THE CELL PROCESSOR is steadily being shoved out the door of IBM plants, despite reports of poor yields.
Sources have informed the Inq that IBM executives have told employees within the firm, that yields are "on or above" targets.
so which is it?
on or above?
does it matter?
ON is GOOD and ABOVE is BETTER, ya dig???
um dude, you have NO idea where i'm going with this. there's a BUNCH of comments below that could use your fanboy idiocy. how bout you get to it?
how about you make some sense zypher?
i think the process is normal. its a good news. this shows everything goes well !!! thats nice, i cant wait for my ps3.
It doesn't tell you how many they've successfully produced, nor what their definition of an acceptable yield is.
their being produced
It's wise not pay any attention to anything Sony and friends say until, you can see and touch, feel, smell taste, play, open and see for you're self ect. With Sony the truth is often different from news/hype/repots that come out before the product.
well, you have to believe SOME of it; otherwise you wouldn't be here posting about it. if you believe its a lie then why is it worth commenting about?
you guys WOULD be abit hesitant to believe something like this, but if a bad rumour against sony popped up, OH! It's gotta be true because blah, blah, blah
That's fun. Targets at this moment where 10 to 20% with redundancy 20 to 40 %.
So I guess if they're on that targets it's probably 20 to 40%. Better then it was, but still to low. If it really was normal yield of close to 90% they would have said it with hard numbers. Now they don't it tells enough:
Still bad yields. And costs for sh*tty chips have to be paid
you have no idea what the actual yield are and what the normal yields are, for sure not 90%.
So if they're not for sure are close to 90%, what is it then Achira, tell us as you seem to know better!
Sony can make a piece of sh1t look like a pot of Gold. Listen folks. 20% yields are normal because we said so. We are Sony and we change standards. Sure 97% yields use to be the norm. But now 20% yields is. lol....Oh, Ok Sony. Same deal folks. Look guys...this piece of sh1t on the ground is not dog poop. Its really a pot of Gold. Because Sony said so. I'm just curious which fan boys would actually pick up the pile of dog sh1t and try to cash it in at their local bank. lol....maam I would like to make a deposit. Then plopping the pile of steamy dog sh1t on the tellers counter. lol..... WTF is going on. 20% yields just don't sound good. I'm sorry if that offends anyone. That is what this thread is about right?
The article title is "IBM says Cell production is now going well." It doesn't mention Sony saying that yields were good. Sony doesn't care what percentage IBM is getting, as long as they're delivering the chips to the manufacturers of the consoles and that Sony gets it's contracted amounts of consoles on time and in working order.
IBM is the one stating that it is going well, meaning according to plan. This is a completely new processor design that they expected to have low yields on until they can improve the manufacturing efficiency, unlike the 360 CPU which was an evolution of previous designs. The Cell processor is completely different than anything IBM has manufactured before. All they're saying is that things are on target right now, and they expect to get higher yields (once again according to plan) as time goes on. It would stand to reason that when IBM comes out with different evolutions of the Cell processor with more or less SPU's, in the years to come, that they will have a higher yield due to it being an established process.
for chips with 7~8 working SPEs (7 is required for PS3). To compare, AMD 64 processors have a yield of 40%, which is pretty high in the chip industry. These chips are made on silicon wafers and aren't very big.
The best part is, Toshiba can use Cell chips that only have 5~6 working SPEs for HDTVs and whatnot. There's no use in saying 'Sony lies' all over again when the news deals with IBM.
Since 10 to 40% yields became The Real Deal lol
Did I talk about anyone? Nope. Do I ever? Nope. So why must sony fans Jock me? This is how a simple dscusson of an article turns personal and off topic. Every post I hav made thus far has been on topic...Now you start with this. lol....typical. Don't start no sh1t there won't be no sh1t.
The point is sony will have something to show come november 17th
We shall see. We shall see.
You are right, we don't know for sure what normal yields are. But we do know what IBM has stated about the yields for their chip. But 40% is an "F" in school. 40% just don't sound good even with that being a high for them. Thats just not acceptable any way you look at it. Sony can spin it how ever they want but 10 to 20% is just plain disgusting.
