Speaking on the latest version of GameTrailers show Pach Attack, Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter has explained why he feels Xbox 360 will never have a browser. It’s all down to ownership, apparently.
Because they are owning the internet right now, with most people here using Firefox or a different browser to I.E and the reason for that is because I.E sucks... it's slow, no add-ons and full of adverts. I was SHOCKED to see a no ABP browser, the amount of adverts on the internet has increased so much.
You misunderstood what he meant when he said that they want to "own the internet".
Again Pachter acting like he knows what's going on. No doubt if they did put in a browser they would redirect it to the home page of Bing and allow no one to change it. I'm sure MS would prefer that. The real reason why is a console is precisely that a console. Why would MS keep adding key points of their main income in Windows, soon they might as well just put Office on Xbox.....
Big Mike concluded by snapping those bright red braces. “Microsoft is all about making money, and that’s the cool thing about my job; I get to assume that everyone I talk about is greedy, and greed is good. Microsoft is going to end up charging you for everything you do, but they won’t charge you; they’ll charge the person you’re paying.” I'm glad I can view YouTube on PSN for FREE!
“Microsoft [said], ‘You are not getting out of this box unless we control your access.’ So when you replicate Facebook, Twitter, Nextflix on the 360 it’s not the same. You aren’t actually going to those sites; you are going to a Microsoft-controlled site where they know exactly what you are touching" Xbox 360: Think inside the box....whether you want to or not. Well, if they gave you access to a browser, all of the dumb things they charge you for would be useless to them.
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I agree with what you're saying, but Pachter wasn't suggesting Microsoft is even CAPABLE of such a thing as long as third party options are available, which of course are non-existent on the 360 and are only just now being limited to a single option on PS3 due to the removal of the other OS feature, yet it remains an open browsing platform at no extra expense. Microsoft can and does, however, control their consumers' use of the internet thereby "owning" their pocketbooks by implementing strict usage stipulations.
Yep, you got it. Also this means they can tax their consumer's use of the internet as they please. (360 owners)
and then they call it FEATURES!!! hahaha i hate MS ...
Exactly its a walled garden they control and always will control.
reminds me of AOL in the early 90s. You didn't get the internet, you got their version of the internet. Most people eventually saw it for what it was, but there are always those that live in blissful ignorance.
"Again Pachter acting like he knows what's going on" well he certainly know more than you :P
I'm still thinking that MS don't want a Browser which must/may be FREE on the x360 cos they don't want 1 thing "invading" other "MS terrain", something like x360 for gaming and if you need to browse something on the net, go use windows + IE, well that's the idea, cos people can use windows + another alternative to IE, like Firefox, chrome or Opera...
Microsoft was to be the monopoly over everything you want to do.
Microsoft makes a lot more money selling OS and software on PCs than on the 360. Giving the 360 a browser would cannibalize their PC business. For the 360 division to justify adding a browser and stealing business from the PC division, Microsoft would have to charge $10/month for Live.
That conclusion was drawn up from MS corporate arrogance. That because they're in the position they're in because of Windows, that they can bully their way into any other position in the industry. It doesn't matter that Firefox is more popular, when push comes to shove the MS mindset is that they'll do something to cut the legs out from under the competition leaving IE as the only choice. Nevermind that half the effort that anyone outside their company might see as being underhanded could have gone into making IE a better product. The same example applies in the PS3 vs 360 "war." The 75 million spent on GTAVI DLC. Meanwhile you've got the example of Google as they grow to a similar level of MS. Offering general benefits to consumers and the industry by reinvesting in the structure of the Internet with fiber optic cables and working with other companies like Sony for Google TV. Not C-blocking Blu-ray with HD-DVD because they want everyone to use their disc format codec or make a foundation for their movie DLC service which is limited to their game console which has a subscription fee in addition to having access to movies, or another subscription from another company.
Content owners aren't going to hand their stuff out for free. Google will have to prove that declining confidence in their approach to the online ad market can be reversed.
You fucking morons, patcher said that if there was a browser on the 360 people would be able to download games and such. This is true too because you wouldn't need to transfer from a computer to the xbox, instead you could download straight to the xbox.
can you dumbasses just watch the vid instead of posting stupid comments based on the headine. your comments have nothing to do with what he actually said.
