Sony Sued Over Linux Removal, Case Documents Surface

It was reported earlier in the month that gamers were looking to sue Sony for the removal of the PS3 function to add your own 'OS' to your PS3. This removal caused an uproar in the gaming community and gamers sought to use the power of the legal system to get even with Sony. That day has finally come. As of yesterday, a lawsuit was filed against Sony on this very issue and gamers are looking to sue Sony over the removal of the Linux and 'OS' feature.

[playstation_clan]

You updated it, too bad buddy, case closed. Bring out the next case,

[solidjun5]

Hey Cylon, I guess you're the one who's mentally challenged.

[Rhythmattic]

Cylon,

As your Avatar, Name and General posts suggest, you live in a world of Fiction.

[Christopher]

From a legal technical standpoint, Sony is fully within their right.

At the point of sale, Sony offered you a device that you could perform various actions, but the majority of them requiring a PSN account that had its own ToS. That is listed on the box and documents you get when opening the PS3 case. So, the level of capability you are able to achieve with the item is based on your desire to comply with the ToS for PSN, which has two clauses on Sony's ability to add or remove features as they see necessary, both recently amended for more specificity of the type of updates allowed.

I can see why people are confused with the concept that just because it said so on the box, I should get it, but you're very wrong in this case. You have to read the fine print at all times.

Microsoft did the same thing with the Office 2007 lawsuit and removed the XML document feature from their software and took the software down from shelves until it could be updated to not include the XML feature.

Microsoft also did the same thing when they banned third-party memory devices. There exists a similar contract for third-parties in which they are allowed to create devices for the 360, but this included verbiage that cited Microsoft's ability to ban the use of any third-party device they find harmful to the Xbox experience.

The end result is that Sony is within their right and provided the necessary legal notices as to how they can manage the features on the device you purchased. Look at any electronic device you purchase today that includes software and you will see similar text in place to protect the company. Apple iPhones, Windows OS, Amazon Kindle, MMORPGs, and practically anything you can think of that involves software that's updated via the Internet.

I think the only thing that may come out of this is that Sony will make available a separate patch that can be loaded onto a USB flash drive of the firmware version prior to the one that removed OtherOS. This would be a way to allow for those who updated, even after reading two very obvious messages that informed them that if they updated it would remove the OtherOS feature during the update, to roll their system back to a point where they can have OtherOS and all the other features available at that time other than PSN online services.

[Shadowstar]

"They updated, they should have known!" I keep seeing this. Why?

I haven't updated. After reading through the new ToS, I haven't gone to a Sony PS3 site. Am I allowed to complain that I won't be able to play new games in a month or two?

I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. I don't want to give up games that I paid to be able to play on the system, and I don't want to give up the Other OS feature for which I paid. Sony is forcing me to choose... What's worse is that I don't see how Other OS, an advertised feature not essential to the gaming experience, is any different than BluRay, another advertised feature not essential to the gaming experience-- if they can remove one, why not another?

I'm probably going to give up eventually and just lose the functionality, but I'll be upset about it. They can add things all day, but asking me to give up something I paid for... no, sir, I don't like it.

[Christopher]

It's spelled out in very large words, twice, that if you do this update you will lose the OtherOS feature when you go to perform this update. It also details what you won't have access to if you don't perform the update.

You'd have to really not care about what is being installed on your machine to not take notice of the information they threw in your face with the update.

[gapecanpie]

I am glad Sony is being sued for removing the other OS feature and I hope Sony lose the case.

Sony has done nothing but piss me off this gen and I will not be buying a PS4 or whatever they will call it.

[tinybigman]

the otherOS feature was advertised on ads and commericals when the system launched? i dont ever remember an ad on tv saying you can install another OS all i see is them advertising games and movies.

i never even seen it in print.

[sikbeta]

"But...but da LiNøøZX on da otha OS Featurez, I can't usez da LiNøøZx even IF I DON'T KNOW How to USE The [TERMINAL]"

What a Waste of Time.

