Just how close does the finished product come to the target render?
This E3 is turning out to be great.
I have to give them credit, I didn't think they'd get this close.
Be real, give credit where it's due.
Agreed, they deserve credit but I think the game is not close enough to target trailer BUT thats not the case since this is Pre-pre-alpha as the devs said so what I'm really excited about is that the final product can surpass the E3 2005 trailer.
This is the best pre-alpha gameplay I've seen, cant wait for more.
maybe this will refresh the minds of the sony faithfull and make them realize sony really was lying about how good the game was going to look. The actual game looks nowhere near as good and thats even with the help of some CGI cutscenes added to the actual gameplay of the new 2007 video.
AKA, no need to talk rubbish about something you clearly do not know.
There was no CGI in that video. And no one lied. If anyone realistically expected it to match the trailer exactly, they'd have to be stupid. They did a great job, and only a blind ignoramus would pass it off as a bad job.
Edit: Nice! An idiot went through disagreeing with all positive comments! Typical.
Even though the video is very flat and without detail, the game still only has half the detail of the video, but I don't care. Lets all say it it is the bomb and even though it is not as good as they said we will still be happy and talk like it is good enough, or as good as expected, and ignore that it is not what was promised. I mean we it's not like we could even put together an E3 without a bunch of FUTURE PROMISES unlike MS, they think they are so cool with their " our games are here now" crap. I mean, who needs that? I like to wait for my games, Yea, sony, thanks for the game....some time next year....that looks as good as it could, I guess. Yea sony, lets band together sony fans, we have to help each other out give me bubbles give me bubbles we can do it together sony fans we can do it!! You must believe!! and Pray!! and ignore reality.
Sony Surprise almost everybody
even microsoft didnt see that coming
...is it going to play well. If anyone remembers, I don't think it was bad graphics that brought the first Killzone down. It was the lack of original gameplay, shoddy controls and poor level design. These are the areas they need to work on if they're going to get things right.
even better in some respects.
look at these screen comparisons.
"if the 07 had a smoother look then id say it matched but it is grittier and darker with more detail so is a good trade of but great all the same"
i really don't see it getting any closer than this. The trailer was impressive on many levels and the gameplay had parts that were even more impressive than the trailer. Offcourse it is impossible to get to that trailer but they have done an incredibly fantastic job at even getting this close at this stage in development. Nobody really thought they could do it so we all simply need to not critisize and give them their props where its due
If what we saw was indeed pre-pre-alpha then the game has the chance to get much better (Remember the old pre-alpha Ratchet & Clank TOD vids compared to the full new Pixar quality R&C TOD ones?).
The game has potential to go beyond the trailer but will the devs be able to pull such a graphical wonder while making the gameplay good and deep? And all this in time since Sony may push the devs to make it ready for announced time.
I hope they can and the game can be all its meant to be.
The Guerrila QA man Seb even mentioned how people will say parts of the E3 2007 showing were prerendered, or CGI. None of the latest Killzone 2 media is pre-rendered. I mean, come on, look while they are swooping over the city into the distance, there is some texture pop up. And Guerrila wouldn't create some dodgy floor textures for a cutscene. The game will shock and awe, and I am immensely excited to see how it continues to develop. I am startled particularly by the detail in each characters face, and the sheer magnitude of things going on in the new media. In the E3 2005 trailer, you landed in a pretty desolate outpost. The sheer number of objects exploding is quite nice, and I am excited to see the incredible particle effects and lighting system in the other levels.
i think it looks pretty close, the only real difference is the explosion clouds, that is all that is very different, and like mk_red says it is in pre pre alpha, so i think alot is going to be added before the game is released and will look better, and so well have to wait for a comparison when it finally comes out
if the E3 05 was a 10 the E3 07 is about a 4.
still a great looking game though.
this is my opinion only.
if yours is different........great !
DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKES !!!
tell me about it ArduousAndy !
Pull your 360 our of your a$$ long enough to formulate an unbiased opinion.
