Andriasang: Don't read too much into the Square Enix CEO's comments from yesterday's press conference.
Why even announced it as an exclusive in the first place if thats not going to be the final outcome, maybe its a business strategy, announce a game exclusive get the fanbase excited then do the E3 "shocker" and get all the media attention.
your sackboy looks so sad, cheer up buddy it's not official yet!
with you Marius. really
agree its pretty lame. thats why i dont like SE.
slapped Wada with a tons of money to make this game multi platform. We should take a good look at Wada's eyes and see if there's a $ sign in the pupils.
Is not going to happen, Nomura will leave the minute Wada announce that, sales will favor PS3 Again but it'll sell less than FF13 cos FF Players will be all mad about the crap SE is doing with their Beloved Franchise, so FF Supporters will Abandon the hopes of a True JRPG like the old and nice days of Squaresoft, after some time, SE Shareholders including Sony, will want to cut Wada's head...
I know what you´re saying dude. It´s not just SE. It´s almost every 3rd party dev.
that is why SE is going down in reputation, something $$$ can't buy. its going to hurt them in a long run. just like someone has said previously, they need new leadership, push the company to a new level, rather than becoming a sell out.
The answer is simple why companies end up changing their stance. The landscape has changed. It wasn't where they though it would be. PS3 was supposed to be in a different position then what everyone in 2005 thought it would be. You know predictions, projections and name recognition. This is why SE decided to go multiplatform because they saw other devs making money on the 360 because the attach rates that companies do care about were noticed. So nothing should suprise anyone about things changing but then again we are talking about fanboys on N4G so none of this is a surprise from any of your responses. Logic doesn't seem to matter to some of you.
its amazing how all the xbox fanboys surface at the smallest sign of a ps3exclusive game coming to their console... now u can see that they havent go anywhere.. they are watching from the shadows.. waiting...
If your talking about me all you have to do is look at some of my posts to know that I "lean" sonys way. I have a 360 as well, I play games but I do enjoy N4G for the fanboys. I get alot of laughs from some of the comments. I do wish we had more than 3 bubbles though. Anyways happy gaming .
No... i just agree with u... this is going to get interesting. i wasnt calling u an xboxfanboy.. but for a while there hasnt been a fanboywar cuz u dont see xboxfanboys . this will lure them out thats all im saying
and it has, Not only on this article, take a look at the RNR comparison screens article, There all over that like ketchup on hotdogs LOL, and people are saying how N4G has nothing but PS3 fanboys. Square hasn't been Square since before they merged with Enix. I use to have much respect for them, USE to.
just like we always did with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or the Earth-Romulan war. jk
Wada is waiting to see if Microsoft gives him a huge check in the 50 million plus range. Then he will make it multiplatform. Say hello to linear, no towns, no npcs, no airships, world maps etc.. if it goes multiplatform. Wont be buying any SE crap again if it does.
Why are people so mad if SE does make FF13Versus multiplatform I don't see the bad thing in that. It's not like they are not going to release it for the ps3 as well they are just going to release it for for more people. Why is that bad thing. As for the linear, no towns, and the other things you listed. I honestly don't think it's the Xbox 360's fault I'm guessing it was just SE being lazy and just not wanting to do all that. Lost Odyssey had all those things and it's on the xbox 360 it had world maps, it wasn't linear, it had towns, airships etc. So it's obvious those things where not added to FF13 because of Square just not wanting to. It's the dumbest thing I have ever heard that you won't buy games from a certain company just because they "might" release it for the Xbox 360 as well.
The reason it's a bad thing is because even though the 360 may not have been the reason behind no towns and such it WAS behind FFXIII being dumbed down graphically from what it was originally supposed to be. We saw screens that were redone later in the games dev cycle after it was announced for 360 that looked worse then the original screen. While the game looks better on PS3 there were sacrifices on both consoles. After all they could not do something to crazy on PS3 it if would not work on 360. A good example was the MASS amounts of CGI scenes that were removed and replaced with in game scenes because of the limits of the DVD. But in game detail was also affected as well. Add onto that the fact that the small amount of footage we have seen from VS looks WAY better graphically then XIII did and that XIII's 360 version was dumbed down and it makes you think what they would have to do to VS to get it running on Xbox(I.e they would have to gimp both versions like they did with XIII). On top of the fact that they have been touting it as exclusive forever. If you wanna make it multi fine that's great. But announce it that way. Don't say for 2-3 years it's exclusive and then go NO IT'S NOT!! all of a sudden. It's a perfect way to piss people off.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
soo true man bubbles
@blue7xx7 People aren't getting mad at the fact that it's another PS3 exclusive that might go multiplat to 360, people are getting mad for the fear of lost quality and content that might happen if it goes multiplat to 360, which Reibooi specified above. EDIT: This link shows the comparison from the FFXIII PS3 demo, that came with the Blu-ray Advent children movie, to the final build of the game. http://hatimaki.blog110.fc2...
