Whoops, there is a problem with the console failing in significant numbers after all, said a reluctant Microsoft this week. So what is the cause? Charles Arthur investigates...
why N4G allows articles from questionable websites that may be created by the sony camp be approved i'll never understand.
NO RECALL but lots of MARKS to buy this crap
Too bad for you LOSERs that keep buying crap...
SAY IT WITH ME...I LOVE BUYING CHEAP CRAP...
Don't we see here in N4G, 24 hours a day, news trying to "kill" PS3 power and sales, some news repeated, who is paying for them ??
You get worried about articles where the truth about xbox 360
and the crap MS sell to gamers ??
I posted long time ago here in some article that "time will speak the truth", now it's the time, PS3 is at this point rising, E3 trashed a lot of that infamous news about PS3, and the near future will be enough to see PS3 spreading.
it is really hard to fathom how you could possibly question how bias this site is and place the blame on the ps3 and its fans. YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT FREQUENT THIS SITE! you got it mixed up all the bias comes from the xbox camp.
oh and this is what i have to bring out about the article...
"Moore repeated his insistence that the Xbox division will move into profit next year; having shovelled the billion-dollar faults back into 2007."
most likely in 08 they will rlease a new version of the 360 to ramp up sales...but wii will have a reitteration and the ps3 will be fanless with65nm chips just like the 360.
Even though they have extended the warranty ever since the first 90 day warranty expired until just a couple months ago before they announced a three year warranty lets all bash MS like this article is true, because hey WE ARE SONY FANS!
has been overrun by Sony boys. They should rename it Sonytopia.
All the same people that reported the Gears vs KZ2, which said Gears still looked better, all approved this story.
And stories of this nature have been posted a million times over.
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Yes I did approve this story only to prove my point. And I also posted another one about RROD.......Enjoy
you approved this story too!!! why? i agree that these 360 failure story are boring now. they bring nothing new to the table
You also approved this story
lol... caught red handed!
I didn't. Console wars are boring now. Now it's all about the games.
Both sides have an excellent line up. The fun starts here. No more bored and angry fanboys.
Also! As for that KZ2/Gears comparison. IMO, Unreal 3 (PS3) looks better then Gears. Only Epic Games, can outdo Epic Games :P
How many articles need to be posted to point out the obivious?
Some of these contributers have been watching to much Rain Man.
I like Sony and all...but I'm noticing this change of balanced news as well. It was refreshing to see good news for Sony, but now that the 360 is starting to get bashing articles it's starting to get annoying again..
Don't blame N4G. It's a user-run site. You should know this by now.
The 360 DESERVES to get bashed. The PS3 and the Playstation fans have been getting CRAP from YOU GUYS for the past year and a half! Why can't we do it back? Or is that too mean? Maybe you should've thought of that before you ran your mouths!!!
Look at me...I'm Microsoft and I can lie to people all I want and get away with it...but when SONY does ONE THING WRONG...it gets bashed! Why? Because of immature gamers that entered the market around the time the original Xbox and Halo came out. I hate you all.
no one deserves to get bashed its just some people dont know good games when they see them because it not on there system it sh1t (fanboys). Also ps fanboys started it all this when the first xbox came out.
Sony gets bashed for saying things what it can do 4D for intence thats why. Also your retarted Fanboy
And you just called Xbox fans immature? So much irony yet you fail to see it? You were the ones who deserve the bash, and still very much do so. unless of course you're into paying 100$+ dollars on a console weaker than my 360, has less games than my 360 (good ones even). Has inferior online to my 360. Just over all inferior, just like it's fangirls overall comprehension skills.
its not mature but its payback time and this time it personal!
In offering too many games, services and a lovely box to look at which is very customisable! LOL.
Other than that yes it does have its faults but they are easily made up for the simple fact Microsoft has tons of games and the online is incredible.
Well, I feel kinda sorry for Xboys, since I very well know how bad is it when people bash your console of choice. But I think we should stop now. Making a hate/bash-circle and revenge can't bring anything good. At least here in our forums. As for journalists, they love to bash, we can't do anything about it.
someonoe have to keep microsoft in check...they need to fix the problem..have 3 year warranty?? not doin anythin..more 360s is goin to die...microsoft do a revision!!!