This is not Sony spinning it at all, this is a statement from IBM. In addition, no numbers were giving regarding numbers for these yields, so how can anyone be certain that the yields have not improved from where they were. Manufacturing yields increase dramatically over a very short time. Speaking with a member of the manufacturing team at Intel early last year, he was mentioning to me that they can completely retool their manufacturing to a new product in roughly a 24 hour time frame and already be at more than acceptable yields. Considering IBM is the largest hardware manufacturer in the world, I don't doubt their ability to dramatically increase yields in a relatively short time frame.
Some people saying not to believe these people were the same ones bashing ps3 when they said the cell yields were low. Now that they say something good, oh dont believe them now. Idiots.
That inquirer better watch what they say before they get sued by a REAL company.
10 to 40 % is still low. And nobody is bashing the ps3. We are commenting on the low yields. Read the article. Read the title of the article. Thats what we are commenting on. Thats the purpose of this site. lol...lol...lol....
I'll wait for the real deal to come out, instead of listening to the Real Deal now.
And no I don't expect their cell yields to reach 2 teraflops.
How we seem to forget the 360 had the same problems after it was released. How people tend to forget things so quickly...oh wait because this news is for the PS3 and it has to be esculated 1000%.
This thread isn't about the 360. If you want to post about the 360 go to the 360 side of the site...lol...lol...lol...
And since you brought it up its now fair game. The 360 never had yields of less than 40 %. Neva eva. If you say it did. Please post a link. You won't find one. MS used 3 cores instead of one. But they are cores that are tested and proven. Not experiements in the making. Thats why the yields are low. It probably is normal for a new untested cpu. But someone has to pay for it. Sony fans are paying for Sony's grand experiment. You are paying for potential remember. Thats what Sony said. I want to pay for quality and NOW.
Maybe the 360 did have yield problems, maybe thats what caused the XBOX shortages.
Also quit being so one sided for a change. You claim to be neutral, but no one ever sees you correct any 360 folks. But I know I know you don't see it that way because your "The Real Deal".
zypher: You do have a point i do believe some of it. examlpe: i believe Sony came up with the Cell. lol
i'm just trying to figure out how you don't believe Sony, yet you're willing to "waist your time" reading news concerning stuff they say. thats all. i just find it weird that most of the XBox articles have little by way of feedback, whereas Sony's articles are plagued with negative Microsoft-fan feedback. case in point:
Bungi will announce new game at X06: 2 Hours ago: 11 comments
IBM says Cell production going well: 1 Hour ago: 42 comments
it seems to me that it would be more worth discussing news from a credible developer--such as Bungie--about a new game, than discussing Sony's lies, according to you. between the two camps (Sony fanboys and Microsoft fanboys) one of them are scared. considering how feedback seems to go on this site, i'm starting to believe that it's Microsoft fanboys who are scared...or at least worried.
It's just fun to see how Fony fans follow them blindly.
Why would you believe Sony after all the lies from PS2.
And all the same lies on PS3?
Like having the best graphic power on PS2? Was a lie
Like having a great online experience on PS2? That was a lie
Like having 2 x HDMI on PS3? LIE
Like all games in 1080p? LIE (only the GT4 HD smugged up PS2 DEMO should be in 1080p according to Sony. All other games are on 720p). Step in the REAL HD area. Right Sony
3 Gigabit Ethernet ports? LIE
CGI image of E3 2005 real ingame footage? LIE
So please, please tell my why anything that SOny says could be true? Maybe you can tell me that the things above are not true? You know it all:
Sony overpromises and is underdelivering
you have STILL not answered my question. i'm not attacking or defending Sony. i'm just trying to figure out why it's fun seeing "Fony" fans believe them? i come to this site strictly to get news (and to set some people straight when they error). when i read analyst comments like "PS3 will still dominate over the Wii/360" or "New Poll shows Public like 360 more than PS3" i don't even bother reading or replying to it. quite simply i have better things to do with my time than to give merit to something i don't believe by waisting my time reading about it. i post on this site from work, because quite simply i have nothing else to do besides work. but when i go home i seldom come to this site. why: because i'm busy with either my PS2 or my 360. to me that just seems the funner thing to do than to listen to "Fony" fanboys believe "Fony's Lies".
