At Sony's E307 presser, Jack Tretton stood on stage, announced Epic's Unreal Tournament III as a PS3 exclusive and said that Sony was working closely with Epic to "adjust" the Unreal Engine for the PS3 so that it reaches the "best of its potential."
things will get ugly. really fast.
Silicon Knights' Allegations, Desired Results?
The final part of the lawsuit describes the specific charges Silicon Knight is making, including Fraud/Fraudulent Inducement, Negligent Misrepresentation, Intentional Interference with Contractual Relations, Intentional Interference With Prospective Economic Advantage, Breach of Warranty, offences under the North Carolina Unfair and Deceptive Trade Practices Act, Common Law Unfair Competition, Unjust Enrichment, Rescission or Reformation of Alleged Contract, and Breach of Contract, as well as Declaratory Relief.
It then asks for the following to be ruled: "(1) the Agreement between Epic and Silicon Knights for a license to the Engine is null and void; (2) Silicon Knights owes no obligations to Epic under any purported agreement by Silicon Knights to license the Engine; (3)
Silicon Knights is not required to use the Engine in developing any current or future games; (4) Silicon Knights may alter the Engine without restriction; (5) Silicon Knights is under no obligation to disclose or share any alterations Silicon Knights makes or causes to be made to the Engine with anyone, including Epic."
It continues: "(6) Silicon Knights owes no monetary or other obligations to Epic and/or any of its business partners associated with the agreement to license the Engine; (7) the game engine developed by Silicon Knights is totally independent of the Unreal Engine 3 and therefore is the sole property of Silicon Knights, or, alternatively, the game engine developed by Silicon Knights constitutes an “Enhancement” under the terms of the Agreement, and therefore is the sole property of Silicon Knights under the terms of that Agreement; and (8) Silicon Knights owes no obligations, financial or otherwise, to Epic in connection with and/or related to the Silicon Knights Engine."
The document then asks that "The Court award damages to Silicon Knights in an amount proved at trial for the damages as set forth above", and that "Epic be required to disgorge all profits obtained on its Gears of War game as a result of the misconduct set forth above."
Microsoft, Silicon Knights' Reactions
Silicon Knights' Denis Dyack, when reached for comment by industry site GameDaily BIZ, noted: "We stand behind everything in our complaint and believe it is highly unfortunate that Epic forced us into this situation. We would rather spend our time focusing on making great games, but as stated in our complaint, Epic simply refuses to acknowledge the inadequacies of the Unreal Engine 3 code it provides to its licensees, and refuses to accept the fact that its code has caused serious damage not only to Silicon Knights, but a number of other developers in the industry. We look forward to successful resolution of our claims in this court proceeding."
A statement subsequently released to Gamasutra by Silicon Knights added: "Denis Dyack, President and Founder of Silicon Knights, explained, “Our strong preference is to focus on making games, not be in court. Unfortunately though, as explained in our lawsuit, we have had extensive problems with the Unreal Engine 3 that Epic has been unwilling or unable to rectify. For more than a year, we have been trying to reach an agreement with Epic to resolve these issues without resorting to litigation, but were unable to come to reasonable terms with Epic. Regrettably, we are now forced to go to court in order to achieve satisfaction. We remain hopeful, however, that we can reach a reasonable business resolution with Epic at some point.”"
Gamasutra also received an official statement from Microsoft regarding the lawsuit, which occurs between two of the major developers that are currently publishing games via the firm. However, it simply states: "Microsoft is not involved in or a party to this litigation, therefore has no comment."]
This is nearly unfathomable. WTH Epic!?!?!
Imo, I think Epic don't want to be outdone by other developers with their own engine.
but after the substantial evidence and extensive list of games utilizing Unreal Engine 3 that have been delayed numerous times, I can't help but agree that something is definitely going on with Epic. The fact that Sony had to send its top engineers to Epic Games in order to fix the PS3 version of Unreal Engine 3 shows that either (a) Epic intentionally kept its licensees in the dark or (b) said company was simply too small to assist the dozens of publishers/developers utilizing the engine.
The issue most likely stems from another issue-> Unreal Engine was originally designed on PC architecture, and trying to squeeze x86 code onto Cell's SPU architecture was probably not the best idea. Numerous PS3 developers have stated that they built their engines from scratch because porting any sort of code from either PCs or Xbox 360 just wasn't working.
When you first look at it, everyone including you, me and Industry loves Epic, they made great games and Silicon Knights only showed a couple of videos of a game delayed from PS era, you think SK is just lazy. But after reading the detailed claims and a number of UE3 based game delays that don't seem coincidental, maybe there is more to it.
That UT3 will be out for PS3 in November, and it's gonna rock. I don't know what these lawsuits have anything to do with the game.
Well the reason why UT3 is right on schedule is because Sony is working close with Epic for the game. As for Silicon Knights, Epic screwed them by not supporting them to optimize the UE3 to run smoothly, thus the lawsuit.
Hopefully this won't effect the games currently in production by Epic, and other companies using UE3.
As Kotaku points out, a lot have been delayed
it's safe to say it already has.
Hmm Silicon Knights is making a game for PS3, its not Too Human obviously still interesting but not surprising I guess
 I didn't know they had a contract with Sega
If you are going to take these companies money to license your engine. You should stick up to your end of the bargain and give these companies your support.