IGN and every other respected opinion has said the game comes real real close. Meaning 05 = 10 and 07 = 8-9. Then we have your worthless opinion.
yes i am...and with that said you probably have not seen the trailer on the psn. 720p greatness all the way. the bullets flying look sharp and the lighting is better than anything we have seen to date. the draw distance stretched on forever and their seems to be a lot going on all at the same time, i thought the animation was far beyond what i imagined. the characters have a movement to them that i've never seen before. when the demo was firing shots into the badguys chest towards the end i was shocked. i never seen anything like that in a game before. the art style is also right up my ally. it made every other video i watched today look like sh!t. this game is far beyond anything on any other console....some still say gears looked better but i'm not in to that wet plastic look.
when you look at the game play segments in the 2007 trailer, it puts the 05 trailer to shame
@ nice cuppa....why so negative all day? why troll the ps3 news ALL day? are you mad because of the m$ e3 presentation? do you even play games? are you blind?? if your legally retarded then i'll forgive you but if not.... EDIT: ( REMOVED FOR THE SAFETY OF THE N4G COMMUNITY )
w/ the ammount of stuff going on and how good it looks this is UNBELIEVABLE.
has anyone even thought about MULTIPLAYER!!!!!OMG!!!!!!
you are a sure bitter lately.
why does ours matter to you
you`ve been in the ps3 section all day.
don`t let our joy be your pain. gamer.
i know i hope it`ll be good to.
that`ll just top this great great news off.
hopefully we`ll hear something soon.
I know i`m sooooo excited, i hope we hear more about MP soon!
Yeah, right now I'm counting on good multiplayer. This would be the final seal for me, if multiplayer is bland, that'd be a big disappointment. Hopefully it matches R:FOM in players per match.
well supposedly there will be a multiplayer beta later this year so we can check it out ourselves
How is that going to be possible when they say the game is in pre pre alpha. just wondering...
Why does it say the year is 2006 on the target render when it was
at E3 2005?
I noticed that too.
i think it was all scripted and the guy had to be in places and do things at certain times to make it work.
i'm suspicious !
if you disagree then man up and tell me why !
PLEASE NOTE I HOPE THIS GAME DELIVERS ON ALL FRONTS AS I WOULD LOVE A GREAT GAME LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE AND THIS WOULD DRIVE THE COMPETITION TO IMPROVE !
THIS LOOKS GOOD TOO.
It was definitely scripted imo in terms of the guy wasn't actually playing the game in real-time, but rather they showed gameplay clips of the level.
The confusing thing was that they made it seem like someone was playing the game in real-time. They show someone on stage with a PS3 controller after the video is shown at the Sony Press Conference.
There are actually two "extended video clips" floating around right now; the one as seen during Sony's presentation, and this one: http://www.gamevideos.com/v...
It shows much more of the intro level, continuity-wise.
Ok, so, according to someone, somewhere, this link does NOT, in fact, lead to an extended gameplay video. I say you're wrong, sir! (or madam)
the show last night had someone actually playing unscripted...they said he paused the game and was able to pan and zoom around certain characters...to kind of prove it was all in game footage...the actual public conference though just pieced together stuff from the 2 and a half hour show...
that is what IGN said anyway...
Before this was shown at the conference, a killzone party was held where a developer of the game was playing it for 20 min. in front of IGN, 1UP,Gamespot, and many of it's harshest critics....
-All were impressed.
this game will set the bar for future games! i cant wait for what sony has plans 10 years down the road and beyond!
I really think it can go either way. I mean, depending on how you look at it some points in the game look the same or very close. It also doesn't help that there are 2 different trailers here, so it makes it harder to compare them. but overall im pleased. you guys have to remember this is only pre alpha too.
They still have 8 months to go before release, I'm pretty sure it's going to match the trailer. The facial animations are better than the original trailer, the physics and weight of the charactors looks real good. All they really need to do is polish it up and it can match the trailer. I can't wait
gameplay footage for CGI, it's no wonder we're getting such large debates over this game. It's awesome that Guerrilla Games pulled through though. If this is what the game looks and plays this extraordinary in pre-alpha status, imagine what the final product will be like...
The real game, I heard will take 4 blu-ray dics, lol
"Just how close does the finished product come to the target render?"
this isnt the finished product. period.
