Kotaku interviews Jack Tretton on disappointment with Sony's VOD.
Thank You for admitting it Jack!
Lemmings Are NOT Gamers, They Are Followers.
@1.1: Because you asked so nicely, your a lemming.
@1.2: Lame reply, you can do better then that.
I expected more from you, try again, lemming.
Reply to EDIT: That wasn't me who "disagreed" with you, so don't assume. Btw I do disagree with you, and will do so now.
@1.3: They say "Ignorance is bliss", you would know.
Reply to EDIT: You wanna talk about GT? Ok lets talk about GT. WHERE THE HELL IS GT? Will it be ANOTHER download only, so Sony can save more monies?
And whats up with the developers talking about no destructive models?
ps3 cant handel the physic's engine? Ram restrictions preventing real time damage? Too hard to code? WHAT THE HELL IS THE STORY SONY?!
Don't even speak the sacred name of Halo 3.
Your a lemming, you wouldn't understand.
GoW speaks for it self. look at the sales, look at KZ2, they were certainly inspired by it. (post apocalyptic futuristic warfare) Heck, you even bought it lemming.
@3: Kewl Icon Rambo. (for 1982)
@5: Launch day system with NO PROBLEMS whatsoever.
Reply to EDIT: And between now and then, I will have enjoyed MORE games then the PoS3 will have in its ENTIRE lifetime!!!
@6: "...which all here can agree with me.."
(3) disagrees, seems to me, not all agree with you.
Wanna make a bet that Halo 3 sells better then KZ2?
I didn't think so.
CyberSentinel, could you find a new name besides lemmings for Sony Fanboys? That's all I hear in your posts: lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, and more lemmings. Find a new word please. Thank you.
P.S. Watch, I bet he's gonna call ME a lemming now.
You really are a hopeless case Cyber. If anyone is a "lemming", it is you.
So I'll reply to your drivel.
You call yourself a gamer, right?
And the 360 is about games, right?
Then how come you care so much about VOD?
Did you hear what he said? He said yes, we have a problem, we are late in delivering that service and we are frustrated by that lack of our own focus. But we are working hard on it.
What dis MS say about the biggest issue with the 360? It's the customer's fault.
Nice. So you sit there and wait for responses and when one slaps you in the face and wakes you up, all you can do is hit the disagree button?
Weak, my friend. Weak.
Because we trust sony!!! MS are liers and rip offs.
Sony - Great service, Great games, Great console.. Dont forget user friendly.
MS - Great games, BAD hardware, Bad Service... NOT WORTH IT. I found that out last week.
Edit: Ignorance is bliss, is that all you can say... yank? Oh wait lets say something here. The xbox 360 was some sort of amazing thing? Games console... no no no A bad atempt from Microshaft. YErr thats right.
Another great bunch of points -
Forza - Bad copy of Gran turismo, people say its realistic hahahahaha wheres the understeer, wheres the oversteer. 'Well its realistic because you can put vinyl on a car' hahahahaha ive heard that line from an xbot lol. Want a real sim play Gran turismo or RBR or GTR 1 or 2..... The games that started it all. ya?
Halo - Just a shooter.... BUT an xbot would say 'its the most amazing game ever bla bla f*cking bla. Piss off. I had more fun with the game Black on ps2. But then again it still looks like a ps2 game and still plays like one.
Gears of war - Why on earth was this so special??? anyBODY....... It looked dull, your team looked steroid addicts but xbots would say 'its the best looking game ever' hahahahahahaha are you DUMB!!!!!!! Jesus retards... motorstorm looks alot better and BTW i own a 360, have played gears, done a comparison on a 40 inch HDTV and motorstorm looks alot better. ya?
Sorry i'm going on abit... well i will lose bubbles '''''''''but i dont care''''''''(as jeremy clarkson would say) i'm off to play the sims 2... its a great game and it doesnt involve aliens or big men.
