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Submitted by -Mezzo- 2015d ago | opinion piece

To Natal or Not to Natal in October for $150?

PC World: Microsoft's Xbox 360 motion-control upgrade, Project Natal, will ship this October for a surprisingly steep $150. That's if you believe Edge, which claims a "trusted source" offered the tip that spawned the story that launched another speculative media pile-on. (Project Natal, Xbox 360)

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PaPa-Slam  +   2015d ago
Certainly not too.
- Ghost of Sparta -  +   2015d ago
Absolutely, 100% not.
LoVeRSaMa  +   2014d ago
..that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles And, by opposing, end them.

FanboysWillHateMe  +   2014d ago
At $150, I'll consider it.
I liked what I saw in this video, which is a year ago. Hopefully they'll have improved on it even more for this year's E3.

Anyone who expected this to be the price of a game is very naive.

All you cowards disagreeing, why don't you just go away and focus on your Move articles? Stop stressing about Natal and worry about something that actually matters to you.
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shoddy  +   2014d ago
well you guys haven't even seen the huge list of Natal titles yet.
so big they don't even have room to show you all the Natal games.
when you do $150 will seem cheap.
- Ghost of Sparta -  +   2014d ago
@ shoddy: So big they keep showing the same game. Quit trying to justify the $150 price tag with pathetic excuses.
beardpapa  +   2014d ago
$150 will seem cheap? It's not like they're packing all those announced games with the camera for free, probably like 2-4. You still gotta buy the rest of that 'huge' list. That is... if you want to buy the rest of that.
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HammockGames  +   2014d ago
Not until they show me the games to justify it
Natal could be cool, but I need to see some high quality games with some substance to them before I open my wallet. Especially at that price tag.

Same goes for Sony and Move (although I believe Move is to be substantially cheaper, no?).

If I hear the term "waggle" associated with either of them, well, you can count me the F out.
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SixZeroFour  +   2015d ago
i wouldve THOUGHT about buying it just for family and having fun if it was half this price...but definitely sure im not getting this if this is the price
MiamiACR  +   2015d ago
If I have the money and reviews are good and it performs up to a somewhat high standard as far as this technology goes then I don't see why not.

@Dissagree's: I'm sorry was I supposed to say I will absolutely under no circumstances will NOT be buying this product? Of course not I'm not a tool (Like most mainly on this site) we will all have to wait and see if the final product lives up to at least some of the hype, and as we all know natal will....oh wait that's right we pretty much don't know anything about it when it comes to games.
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Briefcase Joe  +   2014d ago
Are you stupid? They disagree with this:
"If I have the money and reviews are good and it performs up to a somewhat high standard as far as this technology goes then I don't see why not."

Meaning they won't spend the money, even if the reviews are good.

Why do so many people on this site edit their comments to say they got disagrees? I see that you have disagrees. I don't need you to tell me.
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Anon1974  +   2014d ago
But sometimes you have to wonder what people are disagreeing about.
I do that to sometimes. I'll bring up a valid point or some fact and within a heartbeat someone will have disagreed while I have no idea what there was to disagree with. It's frustrating. If someone is going to take a second to disagree with you, you'd think they'd say why. It's like the equivalent of going to a townhall debate and shouting "I disagree" from the back and then leaving. If no one has a clue why you disagree, what purpose did you serve by shouting that out? No one is going to care.

Now, as for MiamiACR's comment, I disagree, although I'll tell you why before I simply jam the disagree button. For me, even if Natal gets decent reviews, performs up to snuff and I have the money I have plenty of reasons why I won't be buying one. The main one is I don't plan on jumping around my living room like a hyperactive tot in order to play my games. Navigating the Dashboard worked just fine with a button press, I don't need to wave my hands in the air. I've watched tonnes of videos on Natal and not one thing I've seen would I consider "fun". Mostly I simply watch the videos and read the news regarding Natal at this point because I'm somewhat mystified by what the appeal of this camera is, or who would purchase this product especially for $150.

