Why Microsoft could easily win E3, but probably won't due to their focus on putting on a show rather than focusing on games.
Microsoft SHOULD win? They've "won" the past four E3 conferences due to their overplaying of every little thing they show, even though - in my opinion - they haven't truly won for the past two or three years. Microsoft SHOULD win if they actually show off exclusive games, not a Cirque de Solei publicity stunt with Natal and a bunch of exclusive DLC and multiplatform announcements.
You think they have won? With what? I think Sony has won the past few E3's. The FF announcement was big at the time, but not enough to steal the show for me... Especially after seeing the final product.
proclaiming that MS won E3 each year since the xbox 360 launch.
In that they had more pomp than substance, with the industry talking about them long after. But if you think about, that they didn't actually have anything solid, that's why the 360 is losing momentum: MS doesn't even have promises to deliver on. Meanwhile Sony's "underplayed" and often leaked presentations have been delivering.
FF really did it bro...It has nothing to do with how good or bad the game was...doesn't matter if it sold 15m copies the first week, it's the fact that it went Multi-Plat I don't think Sony has won for like 4 or 5 years IMO I actually WANT them to win. I haven't seen to many games that got my interest for PS3 only but I have seen a lot of 360 games I liked and played but only a few PS3 games. Though this is my Opinion of course. =)
aaaaaand you're done talking...
"PS3Center.net" Ugh. PS3center and planetxbox360 need to stick to talking about their own platforms. I do agree, however, that Microsoft is more concerned about flash, and that's not what an informed gamer such as myself is looking for.
Microsoft was declared the winner of these press conferences by the media because members of the media actually had the opportunity to go to the press conferences and get wowed by the ridiculous spectacle that MS puts on. Sony is declared the winner by the masses because we didn't get bamboozled by the showy MS conferences, we just got to see what the announcements were. Since Sony actually announces new exclusive games, while Microsoft just parades celebrities and doodads on stage and announces some DLC or a stolen franchise, to any gamer, the Sony conference comes off as more informative and useful. Truth though, if you ever watch the conferences on video, the Sony conferences can be kind of boring, they really don't have the best strategy for making presentations. I wish they would hire me to run their presentations, with a quarter of the money MS spends on their conferences, I'd give Sony a presentation that would set a new bar for the Big 3's E3 conferences.
I don't think anyone will agree that Microsoft won the horrible, horrible 2008 E3. In a way no one did, but Sony at least announced MAG and GoW3. Last E3 was completely overkill by MS, but then (just like this year) they didn't have a lot of plans pre-E3
did you rehearse of what you just say, can you please tell me what did Microsoft kill Sony with, the beatle band :P
You gotta love that picture of Kaz throwing up Gang Signs.
They opened with a long drawn multi-plat game, The Beatles Rockband. C'MON!
These "articles" are getting pretty ridiculous, Why a [Console] Should (?) "WIN" (?!) E3, but Probably (!!) Won't (?!!!!) WTF? I know they are talking about MS always making "shows" with Celebs and such and now the Cirque de Soleil (Circus of the Sun, but in French Sounds more "WOW") just to "distract" and "impress" with the Show itself, rather than the Games that are Shown in the Conference, but Come on, they should win With Games, not with a Circus, no need an "article" for that...
They would probably win, but all their material is leaked before every conference.
now now come on lets give them a chance they got to have something i mean what are they doing over at Microsoft knitting sweaters LOL
I agree with this, msft just want to shout the loudest and put on a show so the media can all be impressed. Sony are letting their games do the talking, on a roll already with LBP2 and KZ3 and we haven't even had E3 yet. add to that a GT5 blowout and release date, infamous 2, kz3 footage and we are on a winner
Sounds like paranoid speculation that Microsoft will only be focused on Natal. just because they're doing it big with Natal's world premier doesn't mean they will not be focused on games. This is why there are two main events the Natal world premier and the 360 press conference. Looks like PS3center is already trying to establish the damage control talking points ahead of time.