Any sony fans out there!!!! Give me a bubble plz.... i return all:p
I thought M$ fanboys were the lemmings. I guess I've been hanging out in the Gamespot system wars forums too long. There, Sony fanboys are known as cows, Ninty fans are sheep. Lol.
Wow, im not even going to bother to read that manifestation of blind fanboyism
I will bet my PS3 to you 360 that Killzone 2 sells better then Halo3
loser must smash his system on youtube.
are you in cyber?
What exactly was it that you found out last week regarding MS?
If you are insinuating that you were an owner of a 360, I don't believe it.
Don't do it! You WILL lose I'm afraid...
I'm afraid your PS3 is doomed.
What's up with this guy here? Mom forget his meds today. Lemmings is pretty stupid also.
Cyber sentinal microsoft doesnt deliver they cover up look at the rrod you retarded fanboy if anyone is a lemming that sir must be you!
What does VOD stand for again? Or is it just a name that has the word "video" mixed with the word "pod"?
Video On Demand
VOD is a disease what Sony has, called over promise, over hype and under deliver and brainwash 10-12 years to make them see KZ2 (which is washed out avg ps2 looking game) as Pixar quality gfx game with gameplay which has never ever been done before.
Stop posting Tretton's crap all over this site. His every sentence turns into a fu(king post. Damn u all fony retards.
Shut Up! Daxx Asked a real question and wanted to be informed and once again you come trolling by and give some fanboy response. GIVE IT UP.
To be a PS2 game, KZ2 had to excell PS2 version of KZ. Right? I think it does with bravour. You opp. may vary of course, but I digress that sentiment you have against KZ2. Why?
The number of things happening at once is just - zomg. When you consider the details, all physics and how many things are destructable...have you even concidered what CPU/GPU traffics that is needed here?? 1 of 3 xboxes would be in flames already (my belief).
Whatever is your moto....you have to take what's worth in a shooter, but don't digest that through anyone elses throat, mmkay?
Cyber sentinal thats the best you got you delusional fanboy lmfao why dont you stfu and go play with your xbox 180 oh i forgot it must be in repairs! XD
Doesnt matter it will be in repairs sooner or later remember its a time bomb tick tock tick tock tick tock BOOM! XD
Cyber you sure cause i dont see no amazing xbox 360 exclusives for 2008 that have been announce Key word: Amazing!
Considering you would have to be an extreme retard CyberSentinel which all here can agree with me that you are one since your not making any sense in so many ways and when Sony showed Killzone 2 NOW! thats delivering I dont see anything that Microsoft delivered except BS! 247 from there ass seriously what did Microsoft deliver except BS and a pizza to Sonys door? what is it oh thats right Halo 3 that looks exactely the same gameplay with only upgraded graphics and basically the samethings that they already have in Halo 2 only with new features and weapons and vehicles while Sony has Killzone 2 and with many features and we all know the first one failed I admit that but that doesnt mean the 2nd one can be better since Sony threw $20 million at Guerrilla to make an excellent game while
Microsoft has a low budget game like Halo 3 that doesnt even play like a CG game like Killzone 2 and of course Halo 3 barely has anything new to the table considering its just going to have the same campaign probably worse than Halo 2 and of course the animation in Halo 3 looks like Halo 2 animation not even different so they made that the same in Halo 3 and Sony again showed games and did not disappoint while Microsoft and Nintendo was doing whatever
for a billion dollar franchise of Halo 3 BaMYouRDeaD it looks the same and plays the same and the animation isnt any different you would think a billion dollars would actually dramatically improve the game of Halo 3 alot but it didnt I guess Sony knows what they were doing considering they didnt spend all that much on a game unlike Microsoft wasted all that money on a game when the animation still looks the same and the graphics improved but not that much going on and of course the gameplay is the same but overall its still going to play the same like Halo 2.
