What it's essentially saying is that a single SPU is 50% faster than a 3Ghz Core2 at DP FLOPS despite the fact that the Core 2 has about 4-5x higher theoretical peak and a similar transistor count advantage...
Explained after the jump
This must be why the PS3 can't even manage 60 fps on a football game, and the 3-core 360 does so consistently. :o
hmmm.. i thought it was the software programming that made those things available... ahhh silly me
http://www.ps3power.com/xbo... yay, our computer can crunch numbers. Sometimes though, I kinda wish it could play games.
Oh no RISK my fellow sony fan you have embarresed us both!!!really, computers use numbers? Thanks fellow sony follower. Maybe we should have thought about graphics processors and memory support so our machine would be more than a calculator but rather, put images on the screen that look good like a "game machine", just a thought. I bought mine thinking it would have memory for graphics I'm glad your happy with a calculator though. YOU MUST HAVE JUST FORGOT ABOUT HOW VIDEO GAME MACHINES NEED TO DISPLAY IMAGES thats ok. But you do realize that your statment below there is completeyl false RIGHT? People agreed with you is what makes it sad.
every computer executes programs in binary, which is numbers, so ur statement "yay, our computer can crunch numbers. Sometimes though, I kinda wish it could play games." is acctually false, as everything is crunching numbers to a computer. it does not understand english.
"PS3 Cell = 4-5 times faster than 2xQUAD CPU single percision, about 1.5 x faster @ Dp" + Blu-ray + Standard Harddrive + Wifi + Sixaxis+ Rsx + Me = KILLZONE 2
Guy's the power of the Ps3 has already been proven at E3. Ps3 had the best looking games of all the consoles. Halo 3 looked garbage, Mass effect was OK at best, Too Human was garbage, Project Gotham 4 = 30fps. I mean come on. Compared to even Lair, the Graphics of every other game on the Xbox 360 looks like something i drew in 1st grade.
And let me not even get started on Heavenly Sword, Gran Turismo, Drakes Fortune, Motorstorm, ***"Metal Gear Solid 4"*** and etc. etc, and etc. All these games compared to what 360 has out in 2 years except Gears is really just phenomenal. And even more amazing is that the ps3 has only been out since last November--Less than a year? and it took a Year to Achieve Gears of War but it takes less than a year to achieve Unreal Tournament on the Ps3, which is much better than Gears.
Wow, the Ps3 is a monster and all Devs, biased and unbiased, will realize is really capable of ushering the new generation of HD gaming.
You can talk about ports all you want, but How many games from the 360 can even compare to all the games of the ps3 that aren't ports? Halo 3? Nothing but Hype. Killzone 2, nothing but the future.
Killzone 2 for the Win Baby!
The 60 fps rate are achieved due to the game engine used and how the Devs program the SGM (scene graph management), so, if any game in PS3 aren't using 60 fps is because that developers don't have yet the skills needed or because they did the game for 360 and then ported to PS3 and we have a few games like that.
With time Devs are getting into Cell "secrets" and gamers start to get even more quality and fps rates.
More devs have had more experience with the 360, so the ports will look the same or better on the 360 until the devs familiarize themselves with the ps3. Then when that happens, more Ps3 games will be ported to the 360 for the sake of making the best game possible without sacrificing quality and features do to xbox 360's lack of a standard hard drive and Dvd9. Think about what you can do with a standard hard drive, Ps3 cell + Rsx, which are both capable of rendering graphics, and Blu-ray. The Ps3 has an arsenal and by 2008 and 2009, xbox 360 will be nothing compared to the PS3's power. Great words of wisdom General, Ps3 FTW.
IBM's offcial documnetation here
http://www-03.ibm.com/devel... http://forum.beyond3d.com/s... OMFG>>>>>>. ..HOLLY HELL
this is madness
This is why factor 5 said that "Cell has no limit"
NGS runs at 1080p at 60fps
RR7 runs at 1080p at 60fps.
bribes and dirty marketing can buy exclusive content for GTA 4 and grabage 360 footabll games run at 30 fps on ps3!!!!!!!!!!
but bribes cant win FF13/MGS4.
bribes cant change the fact that ps3 is 10x more powerful than x360.