IF you AGREED with the TOS, there is nothing you can do, you want OtherOS, don't Update, if you don't update you lose PSN, sorry but you PAID for a PS3, not for The PSN Service...

[Shadowstar]

"IF you AGREED with the TOS, there is nothing you can do, you want OtherOS, don't Update, if you don't update you lose PSN, sorry but you PAID for a PS3, not for The PSN Service..."

Hm. I don't know about you, but I paid for a system I can play PS3 games on. (And I wanted to be able to program on a cell processor in my free time, because I'm geeky like that, but I don't expect many others bought their PS3s for that.) We're talking about the loss of future PS3 titles, not just online support or being kicked out of the PSN store.

Let's face it, my system is pretty much bricked unless I update and lose functionality.

[Christopher]

Actually, you can still play single-player games if you don't patch. You just can't play the online elements.

[Shadowstar]

No... PS3 games come with the required firmware for the game, and they make you install them if you want to play the game. I've had this happen to me before, since I've always been a little lax in getting firmware updates. (I'm paranoid about bricking computers or consoles. Updates never seem to have enough testing before they're out in the wild.)

[cool cole]

I'm sorry but, when did Sony ever advertise the other OS for the PS3?

[Colonel-Killzone]

Lmfao Sony is gonna win this case so this is not even something to have a article about. I find it funny that hackers can mess with sony ps3 and add features etc that was not intended to be used on the console or even steal their games. But now when sony removes a feature to protect there games and their console they are doing the wrong complete nonsense if you ask me. Hardly anyone uses this feature whats so great about it can someone tell me please ? How does linux on my ps3 improve my gaming experience ? Oh yea i forgot it doesn't.

[Persistantthug]

I don't use my radio CD player in my 2007 Mustang GT, does that mean Ford can come into my house and take it out of my car?

When I bought my PS3 for $400 a year ago, I was promised I'd be able to have and use that OTHER OS feature whenever I wanted...

I was lied to.

It's about consumer's rights here. Just like when Sony put Spyware on peoples computers back in 2005 because they "felt like it".

This is not cool and should NOT be allowed by any court. That is the point, Colonel-Killzone.

[Biggest]

Why are people using these crazy car analogies? If you must have one, try this one. You are sold a car with an awesome interactive feature. You can tell the car to play a certain song, change the inside temperature, and even lock or unlock your car. Someone finds a way to exploit that feature and use it to break into ANY car that has the same feature. The car manufacturer requests that you bring your car in to the dealership to be updated. If you do, you lose the ability to tell your car to lock or unlock. If you don't, you may lose your car or other personal belongings pertaining to your car.

I hope that everyone involved in this situation gets what is coming to them. I personally believe there will be some lost time from work and wasted money.

[Persistantthug]

You see, Sony didn't disable this OTHER OS feature for the consumers security and benefits....they disabled it for THEIR OWN benefit...that's a key difference here.

At anyrate, when I purchased my $400 PS3 fat, I was told I would have the OTHER OS feature, and be able to use it whenever I saw fit....

I was lied to....end of story.

Sony's in the wrong, period.

[Biggest]

I didn't skew anything. If someone is able to exploit the car's voice activated system everyone minus the law breaker is effected. In the case of the PS3 everyone minus the law breaker is effected. Sony's protection is broken and the console is forever vulnerable. Games are pirated and the developers feel the sting. They devote less time and resources to great games which the general consumer feels. And lastly there is the good chance that the people that benefit from such a turn of events will find a way to hurt the general consumer even more. Maybe Sony didn't think for one second about anyone but Sony. But in the end it is a benefit to the very large majority of consumers, developers, and share holders that didn't care about Linux on a console to begin with.

[soulraver]

You are the same kind of person that would also install a hacked firmware, if one ever comes out, to play pirated games, but when that firmware sent credit card info to a hacker, you would want to sue Sony for not protecting you from the hacker.