"Microsoft has a low budget game like Halo 3 "
Halo 3 low budget? LOL! Halo is a billion dollar franchise and is Microsoft's money cow. While I believe Sony won E3, to call Halo 3 low budget is complete ignorance.
talk about retarded statements, have you even played the game and you're heralding it as the next coming of Jesus lmao.
WTF are you talking about? despite what you think of E3 nothing has changed and nothing was told or shown that hasn't already been known so stop with the Sony movment BS. You people have created a fictional realality on this site that does not excist in realality all you're doing is trahsing this site.
I couldn't agree with you more POG!
Just kidding =) But seriously, yes MS has a much better online direct download service right now and I enjoy it a ton, but I'm also a realist and I'm willing to give Sony a chance to attempt to get their sh*t off the ground too. Marketplace wasnt 100% within the first year, it was extremely spotty and stuff wouldnt show up for months at a time. Let Sony trial and error themselves into a decent service, nobody is being totally inconvienenced by the fact that it's not perfect at the moment.
look i'm say this u sony fans u better enjoy all the good news while it last, because i promise u and a few months watch all the bad new for sony start to appear on the net. from more lost exsclusives to slow sysyem sales once again. and another thing why and the hell are any of u people so dam loyal to one company when the peopple who ownthem don't
even know ur ass is alive. think about this ur on the side of the road
broke down and u see peter moore or kiz or miyamoto what ever console
ur for, u see them ride by in there $100,000 car that u help pay for do u really think there goining to stop and help ur ass, my point excactly.
get a fu$%ing life all these companies care about is ur dam money. but ms fans when u do get good news for ur console remember how u felt at this moment before u go picking at sony fans. and one more thing nintendo is a console aimed more at kids but therefans act more mature then u dam sony microsft fans.
we sony fans are happy.
we got a lot of good news today and positve previews of the games coming. we are not here to bash the other consoles.
its just many x*** are trying to bash anything positive to sony with their baseless reasoning. so we just reply to the way they state their opinion.
anyway, why are you promising something?
sure all companies wants our money. and us gamers wants their games and these games are coming and ofcourse with a price.
i love my ps3
just like xbox owners love theirs.
+edit+ i need some meds too=)
It's a video GAME console.
He openly admitted that Sony is frustrated with themselves, so you know that sooner or later it'll happen. By his words, it should happen before the end of 08. Late, yea, but hey guys, its a ten year product. They can afford to take their time.
P.S. That last line was just a little joke, not ment to cause trouble.
in the meantime (for PS3 owners only) there is a great service dedicated to the PS3 provided by onlinelib that will give you a decent VOD service in the interim @ www.PS3movies.tv. In the meantime I would say search here for some good content (still in beta but looks good) until SNE comes in with a more robust system. Besides, with all of the GREAT games available and hitting the console, VOD is the last thing on my mind right now. Sure, it will be a great service once launched, but I still haven't watched all of my Blu-ray movies on the AAA rated machine, so when it comes I'll be glad until then I'm thoroughly satisfied with the system and what it offers.
One thing is for sure: The video on demand that I watch the most is the KILLZONE II, GT5 prologue, and MGS4 trailers in glorious full HD on my 65" DLP, which isn't available on any other console. That's what I care about at the moment. I think you 360 guys had a semi-decent argument pre-e3 regarding the system's need for games. But after last Tuesday night, those cries are falling aon deaf ears. We can find anything to nitpick PS3 or 360 owners about these days, but I don't beleieve VOD is the reason why we're all here. Just my thoughts.
i'm promising somthing because i have a couble of family members in the video game industry so i all ready know some secrets. and when i say a couple i mean dam a couble. now the slow sales is just my opion becaus nothing good last for ever. i mean no console no matter how many good games they have eventually sales slow down. but i do know microsoft do have a game that is going to stun the way killzone did but the thing is my brother wouldn't tell if microsoft was puplishing it.
but i do know its being made primarly for pc and 360. remember my name and i promise ur find more info about this game before microsoft wants u to, i mean if they don't find out my brothergives me early info. but u proberly hear somthing around x07. and to prove do u tha t im not lying about any thing i bet in about a week or so i will be able to give u the date for x07. if not in a week ibet igive it to u for microsoft anouunces it. o by the way in the next 13 months both companies are going to loose som exsclusive but sony will lose the bigger ones.
is oblivion is a real time sucker now i have to do the cure for vampiracy oh and this is completley off topic PS: Being popular is like being in a crowded elevator... You're just a fart away from being hated
There are pushing for Bluray. Adding this service would more than likely interfere with Bluray sales.
