According to a statement from Epic's Mark Rein sent to leading news outlets including Gamasutra, the Unreal Engine 3 creator is the subject of a lawsuit from licensee Silicon Knights, presumably regarding UE3-utilizing Xbox 360 title Too Human.
What the hell? Screw Silicon Knights, sad Too Human looked promising now they are going to have to switch Engines. Fycked this is.
@_insane_cobra, thats probably the case. sorry for my cr*p reaction, the news was totally unexpected. I was biased towards Epic, lets wait for the details to come out.
 Looks like Epic has not been keeping its end of the deal and that its confirmed Silicon Knights is making their own engine for Too Human.
@ktchong, I already read it and said sorry for my cr*p reaction.
Why would they? They're covered by the contract. In fact, they're probably suing exactly because they believe Epic hasn't been adhering to their contractual obligations.
Im doing a class action lawsuit on epic myself.
They are just to awesome to exist.
Epic broke their contract and failed to live up to their contractual obligations.
STFU SONY FANBOY.
What? you can't deal with the fact that Too Human is going to suck @ss??
MAN you're up for a treat when that piece of sh*t PS3 wannabe game gets released.. 6.0 maximun for that crappy game.
PS: IF (and that's a BIG IF) it gets released
this definetly explains the delay and while i honestly don't think this game will be that good but i will remain open minded till i get my hands on it or at least see something more promising. I do think it will get a 7. rating at least
STFU MS FANBOY.
Now, let's look at that statement...what does it do? What does it bring to this site, this article, these people?
You really are a complete ass, aren't you?
I challenge you to state what exactly Darth did to deserve that comment. What did he do IN THIS THREAD?
I never said Too Human sucked or anything, read again I said it was promising. It seems Silicon Knights is saying UE 3 support is inadequate(I am guessing sorry it could be anything), I find it hard that Epic would allow Silicon Knights to continue to use UE 3 unless they reach an amicable settlement. It seems that wont be the case.
or be called a fanboy, lose bubbles or told to STFU, sheesh. nothing wrong with his statement.
Changing the engine seems the most likely outcome, more delays yes but if the games story and content were good the engine shouldn't kill the game as a whole thats even if the new engine is worse that the ut3 engine.
LOL. WoW this many replies for what?. LOL...
Because you cried, and it was funny.
Now i see why this game was not at E3. Oh well, hope they sort this out though.
not enough detail in that article to actually know whats going on.....hope they get it worked out in a timely manner
Well well, this games had more ups and downs than than Duke Nukem Forever!!!, well maybe not that bad but......A good move by Epic to mention this straight away, sadly the rumour mill will still grind out some whacked out theories on this!! Take everything with a pinch of salt until it hits the courthouse.
@POG ^^^^.....Easy tiger, take that happy pill and wipe away the tears. Seriously! its nothing to cry about is it? Sheesh, must be time of the month?
"that time of the month" for POG
No one wants to hear his fanboy understanding of what happend its not crying its the straight to the point "no one wants to hears his opinion of something its seems he did not even read". Stop stalking me man you've been doing this for a couple of weeks just itching to call me out, pathetic!. Move on man. Stop with your malice driven spite post and get your head checked lol.
What is this the movie fatal attraction?(do you have issues?) I mean look at you post #2.7 you have issues a response is fine a grudge is Ludacris move! Bi**h.
"Stop stalking me man you've been doing this for a couple of weeks just itching to call me out"
Don`t flatter yourself.
"you have issues a response is fine a grudge is Ludacris move! Bi**h."
Do they teach English in the US?
"Stop with your malice driven spite post and get your head checked lol."
My psychiatrist said my head was fine last time i stalked him! MMUUAAHHAAHHAA.
POG, no ones stalking you, lighten up a little huh? don`t get worked over over such trivial things! they`re only videogames, nothing more nothing less. If you are are going to moan at PS3 girls for posting crap then can you not expect the favour returned? If someone has an opinion that differs from yours, doesn`t mean theyre a fangirl from the opposite side which you seem to remark at every opportunity. People on here disagree with you or call you out because you bite back, you take it too personally and are easy prey. Alls good in the world, try for yourself.
Say it ain't so... :(
I wonder what's going on. Too Human looks promising, especially given Silicon Knights' record for excellence. Hopefully they get this sorted out quickly so the game can get finished.
i wondered why the trailer i dl'd of xbl looked like a sh!t sandwhich. SK are finding out that they dont have the skills to make the engine work. None of the other unreal 3 engine games seem to be having trouble. Blacksite is a 3rd party title using the engine and it looks and plays fine. wtf is up. I am gonna sue you cause I cant RTFM.
Coded Arms: Assault and Fatal Inertia.
Its always nice these articles always allow me to see the class of PS3 owners.
But I am def saying wtf as well, annnnd if i had to choose between Gears or Too Human well.... Too Human we hardly knew theee.
I am betting a red ringed console MS is going to step in.
I was thinking about MS getting involved, but i don`t think they need the hassle to be honest, also depends on what the spat is to begin with. Ill say SK are not happy with the support Epic are giving them, thus breaking some form of contractual obligation.
Don't assume that you know whats going on, and this doesn't mean that SK can't use Epic's game engine since usually when you use a company's game engine you pay for the license up front. This could just be a situation where SK wasn't happy with Epic's UE support with their game, so they might want a certain % of their license fee back or a new arrangement etc. lets wait for details before we assume we know whats going on, including me.