No sorry to correct you but the 360 didn't have low yields with its processor. That is what we are talking about right? Now as far as shortages the 360 had it was due to it being a complex piece of hardware. many 1000's of parts go into making it. its not easy to mass produce them. And the ps3 even more so. From what I read even more delicate parts than the 360 has. So thats a whole notha topic as far as putting them together in mass quantities. This article and my commnents were directly about the Cell's low yields. And I don't correct 360 fans unless they direct something at me. Most of the time its their opinion based off of them actually playing the 360 and all the news on the ps3. Thats just the way it is. When the ps3 comes out then there are bound to be articles on IGN, Gamespot, ect...comparing games head to head. Its gonna be fun. lol...lol
cant wait till the PS3 comes out to see how much problems they will be having also i think PS fans have alot to worry once come launch.
I am nuetral but the facts aren't. Thats not my fault. If there was an article saying that the ps3 had 97% yields for its cell. you would here me say "GOOD NEWS". if there was an article about how they played a Moto storm and its mind blowing...you would hear me say..."wow, i'm going to have to check that game out". So don't blame the messenger for all the bad news. Blame Sony. They made all the ballzy decisions that may pay off or not.
But to be honest with the larger user base of PS2 that Sony keeps touting, shows the PS3 has a lot to deliver on... especially on the quality of the product name = Sony.
I had a faulty launch system. But I didn't rule out that I wouldn't have one. Microsoft handled me really well. I got the box in the mail the next day, sent my system out the same day, 2 days later the new system arrived. I hope Sony has a plan like this set up for the PS3. Because they know how to run Damage Control, now lets see them run Quality Control!
It's funny how some of you guy's are hopping and praying that somehow Sony is an completly different company from just 5 or 6 years ago. lol
Sony is a very different company than they were 5-6 years ago. They are going through massive restructuring as well as changes at many of the key positions in the company. I know this doesn't mean that some of what they've done in the past won't be repeated, but they are a VERY different company now. Regardless though, this topic is not about anything Sony has said, but what IBM has said.
Respect man! i didn`t attack u..calm down
See, MS launch is over. It was the most successful launch in History. Its done. 50 games on the market with Good, Great, and Outstanding reviews. Its done. 5 million the fastest. Its done. 4.5 games sold per console. its done. 3 games by may that sold a million plus. Its done. Now sony on the other hand. Is stumbling before the launch even happens. They have a lot of pressure on them and sony fans are feeling it. Will the reviews be good? Will there be enough games at launch? Will there be enough consoles at Launch? will people flock to buy a 600 dollar console? Will the games be good? Will the ps3 work? Will the blu ray portion of the system work? Will it break within a month? Will it break after warranty? Will the games match the second gen games coming out for the 360 at the same time? A lot of questions. Meanwhile 360 is cruzing in 4th gear and about to go into 5th gear and coast on the freeway. With Mass Effect and Gears of War leading the way. And when Halo 3 comes out...its hyper speed and no looking back. lol...
I totally agree with your post
"IBM executives have told employees within the firm, that yields are "on or above" targets.
its IBM saying this, not SONY. Also, once again, you are on a SONY article that has NOTHING to do with you. If they are saying now that the yields are on or above targets, how can any of your simple minded 360 fanboys say anyhitng negative, its NOT even by the company you HATE and despise so much, its FROM IBM. Come on people, get real.
there's no need to insult the intelligence of anyone here over their preferred choice of console...
Huh? so whats your other post name you go by? Starcraftrocks? Because I didn't even know you posted anything to me on this thread. lol....its coo...sony fans do that to make it seem like they have a big following. I won't call you names. I'm coo
Starcraftrocks only has one account, one name and i only have to say my opinion once. Don't taint my name with your asumptions and bad guesses.
True on that no doubt microsoft is coming strong this time around but as we know until the other 2 consoles joint in then we can see how the competition is gonna turn out..it`s gonna be nasty...what if sony changed price before launch?uuumm!
If sony changed the price before launch...that would definately rock the industry. lol....and thats being real.
I agree with andycapps....nuff said.
I would buy it regardless of what bad news is out about it. lol... There is just something about a half a grand or more that makes me think before I buy. I'm compulsive if its a few hundred. But thats just me. Not everyone is compulsive like that. Some their sweet spot is 200 and so on. My sweet spot for compulsive buying is 300 400 pushing it. But me, I loved the xbox. So it was a no brainer to get the 360.
with you on this one real deal because even if someone gave me a PS3 i would probly sell it and buy all things 360 because i aint rich and theres alot of good games coming out for the 360 and i dont want a seystem that cant live up to its hype.