Or do you just want your games to look the best?
To ruin your reputation in the games industry like Epic is doing so quickly. They knew they were going to license this engine to damn near every major developer out there n' make many millions from doing so, just as they have in the past. I guess they figured they could get lazy n' do a half ass job n' still rake in the money, which up this point, is exactly what they've been doing. This is ridiculous on Epic's part. The lawsuits have nothing to do with Epics OWN UT3 because Epic has all the resources (they built the damn thing) and Sony backing them. So UT3 will be more than just on point. As for SK n' all the other games that utilize Epic's new engine, they're not getting any support from Epic, just a half baked, broken, and late pos as stated in the title. That's where the lawsuits come into play.
Normally EPIC's unreal engines receives nothing but praise, but this last one is catching them some pretty heavy flak from SK.
that the engine is good, but without support to understand the damn thing, its just a piece of s**t :)
I don't think is EPIC's fault.... EPIC are always proud of their engine and there is no reason why they would purposely screw their bread and butter... As mentioned previously just like any other developer; EPIC is new to the cell architecture and they probably though they could get it done... but it did not work the way they expected... pretty much like many of those developers working on the PS3 trying to make games using the same knowledge they had with previous consoles and PC... It's obvious that to make a game for the PS3 developers have to start from scratch and forget what they already know from previous generations, PC or Xbox 360.
The sad fact is that this will only delay and possibly affect the quality of many games in comparison to the Xbox 360. Unreal Engine is know to be one of the 2 best game engines out there.... and if you don't believe me... take Gears of war as an example.
I hope they fix this problem soon... WE already started seing games on the PS3 getting delayed and being released after the Xbox 360 version due to this problem....
That's all I am gonna say.
The PS3 development is not. Epic and Sony are working on the Unreal 3 engine. People have said it's already running and looks great on PS3. So this isn't what XBOX 360 fanboys wanna think. This just comes down to how much money Epic will owe Silicon Knights if they loose in court.
People who turn this into a PS3-is-hard-to-develop-for-pro blem really don't have a clue, it may be that the PS3 is harder to develop for because of the new architecture, but that's totaly irrelevant to the Kotaku article. Read the Kotaku article.
The game Unreal Tournament III is running beautifully on the PS3 (ofc after Sony helped out with the code).
The problem that Epic, allegedly has, has to do with the Unreal Engine 3 on all platforms. Again, read the article before starting fanboy flame wars.
What I do not understand is why would epic delay or not deliver the proper tools the SK or the others. This all sounds fishy. They should understand the lo$$e$ due to delays. Some one had to know what is going on. It also seems like $K tried to be cool about it for a while too. This is F’ed up on EPIC's part.
I believe all 3 are to blamel. Sk shud have asked support frm both epic and sony and both sony and epic shud hv supportd sk and not be so selfish. Damn difficult 2 write from cellphone as my 7950 gx2 burnd out.
This kind of thing is not good for gaming, it just means many of the games poeple are waiting for just may get delayed longer do to legal issues. This is bad for 360, PC and PS3 owners who are waiting for games made with UT3, but on the flipside it's also a great thing for other devs to sell thier engine.
If your going to sell your engine to other devs and then holding somthing back, than this is what they get. I'm not taking sides here, I'm just looking at the facts in front of me. I like Epic always have although I'm more of a fan of ids stuff but I hope this don't hurt Epic to much.
what are the odds that too human will be delayed till mid 2008.
Well i can only say that if Sony helps Epic with this problem and all. Epic will return the favor by crating GOW 1 and 2 for PS3 (along with the xbox version of course)
That would be impossible... Gears 1 and 2 are under contract to be published by MS.. So they will never be published by anyone but MS. But if there is a Gears 3 (and MS lets it get away) then thats possible.. but NOT 1 and 2.
Your one of those fanboys who think GOW is comming the PS3 even though Epic keeps telling you NO! You realy need to stop useing drugs or start using them, becaese somthing realy is a miss with you. 5 cans shy of a six pack.
Interesting... I think its fair to assume that a company of only 70+ employees could NEVER handle the amount of tech support calls they would have coming in. Just about every developer on earth has paid for the Epic Engine and so along with all that support... Epic are developing a number of games on their own.
This will be a fun one to watch..... I respect both SK and Epic, but if Epic did not deliver.. they should pay.
if the engine isn't ready for ps3 epic should not be selling it yet.
does anybody know the unreal engine 3 games that are out already ??
1.gears of war.(360)
2.rainbow 6 vegas.(360/ps3)
are there any more ?
Wait why would Sony be supporting SK? This has to do with Too Human, and it does make sense because the game has been changing visually for awhile now.
I don't know who to believe Epic or SK, this could be something like Epic wasn't trying to be an ass about it but as others have said they just didn't/don't have the logistical resources to support all those companies.
Also why are people bring UT3 into this?
dont know if Sony supports SK but they are developing a game for PS3 as well, I think under Sega. As for UT3, it seems the PS3 version demoed to the press is doing well, while SK says it doesn't have a working PS3 code of the engine(similar to Gears).
Wow, I didnt know Bioshock was using UE3. If thats the case then I think the engine couldnt be that broken. The game looks and play stunning IMO.
But it has good point on delays, speically Mass Effect, Bioshock and Stranglehold.
there are risks to obtaining middle-ware except of course saving money.
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