I think people should give up, let it go. If you pay attention to comments here at N4G, you'll see that people who have Xbox are happy with the game lineup and the 3 year warranty offer from MS, even if it still breaks.
They lied for 18 months! And alot of people like me got caught in the middle and screwed. My 360 died 3 months ago out of warranty. I didn't want to pay them $140 to fix their own faulty crap so I opened it up and tried the heat gun method. It didn't work and now my warranty is void. The frickin' 3 year extention does squat for me. I was still sold a $400 defect piece of crap. Alot of people got burned during their "denial" phase. So excuse me if I'm just a little pissed at them!
but it seems that it's your own fault. The thing is, if you buy a Xbox360, you are guarenteed to have a console for 3 years without paying a cent for repairs. That seems like a fair deal to me.
dude even i get old with bash the xbox 360 story. Move along here now
Ok, the ps3 has been getting $hit on ever since its release and pretty much every website bashed it saying it was worthless and now sony is actually stepping up and fighting back. its awesome to see how much the progressed they made in just one week from what hole they dug themselves in from launch. you can say this site is run by sony fanboys but what about all the damn articles about which console was more powerful or and which processor was more powerful. its good to see sony can now put all of those articles to shame and prove to them they have a superior machine.
nothing is proven yet. Killzone 2 is looking very impressive but it's not released yet. There is still no evidence that the PS3 is ahead of the Xbox360 graphics wise. There are also unreleased Xbox360 games that look very impressive. But when KZ2 and MGS4 is released and it is miles ahead of anything on the Xbox360, then you can say PS3 is a superior machine, but until then, keep your assumptions to yourself.
The PS3 had good reason to get bashed because it had no games and some multiplatform games looked superior on the Xbox360 but if it is changing now, bravo to Sony for picking up their game.
Xbox 360 went wrong...from the begining. It should have never been born in the first place.
As a PS fan all i want to say
Where the hell is themart
I bet he feels a right twat lol
No i cant wait for the next sony song called we are the champions
"Its a user ran site". You havn't noticed that people are no longer visiting this site in the numbers it used to?(minus tons of new rabid Sony fans or ones with many accounts).
You Sony fans have destroyed this site with anti MS news nobody etc visits game site to read nothing but fanboy fud(its like watching FOX News talking about far left loons everyday of the week; one can only take so much hate and malice before they say hey!; this is no longer news but a hub for one type of persons agenda lets move on).
No Wii fans on this site and all the 360 fans are not visiting anymore and virtually stop posting MS news because there isn't anybody that takes this site seriously anymore all because you fanatics want people to share or hear your views.
What are you people going to do after you chase everybody but Sony fanboys from the site will you chase them?, will you care about all the things you try and get across every day anymore?. Dam the site is flooded with KillZone 2 threads yet Halo 3 nor KZ2 made the top buzz worthy games list.
I think you should visit your psychiatrist.
POG, before E3 this site was almost bearable but now it is completely overrun by fanboys. No matter how many you ignore, there are always new fanboys. It's okay if people present their arguments with facts and sense but thats not the case here. It's like two 6 year olds shouting "My dad can beat up your dad!" at each other. I say the moderators should step in or something.
@15.1 - Thanks for supplying me with an example
they all have they're own strength's and weakness's. I love the fact that every fanboy (360,ps3, not so much wii) who posts on here make out like their brand is the way to go, well I found this review while looking for a ps3 and I thought it has some sound and impartial info regarding the two mortal enemies that are ms and sony:
Firstly, my credentials - I am a game designer for an independent European games company and I have to understand the architecture of a system to program on it. I am also a hardcore gamer across all formats and own all the "next gen" consoles.
The PS3 is a very good console and it does have a lot of potential. However, the same is true of the XBox360. Neither console is being utilised anywhere near it's potential.