At what point in beating a puppy clean to death with a sack full of its own hardened excrement does an inhuman like me begin to feel this emotion you call 'pity'? I don't know — that day may never come. But even I, monstrous and morally deformed as I may be, am beginning to feel sorry for Sony. Because now IBM's just flat-out saying that the Cell processor is way too expensive and complicated to make.
Tom Reeves, VP of semiconductor technology services at IBM, sez:
With chips that are one-by-one and silicon germanium, we can get yields of 95 percent. With a chip like the Cell processor, you're lucky to get 10 or 20 percent.
Our buddies over at Gizmodo inform us that this means that the PS3 will be available in very limited qualities (we already knew that) and that "Sony's going to be bleeding money on these chips."
Wow...I feel bad too. Thats sad folks. But Sony is to blame. Thats real. Sony made these choices to be different. Different isn't always better folks. Its a risk and developers dont like taking risks with their millions of dollars of dev money. They want proven high quality hardware. Sony can pay a few companies of to make exclusive games still. But they are doing it for the money. Not because they love working with it and it brings the best out of them as devs. lol....think about it.
I feel you on that one. If I had to choose one or the other...I would have to choose MS. But I blow money on stupid stuff all the time...lol....The 360 was by far the best 400 dollars I have ever spent.
except for that bagg of maui wowi i bought last month boy that was some bomb ass bud.lol
you all see why I direct all my comments directly towards the "so-called" Read Deal. There isn't a thing real about him, his post, or opinions made to seem like facts. He is on the PS3 section everyday ALLDAY and it's annoying when you can't intellegently debate with someone without them getting all "butt-hurt".
Everyone who is NOT biased will see this news as GOOD news, but still we have people bashing sony and PS3 here (even though it was IBM who said this). It doesn't matter if the news is GOOD these people who bash Sony will do it no matter what the news is because thats all they are here for.
Read starting from the first post and see that these fanboy's will stop at nothing to make ALL NEWS BAD NEWS!
dont even read his $hit guys hes alway says the same $hit.
the only solution is to ignore these ppl: therealdeal, themart. dont even read their propaganda. i thought i was a sony fanboy, but there a ppl out there are far more extrem, i think thats too extrem.
i find it disturbing that all this discussion and debating is centered around an article founded by the Inquirer.
I agree: It's a slap in the face to be suckered in to buying a product by a company that will lie to the consumers just to sell their stuff. I also would sell a PS3 if it was given to me for free, i just don't like PS games, dont like the feel of their past console's, hate the controllers , the use of analog is hehind the times in sensativity, ugly. Well you get the point. It's the god honest truth so don't bash me, remember if you are related to the PS3 then im sorry if i don't have kind words for PS.
thats your problem, noon does not care about your opinion. ms lied far more. you should not take every word to seriously.
Regardless of what good news come out there will still be people out there whose minds won’t change about the PS3. But it’s the other way around too. Honestly it’s coming to the point where people should just read the articles and disregard the comments. There are too many biased people here and it’s tough to get a truthful answer out of anyone.
Comment 31.1 is a perfect example of what i'm talking about.
but i only come here to speak the truth unlike someone that thinks he speaks the truth because his name is the "THE TRUTH".
The Truth is so biased he's convinced RFOM looks better than gears thats the truth.
Well if he thinks that RFOM looks better than Gears then that's his opinion. You don't have to agree with him, you must respect his choice, even if it is different from everybodys view on the game.
fanboys just can't cope with such mature logic. i for one agree wholeheartedly with you.
"The Truth is so biased he's convinced RFOM looks better than gears thats the truth."
I NEVER SAID THAT, please find a post where I ever said ANYTHING BAD about GOW! I actually think (thus far) GOW is best game comming out this year and has potential to raise the bar for all FPS's (and other gender as far as grafix). I will be there the day the game launches to play against/with everyone. I am excited about this game (even though it "may" be the last game I buy/play on 360). I hope it lives up to the overwhelming hype it's getting.
I won't!, thanks. I never seen somebody get Ass-hurt over a console deffending it all day making sure no one says anything bad about the PS3. Just never seen some body worried about somebodies opinion so much the start a crusade against a person.