"Looks like PS3center is already trying to establish the damage control talking points ahead of time." You would know, dude. You get on that DC Wagon everytime a pro-PS3 article comes around...
why are people in love with M$ i just don't get it, any other company that had there problems with the red ring of death would have dead. ( 3 xbox later so i want them to fail at everything) so come on a disagree with me it's cool...:-) go sony kick butt
"why are people in love with M$ i just don't get it" Why are people in love with Sony is what i don't get. You guys are way to simple and can stick to that hardware full of empty promises.
empty promises? you mean like the promise of tons of games. seems like they are coming through on that part. feel bad for you who have to wait 6 months or more for something to put in your xbox other than halo, gears or some other disappointment of a game. what empty promises do you get? oh that they'll fix your box WHEN it breaks, lol. come on man.
Why anyone is in love with either company I don't get. They don't give a shit about anybody.
Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. My brother's 360 failed within the first year. Before Gears of War even released. They didn't have a three year warranty then. Now imagine how he felt about buying another console when they said they wouldn't be able to repair it because it was TECHNICALLY Error 71. The next 360 he got red ringed within the first week. Of course there was a gap between the two because he had to save up money for it. This time, he was smart and bought a warranty through Best Buy, thereby allowing him to pick up a third for free. Microsoft had nothing to do with it. Go take your blasphemy elsewhere. I remember the whole thing like it was yesterday. Thankfully, his latest hasn't broken down since, but I'm worried because it's not a Jasper model. Mine is.
6 360's? the first time mine dies to RROD will be the last because it'll be fixed under warranty then sold.
There never has been and there never will be. This "Victory at E3" speculation is simply the ramblings of Fanboys in the Media and on Gaming Sites like this one. Now, what Microsoft can do to have a good SHOWING this year is go all out on the Exclusives and give us substance instead of flash. If they can do that, they could then walk away and say that they've accomplished something at E3.
Personally I don't think of it as winning. I just watch to see who presents more things that interest me. What I look for primarily is games and after that any value that can be added to the machine such as services...the likes of VidZone or Sky Player etc. Last year Sony showed more games that interested me. As for services I don't remember any Sony ones but MS introduced like facebook, twitter and last.fm right? Whilst those are really nice apps they didn't really appeal to me because those things for me are just sooo much easier and much more accessible on my laptop. I'm a Gold subscriber and I have access to Sky Player aswell but I am a Sky subscriber with their HD box so the sky player on the 360 is useless to me (obviously not to everyone, it is great for many people just not me). Only thing MS showed last year that interested me was Alan Wake. Natal didn't bother me much and neither did the 2 very confused looking former Beatles that came on stage. This year though, the possibilities for the likes of Natal and Move both interest me so all I really want are some great game announcements, more info on already announced games that interest me (Killzone 3 and Gears 3 in particular) and whatever MS have in store for LIVE and hopefully some announcements on the Premium PSN whatever it may be.
I was gonna say, when did Microsoft ever win an E3? I remember clearly laughing my ass off when they did the elephant painting using a pillow, another person, all while bending over. LOLzzzz. You foreal though, besides stealing exclusives, what has Microsofts E3 ever brought besides over hyped marketing?
I remember the elephant. That made be cridge. If all the games at e3 at natal are like that then that be a EPIC fail.
lol why Is that the only picture people pick for kaz? On topic: MS has the media on It's side, And we all know "He who controls the media Controls, Controls the casual market of gaming" But let's be honest when has there been a live feed of multiple natal games being played ( And not choreographed)
The media doesn't have as much pull as you guys think.
Many popular media have spoken of the "brilliance" that was Natal, but honestly, do you go to Gamespot, IGN, N4G, Kotaku and CVG for your gaming news and views? Or do you go to the NY Times and Washington Post? Because that decides what kind of gamer you are. Whatever people carry away from the mainstream media would, of course, be thanks to Microsoft's clever marketing, because they know the audience they want for Natal. They want the housewives, the families, the non-gamers and whatnot to be interested in the device. That's what forms essential PR - generating an initial audience that will adapt the device, getting it to appeal to more and more people, and then continuously catering to that now established target audience with more content (the cycle repeating when the word of mouth advertising of your target audience spreads - quite frankly, your neighbours wouldn't listen to you if you said to get Gears of War but would consider your mom and dad's advice to pick up Natal and Ricochet because it's "fun for the whole family). There's no point in criticizing MS on this - it's legit PR tactics that the Wii tried and succeeded in. OT, this article is just a counter argument to Guerrilla Play's article on "Why Microsoft Will Win E3" and brings up the usual points of what MS has shown in comparison to what Sony has. Just a simple reactionary piece. Nothing more.