Well, if there were a browser, a lot of the XBL Gold features would be uselss like Netflix, Last.fm, Facebook and Twitter. And if they make a browser exclusive to Gold users that would be bad publicity I believe. Then again, I'm not desperate for a browser. I'd rather have a youtube app or BBC Iplayer like the PS3.
BBC iPlayer isn't an app. It's a link to the website and it runs fine on the browser. Same with YoutubeXL, It's a site and it works great with PS3. @Pedobear: Well if their apps were anything worth noting i would agre but their Facebook app is extremely limited to the extent of it being pointless. All PS3 needs to so is improve their browser.
xbox has served them well...it gives them control over the implementation and user experience of things like Pandora and FB and allows MS to monetize what would otherwise be 'free' on the internet. This 'app' approach is now going to let MS transition a good chunk of the Live experience to the mobile Windows 7 phone platform as well. Whereas PS3 users are left with a substandard experience using the browser (I'm not in the states so don't know how well Pandora works if at all on the browser but I know FB works like crap on the PS3 browser)..though it is a free experience. Won't this be moot when we all have Google TVs? PBR
What are you on?
Your justification for no browser is that you have applications? Imagine if the iPhone had a similar thing, no internet and only 4 or 5 apps for the sites.
The PS3 is substandard but it's almost 1,000 times better than the xbox 360 system. Sure some sites may not work but I guarantee more sites work on PS3 than 360.
Bu...bu... I really don't know what defense you could put up, beyond 'It's better for the 3 or 4 sites'. PS3 Iplayer works on PS3 browser.... YOUTUBE works well. This site works well. Countless sites work well, sure there's no Add block plus but they work as well as you can expect from a console.
The dreamcast had a better online than the 360 apps. Infact you could probably get facebook on the dreamcast.
No. I said it is serving MS's purposes of monetizing the online portion of their machine. I didn't express an opinion as to whether I liked it or not. As for the PS3...I merely compared the browser experience against the specific apps of MS...not overall. I used the PS3 browser quite alot and thought it did a decent job...I have moved away from it since installing a Revo at the TV. You need to calm down. You already showed, with your first comment, that you are a troll and not really intrested in calm and rational discussion. You're here to express your masturbatory love for a gaming console.
Pandora works perfectly on the PS3 web browser, I use it all the time, it is nice that you can browse your XMB and send messages while listening too. Facebook gives you access to ALL of facebook and it's features where as the 360 FB app is feature gimped. PS3 needs a browser update no doubt but what it already has is miles ahead of the 360 (IN THIS DEPARTMENT)
Well yeah and they want to own 'YOUR SOUL'!!! ;-D
haha yet again i watched pach-attack and sure enough 2 seperate articles quoting what he said in response to each question
I kind of expect MS to announce a browser for the 360 now. I have never seen this guy be right about something.
they dont need a browser, they need a babysitter
they also need a milk bottle jk
why does browsing on consoles suck, because MS said it (lol ) i actually find it very convient. sure it will always be second to the 360 but it is a good option.
The 360 still hasnt got an internet browser? man that IS old-skool, even cheap mobile phones hav internet browsers built in to them these days, MS needs to pull there socks up and stop bein so greedy
Basically, IE will make to all the more easier for hackers to hack xboxs and make MS look bad. There, that wasn't too hard to say was it MS?
im pretty sure the 360 is already hacked to hell and back
Sorry, didnt mean to double post - doh!!!
those dissing a browser on the 360, which I own, are the ones who only own a 360.. seriously, there is not one single good reason why not to have a browser..its free and optional, only a complete idiot would diss a browser on a console..... calling in all blind DAs
how? they've done a horrible job with it so far... i've learnt: don't let MS own ANYTHING, they tend to screw it up. I.E...*shudders*
No Internet browser for Xbox 360 because Microsoft wants to own the Internet.. That makes no sense. To own the internet, your gonna' need a internet browser lol
You're missing the point.. Microsoft is trying to "own the internet" by essentially forcing the gamer to stay within their little sphere of control.. viewing/buying through them only.
