What's Missing from Red Dead Redemption?

GTMAM writes - "Red Dead Redemption is easily a strong contender for Game of the Year. There is really nothing wrong with it, other than the bugged multiplayer, to speak of. But there are a few things I noticed that I would have liked to be different in the game."

[matt1991]

CARs

[Sir_Falcon]

When you complete the game you should be able to drive cars over the vast landscape. Its perfect terrain for offroading with gta4s physics.

[Lou-Cipher]

Jetpacks :)

[Dsnyder]

John hates cars. He said they were too slow and unreliable. So it would be out of character for him to drive one.

[WildArmed]

To be able to kill children..

oh wait.. -.-

[Bigpappy]

Have you done it? and why did you? Oh, i'm sorry, it wasn't you who shot the kid, it was John. I got it now.

[JoySticksFTW]

I haven't played RDR yet, and maybe that idea would kill the emotion of the game, but Jackie along for the ride whupping arse would be pretty cool

Maybe next game they could do it. And do co-op with the 2nd player able to use Jackie Chan's move set.

Dumb idea? Who knows, but I'd sure as heck play that!

:)

EDIT: I might get shot watching whatever crazy antics Jackie would come up with next, especially if he drank alcohol and blew fire. Aww yeah!

[BannedForNineYears]

It's missing swimming.......>_>

[Fred-G-Sanford]

I had high hopes for this game, but it ended up boring me to tears.

The GTA series bored me in much the same way, so I guess I'm just not a fan of Rockstar's games.

In fact, I would even go so far as to say that I hate their games. It all just feels so lame and boring, almost the same feeling I get when I go back and play a bad PS1 game.

It's cool that so many people like their games, but I am definitely not one of them.

[Sm0k3y_Bac0n]

Yeah everyone likes different things, but I think if you've ever enjoyed a sandbox game or third person shooter you should try RDR. SP wise, its in my top 5 favourite games.

I had a similar experience with Gran Turismo. I can play it for one hour max before needing to play Burnout.

[GodsHand]

Missing the 'Swing of Death'. I would love to see some horses fly.

[Dramscus]

bugs and glitches

[kneon]

bug and glitches missing? You must not have played it long enough. There is no shortage of bugs and glitches, what's missing is patches :)

[gameslowdown]

sorry mate but your just pointing out the obvious, I could have told you that.

[PrimordialSoupBase]

Here is what should be obvious to people if they actually took a minute to consider what they're playing:

1. The game is incredibly easy, rarely offering an interesting challenge
2. Its economy and ecosystem exist for no reason or applicable purpose
3. Its fame and honour systems exist for no reason or applicable purpose
4. No lasso in multiplayer
5. You can't set up bait within settlements or towns (read: pointless limitations in an 'open world')
6. Though improved over GTA IV, the fail states within the linear missions can be plain retarded (I bump a race spectator, have to restart at a checkpoint)

Stalker shares many of Red Dead's systems and concepts and executes them impeccably. Rockstar once again has produced an average game with fantastic style and character -- unfortunately, the latter now takes precedence for 'gamers'

[Sm0k3y_Bac0n]

I see the reasoning behind your points, but I disagree with some of them.

The game is incredibly easy with auto aim. But if you use expert aim it makes it much more challenging. You could say Bioshock unchallenging on easy, but Survivor without Vita chambers is quite a bit harder. Instead of difficulty levels you have different targetting systems.

I'm glad theres no lasso in MP. It'd just mean noobs would spend 3 hours being dragged around on the back of a horse. It'd ruin free roam.

Why would you need a more complex economy than that of gaining money to buy weapons/properties/horses? I don't see what else could be done with money other than buying things.

Fame/honour is there to give you some recognition of the effects of your actions.

If you want to read into a game that much, then fair enough. I take games as entertainment and RDR entertained me greatly.