Why would they want to compete against themselves?
They won't fully support a movie download service until Blu-ray is the clear winner in the format war. Because even if your PS3 plays Blu-ray, why would you go out and buy the disk if you can buy the same thing (at a usually cheaper price) and have it saved to your hard drive.
Music service, maybe. Fully supported movie service before HD DVD is completely extinct, probably not.
THIS IS WAITING!
How is it possible indeed, Sony one of the biggest movie companies etc. around, like Jack says is running behind this late?
How can that be? I mean they're on the PS3 since years. Announced @ E3 2005. And @ launch, nothing was done. The online network wasn't done, this movie service wasn't done.
Why are they late every time again? Following MS? It's really strange
To me yes download movies do kill movie sales for media devices. For example. I have Time warner and they have about 20-25 hd movies a month for rent. Some are almost at the same time their DVD or HD or Blue ray release. Once I rent that movie even I like it alot I wont buy it immediatly on blu ray or HD DVD. Same goes to MS downloading service. They have tons of HD movies and I have rented a few. As more downloading movie places like Cinema now and ITunes movies, Vongo they will soon bring HD movies also. Although Cinema now has wierd HD content not real movies yet. Downloading movies whether to buy them or rent them will be the future. Something Sony needs to think and examine about bringing over their PS3, but it might also decrease blue ray sales abit. Also remember how exclusives are in video games. The one with the most sales usually get the cream of the crop first. Same thing goes with movies, the service with the most users and downloads will get movie exclusives also. So far Itunes is #1 and MS xbox service #2. Sony has alot to think about before they enter the market and find themselves in a Itunes, MS, Vongo, Cinema now, PS vod battle.
N4G mods, please start using that banhammer.
The problem I have with sony is that there are too many talking heads. Each disagrees with the other. Then the other fires back. IF the ps3 has failed it is not the system it is not the price its that sony has no internal team. Its everyone that wants to out do each other.
We have Jack here on Kotaku stating that he is upset with VOD. Yet In an interview with Joystiq where they asked him about the VOD and blu-ray. Kaz stated theres nothing yet the conversation is a what are we going to do stage.
Heres the link
"Well I think there's still a general demand for digitally distributed things like TV shows or movies regardless of how unique the experience is. I think people like the experience of being able to rent a movie at home directly. Right now you have the Xbox 360 maybe at some point in the future Apple will enable it in the Apple TV, but Sony seems peculiarly able to do this, not only because you guys own movies, but also in terms of the hardware you have available...
Kaz: Not only that, we also have the infrastructure in place as well. So the technology [road]blocks if you will, and the client side -- its all there, but you know again, we may ultimately decide a straight solo store is the best way to go, because, you know, we may have a lot of internal discussions on this between your recording -- maybe there is still a lot of demand for just a straightforward download service and we may end up doing that ultimately. So again, it's not something that we decide we're just not gonna do, it's something we want to do, but we want to do it right, and if the right answer means we just do a straightforward download [service] that may be the solution, so that's kind of where we're at. Are we planning something? Absolutely. When I say, "I'm planning something" and you say, "When's that gonna launch?", well it's up for discussion.
It seems pretty obvious that this should have happened a very long time ago. Now thinking a few steps ahead it just seems like there's just too much of a reliance on physical media -- what's the point of having downloadable 1080p movies for PS3 if you have Blu-ray discs, what's the point of having downloadable movies for PSP if there's UMD? So it seems like you keep on saying, "It's happening, it's happening," but to me it just seems like, "No, get it on one of our physical medias."