KILLZONE 2 kills all x360 games out there
The idea in that article is very true. But to be fair one can say that same kind of optimization will happen with 360 also.
But how much can be squeezed outta each system remains to be seen. As a guess I'd say PS3 has more potential because of it's parallel nature - which makes the optimization more difficult and therefore can be assumed to be at an early stage at the moment.
come on take off the damn sony glasses. you sony fans keep agreeing with each other going KIllzone FTW! PS3 FTW!! wtf is that crap I swear to Jesus Christ Almighty i didnt act like that when i was 7 saying how mario was better then sonic. at least then i was a 7 year old kid arguing about which game was better; you all like all the games on 1 system and crap all over the other systems games saying "boohoohoo those games are CRAP! my system has CELL powers and RSX supercharger with XENON exhaust and RROD rims lolz my stuff FTW!" both consoles are good, try playing them
The PS3 forums. There's an unbiased source for news.
its a very reliable source, its full of xbox 360 ppl as well as ps3 ppl
i love how so random dude just makes up conclusion on hardware he really knows nothing about.
love how the "NEWS" is actually anonymous fans going back and forth on a web forum. tite
Actually they can't do 60FPS because of the memory contraints on PS3, instead of graphics renders staying available through memory they have to program the SPE's to keep re-rendering them , this is why it is more difficult to program in order to match 360 and very hard for a smooth 60FPS.
the RSX GPU renders the frames, not the SPUs. The SPUs calculate geometry, lighting, and set up the frames for RSX. Most of the framerate problems we've seen are in 360 titles anyway, so your argument is mute. Hell, even Gears of War has an inconsistent framerate.
I saw this title and it did make me laugh. Both the PS3 and Xbox 360 can't out perform a dual core processor let alone a quad core processor.
it can outperform it.it can do more math operation and can crunch more streaming data.
TO SONY FAN: you are blind LOL! look. its killzowned!
you bringing up again the memory of the ps3. get over it. 360 and ps3 have the same. 512.
Proof? Cite sources, please.
Zedane you are oversimplifying it. What I am about to say has nothing to do with which machine is "better" so don’t pull a bunch of fanboy flame crap on me. I own both and I am not a fangirl like most of the people in the post. The 360 has 512 Megs of ram that can be "shared" between the gpu and the CPU. The ps3 has 256megs for the gpu and 256 for the gpu. The 360 has the advantage in the ram department due the ability to load balance the use of its ram. Again this doesn’t make it better or fast. The cpu in the ps3 is much more powerful that the 360 cpu, the gpu in the 360 is more powerful than the ps3 gpu. What this means is stop being children and bickering about stupid tech specs that half of you dont even slightly understand. In the end the "gamers" will play games and the fangirls will fight over stupid tech spec. Being a single system owner = raving fangirl.
General are you the new head fanboy now? Great logic (you should wiki that word). Jin and nasim cant carry the torch so you are taking it up?
the majority of Game Devs say CPU in PS3 is stronger, GPU in 360 is stronger, and I tend to trust them over MS, SONY, ps3forums, etc. judge the rest by the games not stupid spec test and junk that has no value. when did fans impersonating game devs become cool? tired of reading these opinions from people that havent worked on a PS3 or 360 once, and even if they have that doesnt make them an expert. also, no matter what these systems pump out they are limited by 512 MB of Ram; this is why PC can already give sharper textures and grphx then consoles no matter what a cell or xenon says.
If there is a hamster inside my PS3 providing power by running on a wheel. I don't care what is inside my PS3. I CARE about what it produces, and if it can make KZ2 happen, then keep running hamster.
Bubbles for you. this comment made me LOL
The cell processor is an awesome chip. Can you imagine what they'll be able to do with it in a few years?