Which is the better console? It depends how you analyse the figures. The PS3 has a faster processing set-up on paper and runs a lot cooler than the XBox processor but the XBox processor has a much better and well thought out architecture so the two are pretty much neck-a-neck in terms of real "speed" and processing power... also note that the PS3 is stifled and crippled by too little L1 and L2 cache memory to utilise the floating points effectively so will only ever realise 70% of the hardware potential.
Much has been made of the better RAM in a PS3 but they're both GDDR3 RAM units and the XBox has double.
The graphics processing units are again an interesting comparison. The XBox 360 has a faster overall transfer rate for GPU than the PS3 but the PS3 has better potential for smoothness due to no bottlenecking on the designated RAM (the 10MB buffer for the XBox 360 will prove a slight choke on performance as the consoles mature) - although the anti-aliasing and lighting ability from a handling point of view are quite frankly pathetic on the PS3 - no amount of firmware updates will solve that sadly. Please also note that Gears of War, which Sony claims utilises the entirety of the 360's power doesn't - it only uses around 45% of the consoles potential as it's very cleverly written and designed.
The Blue Ray drive is a massive plus - for Microsoft to only plump for a 12x DVD ROM drive was a bad move. Although more than fast enough for transferring data to the system (both this speed drive and the Blue Ray drive have a similar data transfer rate at top speed), I would have liked to have seen at least a 20x to increase load times, which are really poor on the PS3.
Which console is the best? It depends what you go for - but BOTH score 4/5 in my book. Microsoft have suffered for pushing it out when only 90% complete (note the overheating problems that are posted frequently although I've never had the problem) but Sony have suffered for trying to be "cutting edge" but cutting corners, the specs suggest a paper tiger but Sony have compromised certain aspects of the console to facilitate not making too much of a loss by providing a Blu-Ray drive and this will come back to bite them hard, as will the fact the XBox architecture is much more designer friendly and easier to optimise. Hardware wise, the nod goes to Sony slightly but the performance variance is minute - both consoles have different strengths.
The Wii cannot be compared to either as it's a completely separate gaming angle and experience and you've got to respect the Big N for going that far.
Oh, and anybody who suggests the Sony online experience can hold a candle to XBox live is clearly deranged - or just too cheap and begrudge £40.00 per year - as XBox live has naturally been evolving over the past 5 years and has a head start it'll probably take Sony the next 2 console cycles to catch up on.
Just my 2-pennies worth - I don't want to start a flaming war just be aware that both Sony and Microsoft are PR kings but that Sony's track record of overpromising and underdelivering (PS2 anyone? With the "real life" potential of the Emotion chip???) has again been realised.
There were more gamers like you on this site. bubble for you Sir !
I totally agree. Both are good systems. Both will go into the next generation.
because you thought you were winning.you and others on this site ragged,bagged,sacked and attacked EVERY ps3 article.and now you're crying because microsoft is f*cking up.
the 360 system was rushed.wasn't SONY FANS fault.microsoft lied about 1080p,bluray not being necessary,not making the hard drive standard or having a big one when they were FIRST to do so.saying hdmi wasn't necessary when all future hd tvs were making it standard.then turn around and include it.
the 360 system breaks and scratches discs.wasn't SONY FANS fault.microsoft went cheap and now you have to pay for it.and they have to pay for it.
microsoft dodged the issues,called it moving targets and blamed the user.wasn't SONY FANS fault.they wouldn't own up to the issue.
microsoft claimed bluray wasn't necessary.now bluray is kicking hd-dvd's @ss.actually that WAS SONY FANS fault.we like hd movies to go with our hd games.
you got robbie bach selling unscheduled stock.what FAITH he has in the company.wasn't SONY FANS fault.he's scared of broken 360 systems too.
but gamers like you brought this on yourselves.and now you blame us for returning the favor after all these months.you want to leave,LEAVE.we won't miss you.things might get back to cooler levels after you're gone.i defended ps3 because sony wasn't getting a fair shake by anybody.and now they are fighting back.i don't hate ANY of you.i just wanted standards to be even.not double standards.
now you're on the defense.and you don't like it.yes,sony makes a lot of mistakes.but that's because they aim high.is that such a bad thing?to aim high?no.it isn't.and now they deserve accolades for a job well done.they are trying to please gamers.and it took microsoft to put some heat on their @ss.and we ALL benefit.
i don't hate the 360 games.or the real fans of 360.just the company,the fanboys and the hardware issues.if they fix the system,mass effect is mine.carry on and enjoy E3.
