Valve has gotten a lot of press for porting its Steam client and games, starting with Portal, to Mac OS X. However, users of Apple computers might be getting the short end of the stick as far as performance and image quality go.
Guess that's why Valve's offering it for free right now
They might just be testing performance on Mac with a freebie. But knowing Valve they'll soon have a patch to smooth things over a little bit.
I tried to d/l it last night, but it kept timing out.
I'm really surprised it will even run on Mac. It's no small feat porting a directx game to openGL
I can't exactly agree with the DirectX to OpenGL complaint. If memory serves me correctly, Quake and Half-Life were made into OpenGL and looked way better than DirectX. And it just seems like Valve rushed this and Mac programming has been a last thought rather than anything else. It's Valve, and as much as I think they're lazy for making very few games between HL2:EP2 and Team Fortress 2, they can do much better than this.
OpenGL is the better of the two. DirectX is just easier to program thus there's more support behind it thus the better looking it is. OpenGL can do astonishing things. DirectX is also used on the Xbox 360 and well, just look at most of their games. :]
The problem with openGL, is that openGL has barely been touched since Half-Life 1 was released. Whereas DirectX has continually evolved into the standard.
Portal is available to everyone for free right now. Not just Macs. If you don't believe me, boot up Steam right now. Its free until the 24th of this month.
I lol'd. Hard.
I guess that by reading your comment I can positively say that you don't have a mac, or at least tried the game on a mac. I downloaded portal yesterday and played for about an hour and it ran pretty smoothly on my 13' macbook pro and yes, I have a pc too and I can see no difference, this might be an issue for older macs or the ones that have less than 2 GB ram, but so far so good.
A better question would be why would I own a Mac? I built a gaming PC equipped with Windows 7, which runs Portal, and basically any other game I own on Max settings with absolutely no hiccups, unless it's due to the actual hardware of my computer.
I'm not saying you should own a mac. Everyone has their own preferences when it comes to computers and gaming, all I'm saying is that you should try the game on a mac, see it's performance first hand, and then lol has hard as you'd like if you see a dramatic difference between platforms instead of just assuming that it doesn't perform well.
And needing 2Gb+ and a curent rig for portal is an achievement since when? lol I can run it on my 2006 PC just fine maxed out. xD
I know a difference between platforms. about 500 dollars
And what does price have to do with the performance of the game? also it depends on the pc you are comparing it with, there are many pcs with a price tag equal or grater that a mac.
It does have to do with the performance of the game because when i spend more money on something i expect more with my cash in terms of performance. Macs have laughable $ to Fps ratios.
Silly mac, games is for PC.
This is a Mac failure. Not an example of Valve's inabilities to work on anything other than a Windows platform. @Nitrowolf2: But I'm not pointing the finger at Mac. I'm pointing it where it deserves to be pointed, even if they were offering it for free.
Godmars is saying is true, but MAC can run windows, does that change anything?
I recall the same issues with the orange box. (I know it was ported by EA)
Lol good one
haha, It's weird that I got that reference, considering I'm British.
...but this video about Mac gaming is really funny.
Not one bit surprised. There's zero reason for gamers to use a mac nowadays. Doubt there'll ever be one.
The point is that there are Mac users who like to play games, and valve was unable to prove that they were able to reply to that want on their first attempt. With a code and program they are very familiar with.
Blame Apple and their lack of driver support, specifically for OpenGL. Apple really doesn't care for hard core gaming anyway, they'd be forced to actually put some good hardware in their products to make top end games playable (My sisters $2000 iMac came with a Radeon 4650...).
just get bootcamp
Those Mac users should be happy with what they get, Portal is free nobody should be complaining.
Portal would still be just as great if it had Snes textures. Actually, it might be better with snes textures. Someone get to work on a snes texture mod, thanks.
*sniggers* I thought Macs were for super rich art folk that only use photoshop in their modern sterile appartments?
Well, being an IT student I understand that Macs are without a doubt the Industry standard for Music and Graphics Development. They are also loved by many people who enjoy the many perks of using a Mac OS, Plus now more than ever with Steam coming to Macs and being able to use MS Office Etc. they are very reasonably choices, albeit expensive. Personally I don't have the time or patience to get used to an entirely new OS infrastructure.
