Mark goes hands, feet and head-on with Project Natal- and comes away both excited and cautious about what Microsoft's wonder-device is capable of.
I didn't say the game (the Ricochet demo) was impressive, I said the underlying technology appears to be solid. And I've never been called an Xbox fanboy before, that's definitely a first!
I find the MS-pr methods with Natal very off-putting. It doesn't seem like they have any desire to answer real questions people have.
I agree. Their method creates a lot of questions just because you don't know if it's just smoke and mirrors, or if they're hiding something that's absolutely incredible. I honestly believe that they don't plan on setting a $149 price tag on Natal unless they're absolutely certain that it's worth every penny. So, my prediction is this: Either the $149 is wrong, or there's a big secret behind how awesome Natal really is. Or, Natal is a flop, the $149 is true, and Microsoft is exiting the hardcore game market for good.... Personally, I hope that Natal works out for Microsoft. I'm a tech junkie, and it would be sweet to see something behave how they described it initially.
Well, that's because they want people to be on their toes come E3. It's called building up momentum.
I am a bit of a PS3 fanboy but at this point in time I won't mock Natal, god knows I want to with what we've seen so far, but I'm sure MS must have something impressive up their sleeve. They wouldn't be having a big bash pre E3 if this was all it is capable of. Would they?
If however after E3 this is as good as it gets, then I will mock freely.
"Microsoft’s singular focus seems to be on developing a fully controller-free experience, but my previous belief that complex gameplay in traditional genres without a controller will prove to be a mammoth task for developers has only been reinforced by my play session with Natal." nuff said.
@steven too bad more people on this site are not like you...just blind bashing with no basis. growing quite tired of this site. I am in the same camp as you, I think they have been quiet because of this conference and don't want to lose hype or they have an ace up their sleeve. either way I will wait till E3 and if they still only show Ricochet (ball game) then yeah flame away. until then sony fanboys need to shut up along with the M$ ones...there is literally no basis for either of your arguments since you have no Idea what is happening inside the companies...so wait it out 3 weeks and make all of our eyes feel less tired from reading your BS people.
My god... Let's hope Microsoft doesn't do this at E3: Microsoft: We know you guys are tired of the red ball game, which is why today, we're proud to show off a new game... . . . THE GREEN BALL GAME!!!
you posted something on N4G about the the 360 so automatically you are a 360 fanboy..crazy huh?
coming from a PS3/PC gamer with no interest in a 360, yes that is pretty carzy. not to mention the article actually states some flaws he found with the limited time with Natal.
"I was suitably impressed by the results, with the peripheral able to simulate just about everything I threw at it, including kneeling down, leaning my head forward, and waving my arms around manically- all at once. The things we do for science."
"Less impressive is the menu system which relies on players using their hand to direct an on-screen pointer. Although it does work, it’s a bit sluggish and frustrating and feels it could really do with a Wii Remote or PlayStation Move-style physical controller to act as a pixel-perfect pointing device"
Oh, you must be new here. That aside, you cant blame people for being skeptical. We are waiting to be convinced. Red balls make me want to buy topical cream not console add on's. And dont forget, thats what this is, an add-on, something that has traditionally failed, where's you could argue, Sonys is simply a different controller. And it can be implimented into current genres of games. Thats what I'm waiting to see. I'm sure Natal can do games like Richochet and party/mini games. Show me how it does a FPS or adventure game because I just dont get it at the moment, and I can't fathom why anyone would be excited when we've seen nothing after a year. Add into that the rumours about $150 and 30% performance hit and its a definate worry. PS I dont suppose I can play Natal in my Lazyboy with my feet up can I? Thats kind of my standard gaming position.
You have to be anti Microsoft. Good to hear Natal's technology seems to impress people with its impressive leap in gaming. I find it funny people are making fun of the tech demo showing off a little what Natal can do(Ricochet). Natal's lunch lineup is just weeks away at E3 where there are so many developers trying to get in on the action Microsoft had to delay many developers work until next year because there is too much and so little time. These guys seem angry people are excited and impressed with Natal. You're getting a lashing as if you slammed thir mothers. Microsoft keeping Natal secret so they can have an effective "World Premier" has haters angry they can't size Natal up giving them time to smear it before people can make up their own minds http://www.gametrailers.com... 99% of major developers are making games for Natal right now and most if not all major Japanese developers. The opinions from people on a known PS3 fan site are not valid and are not more credible than the hands on feedback from people that have experienced Natal.