You are right, MS isn't going for the hardcore gamers that stick to Gamespot, IGN, N4G. MS is going for the casual market who WILL read the NY times and the Washington Post. People on this site don't seem to realize that MS isn't catering to them with Natal.
however im very curious to see what games they have on offer for natal. there may be hope for the non-casuals. lets just all wait patiently till e3 reveals all! i have a feeling it will be the most spectacular e3 in recent memory (hopefully for all the good gaming reasons)
Sony's won the last few E3. Once the PS3 started pumping out games they have been leading at E3. Games are what make the winner here not how big a show you put on. MGS4, UC:DF, LBP, KZ2, Resistance2, Motorstorm 1 & 2, Demons Souls, 3D Dot Game Heros UC2:AT, Heavy Rain, and GOW3 With all the R&C games in the past E3's. Now we have KZ3, LBP2, GT5, The Guardian, Team Ico Remastered Games, Jaffe's game, Move, Socom 4, UC3?, FFvs13, and much more.
Spoken like a true gamer and not someone who is easily distracted by bright lights and noise. :)
The guy's bringing up games that aren't even out and haven't been announced yet. Team Ico remastered games? UC3? Why's he padding the list?
PS3 fanboys say Sony wins E3 not the rest of humanity. Gaming media and most gamers always rate and vote Microsoft as the winner. PS3 fanboys have always and always will say Sony won.
Microsoft fanboys will always say Microsoft won. Its all a matter of opionion.
But in terms of media, ms won. Can you not know the difference
>>But in terms of media, ms won Are playing that media on your console? Or maybe you play all those celebrity guest stars MS brought on stage? No. You play games. Games are all that matter for the gaming show.
and ps3 fanboys will always say ?
I thought games decides what wins E3? if so then Sony clearly won the last couple of E3's for sure, and for me. maybe MS won E3 for the media but NOT for me. Hell, how the hell can MS win E3 for everyone and how exactly is it tallied? I want to know how is the winner decided?
well then it seems ps3 fanboys care about games, odd a console's main objective being about games
"HeMany popular media have spoken of the "brilliance" that was Natal, but honestly, do you go to Gamespot, IGN, N4G, Kotaku and CVG for your gaming news and views? Or do you go to the NY Times and Washington Post?" That's why I stated casual gamers
Not meant as a specific reply to your comment. Just my opinion. :) But I don't think it's just about getting people who play Wii games (or even casual gamers) to pick up Natal. It's more about selling this as the next level of motion controller gaming. Why else would MS market it as a "controller-less experience"? Yes, they'd want to sell this as a progressive step-up from the Wii - something like, "this is the new sh*t!" - but I think that like the Wii, they're main aim is to build a stable audience. One who wants a controller-less experience in their motion gaming. Hence the sensational opening performance of acrobatics for the Natal conference, which I predict will be one of many tactics they'll use to "wow" the mainstream media and it's readers.
great source /sarcasm
No company SHOULD win e3. Anybody who says that their company SHOULD win is a fanboy. The company with the best press conference/games will win. we just have to wait.
MS won an e3 a few years back with a game that wasn't released until earlier THIS year ....strange thing was it was a bit of a dodgy port, thats right..It wasnt even exclusive, lol, i think its got a couple 'Fs' in the title .....lol No amount of 'alleged by western media' wins stopped sony actually giving us Little Big planet, Killzone 2, Uncharted 2 etc so MS can win all they want ...I still want GAMES. Payed celebrities who know jack sh!t about gaming and jedi mind tricks dont work on me 'ONLY GAMES' whoever they're from i might add
Sony should win this year because MS is, in my opinion, getting to far away from wat the console is supposed to be a video game console. adding thing that i dont use and sit there. i bought the thing to play games and thats all ill do with it. Sony on the other hand is making there console into what it should be and video game console showing off games the appeal to the hardcore and casual. MS showed almost all casual stuff last year leaving the hardcore in limbo. If MS comes out and goes casual again and Sony goes hardcore, Sony will win because they are focusing on games and not features to there respected consoles
Yet some of you guys are to blind to see...come one show me how they won anything
No 360 fannypack will tell you why they think MS won anything at all, There arguements are silent and we are suppose to just trust and belief in there fantastic knowledge. We are suppose to have faith in them, watch all of the disagrees from anyone who asks "why do you think MS won anything at all?" Though the Industry needs the XBOX, It helps keep Sony on there toes. But I ask any 360 Fan why they think MS won E3's and why they prefer the 360 over the PS3 or even the Wii? I know what some will say, because there friends are on the 360, I say get Facebook and be done with it, also this tells me your friends don't have PS3's either? My friend on World of Warcraft asked me on Facebook why I haven't been on wow lately? I told her that while being addicted to one good thing means your missing out on other good things. Seeking new friends is a easy proccess.