Not sure about the music department since I'm only aware of garage band, but for graphics there's a bunch of free/pay 3rd party editing apps like GIMP, seashore, pixelmator, or just Adobe CS. For photoediting there's the two big ones, Lightroom and Aperture, along with the whole slew of 3rd party plugins and complementing apps. For 3D/video editing, there's Final Cut Pro, Final Cut Express which is very affordable for indie film makers, Cinema 4D, Maya, etc. Some of the apps are multiplatform. For photoediting I always found industry professionals to be comfortable with Aperture while others prefer Lightroom. For professionals in the video industry, a lot of them are very comfortable with FCP.
To find it ridiculous that Anandtech is using a Hackintosh for the benchmark instead of a Mac Pro or a MacBook? Kinda stupid there. As long as performance is above 40 FPS no ones give a darn about it. I use a Macbook Pro *i5 update* and I find no problem between Mac Portal nor Win Portal.
I do agree with you here, they should have used a new Mac Book Pro with a 320M, with a similar Windows based PC.
Is all supported by Apple. It's just not built by Apple. Why pay the Apple tax? It's a fair comparison.
@dirthurts Problem is that the hardware does not have the necessary drivers to optimized performance on a Mac, not to mention the components are not all optimized due to the fact that it is a built Mac, not made by Apple; which is the model that Anandtech should be tested. Also, Apple has yet to release any driver update to optimized the OpenGL for gaming performances. When that should happen, THEN Anandtech should do the comparison on a actual Mac model.
Well my C2D mbp w/ the 9400m runs portal just fine. Heck it runs MW2 and ME2 on W7 bootcamp just fine too. If my sammy netbook could run decent games I would. It's kinda silly to only be able to play Peggle fine on the N110 and choke on Machinarium.
Hopefully they get this sorted out for Linux.
I agree with starscream...They are probably missing something with the hakintosh, its just a really stupid thing to do, wait for a real comparison. Btw I have had a mac for about 3 years now and I havent looked back. It was like a chore to keep running antivirus etc on the thing and buying a licence every year to protect my computer. Now all I have to worry about is turning on my computer ...I might try valve on my macbook pro 17inch.
You'll start seeing tons of virus for Mac roll in. It's already started. Their arr Mac viruses now. Mid as well poney up before you get hit. It's all about hitting the largest audience. But some are gearing twords Macs now, as they have little security implemented against viruses. Linux is still safe for a long while. But I <3 Linux. But I never use it as a main os.
^ Tell me of a mac virus. I got a trojan from mail but ClamAV removed that thing like it was nothing. And ClamAV is free. No subscription. Nothing. And the only thing the trojan really affected was Firefox. You seem like a technogeek that only likes linux because it's the cool thing to have, unlike the programming professionals that live and breathe with it.
I'm not going to join the whole Mac vs PC argument ... but, ummm, if the Mac has no virus' why does it need Anti-Virus software?
DeeBee Believe it or Not, To protect Windows Systems. For example, Entourage on mac can pass on a virus to a PC, however it doesent effect the mac. BTW, all this Mac OSx has no Viruses due to Market share, Why were there Viruses under Mac OS 9 at even a lower Market share? Its All FUD.
From next week: GABE NEWELL: "The Macintosh is a complete waste of time. Investing in OpenGL, investing in its technology is not going to give you any long term benefits."
Gabe thinks everything that doesn't use a PC architecture is a waste of time.
From a financial stand point, he's pretty close to dead on. The hardware is the same. The hardware supports OpenGL under Windows. They just need time to optimize it for Mac OS. That is, if they keep at it long enough.
macs are just not made for playing games
Really? I'm playing it on my MacBook Pro with Medium and High settings and it runs perfectly. There seems to be a lot of PC fanboys in here as well...
... I’m playing it on my Macbook Pro right now, and of course it’s not performing as well as it would on a high end gaming PC.... it’s a friggin’ Mac! It actually looks and runs better than I expected... so no complaints from me.
Apple seriously needs to release their Mac OS X for use outside of Apple-built computers if they expect Mac users to get into gaming. I've used Snow Leopard extensively in my class, and I find it to be pretty damn good. If they made it compatible with custom-built PCs and priced it similarly to the price of Windows, I'd totally try it out.
Who would buy their overpriced hardware then, the OS is a big selling point.
I'd imagine that if they released their OS on non-Macs, they'd naturally lower the price. Also, since gamers would obviously choose custom rigs over Macs, Apple could be more restrained amount of power they put into their computers in terms CPUs and GPUs, which would allow them to lower their prices even further.
Is anyone surprised? No? Moving on.
DUH they are macs all they are good for is editing a video or something like that and you can be positive they will freeze 20 times in the process.
Don't game on a mac :)
MAC sucks for pretty much everything. Your just paying for the name.
"Hackintosh build" fail on there part
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