Atleast its reliable and look at killzone to its in its pre pre alpha stage not to mention ut3, haze, lair, uncharted, heavenly sword, folklore, mgs4, hotshot golf, wipe out, infamous, ratchet and clank, gt5, white night story( name could be wrong), the two final fantasy games, and many more!
why the ps3 will only go so far,
my computer out classes it so well because of my ram,
it is gateway quad 3.2ghz core, with 4gigs ddr2 RAM,and two geforce 8800 gtx, 1.5gigs GPU
the ps3 has 512mb RAM, and for GPU the rsx is 256mb,
and yes that is true
but regardless of core speed my computer is more powerful
even if it can out perform my cpu
I envy your computer..for some reason. How much that cost ya?
i know it is most likely out dated by now, i always buy Gateway as of now they're the only company that sells a pc with 4gigs RAM and it cost me just under 7000, everybody says i could of built it for like half that but i'm an idiot, and today is my day off i work 65+ hours a week i live on a farm in ohio it is actually good money
hmm... someone tell me why you disaggree with my purchase and my job.. i can see why someone would disaggree with my other comment since people don't want their console to have a single weakness
It's funny how you want to compare a $2400 system, UT3 will be identical on your PC and PS3....All that power and money just to play a game that looks the same on a $600 console. I would of kept quiet because now everyone is going to think you're a retard.
your computers' specs make me want to cry. do they have any games yet that take advantage of, and truly need those specs? crysis is built for one core, your PC is gonna kill that game hah. i think youre pretty well off for years of PC gaming man
nice to no really if its true
The PC processors out now are far more advanced than both the 360 and the PS3
These console processors are stripped down variants of their PC counterparts.
They can't do things even a primitive Pentium 2 can do like read out of order instructions.
And since when is a PS3 forum reply news? Can you say "biased"??
do i need ferrari to stay in traffic?
even if it was 20 times faster, programmers need to learn how to code for cell first, for core 2 programming is more clear thats why we have fps drops on PS3 and by the time ppl will learn how to programm cell we will have more powerfull cpus in our desktops
pc processors are more advanced? general purpose definitely the cell sucks at, optimized code no way a computer is gonna catch up
Edit: I lost a bubble can I please have a new one?
and a little game called KILLZONE 2
All NOT possible on the 3FixMe in one form or another..HAHAHAHAH
yeah you keep saying what it cant do, but its capable of cg graphics, and your sh1t core cant do anything of the sort, you keep saying that the cell cant do this or that, but there are games that arent even tickling the ps3, like metal gear, drakes fortune, ratchet and clank, and killzone, and you have GT5, they all look like movies, so please those are only the beginning for the ps3, so if your pcs are so powerfull, and your 180 can outperform the ps3, then why arent your machines troppling these games? i mean you keep talkin all that sh1t about stuff not running so and so fps, like i said for a long time, those weakling graphics in multiplatform games arent meant for ps3, the graphics seen this e3 are the beginning for ps3, cg is more down ps3 style, cutscene ingame, movie level graphics, not these weakling graphics from these multiplatform games, all you pc fans can come up with to combat ps3 is crysis, and that has been made old news this e3, and for the development time, and budget also the workforce of that game, thats embarrasing, so please of course nothing is in the league of supercomputer gaming, thats why your pcs and 180s cant compete, so this article is right, just he understated ps3, so deal with the truth
and you forgot metal gear solid bill gates, also ratchet and clank
well somebody also said that by the time they learn how to optimize the cell correctly pcs will already have more powerful gpus. that really wont matter son, until your pcs enter supercomputer phase, that wont really matter, and from the looks of e3, developers are already digging into this bottomless pit of a processor, the cell and the rest of the ps3 aint ever maxing out, so please, your pc will get stronger, but the ps3 is growing, and still hasnt displayed anywhere near 10%, just watch killzone 2, but in 8 months, it will trash that old trailer as it already has, so get ready
The Xbox 360s 3-core processors have an uncanny amount of efficiency.