[vickers500]

1. Take off auto aim, noob.
2. Just like Smokey Bacon said, what else why would you need a more complex economy system? This isn't WoW, so go back to playing that if you like economy/trade based games so much. I think it's cool that it's even there in the first place, since it adds a bit of freshness to the game.
3. Fame and honor exist for no purpose? You suck at trolling. It's obvious you haven't played the game. Fame and honor make people react to you differently, it gives you certain perks such as discounts, the law will turn a blind eye to you, and a couple of other things I haven't yet discovered.
4. True, that does suck.
5. What other actual good game lets you set up bait to lure in animals to hunt at all? Not very many. They don't want you setting up bait in town because it would be retarted. You're just too lazy to get on your horse and ride out of town for a couple of seconds. This isn't a game like mw2 where everything is done for you and you don't have to barely move.
6. Are you f*cking serious? You must be joking right? You're calling the game linear? If you think this game is linear, then I don't know what game you wouldn't consider linear. You probably delude yourself into thinking games like Uncharted 2, Alan Wake, or Halo aren't linear. For your number 6 reason, that is the very proof that you haven't played this game, or at least haven't spent more than 5 minutes with it.

I know you think you're "cool" when you're bagging on Rockstar just because they are a big dev, but you're not. But hell, I'll humor you for a bit. What games do you consider to be a non-linear, challenging, fame/honor/rankbased level system that exists for a purpose, and that has a better bait system than Red Dead?

I think you're missing the point of this game. This game is a western, and is designed to be like one. This isn't some stupid gta game where you can run around doing whatever the f*ck you want, no matter how ridiculously idiotic it may be.

Red Dead is a fantastic game, whether you like it or not, and no matter how much you hate Rockstar and think you're cool for doing so, nothing about that will change.

[Independent_Charles]

turn that rubbsih auto aim nonsence of for open world or atleat be able to join open world games with it turned off and make the guns deal more damage. 4 shots with the rifles into someone then get 2 shots from a lemat revelover back and im dead <-- stupid and now im just plain bord of it and gone back to gears 2 and alan

[PrimordialSoupBase]

The very first thing I did was remove the auto aim and it's still way too damn easy.

I bring up the bait because it's a missed opportunity to make an applicable and hilarious use of the game's AI system (bringing a bear to a gun fight, etc).

The answer to almost every single one of your other rebuttals is simply GSC's Stalker; one of the very few games that can claim to be truly open ended, and it reaps massive dividends because of it.

And no, Red Dead is not a fantastic game. While not quite as retarded as GTA IV's hyperbolic reception, the general opinion will turn slightly as time goes on and the rose coloured glasses begin to fade to reveal the real and serious problems with Rockstar's rigid design.

[Sm0k3y_Bac0n]

To be honest i found Stalker mediocre at best.

Real and serious problems with R*s design? That design is the reason why R* games have become so popular so they must be doing something right.

Everyone has different tastes in games and the reason you dont like RDR is because you dont like the way games like that are designed.

RDR is a fantastic game. Just look at the amount of people saying its one of the best games they've played. You may not think it's as good as 99% of other people, but you are in a very small minority. A few people saying a game isn't fantastic does not make it an average game when thousands of people think its amazing.

[poopface1]

The ability to have more than 1 horse.

So my good horse can stay for xtra dangerous missions, because I dont want him to die.

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

If you break a horse in the wild it immediately becomes available to buy from any General Store. You could buy all the horses you want.

[bjornbear]

i killed my kentucky saddler by under estimating a cliff hight.

i survived, but he basically broke his legs and died...then when i whistled for one my normal one came back

strangely, its as fast as the saddler so i basically wasted 750 =(

still, i'd love to know...google here i come

[- Ghost of Sparta -]

Bjorn. If you purchased the Kentucky Saddler and it died somehow, simply open up your satchel and consume the horse again.

[aaronisbla]

you might have to buy the deed from the shop first, if its the one you get from one of bonnie's missions ( pearl white horse ) you need the deed first. $750-1500, depending on your honor and where its bought

[poopface1]

And It just died as I was playing a few minuets ago. Weird because I thought it was safe but I guess it died while I burned down the village.

[WildArmed]

As Ghost said, Buy a deed for the horse as soon as u break it.
That way u get a free horse when the current one dies!

[socomnick]

What's missing is Decent rpg elements, a better shooting mechanic and please remove auto toggle aiming from the multiplayer in red dead redemption 2.

Toggle aiming has no place in any multiplayer.