"This could just be a situation where SK wasn't happy with Epic's UE support"
For the record im in no way affiliated with Mr Pheonix!!
Strange, very strange! You two might possibly be long lost twins!
Hey whats up Antan, damm one day I'm going to actually have to make some time so I can play a game or two online with ya, sadly I work too damm much lately, summer is always busy, good thing I have an office with a computer so I can check N4G all day and see whats going on. -oh, I guess I should be working. Later bro.
Hey fella, yeah, though ive been mental all year to be honest, Jericho took alot of my time and numerous DS projects, but ive been hammering Forza2 for a while late at night! upto 400ish in Time Trials now, still playing on pad, so the wheels still gathering a bit of dust 8(.
Who knows when this game is going to come out now!.
I burned my copy of MGS: The Twin Snakes. The dumbass producer was on the IGN boards hyping the game and saying how cool it would be with many features that he said will be included in the final build but nevertheless we were decieved by a game that could've been.....
Check IGN's Too Human board, I bet that dumbass producer will be filling your head with hype and lies.
First it was going to be a 5 discs based PS title, then development was stopped because it was going to be a Gamecube game after Nintendo partnered with Silicon Knights. After the partneship broke Silicon Knights went to Microsoft with the game and making it a Xbox 360 title.
And now I hear this? Is this game going to be a Duke Nukem Forever. I won't be surprised if this game goes to the iConsole (Apple) next gen. So far it has been on a new console every gen.
It's actually pretty sad, it could be a nice game. But who knows.
Thank you for disagreeing with me and taking my bubble you coward piece of sh!t, I'm only stating facts moron. Look it up at Wikipedia if you want. At least be a man comment back. I tell ya this site is filled with fuucktards.
Well that's unfortunate :( I like SK and I like Epic and for both of them to be fighting is never good. Specially because I was intrested in Too Human. With the update from the link it seems that SK believes that Epic did not do anything to help plus was late on the code and was too busy promoting their own games to give any support to SK. Seeing that Epic is fighting the battle only means that neither SK nor Epic feel they are in the wrong.... and SK goes on to say they even are trying to make there own engine so if this suit gets worse Too Human is going to take a really long time to come out :(
This is indeed one sticky situation. I guess I can dash my hopes of getting Too Human early 2008.
Reading the allegations, its seems too far fecthing for me. But some of these things stated are realy a bad pill for epic to take. Lets see what Epic cookes up.
all the other UE3 games look/perform great. A lot of the lawsuit involves Silicon Knights complaining about how they couldn't figure out how to use to engine, which makes me wonder if they simply have bad programmers. Even on their own engine, Too Human doesn't perform/look very impressive. I know people are going to bring up how great Twin Snakes was, but that was a long time and might've had a different team of programmers.
I dont know if the trailers and screenshots we were seeing recently are from UE 3 or Silicon Knights' own engine but they looked good some even great
Too Human looks better than most of the ports on the PS3 in it's current form, now thats freaking sad DJ.
I dunno dude. My Xbox is doing alright, and my PS2's still just as good as the day I bought it (damn, 6 years flew by quick). It's curious to note that you only wanted to compare an Xbox 360 exclusive to PS3 ports, rather than PS3 exclusives. Are you implying that 360 exclusives aren't as impressive as the PS3 lineup?
I think they do got a point deadlines are important. So epic better deliver their engines for the ps3 and x box 360 on time.
yeah if what Silicon Knights says is true and other licensees feel same, then this is indeed going to become bad for Epic, but right now details are still sketchy
Maybe before people make comments they should read the article. This does explain some things, as in why TH like like crap at E3 '06, and why it's been delayed so much thus far. Or SN could lose, but what is said in that transcript sounds pretty solid; I guess we'll see.
Sony fangirls afraid of too Human, man what game don't you guys fear =)?
Well this explains why the game has been delayed and why it was in such bad shape at last year's E3.
Moore quits/is fired
Entertainment division loses 1.89 BILLION more dollars
Gears of War goes to Mac
PS3 gets tons of new exclusives, none for Xbox 360
Jeff Bell message board mania
Xbox 360 exclusives lost (Vampire Rain)
Insider trading by Bach
TERRIBLE E3, multiplat games shown and put into focus
Loss of 1 BILLION on repairs
RROD goes public, ruins image of 360
And now lawsuits between 2 MS game makers, Epic makes other games though.
Too Human has gone from Sony->Nintendo->MS.
I think we can assume this is it, it either goes back to Sony next gen or its lost forever.
Goodbye 360, you sweet sinking ship
The 'xbots' thing is getting really old. Second of all, Epic and SK, make games for the PS3 and 360.
If you would have read the article, SK stated that Epic was late with their engine updating on the kits, for the 360 and PS3, not just the 360.
Seriously, I think we all can read here, so there really is no reason to re-post, or summarize, what others have already read over the past couple weeks. Ex. 'RROD goes public, ruins image of 360'
Yeah, I think we already know that, but I think most 360 users aren't bothered by it, so stop bringing up things that have already been brought up.
The fact that you have 5 bubbles is a complete travesty.
Cheerleaders need to stop the circle jerk of bubbles.
You have 5 bubbles, but your every post is filled with obvious hate.
I know I say biased stuff a lot. But I try not to be a complete d1ck. I definatley say postive stuff about the PS3 a lot. But people like you, it's nothing but constant, uncut pure 100% hate. No baking soda added.
Sooooo...Why does Mass Effect look so damn good?!SK stop blaming others for your F'ups!
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