First of all: we don't say that PlayStation Move is beter than Natal, but at PS3Hype we have a number of reasons which show that the PlayStation Move will sell better.
I hope that was a joke lol
lol.. nothing about this mass delusion is a joke.. funny how Move, the PS3 and it's bronzers needs a pep talk every day on this site.. usually at the expense of the #1 HD console.. :) Who would buy this thing when there is a much more popular Wii? The only people buying this thing are existing ps3 owners.. while Natal is seen by many as an evolution of the Wii and not just a knock off.
Why would people buy Natal whilst they already have the Wii? so in Natal you dont use a controller.. most of the family market like having a controller it makes sense lol..
Conceptually, your question is better fit to be asked of PS Move, being that move is practically a wii-mote/nunchuk ripoff. Although I think move is better the the wii-mote, most people that think of that type of controller would have the wii come to mind before they would the PS3. If Natal is all MS has hyped it to be, there won't be much on the market like it. Which will spread through the masses as the wii did. My prediction is, in a couple of years, Natal will be highly successful and Sony will copy it just as they did the wiimote.
@KingMe This is where lack of information seriously hurts. For the most part, everything NATAL can do, the Eye Toy can do too. If you want proof, just look at HipHopGamer's last Vidicle. Sony has all bases covered on this one. They have a controller and the Eye Toy for a controller-less experience if necessary. I'm sorry but with the majority of popular games as first person shooters on the Xbox 360, I have to say PlayStation Move will cover more games and sell more than Natal.
Wasn't that weak a$$ game the hip hop was playing some form of 2D platformer? I didn't see much there. That game was typical PS Eye gaming. Natal will be above and beyond that. NATAL the new "play beyond".
a joke? Sony are actually bothering to market their product.. i go into game shops and do i see a poster for Natal ? no i see none but i see 2 signs advertising Ps Move. And also for the people who dont like change and like the Wii this will be a great system seller since the graphics will be better and it will work for most games.
Title Beter Beter Beter Beter??? Oh .. Better.
Ha ha. Took my tired brain a sec too! -CadDad
It depends on the games and marketing Natal's downgrade (removal of processor) basically turned it into a fancy webcam. However Microsoft will probably market it as some all-knowing eye. The main advantages for move are: 1) Much lower latency 2) Much higher accuracy 3) Tactile feedback 4) Potential for backwards compatibility The main advantage of Natal: 1) Full-body 3D motion capture (in theory) 2) Person and gender recognition (in theory) 3) Voice control (in theory) So far, there have been no actual live demonstrations of all these things. Unfortunately, despite all the fabricated videos Microsoft has been churning out (like that infamous boy, finger control of TV, etc.), Natal will have to do a lot to get over the impression created by this unedited live demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Here is why: Imagine if you were a casual gamer and you had seen an advertisment for the Wii and another one for Natal. Would you buy the Natal because of the other games in the 360 library? NO You would buy Natal in order to lose weight and have fun. Now, Natal will be more expensive than the Wii since you will have to buy a 360 too(you are a casual gamer so you don't own it already). So, would you buy the cheap Wii or the expensive 360+Natal. The Wii of course. Lastly, you want to lose weight. So, would you buy the Wii that also offers wii sports,wii fit and your neighbor says he has lost lots of pounds or would you buy Natal that is less popular and you are not sure its gonna work? To sum up: Wii: 1.More popular(even your 56 year old neighbor has it) 2.Cheaper 3.Games that appeal to you(wii fit) 4.Proven to be working(losing weight) Thats called "Common Sense"
The question was why would Move sell more than Natal, not would Wii sell more than Natal.