[Persistantthug]

I don't and haven't downloaded anything Pirated....period.

Save the conjecture for someone else, another time perhaps.
thanks.

The bottom line is, Sony owes me a PS3 with the working feature I was promised or my $400 that I paid for a year ago.

A check would be fine.

That's why they are getting sued.

[sjaakiejj]

You agreed to the terms and conditions when you first made a PSN account. These stated that Sony is allowed to add or remove any features when they see fit.

When you bought your Mustang, did it come with Terms and Conditions stating that they were allowed to remove your CD Player at will?

I rest my case.

[Persistantthug]

T&C/TOS that Sony "MADE UP" may or may NOT be in compliance with specific state statutes or laws. Sony as a large company maybe large and seemingly infallible, but large corporations make mistakes all the time (2005 SPYWARE)

When I purchased my $400 PS3 last year, I purchased it with the idea and intention that it would have OTHER OS and no PS2 Backwards compatibility.

Sony taking the feature away MIGHT go against some obscure CALIFORNIA consumer rights policy....maybe, maybe not. But its worth exploring. I could see a liberal'ish CALIFORNIA judge that sides on the rights of consumers....definitely possible.

This isn't an automatic win for Sony here.

T&C and/or TOS's aren't necessarily the end all be all...not necessarily.

That's all I'm trying to say....we'll see.

[sjaakiejj]

You're missing the point, Sony can put anything in these Terms and Conditions, these are part of the contract you get the moment you purchase the product, and as long as they get you to accept them, they are legally allowed to do EVERYTHING in those terms and conditions, because you AGREED to them. If you didn't agree with the term that features may be removed at will, then you shouldn't have agreed with the terms and conditions in the first place when you created a PSN account.

Any product bought is bought with a contract. This contract, just as any other contract, can have ANY terms and conditions in it, all you do is agree to / sign it. If you don't agree to it, then you're not holding your end of the contract.

[MattyF]

Sony likely won't lose this case.

[rexus12345]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Sony must have consulted its over-payed and over-sized corporate legal team extensively before going ahead with this update.

[Neo604]

I'll laugh so hard.

[jazzking2001]

HELL YA
it would be great if i can get some money back from Sony >.<

[commodore64]

I agree, Dude.

Sony sold many hundreds of thousands of ps3 skus based on the strength of linux inclusion alone.

What's more, the linux inclusion generated headlines and free viral marketing for Sony.
http://www.wired.com/techbi...
http://www.gamepro.com/arti...

In court, it will be shown that Sony was able to sell additional ps3 skus on the strength of its advertised features, yet misled its customers who bought the console on the basis of its advertised features, by removing the touted feature after the point of sale.

Competent lawyers will be able to prove that a large number of users bought ps3s simply because it included linux. Even the customers who did not use linux were likely influenced by the 'linux included' marketing campaign at the time.

After all, other gaming consoles did not include linux. Thus, serious users who wanted to game AND run linux had no choice but to buy a ps3.
Those same users are now the ones who are taking Sony to court.

Now that Sony has removed these features, the courts must decide whether Sony deceptively used such advertising and marketing to gain additional marketshare at the expense of its competitors, for which misled customers ought to be refunded.

In addition, Sony's TOU, which was implemented purely to protect Sony's interest, while denying the rights of consumers, will be closely scrutinised in court to see whether it is lawful or not.
My guess is, the courts will favour the consumer as, realistically, ps3 owners are forced to upgrade their firmware if they want to keep using it's other features. If they don't upgrade, Sony ensures the console is rendered semi-functional. I certainly would call that a 'choice'. Maybe 'compulsion' is a better word?

It will be interesting to see what the courts decide, as seemingly many thousands of disgruntled customers are asking for their money back.
Who can blame them?
They are feeling deceived and rightly so.

Man up, Sony.
Give us back Linux, or some measure of refund.