Those are all reasons I would have for disagreeing with that statement, although I would hope that others would actually step up and explain why they disagree rather then simply pressing the disagree button.
iceman06  +   2014d ago
I will first say that I agree with your reasons for disagreeing. I will also say that the new comment structure kind of limits the length of a debate at this point. Not to say that this didn't happen BEFORE the new N4G changes. Just saying that, at this point, 3 comments does not a debate make. +Bubs for the comment...since we all need them...and because I often wonder about what was disagreeable in my comments as well. (though most often I think it's just a troll with a disagree fetish!*L*)
iamtehpwn  +   2014d ago
I will Natal
...when they cut the price. $150 is madness. The device is most certainly intriguing...but The Move is more in my budget.
vhero  +   2014d ago
MS never cut the price on accessories. Unless a better upgraded version comes out and there probably won't be one for NATAL so don't hold out on a price reduction.
Absolut_Turkey  +   2014d ago
Would I spend $150 to flail around like a monkey on PCP just so I can play shovelware? The fact that this question is even being asked is really sad. The PS3 Slim is only $50 more and offers a gaming experience Natal will NEVER be able to.
hakis86  +   2014d ago
For that Price Natal better be amazing!!!:-S
Isn't the Move rumored to cost 60USD or something? That is a kit with the PSeye and 2 wands?
Move - better price, playability and accuracy?

Who will win..
benandlol  +   2014d ago
Oh noes!
Teh fanboys are disagree with your text. But to be honest. I already have a playstation eye, so it will be about the same cost as a game to me?
Skynetone  +   2014d ago
150 sounds about right,
id pay 500 with a big f++king smile on my face

we love you microshaft
sid4gamerfreak  +   2014d ago
hmmm thats a hard question........

Syronicus  +   2014d ago
No way in he11
Plain and simple
Inside_out  +   2014d ago
...Relevant Natal...
Natal in competition with itself...Move is a Wii with HD...

Related video
-Mezzo-  +   2015d ago
I'd be happy to MOVE for 100$ or less rather than Nataling for 150 Bucks.

GAM3R7l  +   2015d ago
I hope....'re only planning on playing by yourself then. That "$100" price that's rumored for Move, doesn't cover additional controllers. Natal works for UP TO 4 PEOPLE, right out of the box. :)
ShepardVasNormandy  +   2014d ago
I hope the Xbox camera has a large enough viewing angle to fit those 4 people all on screen and in the living room jumping and moving around at once. Truth is you don't know what exactly "Natal" is capable of game to game as things are constantly changing. Not to mention not knowing how this motion control will be implemented into "hardcore" games like Sony and Socom 4.
trounbyfire  +   2014d ago
MOVE $100 ***"BUNDLE"*** meaning you get more then one thing
included is the PS eye that he forgot about which is like $30 to $40 and a game that will be around $40 to $50 and the MOve controller and nav. all for $100 that a great deal so everyone that all its a $100, you get it all. also they will have like seven different bundles so if you already have the Ps eye you can just buy the move. the price of move is actually pretty cheap like $30
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GAM3R7l  +   2014d ago
@ trounbyfire
Son, you fail on SO many levels, it's sad ; ESPECIALLY at reading comprehension. :(
beardpapa  +   2014d ago
People seem to forget that even if the move is cheaper, they're not forcing consumers to get extra wands. Remember what you guys always said? Choice? Options?
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tatotiburon  +   2015d ago
if the only natal game this holidays is that dodgeball game i will give it a pass
C0MPUT3R  +   2015d ago
$150 to hit a virtual red ball?
showtimefolks  +   2015d ago
too expensive ps3 and xbox360
look wii has had its success if either MS or sony are trying to charge in the range of $100 dont count on it selling millions in its first year

both these motion controls need to be $70-80 than a lot of hardcore gamers will even jump in

whoever launches first will get bigger sales in the long run ps move more wii crowd will jump on since a lot of its early launch casual games will be like wii and its in HD so many casual fans will go bluray-hd and its sold

Megaton  +   2015d ago
I dunno. Microsoft has built a gaming empire on overpriced items, but $150 for a cam? That's steep, even for them.
Calm Down Sunshine  +   2015d ago
"But other details are new, like that the motion-sensing camera will also be shoehorned with the Xbox 360 Arcade console for $300. That's $100 more than the cost of the Arcade currently, but $50 less than the camera could sell for alone."

$50 less than the camera could sell for alone...