move works as the wii with more accuracy and hardcore games so for the casual gamer there is no difference
Your conclusion is based on two assumptions: 1. That Natal will be expensive and that people will only buy cheaper stuff. Well the PS3 has proven that it holds it on even at once the highest price point of the three consoles, let alone the fact that we have no clue on Natal price. 2. That Natal does not work, and/or the consumer will wonder if it will. If MS has little booths at stores for people to try, they can determine it pretty quickly themselves. Lastly, in the US you can practically take any product back to the store within 30 day for a full refund. Still we don't know how well Natal works, but I can tell you that most people I see play that "boring old Ricochet" game seems to have a lot of fun and excitement. With that said, this article is pure rubbish. I can think of plenty of other legitimate reasons for why PS Move CAN sell better than Natal, but the reasons this site gives is something that for the most part already is there (Playstation brand, blu-ray player and even the release date is pushed back to the Fall from the Spring). Why would that significantly change the landscape in September. It's ironic that this site is called ps3HYPE, because they are clearly doing their job!
Well, while i agree with you, the ps3 sells well even though it is the most expensive because of hardcore gamers, like us. Casual gamers back in 2007 had no interest in buying it and nor do they have any reason to buy it now. Wii and motion controlers are more popular and considering how much money M$ spent in developping Natal's technology, its going to be more expensive than Move
The technology of Natal is in the software, it is a one time investment that can be used for a lot of things not only Natal. R&D should be part of any large company so I don't think that is an issue. The camera itself is billed at $50 cost to manufacture so I really don't see an issue here. Why are you trying to make it a dis Project Natal while praise PS Move? They both have obstacles... and the software is really what will determine their success. Great technology without use is useless!
lol like your losing weight angle, i have been eating lots of pizza in the hope natal will take lots of weight off! :D
they can get a gym membership or a home gym. I think insanity is cheaper too.
He still needs to fix the title though :b
because natal will be very limited because alot of games wont work on that hardware expect alot of cheap mini titles
"Why the PlayStation Move will sell beter than Natal" Brought to you by PS3Hype. If you can't get the spelling of you titles correct, why would anyone trust your gaming analysis?
Because predictions don't require correct spelling...
Well the analysis was non-existent! It hinges on assumptions and competitive advantages that have been there for a long time. Nothing about the actual product itself! It was pretty much: 1. Natal will cost more than PS Move based on rumors that have been dismissed. 2. Playstation brand name.... Well that has existed this entire generation and Wii is still the king and MS/Sony is still about dead even. Why will that change later one? 3. Blu-ray player. Again, that has been around for some time, why would that affect PS Move sales if users hasn't already bought the PS3? 4. Timing of release. This could actually make or break either, but moving both that close means both will generally suffer. If PS Move released in the fall, they would have been able to capture mind share and customers for almost 6 months. a 1-month lead isn't going to change anything significant, but instead can cause the Dreamcast/PS2 effect. People were holding off on buying Dreamcast because they were waiting for the PS2! @dweezy You are correct! Predictions can also be done by any moron without any basis or real analysis!!!
It's translated from Dutch.
that is my guess =3
Or because Natal might cost $200+ when it should cost $50.
Natal will not beat the Playstation move in sales. Half of you hyping Natal up knows you have no plans on buying it. I for one plan on buying the Playstation move. Sony has done a good job marketing it and also making it be able to work on previous working titles. I'm pretty sure Sony will make some good titles for the Playstation move. Sony will win simply because of this natal will it work on previous xbox titles ? NO will the Playstation move be able to work on previous ps3 titles ? Yes. And that is why Sony will win they will have games exclusively for move. Also Sony Basically Gives you to options of gaming the move or the dual shock. The only way this will backfire on Sony is if gamers say oh well I can always use my Dual shock controller I won't need the move. Thats the only way I see any chance of Natal beating the move.
"Half of you hyping Natal up knows you have no plans on buying it. I for one plan on buying the Playstation move" dam thats a strong argument! Wow man you should become a lawyer and you'll pwn debates! /sarcasm
I have yet to see anyone saying I'm gonna buy natal all I see is everyone saying what microsoft is gonna do. Question are you gonna buy it ? I know what move does I have seen it work with new games and previous games. Tell me what have we seen from natal ?