[gapecanpie]

I said it once and I'll say it again.

I sure do hope Sony will lose this case for such a downgrade. Hopefully a class action lawsuit, because removing the Other OS is just pure BS that must not go un-punished and regardless of what many of you loyal sad geeks think this is BS, regardless if I use the feature or not and only a complete loyal idiot would think that way anyhow.

Because I know when I paid $600 including taxes for my 80GB PS3 it has/had BC, memory cards readers and the Other OS feature that I expected to all ways be there.

Truthfully the Other OS was one of the many reason why I brought a ps3 over the 360... Sony has done nothing but piss me off this gen. and I will not be buying a ps4 or what ever they are going to call it.

[tinybigman]

the great games, blu ray movies i can play and watch not because of linux. if i was computer savvy i wouldnt even use it on the system as thats what my pc or laptop is for.

if you bought the ps3 for linux only and not the games or movies then im afraid you've wasted your money.

[FantasyStar]

Screw the money, I'm not after compensations. I just want to be able to be back on PSN and w/ Other OS.

[FantasyStar]

Let's just say that I'm wary of buying any new PS3 Games that will have FW 3.21+ on it because then that means I can't play the game. That also means I'll have wasted money as I can't get a full-refund on an opened-product. And most retailers don't take returns on opened games.

So yeah, I'd consider that negative: I can't use my PS3 to play my PS3 Games.

[Eddie20101]

Why, if you have a PC would you really care about the least robust versions of Lynux that you were able to install on the PS3.

You will have a better experience on the PC with Lynux.

Sony will more than likely not lose this case, they are covered by the EULA (End User License Agreement) that everyone had to agree to in order to use the console to begin with, if you did not agree to the EULA you could have stopped there and returned your PS3 for a refund.

For people that own or intend to buy a PS3 slim (the current versions of the PS3) you do not and have never had support for other OS. The PS3 Slim does not offer it and never has.

[desean101101]

You all Do realize that this Will Never pass in Court right? It is a completely Fruitless Effort to Stroke Your Own Minuscule Ego's since You got But Hurt from Sony pulling the Plug on its back door entry. What they did Basically was take away Your Favorite Toy and Smacked you on the hand and Now You call the police crying Child Abuse....... f*ckin losers......

[BubbleSystemSuck]

Lol..

Good luck

[Godmars290]

While Sony may have been in their right to remove other OS to prevent piracy, they still greatly inconvenienced many legitimate PS3 owners who got little real warning and no compensation. And things are only worse now that those legitimate owners have no real proof, because if they win many others will be holding their hands out.

[Hotel_Moscow]

didnt they warn on the playstation blog like 3 days before it was removed

[xX TriiCKy Xx]

What is the point of this? Why is everyone making such a big deal about this Other OS. Does it help with your gaming experience? Does it stop you from using the internet browser on your ps3? Nope. All it does is help you hack.

[Colonel-Killzone]

The only thing everyone sees is your a troll.

[Nicholas Cage]

dude, too obvious. stop trolling please. on topic:this is ludacris, another article where sony wins and the idiot just ends up with court fees.

[solidjun5]

Me and Fantasy may not agree on a lot of things but Cylon is just a plain old idiot. Fantasystar can atleast make some points. Cylon, I think, is the number one artard on N4G. Bungie.

EDIT: +1 FantasyStar

[FantasyStar]

Bungie makes me laugh. And yeah, I don't agree with jun on a bunch of things, but I respect him and his opinion/views.

[Cure]

people are complaining about this.

people dont complain that they are buying their 4th xbox because it keeps breaking but sony with a reliable system removes one feature and they are getting sued lol

people listen. if you are using your PS3 more like a computer then a gaming system then dont update. if you want both - do what the xbox 360 users have been doing since the start BUY ANOTHER PS3. now you can have both.

that simple

[FantasyStar]

So I buy another PS3 to give money to Sony for taking away a feature I don't like. Why can't I just simply have my PS3 for gaming, and my PS3 Linux for my web browsing and media-playback? All Sony has to do is send out a FW re-enabling Other OS and poof! (It's like it never disappeared!)