People get the implications that you found the whole product 'impressive' considering the 'brings us to our knees' portion of your title. It's a dramatic addition that of course suits the crowd here at N4G and will get you a lot of hits. As for your article, I see the good and bad was equivalently given (and notice that with typical fashion each side of the fence has 'chosen' to only cut and paste the portions here that fit their need). Thank you for at least being honest in that regard. I'm not sure I agree with your assessment on a 'sub-controller' being made for use with Natal, though. I think that would only serve to prove that their product isn't appropriate for the different venues that would require one, such as hardcore gaming. I'm interested to see what's at E3, but I'm extremely skeptical on the technology having seen attempts at it in the past and having seen nothing from Microsoft in the last year that supports what they're trying to do with regards to the non-casual gaming market.
If the games for Project Natal are just too many and they're overloaded then how come they haven't let 2 or 3 of these games get "leaked" so they can release some pressure at E3? I don't know how so many games for Natal are around and NOTHING has gotten leaked. I just want to see if that game where the girl was racing a HD looking game and she changed gears in mid air truly exists. If milo's voice recognition is truly that brilliant cause MS has never shown they've had that type of tech for voice recognition b4. My feeling is, at E3, we are going to see nothing but "causal friendly games" like Ricochet and the elephant painting game. If MS shows natal working an a high end action RPG or racer or platformer then for sure they'll show they've delivered but I just don't see any way for natal to be used for traditional gaming unless it's games like this
Don't know if it's really a game, but that was pretty cool. I think Natal is going to initially be a let-down. Like the 360, like the PS3, it's not going to astound right out of the box. Developers will need time to discover the best ways of integrating the human body. I think completely removing the current controller config is a very bad idea as I've always believed Natal's greatest strength is the way it can augment rather than replace. But we'll see where it goes. I think most of the buzz from last year (i.e. Milo) is kinda like the KZ2 target trailer. MS is showing the potential they believe the tech to have, not necessarily what we'll be playing just yet.
nice title! :D The guy also said this though: "Less impressive is the menu system which relies on players using their hand to direct an on-screen pointer. Although it does work, it’s a bit sluggish and frustrating and feels it could really do with a Wii Remote or PlayStation Move-style physical controller to act as a pixel-perfect pointing device. In fact, my prediction for E3 is that Microsoft will unveil such a device. Microsoft’s singular focus seems to be on developing a fully controller-free experience, but my previous belief that complex gameplay in traditional genres without a controller will prove to be a mammoth task for developers has only been reinforced by my play session with Natal."
Natal has no competition in the gaming market place....it's a stand alone machine....Sony move is a glorified Wii...EVERYBODY know that...Computer...stream video for the uninformed...
You don't REALLY believe anything in that video was real right? That was all their "vision" per say, but as of now there is absolutely no evidence Natal is capable of any of that.
That's called novelty, what matters to me is when that novelty wears off, is it a fun and practical peripheral. Edit: And Ricochet, manages to show us virtually nothing about how Natal will work in a real game, it's probably the worst example of how motion control can innovate gaming, why? Because Ricochet is not an example of a game anyone would otherwise want to play, and I'm not interested in simply paying for the novelty of motion control. At the end of the day, Natal has to be able to be applied to games we want to play, and it has to add something to the experience, enough to be worth the money. Until Microsoft can show me an example of Natal being applied in a real game setting, I have very little interest.
Wow...its same game from last year
so much that they can't show them all.
Sure I can understand not showing them all, but if there is such an abundance, why not show even one more than they already have?
They're using the red-ball game as example again, aren't they? E3 can't get here fast enough, just for that...
Yes, they are, and they had pre-prepared answers for the same old questions everybody asks.