“Rather than separate pixel and vertex pipelines, we’ve created a single unified pipeline that can do both. Providing developers throw instructions at our architecture in the right way, Xenos can run at 100% efficiency all the time, rather than having some pipeline instructions waiting for others. For comparison, most high-end PC chips run at 50-60% typical efficiency. The super cool point is that ‘in the right way’ just means ‘give us plenty of work to do’. The hardware manages itself.”
This is a little hypebole its actually somewhere around 95-98% efficiency aka it can use 98% of the advertised power all the time its in use.
Your an idiot and deserve to have your tongue and fingers cut off.
If it gets maxed out so quickly. Enjoy having the same quality looking game forever while PS3 games expand and grow.
Well if it was a PS3 Forums post then this must be true. =)
Did you know the PS3 can do 120fps and can give you 4D graphics??
As a PS3 owner posts like this and fanboy rants about it make us all look bad. Stop trying so damn hard! =)
With my feet firmly based in reality every indication is that the systems are fairly close in power when utilized for gaming. The new stuff Sony is showing I believe can be down on the 360 and vice-versa it really is up to the devs.
That we only see posts from PS3 forums submitted as news? Xbox forum post never even get submitted, let alone approved.
There are about 15 Sony Fanboys that have 15 different accounts.
There's a bit of a rumor going around that the PS3 will be the lead platform for Madden 09 based on a G4 interview. Who's to say if this is true or not, but I thought it was interesting to note.
60fps is achievable on the PS3 (as there are games that are currently running very well at that speed), it's all up to the developers.
Yes, i believe, PONG and PACMAN can be done 60fps on teh ps3 using the cell thingamagik.
the 360 isnt comming out til...........2011, but that still wont equall ps3, and the 180 currently out, it can do the things ps3 can do, all of them, but it will be in super mario for nes form of graphics, if you really thought the 180 could do cg graphics ingame, then you are the one that needs a tech lesson, yes the two can do the same, the 180 and ps3 are about as equal as united states land mass is in comparisson to russia, you believe that if you will, but look even dumber comming in the later months and years, you dont even know that as good as killzone looks, it still isnt tickling the system, thats why they are confident and said that,"we haven seen anything", because the game is growing at a rapid rate, as has all ps3 game development, ps3 is a bottomless pit, 180 is a dead end road, and the dead end that 180 hit was gears of war, even though it was a violation since they exceeded the dead end, so if gears is over the max the system can handle, how do you really expect them to run the games sony showed at the show, and besides killzone surpassed the original trailer, 180 cant come close to the killzone trailer, so really the 180 can match ps3? really a high end pc at the most, matching up equally to supercomputer, and more? dont make me laugh til i have a headache child, i am praying for you
I been holding off on this for a while, (well to be honest I did post this in one of the threads where someone said that a quad core CPU would slaughter the Cell when it come out). Anyway it is offically benchmarked that the following comparison has been made for 2xWoodcrest quad and Dual Blade Cell.
The results where:
Quote:IBM just published a paper about a financial app on Cell, their end result was a Dual Cell blade beating a dual Xeon (Woodcrest, quad core) by 11X on single precision, 3X on double precision.
Thanks to Adex on Beyond3d for this one:
(more details and great discussion on the seeming impossibility of these results on beyond3d and why the Cell is just that much faster).
Just wanted to add this quote to see the impact of this test:
Quote:What its essentially saying is that a single SPU is 50% faster than a 3Ghz Core2 at DP FLOPS despite the fact that the Core 2 has about 4-5x higher theoretical peak and a similar transistor count advantage. Sounds a bit ludicrous to me.
Just goes to show that Cell = can get to its theoretical peak, X86 is lucky to get even half its theoretical peak.
Ok now what the hell has this to do with the Cell and the PS3 its a blade comparison you idiot Terra? (you may very well post, but I am prempting you ahah!)