Now "that" is simple.

[beardpapa]

From what I see, people who are really using the PS3 otheros option for linux and research probably don't even use the PS3 for psn or games. They'd probably look at the firmware update, read the TOS, and refuse the update.

People that use their ps3 for games and the otheros for novelty reasons probably don't even use the otheros option as much as they claim they would. All I could think of is the ones filing the lawsuit just want some quick cash if they could get it. I mean, it's not like you'd switch over to linux to browse the net, then go back to your games. There's a web browser for that already in the xmb.

[s45gr32]

I meant I disagree I paid for Linux. The browser for PS3 Linux was Mozilla firefox which worked exactly like the PC one and did not freeze and it did allow me to stream DIVX movies for free.

[Nicholas Cage]

carry on

[commander]

Im the biggest ps3 fan, hate the xbox, but I hope they do get sued for doing this. I doubt will see any compensation, but it would prevent sony from removing more features in the future.

[phalanx_mark]

For threatening the livelyhoods of game developers worldwide and depriving honest gamers of a legitimate feature.

[s45gr32]

Geo-hot was just spreading B.S. and didn't accomplish anything.

[You Noob]

Try harder :3

[Duo]

I've been following this since the day they removed it. I've read a lot of the comments. Now I'm going to add my 2 cents.

First. Any one who's FIRST ps3 was a slim, need not comment on anyone pursuing a lawsuit for the OS removal.

Second. The comment "barely used, hardly necessary, or small user base" is complete garbage. If we went by your logic, I might as well dumb down my launch 60gig to a slim model right now. I paid 600 for four USB ports. The slim model doesn't have four, at no point in time do I ever use all Four. Having four USB ports increases strain on the PS3's power supply unit so we have to regrettably deactivate two to conserve system life, even though you have a 1 year warrenty. I'll go grab some pliers and pull two out. I paid 600 for a 5 in 1 memory card reader. Oops I don't use that every single day either, slim model doesn't have it so they better deactivate that too. Its a digital media system, why would I enjoy taking the SD card from my camera and go straight to my ps3 when I could put it on my pc then put it on a usb stick, then to my ps3. Backwards compatibility? Having the ps3 read such outdated tech and enhancing it on HD screen's puts additional strain on the blu ray lens. Better turn that off too. Piano gloss finish? better sand paper that down, silver trim? spray paint it black. The classic PS symbol that turn's 90 degree's for the stance the system is in? rip that puppy off. If I listened to you guys, it never got used so it doesn't matter philosophy, I should send my launch in and let sony un-pimp my ride.

Since we are using the car analogy, no one buys a ZR1 to have the dealer later remove the turbo's because your not legally allowed to go over 65mph. No one pays for A/C in the car, to have the dealer take it off because it can cause overheating during hot summer months. Do you use both turbo's 24/7? do you use the car's A/C during winter? doesn't matter what your answer it, you paid for it.

Quit your whining and go buy a slim is an even worse answer. I'll go buy a 2nd 2011 prius because the 2010 model doesn't stop. Even if they are only after chump change from Sony, the big picture should be, I paid X amount of money so I can use the feature's that were listed at date of purchase, not pay twice as much as person B to have Sony MAKE ME choose which feature's I want to use.

You guys should let someone rob your house of the stuff you hardly use, you paid for it, your not using it so what difference does it make right?

[foreverflame]

Good i hope the guy suinig sony wins the case and puts sony out of buisness and buy 17000 360 with da money and to hurt sony even more.

[Cloud Strife VII]

can you Try more harder boty baby lol.

[gtamike123]

Sony will not loose

[Meryl]

maybe we all should sue MS over the whole vista incident, i think that is a really good idea actually.
Sony will not loose this they have studied their rights befor doing this act, Sony have their back covered and these money hungry idiots do not care about linux all they want is just money, nothing more.