soo i need a ps3 to seek new friends ? and btw i have facebook on my ps3 don't you
I just want kick ass games and don't really care what system they are on as long as they are good/great games. Don't care if they are exclusive, 1st party, 2nd party or 3rd party as long as they are what I am looking for in a game. just show me the damn games without all the hoopla and I am a happy camper.
Dude as long as sony announce the following titles: GT5 LBP2 Agent KZ3 Infamous 2 Demons Souls 2 The Last Guardian Motor Storm 3 Resistance 3 They will win E3 by a land slide. The fact that all the games mentioned above are exclusives makes the ps3 way more attractive. Also don't forget the rumored unannounced exclusives. And that is without the MOVE. Look! technically speaking the 360 never had a chance.
What i said below files directly to you. 360 never had a chance, OH my i cant believe you said that ;)
Who gives a sh!t. "Winning" press conferences is irrelevant, making good games is.
except one of those is MS's focus, the other is Sony's.
Feel free to go troll somewhere else.
I suppose you think E3 is a show for fanboys...wrong. E3 is an event where companies and developers get together to show their investors and other people in the industry why they should be interested in their work. Gamers are a large part of the audience but there are also prospective buyers, consumers, investors, and analysts. "Winning" is very much relevant.
and we go through this every year. First of all, most sony fans on this site are not open minded so its useless trying to convince even at the slightest becuase their too hard headed. 2nd, some of you are automatically assuming ms is shifting towards the casual crowd and not hardcore... give me a break. That is a strong assumption, at least wait till e3 to make that assumption. Is that not fair... 3rd, what makes you sooooo sure that ms wont focus equally on casual and hardcore??? you really think ms will drop the ball on currnet 40 million customers??? This is a business deal and their goal is to attract the casual crowd and i strongly beleive natal will do its job. Maybe not at the lvl of wii but nontheless. In my opinion, ms has won the last 3 years of their e3 conference and most of the media agreed... but this year, i think sony will steal the show unless ms has something up their sleeves. This site will be alot better if most people on this site are open minded from both parties. Can you imagine what kind of conversation us video game geeks can have on this site if both parties were open minded???
MS won with media. Sony won with games. As long as I'm a gamer, I go with games, not with media.
a games conference means exactly that,why do everyone think gamers want something other than that when seeing them,i don't get it.
Did MS ever 'win' E3? Did releasing the 360 one year early after supporting the XboX for only 4 years 'win' E3? Do people think that the FF multiplat thing made MS 'win' one? Was Yoko Ono the reason they 'won' last year? What do these companies 'win' from E3?
I agree ROPER316
On the "winning" E3 concept...fanboys think their favorite brand wins. These E3 presentations are just preaching to the choirs.
article is stupid. I think sony showed KZ3 early so when they show off the game at e3 (you know they will) they don't have to spend 5 mins explaining about it. One thing writer didn't mention unless I missed it was natal has its own SHOW. it has nothing to do with the regular one. its actually could be one of the best e3 because i really have no idea whats gonna happen
Damn.... Everyone here is just expecting MS to fail this E3.. lol. Hopefully MS does step up their game and announce some real exclusives and non of that time-exclusive DLC and game bullcrap.
Yes because Microsoft always wins with flips and tricks, Avatars with down syndrome, classic 70's bands that new age gamers dont even give 2 shits about, and a movie director that needs to retire. Excuse Sony and Nintendo for actually showing games and tech at a electronics expo. But of course, i came to see a big circus show rather than games so im sure MS will nab it hands down ;) Anyways! The company thats still trying to push its dvd player wont win because well....Sony is there. You the company that can afford to bring the wringly bros but choose to bring games instead.