And everyone hyping Move has the money set aside to fully support the device? Excellent logic. Truth be told "both" Natal and Move are knee jerk reactions to try and get some of that nintendo wii money. At this point what does move bring to the table to make you think otherwise?
So you argument between the natal and move debate is the wii ? Yea very nice argument. Day 1 when I heard of the wii motion controls. Its nice but im not buying it. Wii games do not appeal to me. Playstation 3 has the games I like and is now adding motion control thats enough reason for me to buy it.
I'm not arguing one over the other, and my comment didn't compare either product to the wii. I'm simply saying your embracing of move and judgement of natal is premature. You prefer the playstation brand and that's fine but I believe your taking a lot of what Sony says about move at face value. Let's not forget Sony "said" rumble was last gen technology and look where we are today.......
@mcgrawgamer Once again, lack of knowledge hurts someone's argument. 1) We have seen live demonstrations of what the PS Move can do since E3 2009. 2) Since then I've seen these games on the Move: SOCOM 4 Live Kung Fu Sports Champions Move Party Eye Pet LittleBigPlanet Move Party TV Superstars Motion Fighters 3) Several other games like Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11, Disney Toy Story 3, and Brunswick Bowling are already nailed down for launch. 4) The PS3 Eye is completely capable of doing everything Natal can do. Add the Move controller to that equation and NATAL can't come close to the precision, low latency, or surpass the plethora of genres the PS Move can cover. These are facts! You can argue those if you wish but your clever diction won't change the truth. The only thing you can say you've seen from Microsoft was a Bouncing Ball game, Burnout Paradise or Need for Speed, and some tech demos. Nothing is nailed down. We don't know a price. We don't know anything really. So the lesson here is simple. The PS Move is not HYPED up...it is what it is. You have the proof in this one post. HYPE would be me telling you that NATAL is going to outsell the Move since there's no facts nor concrete reason to believe so other than speculation of what it can and can not do. The PS Move is the real deal. Until E3, Natal is all HYPE!
Realistically speaking, Sony will not patch many old games to use Move, they will just implement Move into the sequels so that we buy something new. The crux of your argument is right, though, in that Move can be implemented very easily into any game, while Natal, because of the processing power required, has to make special situations or games to implement it. Natal will be really cool for mini-games (imagine playing the hacking mini-game from Bioshock by actually "grabbing" and moving the pieces), but Move can be used for core gameplay without sacrificing graphics, or AI, or physics, etc.
E3 will tell all.I still think Move look like a Flashlight with a Clown nose on it but that's just me .We will see at E3 won't we.
#1:Marketing wise Microsoft is doing a better job than sony. The media seems too be eating up natal, also natal + mtv marketing Microsoft easy win. #2:If the move wants too sell it needs too have move only games, in other words a real/necessity reason too buy another controller(even if it's a motion controller.) 3#Microsoft gives the option too combine natal with the normal xbox 360 controller, offering a supplementary upgrade. With this it initially will be xbox 360 controller and natal not xbox360 controller or natal. 4#They did include processor (back) in natal backwards compatibility might still be possible. Though tacked on motion control probably isn't the best way to go... 5#Last but not least natal is not only meant for games but also too establish the xbox 360 as a media hub and differentiate itself from the main competitors
They haven't even started to market the product yet. Im getting both but fuck this site, im going back to neogaf, at least there I dont have to listen to non stop bais and have a legitimate conversation about the products I am buying. I really can't wait to try out both devices this year at E3, just got my pass in the mail today.
and I hope for your sake that's not you kissing at the camera on your avatar. MOVE will do great and so will NATAL. Belive it or not N4G community which I can assume most are hard core gamers only make up about 35% of the gaming crowd - the casual market is where most gamers are and all MS has to do is show Hannah Montana or Justin Beeber playing NATAL and BOOM the soccer moms will eat it up like it was the next Wii.