[avengers1978]

This is stupid, they will never win this case. Frankly I hope sony counter sues and takes them to the cleaners.

[CharlesDCI]

Why are people saying that Sony advertised the feature anyway? Please show me a commercial or any other advertisement that does so.

[R2D2]

But big gaming events - too lazy right now to pull out old vids before the PS3 was relased.

[Raider69]

After paying 600 € ( euros ) for my PS3 at the beginning i hope Sony gets sued!

[itsalive]

Wonder what would happen if Sony did the following in court:

"Your honor, Sony regrets the removal of this feature from our product,
but we were left little choice in this matter.Sony has, as a matter of corporate responsibility, been monitoring sites on the Internet dedicated to hacking, and within the last few months, Sony has seen a rise in the community regarding exploiting technology found in our product (the PS3) to
circumvent or breach DRM technology within this product. Since Sony is
a licensor of this technology to many corporations around the world,
who in turn use this said technology to protect their intellectual
property, Sony approached said corporations, apprised them of the
situation ,and were told in no uncertain terms, they, Sony, would be held
liable for any financial loss the licensees of the technology suffered.
Since the technology being referenced is used to prevent the pirating of
Intellectual Properties such as movies and video games, losses could quickly escalate into the billions, which would financially destroy Sony should they be held accountable for such losses. Sony took this action, the OtherOS feature removal, as a matter of corporate responsibility to its' many shareholders and employees, who would suffer irreparable harm should the exploit of the OtherOs feature be allowed to progress. Had we not removed the OtherOS feature built into the PS3, this feature would have been used to render many years of research worth many millions of dollars useless, and furthermore, would allow the wanton circumvention of our licensees DRM features and the loss of control of their Intellectual Properties.
Sony took the actions it deemed necessary to prevent such a possibility, and while we sincerely regret removing this feature, as Sony has invested significant research and monies to enable this functionality, we had a responsibility to prevent the exploitation of this feature to the detriment of our clients and shareholders.
We, Sony, would also like the like to state for the record, that we are actively seeking additional means of fending off this 'attack' on our IP and product. Should we be able to find other means of disabling the attempts being made to circumvent the DRM features of our product, we will re-introduce the OtherOS feature, but it must remain disabled until such time.
It should also be noted that at no time throughout the life of the PS3 product
did Sony has never issued a 'merchantability notice' for this product to be used in a commercial environment. The device/product is designed and sold as a home entertainment product, and as such Sony does not warranty this product for use in commercial endeavors.
Any and all monetary losses resulting from such use is the responsibility of the product owner, and Sony cannot be held accountable for the such actions."

[GarandShooter]

That's damn good. In fact, that's exactly how I envision Sony's defense if this ever makes it into a court.

[Apocalypse Shadow]

and to the ones saying,"swhat if sony removes the ability to play games or movies on bluray?"

such a got [email protected] stupid question.

with the potential of millions of dollars lost in game sales,with the potential of millions in dollars lost in revenue for sony,with the potential of millions of dollars lost in hackers gaining access to consumers personal information,movie sales,music sales,etc...

you got idiots riding the wave like this is RROD.

it doesn't effect games.it doesn't effect movies.it doesn't effect online play.it doesn't effect any other feature and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the gaming consumer,but you got trolls riding the wave.and when it dies out,you will run to the next thing just like you ran to the CLOCK BUG.

when the clock bug did nothing to ps3,you sat under your bridges waiting for something else to pounce on.you want to complain,you want to sue,go find geohot and beat his @ss for doing what ***HE DID.***sony is protecting their investment,third party's investment and consumers personal information.

how stupid can some of you be?i have a launch 60gig(US) system and i NEVER used linux.because it did nothing for me.it was a good talking point about ps3.but it did NOTHING.don't like it?

go sell your ps3 and complain about it to someone who cares.the ones using linux for scientific reasons never updated their system.it's not being used for games.

they are going to take your ability to play games....WTF!!!!......take away movie playback.....such STUPIDITY......the system would be unplayable..........FKN A.........i mean really.......