You got to be kidding me, right? But How-TF the same Game from last year "bring them to their knees"? They must be tired or something -_- O-T Better wait for E3...
Yeah, I'm afraid it is the same old demo trotted out again- but I tried to put a new spin on it, to explore the hardware a little bit to see just how accurate it could be.
you say there is no lag but only framerate skips and jerkiness. Every video of Natal i've seen the lag has been terrible. Can you confirm that they have now fixed this game breaking lag? Are the current flaws gamebreaking for more serious titles?
if it is frame skipping then that was done to hide lag
What's with these unknown sites giving stellar Natal impressions? This isn't the first time it has happened. Can't even remember the name of the last one, but it was similarly obscure.
I'm looking forward to what MS will have to offer at E3. Natal could be very interesting and could be a nice thing to have around with friends while drinking
You're thinking of pot.
nope. cant with security clearance. alcohol... whole different story!
I wonder if Ricochet is accually built in to the device itself? Like Alex Kidd was on the Master System.
Rock, paper, scissors good times.
$149 dollars for red ball game? No thanks.
Yeah and I want to pay 50.00 for move which looks like a vibrater.
$50? I thought it was like $400 to allow everyone to play.
Why does everyone insist on making fun of the ricochet game? E3 is weeks away and they'll reveal everything. They said on the bonus round on gametrailers that so many Natal games are in development that studios had to push their games back to 2011 because the launch is so packed.
"Why does everyone insist on making fun of the ricochet game?" ...maybe because MS has shown NOTHING ELSE.
Because that's all they have shown and have yet to sell a lot of people including myself.
"Pachter said on the bonus round on gametrailers that so many Natal games are in development that studios had to push their games back to 2011 because the launch is so packed." ^ Fixed. Michael Pachter: 100% correct when enforcing your agenda. Look, I hope Microsoft blows my friggin' socks off with Natal at E3. I hope it looks so good that I'd be willing to dump $1000 on it. The problem is that reality thus far has dictated quite the opposite. We've had a year of private ball slapping PR-fests with pseudo-celebs. Even in this article the guy says any real questions he tried to ask were quickly curbed to pre-scripted Q&A. If you don't suspect there's a man behind the curtain at this point, there's nothing anyone can ever say to you to convince you that Natal isn't God's gift to gaming.
I wouldn't worry much at all about a bunch of anti-360 fans say about Natal, they're pre-progammed to hate it. It's clear micro is doing its rounds all over the world, the UK, Japan, Austrailia, Spain, France, Germany and of course here in the US showing off just a glimpse of Natal's performance via the Riccochet game, whats funny is everybody who has had HANDS ON WITH NATAL= #1 says its alot of fun and #2 most importantly they ALL get really excited about what the tech promises for the future in other games.
lol, At all the sony extremists who bombard every positive Natal thread knowing full well micro isn't going to reveal anything besides Riccochet until E3 with the same old comments. Natal is so interesting the haters can't stop following Natal news. They sound so butthurt and jealous because Natal is getting more attention than wii-move.
JokesOnYou - gets bubbles for life!
how pathetic natal looks
How pathetic move looks
what do you think they would say
oh look the big red ball game again haha
Oh look that glitchy, laggy easy online game mgo haha. Hows the community? Is it still full of noobs and knife glitchers?
haha i made this account like a week after mgo launched, are you really gonna be a dick and take the mick out of the account name i chosen?? i havent been on mgo in over a year
Natal is the truth...Be afraid PS3 fanboys be very afraid....lol
Lol, good one.
looks like they're trying to pull a Palin by getting everyone's expectations so low before E3 that even the slightest glimmer of potential in Natal will be impressive. i can picture it now: you thought natal only did balls?! well look at this >insert handful of casual wii-clone games here< .. yeah, they're going to have to bring even more celebs on stage than last year to distract from that train-wreck ... cirque du soleil anyone?
Hey maybe they will bring a comedian on stage
I have a cousin who demo'd natal he also said it was amazing. Cant wait for it
It will also bring your wallet to its knees.