Kaz: As I said before, exactly your point, that's exactly the kind of discussions we're having internally, we may ultimately decide that that's the right answer and in which case the ingredients are in place, but you need to come to the determination that we're embarking on the right strategy, so that as I said before jokingly, that Jack is not asked next year, "What is so unique [about your service]? Everybody can download to 1080p.""
http://www.joystiq.com/2007... But what they need to do is sit down and plan what they are going to say.
Frankly I do not know of an instance where this has happened with nintendo and Microsoft this generation.
They need to get their stories straight but they can't.
(Not on the "price cut"--where the euro guys undercut the US crew's snow job--and not on VOD.)
Both guys obviously have different agendas and they're fighting over this and in public no less.
Thing is Tretton has to answer for US sales--where MS is raking in decent money ($125Million in 8 months) off VOD--while Kaz is in Japan where the corporate focus is all on BD.
Sounds like Tretton is trying to go over his boss's head by taking the discussion public.
That sort of thing doesn't usually end well.
Oftentimes the *big* boss--in this case Stringer-- steps in and just cleans house, firing everybody involved.
So, yes; they need to get their stories straight and soon...
We all do something but feels some what dissappointed is some results we made.
You guys stink of it, been stinking of it all year. You know what it smells like? loser, thats what it smells like.
Know why Sony cant make up thier mind about DLC? because it goes against Sony's Blu-Ray bus. Sony is pushing the importance of Blu-Ray and this would just make Sony admit what we all knew in the first place. That you don't need Blu-Ray or HD DVD for games and you don't need Blu-Ray or HD DVD for HD movies.
Sony = Lies and propoganda, with a steaming pile of bullsh!t
EDIT: to THE HIVE MIND below AAAHAHAHAHAHA I cant believe your telling people to grow up with a post like that. You must be a "droid" not liking the bad Sony news. HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!
Hey lemmings is a cool game! it requires good timing and brain power!
Fanboys hate lemmings because they dont have the brains to play it so they call everyone lemmings...Cyber Doofus get a life.
VOD will compete with Blu-Ray. What's the point of having a Blu-Ray player if I can download movies to my hard drive? VOD is the future and Sony's going to push it off as long as possible in order to re-coup their investment on developing Blu-Ray. Sony's finally going to win a format war just as format's become obsolete.
They really aren't comparable. I know people who have VOD at home on their TVs but still go out to rent and buy DVD's. When you buy a Blu-ray you get to keep it for good and you can take it with you wherever you go. If you but something VOD, thats where it stays. Would you rather buy a MP3 that only sat on your computer or a Cd that could be played anywhere? Didn't think so. Blu-ray will be fine even with VOD on the PS3. The stand alone Blu-ray player will be hella cheap this time next year. So they can easily co-exist.
why do all you little immature kids populate and gather in these F*** holes called forums
i mean serously do none of you have lives to live
you sit there and bash one another about who has a gayer concole
do you enjoy having your conconle f*CK you in the @$$?
serously these forums belong to gamers
no wagon riders
so do us all a favor try to grow up
if your below 13 hit puberty and then try again
please the NUT LICKER that goes by the name G-Reddy
dude you really just need to jump off a cliff
and try not to survive
your comments are STALE.
Try the "ignore" button.
I agree with you, but you need to calm down. (=
how could anyone have that much faith in a BIG BLACK $600 Dollar BRICK that has no games and if it does no one wants to play them, Jack Tretton tried to Start SH** with Peter Moore but peter just said whatever proof that Sony is Childish and Pathetic
Please stop wasting your time hating on a consumer electronics product. It's a MACHINE. If you don't like it then go play Xbox 360 or Wii and leave PS3 owners alone. If you think they're wasting their time playing on an (in your opinion) inferior system, then thats fine. But please stop ruining this great website with your fanboy garbage.
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