It's like the other said above. Too many times this gen have devs focused on making every version the same and the expense of one platform. Fanboys are going to be had because it's one less game to throw in the face of 360 fanboys. But regular people are just weary of a drop in over all quality.
@maniacmayhem Instead of trying to state I'm wrong why don't you come up with reasons to defend your point of view? Is it per chance that you can't or are you just lazy? Seriously don't bother posting if you are not gonna add anything into the conversation or say something constructive. It's just annoying and most would consider it trolling.
The reason Lost Odyssey had towns and airships and world maps was because it was developed JUST for the 360. So, the developer could add anything they wanted without worrying about another system. Also, there is no "linear" comparison if there is nothing opposite to compare it to. Also, Lost Odyssey wasn't developed by Square Enix. So, how can you say that those things weren't added "because of Square just not wanting to"?
He's trying to cover his @SS because of the extra backlash SE is going to get when he makes it a MP game.
the fact is square enix made me lost a lot of interesting in their games. its sucks. they want some love money.
r mind manipulators!!! its all a scheme to lure u n da depts of a reprogram method... they have occult knowledge n use it 4 they evil biddin... its one big joke.. just ignore it.....
Buh-Bye quality Final Fantasy games... A franchise gone from "good" to "good enough". Ain't it sad? @Disagrees - Hate on my comment all you want. You know you aren't getting the most out of a game when you spread it out on three discs and still have trouble making the game look identical on two platforms. Meh.... good enough.
Good to good enough? You're being far too kind. More like "influential to uninspired." Thats how FF has evolved in my opinion. Actually, thats how the whole company has evolved. They used to be trend setters in the gaming industry from 95-2001.
Unfortunately, they chose to give in to the growing Western RPG games and follow while still using some JRPG elements, which they failed to mix correctly. They should stop trying to do something they aren't good at (being Western). They should do what they do best. They're still going to get sales in the West and a ton more in the East. What they're doing now is trying to win the world and that never.... EVER... works.
Square doesn't even wait for games to actually be released to go back on their "exclusive" claims.
I don't even think this guys going to make it to E3 alive.
This changes everything!!! Oh wait, it's vague and specifies nothing.
oh here we go, fanboys jump back on the wagon
why do devs. treat stup!d info like this as if its area 51 info? if it has a chance of going multi then just say it if not then dont say sh!t. frikin devs, are like women, "yea i said that but i didnt mean that exactly"...
gonna get some clarification on this .... the source is the same twitter account. but this does imply some other information about lost remnant. looking at translations for lost remnant information. If anything else.. it can be use as alternate source.
It seems like FF vs 13 will also be shit if this happens. If FF vs 13 becomes a gimped game then the only hope would be for Agito 13.
But wait, there's more...Agito 13 might make it to the DS.
I was saying people shouldn't "jump the gun" about the said statement before he never confirmed, it would be going to the 360. But to be honest if VSXIII does go multiplatform, I know why. [$] Money talks and greed is universal and don't forget Square Enix(and every other Japanese developer/publisher) wants to dominate the North American Gaming market and they eye the 360, since it has home advantage.
Settle down kiddies. Tetsuya Nomura will probably get final say on this and I for one am extremely confident that Nomura will extend a big middle finger to Microsoft just like he has for HIS ENTIRE CAREER. Nomura has never made a single game for Microsoft and I seriously doubt he is going to start now especially considering that he built Versus XIII from the ground up as a PlayStation 3 game. He is not going to compromise his vision (and his first directorial job on PS3) to include an XBOX version. The best the xbots can hope for is a shitty port in a few years by some other Square-Enix director.