Ah yeah, I knew that. :P
You don't need a browser to "own" the internet. You don't need a browser at all to use the internet. http://www.webopedia.com/di... The 360 is a closed system with a closed service. I think that saying people are "forced" to do anything is nonsense, considering you can do all of those things Pachter mentioned on other devices. I don't do anything with my 360 other than play games. I am grateful that my PS3 is more flexible and that it lets me watch HD movies as well as play games. But for non-gaming internet activities I tend to stick to my PC because I don't enjoy the sub-standard web experience that consoles offer.
How is this news? This has been a mainstream opinion since the damn system(x360) came out.. anyone who does not agree with the sentiment is rather naive. MS is basically trying to match Apple's structure point for point by having a complete lockdown on both software and proprietary hardware.
This guy is amazing sometimes. Trying to own the internet? Then why is it that my laptop, which is currently running a Microsoft browser, lets me go wherever I want and do whatever I want and Microsoft doesn't get an additional penny of rake off of it? If Microsoft was trying to own the internet I'd think that strategy would extend out to their other products. Trying to own their own platform? Yeah. And being too restrictive? Probably. But as dramatic as this guy says? Not so sure.
Lol, Internet Explorer.
and i gotta say wow what a difference from IE. why the hell didnt i do this sooner?
Try also Google Chrome, both are very good.
If IE were literally the only internet browser people could use, MS would turn around and make it subscription based, just like they're trying to get the Federal government to make an Internet use tax to fund internet security measures. A money pie they'd mostly see the biggest slice from. @tinybigman: Because like most people IE was the first thing put in your face. Not a put down just the truth: I was the same way before finding Netscape - which MS later crippled by buying and making a number of general use codes proprietary.
Its the same reason Apple doesn't allow Flash.
dont need it.....used the one on the ps3 one time....
It's a shame IE is the most used browser of them all when Firefox and Chrome are so much better.
i agree wit you "pumbli" ive been using chrome since day 1 and now five chromes later we on our way to the sixth one in a few months W00t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! never did like firefox and IE is a mess to me
you people seems to forget we do have a browser on the 360 its "NXE" thats our browser really why would MS put a web browser on our 360s for...... they stated this a long time ago it is a game console.....while credit sony for making it the all in one machine in which i like but MS will not go the route like sony did..... I remember these types of arguments a long time ago when the ps2 was first launch....sony was going to make an all in one set top box for your living room and here is the ps3 to deliver on its promise... thats why i love both consoles and well our wii is just for family gathering ps3- great for everything 360- great for just gaming wii- great for the parties
in other words; if they [microsoft] don't profit from it [browser],you [dumbazz] don't get it [browser],ok dumbazz [you].
It is the same way with everyone else. You can't access PlayStation store threw a computer but only threw their hardware. You can't access the WiiWare threw a computer but only the Wii. Everyone wants to own the internet cause if someone/some company did they would rule the flow of information and entertainment.
i can access the psn store through a pc. http://www.sonycreativesoft... and you can access the marketplace on pc. http://marketplace.xbox.com that's not what this article was about though, it was about ms not providing a browser because then they can't chop up bits of the internet and make money off it.
browsing on consoles is LOL worthy and the sony fanboys need to stop being toddlers because there embarrsing sony and making normal people hate PS3 more and more everyday they might as well label this a PS3 site because that's all it's full with PS3 fanboys not legit good users
and they sit on here using their crummy ass ps3 web browser to troll n4g all day. makes me wonder when they actually use their ps3's to PLAY games. sorry ps3 fanboys of n4g, but the ps3's web browser is a sick joke at best. the thing sucks balls.
i can watch youtube videos, there's the iplayer, there are also anumber of flash game sites that work ok, not great but ok, on the browser. youtube looks great on my 42inch hdtv, certainly better than my 19inch pc monitor. there are a number of site that work just fine on the ps3 browser
i think the real question here is, seeing how IE is who in there right mind would want it on their 360?
for once i think pachter is totally on the money. there won't be a browser on the 360 until ms can chop up the internet and make money on each and every part of it.
Owned just owned, I guess M$ really wants the customers to view their Ads for Xbox Live daily to make even more money out of them.
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