Ok the blade is exactly the same as your Cell in your PS3 except that its 1xCell instead of 2xCell and your PS3 Cell also has one redundant SPU and one locked for the OS.
Sooooo taking in mind that single percision is the most important we will look at this first.
This means that optimised code for the Cell PS3 > Optimised code for 2xquad CPU by about 4 or 5 single percision.
If you half 11, you get about 5 maybe 6, now take off the (2) SPU's and your down to about 4-5 probably closer to 4.
So your Cell processor for optimised code (including games) will still be better than optimised code for 2xQuad set up.
However most games are not optimised for a particular PC CPU's due to the fact that games need to be compatible on previous cores i.e. from single core, double core, to quad etc. This means that while first party game and physics will allways be optimised for the PS3 (especally later on in life cycle) your PC cannot do the same. Meaning that the 4x greater will become maginatudes greater (twice, three times the amount????).
Most suprising at all but the least relevant if we follow my logic above even in double percision 1 Cell is about the same or `1.5 times faster than a 2xQuad core.
THUS CELL PS3 = AT LEAST 4x speed in single percision over 2xQuads and with no optimisation (to the same degree as Cell anyway) the gap will be even more apparant.
That means your probably looking at something like 4xQuad to 6xQuad to equal the speed that Cell is capable of processing games.
Which finally means that Cell is going to be allot stronger than your average PC for the next couple of years at least!!!
Wow..Nice, but strangely my 1 1/2 year old self assemebled, Core duo 2 E6600 2.4 @ 3.4 ghz and 7950GPU can make BF2142 run at 1440x900 rez with all settings at max and 4x AA and still run at 80-100fps. The quality of which is not possible on either 360 or ps3.
People are freaking out trying to prove the PS3's power. Can we get a game that will do this please? I'm sick of whacked out fan boys pissy little rants and fits over the PS3. 7 millon to catch up!!! LOL
PC and XBOX 360 rule. HA oh yeah and the Wii too.
Wow, how does a post on a forum get put up as valid news? I love how backs it up will all sorts of research. I am sorry but this news reeks of bias and I am very disappointed that this got posted as "News". Bloodmask its good to know someone else on this forum knows something about processors. Anyone else notice how he tossed around the word "Theoretical" in EVERY sentence. I am not saying the cell isn’t a beast, it surely is and it IS more powerful than the 360 CPU but I will take qx6800 over a cell any day. This is fanboy news for fanboys that know nothing about tech.
My only wish is that even though the Cell is super fast and all...I wish Nvidia would have made the RSX with G80 architecture.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE GAMES?
The PS3 really isn't a console, but a computer!
so how was the cave u were hiding in?
The return of the mart? What happened during E3 2007?
When they showed of Killzone 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4 and the rest of the Ps3 Fall line up?
You and every other hardcore 360 fanboy disappeared. And the few 360 fanboys who were left were trying to setup up polls on why this was the worst E3 yet. LOLLLL.
In fact I'm trying to setup a poll on how long a 360 fanboy can hide for every time they are proven wrong.
dude seriously why do you have to sound all bitter to the 360 did it never call you back or something?
Unless the test is a GAME running on quad cores vs. SAME GAME running on PS3, these tests are crap and just fanboy flamebait.
More Sony BS from a Sonylover!!!!!
Its a shame really, hell John Carmack said that the PS3 isnt efficient for gaming!
Army of Two:
PS3: can barely do 30FPS!
Makes you wonder..........if it has to do with the developers and their lazyness or the fact that the system is only 60% efficient and is affecting the over all FPS it can output!
So in your opinion why is some software running comfortably at 60fps? I personally think they are just not taking the time to push the system, because all of the in house stuff runs at 60fps.
I think it is kinda sad that almost every 360 owner who manages to drag themselves away from such a vast collection of games has to putdown the PS3.