Could careless for either. Frankly both are just a gimmick that will become dust collectors months after buying.
ummm....its better, not beter. Title should have been fixed before approval
The Wii will outsell them both in my house because I don't need more motion controls.
"Why the PlayStation Move will sell beter than Natal" This is the one thing I doubt, the PS move looks and sounds better then natal, but I have a feeling MS will market this thing like crazy. Any casual gamers out there who want motion controls will pick up natal over the PS-Move for the shear fact that it is different then the wii. Sony's "me-too" strategy with the move will come back to hurt them, they need to differentiate from the competitors.
MOVE is just like Wii if i wanted four controllers to play a two player game i would of bought a Wii.Why mess with it if its not broken.
...what Move will end up costing given many videos I show players using multiple move controllers (i.e. one for the shield, one for the sword) and lets not forget you also need to have the PS3Eye. However, I just hope Move enabled games provide a good mix of casual and hardcore gaming. Eyetoy games were fun but only for a very short time and the EyeToy cam ended up collecting more dust than anything else.
The P$ Move will come bundled with PS3 Eye along with a game, for about $100+ if I remember. That doesn't mean it's not gonna have it's problems when it first comes out. To anyone who reads this, I bet 10 bucks that P$ Move and M$ Natal will have some sort of bug or glitch when they first come out, something that won't get fixed in a patch until 1-2 months later. I have to say though, Move does like a giant ripoff, but it doesn't make you look like an ass unlike Natal. If I ever get the chance to try both, I will try both. Only then will I come up final verdict of which is good. Even den, the Wii will continue to trounce both companie$ to the point of nightmares. Kevin Butler is still awseome.
"Why the PlayStation Move will sell beter than Natal" because Natal is made by Microsh*t and it'll probably have a virus or something, and PS Move will ACTUALLY work and doesn't look stupid like Natal does :)
it only summons up fanboys.
Where's Yuna when you need her? :(
I already own a Wii so I don't need another one. That's all the MOVE is. I will check out NATAL when available because it looks to do way more. If you can interact with a RPG I will be buying!
WTF is a beter?
A Flashlight with a Clown Nose on it.Natal will win easy.
"First of all: we don't say that PlayStation Move is beter than Natal, but at PS3Hype..." Stopped reading right there.
They are two different things. Move is the Wii Mote and Natal is new tech not just for gaming but for for a media experience. I think when Natal is packaged with the 360 for $250 it is going to sell very well. Especially if it's a slim lined 360.
simple it will work that is why:):)
It all about the prices and we all know how microsfot like profit look the hard drives on amazing £72 for 120gb and £32 without a case with microsoft name on it.
ok this looks like a legit (ie non troll) blog thats sways towards move > 360s natal motion. i however feel some of your points are not so great in my opinion. also my spell check is not working and i am dyslexic so sorry for any bad spelling 1 price: Microsoft has said nothing about price, alot of people this week have said $200, a few months ago they were thinking $50. but no one yet knows, microsoft have said they want a large adoption rate (thats very important for developer support) to get this they can afford to give the product away at a very cheap price ie $50 with a game to included so that it gets lots of buyers, note that Microsoft can afford to do this sonys may be 70 euros for the camera a controller and the cam but if you want 4 player, and additional num-chuck style controllers you could be looking at a couple hundred $s while on the 360 once you get the came you have 4 player support making it much cheaper for a family of 4 2 sony and playstation are good names but there not as good as they were 10 years ago where they dominated the market, now days people say 'with a sony tv you just pay for a name' i have worked with TVs, sony use samsung panels and everybody uses philiphs boards yet the sony costs alot more than the samsung thats practicably identical, also the ps3 has had a bad start and a lot of bad press over the last few years and olot of PSP owners have reasons to be unhappy with Sony. Microsoft has a big name too, alot of bad press but its latest console and operating system and a big success 3 blu ray might make the ps3 sell more and thus those people then buy move over 360s natal but blu ray does nothing to make natal better than if they were using dvds and also blu ray