I think that was the PS3..funny how hipocracy rules here at N4G...
Was that the PS3 that didn't have Wifi, didn't have a next gen disc player, an internal HDD, and charged to play online? 360 is 4 years old. What's 4 years of online at $50 a pop. Oh look, with that alone the 360 was as expensive as a PS3. It isn't hypocrisy that rules at N4g, it's avoidance of the truth.
No, it was the other PS3. You know, the one that forced me to buy wifi, a next gen disc player and an internal HDD even though i wasn't really interested in all those things. Okay, so I did want all of that but you can see how it works both ways. Let's face it, at the time, the world wasn't ready for a $600 machine no matter how good of a "deal" it was.
First of all no one forced you to buy those things. Anyone that believes those things are not important is basically a tech cripple as they do not grasp the advantages of those items. Considering that he PS3 has outsold the 360 in Europe since launch and the EU is the largest territory then apparently the world was ready for an expensive machine. And it doesn't work both ways. The machines either cost the same over their lifespan or they do not. As I said, take just the Xbox Live for a few years and compare the costs. There may be some persons incapable of financial planning but I am not one of those. The "give it to me cheap now even though I'll get stuck later" types that buy furniture at Rent America may appreciate the cheap upfront price but paying more for a machine in the ling run doesn't make it a bargain.
"Anyone that believes those things are not important is basically a tech cripple as they do not grasp the advantages of those items."
Really? I have three kids who are all out on their own. My two girls and their cousin all room together im the same house. My son is married and bought a new house two years ago. My two girls have all three systems (together, not each). My son and his wife have all three systems, as do I. One of my girls, my son and I all enjoy playing games online with each other and with our friends. My other daughter prefers playing single player games or games with other players in the same room. All of those "important" items mean nothing to her. If there was a PS3 version that didn't have all those "important" items and was cheaper, that's the one she would buy for herself since those other features would not be used in her case.
I always find it funny that people assume that those who buy the 360, especially the Arcade model, are going to end up paying so much more in the end. Maybe, just maybe, that is the exact console they want and will fit their needs perfectly.
Also, that "$50 per year for Live" excuse is dumb. You know very well you can get it for much cheaper than that. I don't know anyone that pays $50 per year. You make it sound like the $50 (your number):)per year is not worth it to me and I should feel like I'm getting ripped off. I MUCH prefer Live over the PSN so the $50 is well worth it to me.
Not everyones needs and experiences are the same as yours. Don't assume that your way of doing things is the best for everyone else.
Have a good day and try to be a little more open minded. :)
yawn...same game over and over and over.. no new news....I cant see how anyone is excited at this point because of the rehash...I really need to see something new...guess we all have to wait till E3
PS2 eyetoy did that and more years ago ...
No Eyetoy did something less sophisticated, in 2d, with your silohuette being how the detected collision. Sorry. And so did cheap USB PC webcams before THAT. Clearly you don't really know anything about webcams, Eyetoy, PSEYE or Natal. You can't tell the difference between 2d and 3d tracking or 1 camera and 2 cameras.
Ohh good, at least im not the only one sick and tired of that stupid ball game.
I'm not giving my opinion... YET. But honestly, neither this nor "Move" has impressed me. The Move looks to be like a Wii knock-off, and this looks like a bit more high-tech version of the EYE-Toy. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong though. I guess we'll have to see!
I can honestly say I believe MOVE is far from a Wii clone. The tech demo is so amazing! If you research on youtube.com and check out some of those Tech Demo's you will honestly see it's NO WHERE near Wii. I will give my opinion of Natal though, I haven't seen any Tech demo where I'm amazed especially since every single thing the show has a Celebrity/Actor behind "closed" doors with no cameras allowed. Now I'm not being rude by any means I'm just stating some obvious facts and I'm only curious why they wont show more. Even if they're hiding until E3 they showed more since they been showing the Red Ball game for over a year now, right? Like I said I'm kinda skeptical on Natal and from what I've seen of MOVE I'm very interested. I meant to say "Even if they're hiding until E3 they SHOULD have shown more since it's been shown for over a year now, right?"