Sign...Anyone with half a brain would know that PC's have always outperformed consoles, its no different now. Look at Crysis, it could be done on a console like the 360 or PS3 but they would possibly need to dumb down some stuff to get it to run well. The fact is, neither the Cell or the Xenon will ourperform a Dual core proccessor or a quad core processor, its silly to think that they will.
That is why this is so funny. My co workers and I are rolling right now. LOL
Another fact about Fony Faeces3. Its faster than my V6 3.8liter Lumina car.
this is why ps3 cost what it does nex gen not last gen cost money we all know its a great bit of kit you don,t spend over a billion dollars investment on junk unless its a 360 12 million fire crackers
A paper written by IBM touting performance for an IBM product. And I am sure if Intel wrote a paper they would have their own test results showing their processor on top.
So where is the independent test results? You know...by a company that has NO vested interest. Let's test ALL aspects of both chips and not just the good numbers that float up to the top.
Cell's memory is 5x faster than traditional PC RAM, as well as having such high internal bandwidth between the PPU and SPUs. Killzone, as well as a bunch of other PS3 titles, prove that STI built the most powerful CPU in the world.
Maybe if ps3 had the system architecture to fully utilize the cell, maybe. But they don't, what a suprise! The ps3 will only run 60% max of what it can do ever. All fony did was slap the cell, rsx together without even strategizing how effective it would be. The rsx is a big joke. nVidia came out with two series gpu's before the ps3 came out. ps3 is a bottleneck system. Imagine a funnel. Great potential up top but then slowly trickles out the bottom. Low memory bandwith. Let's put it this way, if ps3 were all that and stuff, why would let's say Dreamworks use the cell to make their movies? At the end of the credits it says used by AMD opteron. Steve Jobs at apple laughed at fony when they tried to get him to use the cell when Apple was shopping for processors BECAUSE IBM WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Who did they go to? Intel, that's right. AMD is coming out with their Barcelona soon which is essentially an opteron that performs 20-33% faster. You can't possibly say that the ps3 is going to outperform even a Core 2 Duo (2.4 ghz) with 2 GB corsair (1.5 ghz) ram with an 8900 Ultra sli. You are really whacked out and on some serious dope if you think that.
btw even Hideo Kojima says that it was TECHNICALLY POSSIBLE to run MGS4 on 360. Haze is coming for 360. If there was any SERIOUS potential, I'm sure game developers would take advantage of cell. You can put anything on paper and those numbers state what it could "THEORETICALLY" do. NOTHING EVER PERFORMS TO THEIR MAX!
IF you have the balls and you know how to program the PS3...you will always make a game that is better than anything possible on the Xbox 360. It is a fact...why is anybody denying this? You are limited to 9 GB of disc space on the Xbox 360...you are limited to 50 GB of bluray space on the PS3...but you also can stream from the harddrive...so you have whatever space is there to speed up your game loading times.
The Cell can process graphics like the RSX...it both of them can get to the 256 megs of ram on the video and main ram...
MGS4 may be possible.but what sacrifices have to be made to achieve it on 360?how many discs?how large are the levels?how many enemies onscreen?
more power means more ability to do more.if you program correctly.
it is why sony invested billions to produce the cell with other companies.moore's law is haunting us to this day.cell tries to sidetrack it.
as for crysis,look what you have to buy to get it to look that way.surely not the same price you would buy a $499 ps3 for.you got to pull out your wallet for crysis's requirements.
you need a great computer,a great graphics card,a great sound card,a great controller,enough ram.the laundry list keeps piling up.
there's no comparison when you try to compare pcs to consoles.one is dedicated and closed.one is open ended.
360s are made of junk which is why they are all breaking right now. Developers are forced to write crap for it that allows games to function without an HD.
Rockstar games has already complained about that!
So now games are coming out that look and play better than the 360 and someone authors an article that explains how it is in fact much superior than the 360.
Your answer then is to blame N4G for it because you don't think it's true.
I'll see the people with intelligence on HOME, the rest of you can keep sending your pile of junk back to MS for repairs.