[HighDefinition]

Wow, we agree. The world must be coming to a end.

[bjornbear]

the toggle aiming should be 100% expert no auto-aim all around.

they should bunch up casual servers with normal servers, and isolate expert servers, not the other way around =/

[ChefDejon]

you can level to unlock the hardcore multiplayer modes with no auto aim.

[FragMnTagM]

to unlock the hardcore modes with expert aiming. Is it really that big of a deal?

[villevalorox]

I was thinking last night when I was playing that It would be sweet to have a rodeo.. I mean all they would have to do is use the mechanics from the horse breaking and up it z bit.

[jmare]

Fucking whores and then killing them and stealing their money.

[El_Colombiano]

YES!

[WildArmed]

But the whores are cheap... and dont have that much money ><

Then watch yourself get AiDs and then die randomly in the wild lol

[Red-Dead-Roar]

you can't even fuck them after you've killed them! LAME. /s

[NecrumSlavery]

Graboids from Tremors

[itsralf]

WIN

[Sir_Falcon]

Take me down to the paradise city
Where the grass is green
And the girls are pretty
Take me home (Oh, won't you please take me home)

[swiftshot93]

Aiming should be better. A dot as a reticule isnt great, and you should be able to zoom in since enemies are hard to see. Auto-aim should stay the same when riding on horses though.
I agree the game should pause when selecting weapons, and I also wish the cut scenes were more engaging a la Fallout 3/Mass Effect 2.
But seriously, this is the best open-world game of this generation. Its so awesome.

[kneon]

I enjoyed AC2 and The Saboteur far more than this game. I found RDR too repetitive, too predictable and too buggy. I'm at 90% completion and may not bother finishing, there are just too many better games to play.

[project76dodo]

best open world game so far Fallout 3

[AliTheBrit19]

The only things that come to mind are in multiplayer

I want to get drunk with a friend, and be drunk a lot longer like in GTA IV.

[bjornbear]

with friends...as well as duel as in single player =(

[dizzleK]

quality control and bug testers.

[kissmeimgreek]

ALL singleplayer features in the free roam. I want to play poker and other things with my friends. and i want some actual missions you can do in co op ( besides hideouts and stuff).

[kanetheking]

the cattle mission that be fun u and ur team trying to keep the cow from running off.or outlaw mission why can't we be like outlaws online.i just have a feeling that it be dlc.

[beavis4play]

playing poker in free roam is a GREAT idea!

[scotchio]

I was upset when I found the bars in MP don't serve drinks.

I wanted to get a posse and all get drunk and have a fist fight.

That would be good for a laugh.

[LevDog]

Whats Missing from RDR? Fun

[aaronisbla]

you sure do show up a lot in RDR articles, especially for someone who claimed they hated the game. To each his own though

[Cregan4584]

LevDog, your a moron. game is awesome.

[LevDog]

Your right I am a moron.. I payed 60 bucks for that game..

[kneon]

The game is ok, but far from awesome. It's the buggiest game I've played in ages, that alone should knock off a point or two from the score. But there is much more to complain about as well.

[beavis4play]

i'd like to see some spontaneous saloon shoot-outs.

or maybe some of the outlaws you take down on bounty hunts might have friends/relatives that now will try and take you out when you run into them.

we should have the ability (at some point) to challenge NPCs to duels.

maybe break up the game world into territories and have each one run by a boss and his gang. each boss could have his own special MO and weapons preference. you could have choices to make such as ride with a gang and carry out criminal missions or fight on the side of "law and order" and try to take out the boss (shootout or duel).

[tamd]

this game has given me everything, i enjoy every bit of it , those funny easter eggs like donkey women ,zombies , flying ppl planted by rockstar make this game more awesome . this game is just awesome

[cb4g]

I think the ability to swim would be nice. It would be cool to take a raft down the rapids near Tall Trees. Or, maybe escape a Bounty Hunter by taking a leap of faith off a cliff into the river, Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid style.

Oh, and more fist fights!

[TheNocturnus]

Swimming is definitely missing. Also being able to do stunt moves on your horse and the train like the stunts in Just Cause 2 would be cool. Still waiting to find a Delorian in the wilderness, I know the game takes place in 1911 not 1855, but it would have been a cool easter egg.