[s45gr32]

Just because you didn't use Linux doesn't mean it wasn't useful. Okay why do hackers hack? Is it not to get free digital entertainment and the answer is yes its to get free entertainment. What is Linux is a free operating system. What can you get with Linux oh surprise surprise free digital entertainment what hackers want no. Free DIVX streaming movies, free music from Limewire, free game roms like NES SNES Genesis, etc. Able to edit or create home movies...... Okay the point is why would hackers would want to hack a PS3 then when all they need to do is install Linux and get their free digital entertainment without the need to hack. What did Geo-hot accomplish nothing right but the media made it seem that Geo-hot managed to hack the PS3 and managed to get free PS3 games which it didn't happen. Sony just like its loyalist gamers are puppets to the media how sad. Now, was it possible for PS3 Linux to get anti-virus or anti-spyware programs and the answer is no. What is the security system of the PS3 surprise surprise the updates. We update the PS3 not just for features but also to update its security system; so with that in mind what happens to scientists now they have an outdated security system. Which aaah!!! its rivals will have an easier time stealing their data. Put your fanboyism aside think for a minute and you will see that Sony screw scientists and those few people that were using it legally. Don't forget that the PS3 Linux didn't allow the consumer access to the cell architecture. On top of that part of our $600.00+tax went into Linux.....

[Apocalypse Shadow]

STEALING.

hacking was done on every system up to this point.and it was usually used for getting something for free.

ps3 can be customized with free themes.you can put in your own HDD.there is no other reason but to get games,movies,and music for free.

you can't spin it any other way.the psp was hurt severely because of people hacking.sure it was cool to have your own themes and homebrew.but the main reason was to play games for free.old school or new games.

you can't spin it dude.don't even try.

[Colonel-Killzone]

@Persistantthug

Missing the point ? I get exactly what they are saying but sony is a company they are not gonna let hackers get a pass off of stealing their games since this is obviously what they intend to do. This whole linux thing is blown way out of context not even funny. The only time i ever heard linux was when fanboys would rub it into 360 fanboys face and say haha the ps3 can run yellowdog linux and that was about it. It was not a feature many gamers use and i'm pretty sure hardly anybody on this article has even used it or even attempt to install it on their ps3. I get what your saying but you cannot use the radio as the same as a ps3 how can they just come in your car and take it ? Linux was a feature which was removed a radio is a device in a car you cannot compare those 2 although i get what your saying.

[Persistantthug]

I bought my MUSTANG with a CD player....I bought my PS3 with the OTHER OS.

I expect my radio to be in my car and ready to go whenever I use it, and I expect my OTHER OS to be in there as well....period.

If not, then I want my $30,000 back and I'll drive the car back to the dealership. If not, then I want my $400 back, and likewise, I'll drive my PS3 to the Sony offices in FOSTER CITY (I live in the Bay Area btw ;) )

[Apocalypse Shadow]

more like:

sony sold you a radio that had the ability to play 88.1 fm.they then released a NEW radio that took the ability to listen to 88.1fm.they then took the ability to listen to 88.1fm from all radios.

but the radio still plays 89.5,91.5,94.1,97.5,98.5,100.5 ,107.5,etc.

you just lost one radio signal.your analogy fails because it did nothing to the rest of ps3.it effected no games,movies,music or online play.if it did,then it would be a huge problem.

it is not.

[Persistantthug]

Because you are basically telling me what I SHOULD and SHOULDN'T value in my product.

How do you know what's important to me? Who are you to tell me what I should and shouldn't do with MY PS3?

I was promised an OS feature, I paid my $400 and I have been lied to...period.

Sony owes me $400 and I'll gladly send drive my PS3 to their offices.