But then you add on the required hard drive and you're near enough back where you started.
spektical  +   2015d ago
150 for a marginal improved eyetoy?? no thanks. I'd rather buy the lame Move controllers.
TunaCanoe  +   2015d ago
GuruStarr78  +   2015d ago
no way......I think Sony and MS should have just left the motion stuff to Nintendo....Wii was a "fad"....granted, I have one and I love the Nintendo published games, but most everything else is shovelware.....I think the main selling point for wii was the low price and accessibility for the extremely "casual" gamer, i.e.: grandma and grandpa.....

Sony and MS want the hardcore to buy this garbage? I just want to sit on my couch and play some good games.....MS wants me to get off it and move my living room table, and furniture around to hit a red ball?.......sorry, MS and Sony.......the Wii already ran its "gimmick" guys, expecting to make a ton off a rehashed idea, not gonna happen....
Megaton  +   2014d ago
That's pretty much where I'm at with all of this. If I wanted Natal, I would have bought one of Sony's cams sometime over the past several years. If I wanted Move, I would have bought a Wii. Gimme a standard controller and a couch, thanks.

I think they're seriously misjudging their fanbases, and it will likely bite both of them in their asses. The extent of the damage from said bite remains to be seen.
niceguywii60  +   2014d ago
They're ignoring their own expense their goal is to smear and bash Natal not to use logic or be credible. You can feel the paranoid tone in their bashing.

I think the PS Move Navigation-controller/sub-cont roller will be available for purchased separately along with the PS Move motion stick. Plus you have to do this for each person playing in Multi player.

So the Move starter kit will be under $100 so expect $99.99

Here is very kind speculation in Sony's favor.

Suppose you started off by purchasing the PlayStation Move + Eye bundle—the one that Sony says will be priced at less than $100. This is a fair entry point to the experience, seeing as not many PS3 owners have the PlayStation Eye to start out with, since there aren't very many supported games. Let's price that bundle at $80. The Eye by itself is $40, so we'll say that the Move is $50, by itself. Here's why.

We price the Move at $50 in order to be in line with the Wiimote + MotionPlus bundle, because Nintendo's controllers have somewhat equivalent tech to Sony's Move. (The Move actually has more advanced tech, with the LED ball on the end and better motion tracking, but to the end user, the experience is similar.) $55 is also the price of a DualShock 3, to compare the price to a controller Sony already sells. So $80 for the first bundle, which is logically cheaper than buying everything separately, plus you have a game in there for free.

To have a "full" experience, you need just one PlayStation Eye, but two Moves and a sub-controller per player. And since the sub-controller doesn't have motion (but does have wireless), we'll price it at $30. The first player gets set up with the Eye and the Move bundle for $80. He still needs another Move and a sub-controller, which is an additional $80. That's $160. Every subsequent player only needs two Moves and a sub, which is $130, in our thought experiment. That's a total of $550 for all four players. Holy shit. The second player needs one too, so it's $130. That's a total of $290.
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GAM3R7l  +   2014d ago
That would be the LONG version of what I said....but true nonetheless. :p
kasasensei  +   2014d ago
"To Natal or Not to Natal in October for $150?"
No, way too expensive for me. And i didn't see any interesting game using it.
gano  +   2014d ago
To those on the fence about this propaganda, when the ps3 droped and and people had to wait for games by it being new tech but some of you cats called it the waitstation.
This tech was shown last yr, and there are no games to talk about the only thing shown was this ball game.
Why are u hyped/promoting a red ball? Would it be just to call it the waitbox now?
And even at 150 would you really buy it? They are talking about a circus performing at a gaming expo for christ sake. Not about the games, a circus......
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GenerationWinner  +   2014d ago
Im gettin it
this is the future of gaming and browsing.
PMR_21  +   2014d ago
the future of flapping your arms like a retard
C0MPUT3R  +   2014d ago
You better cancel
Your Live Membership, because NATAL doesn't work online.
saimcheeda  +   2014d ago
Definitely not
$150 is madness!
Chicago8506  +   2014d ago
To Natal or Not to Natal?
Not to Natal.
That price is ridiculous!

Unless that boy Milo can pay some bills....
Nah, but serisously though...what I've seen so far out of Natal, it just doesn't add up.