[fuzion17c]

online poker, climbing trees, etc...

[project76dodo]

thank you fishing!!

[BubZ-SkullY]

racing was a feature that i too was dissapointed to see wasnt there, racing your horse online with other online people would be fun, you could see people shooting at each others horses.

[Eiffel]

Non Deadly Water.

[KilZoneGeneralStrife]

like CJ's in GTA san andreas.get fat.stay thin.bulk up with muscle.become super skinny.given the fact Niko couldnt change..it might be a limitation of the rage engine.maybe,customisable clothes.like CJ's.individual changes,hat,mask,shirt,pants,s hoes.

[stuntman_mike]

i would have loved it if you met the 3 Amigo's, your wandering randomly thru the Mexican desert and you hear singing in the distance you see 3 men riding towards you and they are singing the 3 Amigos theme tune. that would be hilarious.

"we are the three aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa migo's"

then you get to join them on thier way to El gupo's hideout, seeing the singing bush and the invisible swordsman (and accidently killing him yourself) then unlocking one of thier outfits.

thats what i want lol. and maybe meeting some more famous characters from back then, billy the kid, wild bill, bat masterson, jesse james gang, wyatt earp ect.

[Vorekdor]

They should have do a better story. The missions suck balls, there's not even one that that gets you pumped up, they're just plain and boring and John Marston have to be the lamest gunsliger ever, he kept treathening people in the game but never do shit to them, he's taken for a fool by everyone in the game and he even got killed for being a fool. Shame on you Rockstar this is the shittiest story you have ever written and think the shortest one too. Hell even the original Red Dead Revolver has better story than this. Oh and Jack Marston has to be the whiniest Gunslinger ever voiced.

[YogiBear]

I can see from your post that the story(or lack of one as you said)went completely over your head. Listening to the dialogue in some of the cutscenes shows how much Rockstar believes in character development and backstory. Many parallels can be drawn between John Marston's 1911 setting and our own political turmoil of today. One other difference of opinion I have with you is the comment about Marston being a fool and dying because of it. In the context of that final scene did he have much choice? Would running with his family payoff or would it just be delaying the inevitable? Marston is an amalgamation of many western characters but one thing most of them have in common is that in the heat of the moment, they act. John Marston had a choice of running with his family to survive a little longer or end the discussion once and for all. You say he was foolish. I say, he did what had to be done to save his family.

[Vorekdor]

Are you for sure. Rockstar is known for its mockery of society. And i said he was a fool cause he didn't see it comming, they used him the whole game to hunt down his former allies and he didn't suspect they were going to do the same to him. The feds always talk him down and he like a wuss always cater to their exigencies. If you have played GTA4 or any GTA you know that when somebody fucks with you, your character eventually kills him or teach him a lesson, but in RDR you're character is a wuss and all he do is take shit from everyone.

[YogiBear]

They took his family and they held them ransom. He repeatedly said if there were another way he would have tried it. Yes, all GTA's mock society but this was not GTA. There was not nearly as much satire in this game. Maybe in Marston's past he would have killed everyone who ever said a cross word to him. The word Redemption in the title should clue you into his mindset. He was trying to go legit. He swallowed his pride for his family.

[project76dodo]

i finished the story and side quest but now im so bored. i wish it was more like oblivion / fallout 3. awful game interface as well. i wont trade or sell because im sure rockstar will put out DLC. i just want more stuff to do. like GTA 4 i have tons of money and nothing to buy!!!

[stuntman_mike]

yeah i finished the game and know i dont feel much point carrying it on wish there was some more story missions with jack, and during the game you get given the best weapons so you dont really need to buy them.

hope the DLC adds some more story missions.

[KongRudi]

Most games on PS3, we are aiming with L1 and shooting with R1. - In Red Dead Redemption, they decided that we have to aim with L2, and shoot with R2.

It's infuriating, ruin a otherwise great game with crappy porting of a control-system.
I doub't I will spend more time on it than the three hours I played, until they patch in a alternative shooting-configuration.

[stuntman_mike]

It's quiet sad playing it again as you know John Marston on borrowed time, also I think he's one of the best game characters I've played in a long time.