"Settle down kiddies. Tetsuya Nomura will probably get final say on this and I for one am extremely confident that Nomura will extend a big middle finger to Microsoft just like he has for HIS ENTIRE CAREER. " thats a little dramatic dont you think? Again, where is the evidence the Nomura is a sony-fanboy, everyone says it but I have yet to see any proof. Who cares if Versus ends up on the 360? Dont give me the "gimped" bullsh!t FF13 was lame because of SE not because it was a multiplat. Some people are religiosuly devoted to these companies, you do realize in the end all they care about is your $$$.
Understand that he is a business man, he's not going to directly take a side. But from his actions in the past is seems that he is not fond of Microsoft. These designers can often get their way, especially talents such as Kojima, Nomura, and Ueda. In relation to Final Fantasy, it seems that he is not someone who wanted to see FF13 go multiplatform. http://playstation.joystiq.... For his game he may want to keep it to one platform as he mentions in the article. I don't think that Square would want to cross him since he is a corner stone to two of they top franchises. And with the PS3's expanded and exponentially growing install base they may not feel the need as they did in the early days of the PS3.
NOMULA IS SCE CULTIC
tunaks1, Mr. Nomura hasn't made a single game that even got ported to either XBOX in his 20 years of game development. He might not be a "sony fanboy" but he is certainly going to do what he believes is best. Square-Enix is largely staying afloat because of his Kingdom Hearts games. I would say that gives him a LOT of power within the company. Combine that with the fact that PS3 is the dominant HD console in both Europe and Japan and the likelihood of FFVSXIII going multiplatform at this stage becomes very faint no matter how you slice it.
why do fanboys so desperately grasp that they hope that people in the industry are as indoctrinated fanboys as them.... Nomura has made several games on Nintendo platforms. Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories on GBA, Kingdom Hearts 358/2, and one of my favorite games on DS, The World Ends with You. There were even rumors that Kingdom hearts would be a wii title before it fell of the rumor radar. So no hes not a sony fanboy maybe he prefers the console but he's not going to go out of his way to champion the console. Could you imagine just how ridiculous of a game designer you would be if you said NO IM NOT MAKING IT IF ITS ON XBOX.
All this is making me really sad. Aren't we missing the point? What happened to the Square that made games because they were passionate about games? You can't fake that kind passion and it showed through thier games. Making Versus non-exclusive is like saying even Nomura is in for the money. (Which would shatter my emotions, if I found out that were true.) No way he's gonna sacrifice the quality or his vision. Besides, if you're a REAL fan of the series (or quality game consoles), you would have already bought the PS3, or you'll buy it when the game drops.
so game quality can degrade, since this is what you want.
I swear if I see that "magic tap" at E3 like what Kojima did, Im going to melt.
Not happening. Keep dreaming. There needs to be at least one decent Square game this gen.
Keep dreaming 360 fanboys. I like how 360 fanboys are hungry for PS3 exclusives and yet they can't even ask Microsoft to come up with decent exclusives of their own. Square doesn't want to lose their prized developer so it will stay exclusive.
No one is dreaming the developer is talking about a multi platform release lol. No one was dreaming when FF13 went multi platform, it simply went multi platform one day hahahaha Everybody is jumping ship and or making sure they get a piece of the 360 action anticipating the huge 360 boost Natal will cause.
huge boost lol,it will fail just like every other attempt M$ does it capture the causal market.name one casual attempt they made that succeeded in the past,yup all failed. also it wont happen,he would have announced it in the conference.
Sorry, but are you serious? Do you really believe that stuff you're typing there?
Even if it those come out on the 360 as long as they keep the air ships towns and world map and NPC to talk in the towns that's all i care about 360 didn't make FF13 suck SE did. They had no problem having a world map and towns and airships in FF 7 and 8 on the PS1 so they can do it now still.
exactly, FF13 was lame because of choices SE made. Who cares if it ends up being a multiplat dont you FF fans want more people to play your beloved franchise?