If that price of $150 is accurate, Microsoft better show something at E3 to justify it.
I know I'm not the only one who will turn his nose up to Natal if they don't.
Anyway...Game on!
kasasensei  +   2014d ago
It seems there are a lot of people disagreeing with others that see no interesting game for that body motion control device, so; i am asking to you people, if you disagree so much, it is probably that you have some game's names in mind, so please tell us what are the games that will make you buy natal at any price?

Or stop "bot disagreeing".
Chicago8506  +   2014d ago
They can do what they want...
Disagree all they want to...I could careless.
Fact is...if Microsoft does not justify that Price Point,
They're gonna lose Money on this thing.

People r going to buy it, but will they buy it enough to turn a profit?

M not buying this thing if they don't have some awesome software to go along with it! and some (Replayability).

So uhhh...all these ppl disagreeing, have fun doing it's not gonna change my position on this Natal thing...Only Microsoft can do that, with some justification.
Game on!
CountDracula  +   2014d ago
Only if I can try before I buy...
hiredhelp  +   2014d ago
To be frank weather they have games or not. this typical of microsft and hardware. prices for there console. $150 way too much. so much so im in uk that works out
150.00 USD =103.177 GBP
microsft always think money first why not give a little back to the gamers cut costs specially as they described this natel. was built with off the shelf componants to make it economical.and cos effective. even more reason not to over price the thing.if MOVE WAS TO SELL FOR THIS PRICE I WOULDNT BUY IT. id wait to it was knocked in price or get it pre owned
C4BL3  +   2014d ago
E3 Will tell
with the processor back in I really have to see what they have come up with now. But i also have to agree that can we get a break? WTF M$ thumb drives for $70+ and now a piece of hardware for $150.
C0MPUT3R  +   2014d ago
$150 and Natal isn't even playable online.
Wh15ky  +   2014d ago
When Pachter predicted Natal will cost around $50 a few months back, it was one of the only times I agreed with him. I just don't see why it would have to be anymore than $50.

I don't believe these rumours of $150 though, I'm not saying I'm still agreeing with Pachter, but I don't see how charging that much will help to extend the 360s life, unless Natal really is the revolution that MS are claiming, which I don't believe either.

I wouldn't be surprised if these rumours are based on leaks that are intended to mislead people and have us thinking the worst then E3 comes along and MS announce that it's $80 and the whole world goes crazy for it.
tudors  +   2014d ago
Natal should be more affordable....
so it promotes the games, if nobody can afford Natal then they are not going to buy the Natal enabled games are they, the initial price is the make or the break, now if they throw in a free game and a years Xbox-live then yes I am sold but the truth is I just don't have the type on money to throw arround everytime I want a new toy.
giovonni  +   2014d ago
the price
Isn't that bad its actually do able. Hell, I can trade two games plus use my game stop card for an additional ten percent off or what ever percent off promotion they have during the time. I could possible get the hardware down to 80 bucks.
I just think a lot of you guys wouldn't get it anyway because it wasnt in your plans to begin with because there are ways to actually drop the price.
I mean come on, some of you guys went out and brought new model psps, $ ds's, surely you can't be crying about the price point of something that does more?
alb1899  +   2014d ago
until today 150 is not justified but lets see after E3, after E3 maybe is not the price and maybe will be justified.
e-p-ayeaH  +   2014d ago
A real joke that may happen in the future
*biased costumer enters in gamestop*

gamestop employee - "Hello do you like to make a reservation for Natal?"

biased costumer - "What is that?"

gamestop employee - "It allows to play games with just motion capture! its the new thing!"

biased costumer - "That seems more embarasing than playing a Wii...ok whats the price tag?"

gamestop employee - "just only for 149,00$!"

biased costumer - "nice! that´s a pretty impressive price!"

gamestop employee - "so are making the reservation?"

biased costumer - "right on!"

*Natal is delivered at biased costumer*

biased costumer - "alright time to play some games! i already have natal and got a game for it yesterday!"

*biased costumer opens natal box*

biased costumer - "hum wait there´s something writen here on the bottom..."

*Now get the console to play it bitch!*

biased costumer - "what this is not THE console!? WTF"
mookins  +   2014d ago
If people are stupid enough to spend money like this, then I truly feel sorry for them.
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divideby0  +   2014d ago
NOT in our home for that rip off price...same goes for motion...let them keep em
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