? MS put the cards on the table and Droids still don't give up even when the 360 is out selling the PS3 2 to 1.
Well I feel like I've been trying to say that niether console is better than the other it just depends on what games you like for a long time. Honestly though I think its most of the 12 yr olds who try to scream and yell that their console of choice is the best because.......well basicly what they read on a forum re-gurgitated in their own words or sometimes even a cut & paste. The thing is it doesn't bother me so much because people over-estimate a site of this nature anyway.....NO one(its very rare) changes their mind about what they like based on this site, seriously for those who are still using the same name, their preference 6 months ago, is pretty much their preference today.
Actually I don't mind seeing negative news posted about the 360 or any other console but the difference is with this news is that its a "duplicate story" because its full of most of the same news that has already been posted already on N4G, yes its a different website but its the same news essentially that has been re-hashed many times. Alot of the negative Sony news was about different mistakes that sony themselves made, most of which was PR type comments and claims they made, yes there was plenty of BS which I didn't think was fair either, but I do see a major difference because like I said this is essentially the same story posted everyday. Honestly I don't see that changing much here at N4G, it is for good or bad a user driven site, and of course some users have their agenda, but at the same time I think it will wear out when, the evidence in a few months suggests there are a lot less hardware failures because sooner or later, we will start to get some "hard" data about whether or not the new strategy that M$ implemented has improved the situation or at least the speculative stories won't make much sense without some type of real analysis being conducted. (polls, surverys, or reports from a % of 360 owners with verified gamertags, etc.)
I still think this is a great site but I do wish the mods would take a little more control over whats posted and some of the extreme members who do nothing but hate without actually contributing anything to the site, while I do find most fanboys funny, there are a few who do nothing but taunt the other side and call names every single post and I think this site is starting to lose some balance just because other than losing these much over-rated bubbles I don't think theres anything in place to ban those who basicly do nothing but attack other members. I consider myself a mature adult, so I take everything on this site with a grain of salt, but if this site continues down the path of going more and more towards just fanboy war posts and less about the "videogame wars"(yes theres a difference) then I think it will lose its appeal to me and many other real gamers no matter what console they prefer. If I wanted to read "filtered" news that makes my console of choice seem like the best thing since sliced bread, while reading other news that made the other console only look like a terrible console then I would join a dedicated fanboy site, overall I think this site still gets alot of great news quickly so like I said its a great site, I just wish contributors would post more quality type news posts, if you see something newsworthy even if its negative by all means post it, but if its basicly the same news from a different author maybe its "old news."
a quality post from a real gamer...bubble for you too, i like this bubble thing... :-)
@ 8 Day,
well i hear you but come on, sony has said plenty and then done a 180 in the past. remember when MS first said they were doing 2 sku's, sony said it was bad for the cunsumer and would only confuse us, then what do they do, launch with 2 skus and wait for it....not up to a year later....launch another.
as for hdmi and all that, well yes and know. At the time ms said those things, they weren't needed, but they always stated that their possition would change if there is demand.
I think M$ big mistake was they really didn't see how quickly us gamers would be willing to invest and upgrade to the new standards to enjoy our game experience, sony did and made good on it.
BR vs DVD, well depends on the games you like. oblivion is more then big enough for me and if that can go on DVD9 then ya they made a good choice. Even if MS switch to BR ( which they have said they could ) it would only be for the movies.
I am happy that sony has done well this E3. i was not impressed with MS show, but i think MS is just waiting for Xo7. E3 is not what it was and maybe they wanted to see sonys cards on the table and not show their own this time round.
This comment section wont allow me to type that many words....HAHAHHAHAHHHAHA
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