Most real fans of the franchise bought a ps3 in wait of FF13 when it was originally announced as a PS3 exclusive. I don't think they care about other gamers and I don't see why they should. Also keeping it to 1 system means a better quality game meaning more people will buy it for that system. I think it probably would have sold twice as much on PS3 if it wasn't downgraded thanks to the 360 version. Also those who want the game will have to buy a ps3 SIMPLE. It's not like millions don't know what Final Fantasy is already do they?
lol FF its doomed
Why would anyone be surprised by FFvs possibly going multi-plat or think if it did that it would have any tangible effect on the PS3's future success. If it has not become clear to everyone by now, the PS3's success or failure no longer is dependent upon old 3rd party PS2 franchises. In fact I think another "tap on the shoulder" moment would be anti-climactic and only make Microsoft look desperate. Besides SE's prestige has been significantly downgraded enough becuase of their lack-luster effort, FF13, that such an announcement should result in a collective yawn. But we will see, either way SE games just dont matter like they use to.
I don't think anyone is clinging PS3's fate on the success of FF games except bad journalist and rabid fanboys. It's more of that FF fans are upset over the lack of quality. Most of FF fans just happen to be PS3 owners. FF was one of the reason I bought a PS3 before FFXIII went multi. I am just disappointed with SE's multiple and seemingly endless bad decision.
I own Both PS3 and 360, i play all Multi platform Games on 360, i would love to play Ff vs 13 on 360
because not with nomura in the way they have to get passed nomura do do it
It's gonna go to the 360. Mark my words. If I'm wrong, my account will be terminated immediately.
Funny how my comment's been tagged as trolling; it's the same as yours!!
If it does I'm not getting it.I got 13 liked it and I've been watching trailers for versus for a long time at the end it tells you only on ps3 nomura said it was only made for the ps3 so if there like oh we have 360 version you have to wait more after we lied yeah f you.
4 million of those are from the ps3 version alone http://www.vgchartz.com/gam... they could of reached 5 million with just a ps3 version. The number of people who have both consoles but pirated it on the x360 and the number of people who would of got a ps3 for it, and even the game could of been better and it wouldnt got crapped on and got bad scores like it did. sales would be over 5 million and above had they not gone multi and they would of not been shat on by people. All these japanese companys are freaking dieing and getting bad reviews, scores, and sales becuase they are trying to be some american EA/activision game milkers. There is a reason the exclusive rpgs like demon souls, valkryia chronicles, lost odyseey review better, etc and stomp the heck out of ff 13. These japan developers waste time, money, and effort and are dragging there names and companys into the ground. there franchises will end up like capcom who also thought they could pull an ea and be multiplat and rip people off with low quality products. Now look at capcom... bionic commando flop crap, RE5 flop crap, Lost planet flop crap, devil may cry horible crap. This is what happens when you are not a huge versatile game milking company like EA, activision etc and you try to go multiplat with every gosh dang game. The only games that are working for crapcom are there old nostalgia franchises thats always been multiplat from the start. These companys in japan are getting greedy and are makeing dumb discisions. The first dumb one was not supporting sony like they have always done. Sony has never let them down and these japanese companys should of at least stuck it out untill next gen. They got nintendo right there to make money off of. NO need to put stuff on the x360 to get chump change on the side. while destroying there great names. FF vs 13 should and will stay exclusive unless they wont to totaly erase the name square enix from gamers brains. They will be come a second rate company with all the failures they have had this gen. Have they made one good game yet this gen? they way to focus on multiplating everything to care. square eni downfall will be greed and stupidty.
Oh cool maybe Versus XIII will get a worldwide simultaneous release. What it's gonna be a multiplat? Delay it for 3 months! Is a worldwide simultaneous release too much to ask for? Sales of 13 probably would be larger too.
that have expectations regarding Square-Enix? Color me dumbfounded @[email protected] When will you guys understand Squaresoft, or Square-Enix for that matter, is DEAD? Dead and buried! It's over! Time to turn the page now! If you still plan on playing JRPGs, you still have Level 5 (the Squaresoft of tomorrow, you can quote me on this), or Atlus, or even From Software...but forget about Square-Enix already. FFvsXIII will most likely be like all those modern JRPGs, a snorefest filled with emo characters dressed like J-rock fashion victims posing at an otaku festival while spewing random pseudo-philosophy as deeply meaningful as the dodgy Latin verbiage that will no doubt become the game's slogan... Zzz ... Zzz... Damn, I'm already bored with the game and it's not even released yet -_-'