has a low odd adoption rate, its won the HD 'war' but theres not many spoils, digital downloading (on a long enough time line) _is_ the future, i have not put a disk in my player for years and i love it 4 introduction. lets say move comes out a month before natal, Microsoft could start a hugly massive marketing spree on natal and why its 'better' than move a week before release and steal alot of the head lines, point out some of the price differences that i have bundle it with an xbox 360 console and reduce the price again. Microsoft have not said anything about natal for nearly a year and have a dedicated natal show at E3 this year i think there going to be pulling alot out the bag that people will not expect. sony may have the hand controller with buttons but if thats going to be the decider of whats going to be better and sony reason to get move over natal then I'm sure Microsoft can counter this by looking at the move controller and improving it for themselves so they have the best camera and the best hand controller. i do personally have hope for natal being super kool as microsoft feel that its a better stand alot device as just copying what the wii already has available, also for many a new hd tv + ps3 + all the move wands and bits and games for a family to buy will be a lot of money for something that feels a bit wii in HD, maybe they will go for the cheaper alternate way of doing motion control
Who's going to benefit from Move? PS already has a controller.
You can't walk without a controller, thats why playstation move is better ;-) But I think that Blu-Ray is a important factor do. I think casual gamers don'y buy a PS3 only for blu-ray but when it comes with a Move Controller than it will be more interesting
walking games? your talking about the shooting games like resident evil, it will be like playing it with a mouse that u wave round in the air, it wont brink much to the games other than 'turn the crank' style time waisting game lengthening mini games bolted on. microsoft have been tight liped on natal since E3 last year, and this year have a E3 show dedicated to natal, they have also promised new genres! that sounds fun and gets me very excited about the future of gaming all over again (for the first time in about 10 years)
Move support will be optional for many games -- you can always buy one and then you'll probably already own games that support it. Heck, we've even heard that some games may be being retrofitted for it. Natal support will be specific to Natal games, because it doesn't really fit as a control "option" -- its a completely new experience. To buy it, you'll also need to buy games for it. Thus, the price... way way higher overall. Here's another supporting reason: Sony owns a truckload of 1st party studios, and you can bet they will all be providing Move support in all their games, casual and hardcore, no matter how many Moves have been sold. MS, otoh, relies on 3rd parties. How many of them are going to take the plunge and provide Natal support for anything but minor games, when there aren't hardly any Natal systems in existance, in the beginning, and the control options would have to be so radically different? How well would the Wii have done, if Nintendo didn't have 1st party titles to drive it forward?
we know there will be a slugfest happening.my take is that pseye can do most of what natal can do.and move allows things natal can't do.because there is a motion controller.what natal doesn't have is a motion controller. people say,"microsoft can just use the controller."the 360 controller doesn't have motion. but seeing these videos of markerless capture http://www.youtube.com/watc... and the fact that eyetoy kinetic wildfire allowed this guy to play using his feet and his hands on *playstation 2*, http://www.youtube.com/watc... i doubt sony is that worried about microsoft's camera.
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Why do people always try to speak for the casual gamers rather than them speaking themselves? I'me as casual as it gets and I'm more interested in Move than Natal for many reasons.
A casual gamer on N4G, that sounds funny to me!
whats your take on the "move" ?
so i dont really care. peace:-)
People pay for quality :) no matter the price people will pay anything since it makes them feel they have something of value :) words taken from HUNG :D
i think what sony is trying to do is bring over the strong base of the nintendo wii consumer to the ps move and i think its a perty smart "move" they just need to have the right line up for casual gamers to suck them right in and that will translate into big profits this holyday season and this ps3 drought is part of the strategy and its just so obvious. i view the "Move" as a great option nothing more nothing less.