I don't think it would have looked this good without the pressure from the pre-rendered trailer of yore. Perhaps it would have, but it sure was a great big incentive to calm the waves. Bravo. This is a good looking game and i would like to play the hell out of it.
explosion, if the e3 2007 can have the same explosion, then it will be much better than e3 2005, it think that's the differences.
If you look at the in game and the E3 05 target render, the in-game has a lot more going on in terms of effects such as dust flying and particles in the air, lighting, etc. Also as I have challenged fools such as "Also Known As", find me where Sony said that the E3 05 trailer was in game? As I recall the media began to spread that news and the only thing I saw Sony do wrong is not come forward early enough to say that they had never said that.
I think they surpassed the trailer on many levels, but the detractors that are here are just sour because they knew this day would come. Fact of the matter KZ2 shows that if you put the effort into the PS3 results will be attained, not to mention that all the R&D from this game will be shared with other developers and enhanced over time.
We are not even out of the PS3's first year and we are seeing this? I am an easy going guy that likes video games as much as the next guy, and I never go onto the 360 section to talk S#!t, but I know that today they have knots in their stomachs because they know that Sony is doing what they do best, and that is dominate.
I hate to say it but this is why I have had a PS3 from day one, Sony delivers and does it well, and the fact of the matter is that MS has failed last generation and they have more to prove than Sony. They need to prove that the 360 will not be replaced 3 years down the line because of languishing market share, that they can survive their lousy hardware problems, and have the staying power to EARN exclusives because they have a technologically superior machine not because they payed a S#!t load of cash. A year early and all they have to show for this is Gears? and the 360 fanatics have the nerve to call PS owners out? Such twisted logic, its almost laughable.
All the haters had this universe in there mind where Sony rolled over and died and MS was free to pimp crappy hardware to their customers, but today they got a rude awakening. The 360 trolls are here, I was checking out the Halo news just for fun and they are there posting, trying to hold on to the last visages of their pride but their absence in the Sony section today shows that deep in their hearts they had to know that this day was upon them.
As I said earlier today, kudos to everyone who owned a PS3 from day one, welcome to the new converts, and to all the former haters, I look forward to seeing you in here under your new account name acting as if you were always a Sony supporter. I will dish out the bubbles for all my fellow PS3 owners and I hope to get the same love from you all. Add me on my PSN name is TASHITO, see you online.
I wonder if that foot in your mouth taste good H8TERS.
i'm a fool, here you go ;) http://www.gameklip.net/v/1...
AMEN is all I can say. my thoughts exactly, I noticed how "the mart" "jasongx" and all the other turds were strangely absent from the MGS4 STILL PS3 EXCLUSIVE THREAD and all the other threads that talk about how Sony SILENCED alot of fanboys yesterday, like we knew they would.
Nice find bro, unfortunately he never said this is how the final game will look, he said that this was representative of game play, all that aside though, they have delivered whether you like it or not.
Not to mention the guy they are interviewing said as much himself that he believed it was a misunderstanding, its what happens when you tell someone something thinking you are being clear and then you talk to them later an their interpretation is completely different.
As I said before good find and nice try but no dice buddy. Sorry your all tender over the trailer, as of today it is obvious Sony did not lie because regardless of what the MS minions want to say about it, it is on par with the video we saw, end of story.
So in the end you called yourself a fool and I have to agree with you, especially for that diarrhea of a link you posted.
Give it up, when you get back your broken XBOX sell it and save up and get a PS3 and call it a day. No need to be sour, we take the faithful and the converts alike, unlike the 360 camp populated by racist and hillbillies. I feel sorry for the decent people stuck playing Rainbow 6 with a guy name Billy Bob from the deep south, you have an alternative now friends, you can move out of the third world of gaming. Hahahaha.
Good day for Sony fans around the globe. KZ2 Lives......
i love you man. I interpreted the video wrong, i'm sorry.**
All this pre-pre-alpha talk is complete bull-sht. Who ever heard of pre-pre-alpha anyway. This kind of lingo is just covering their asses. I firmly believe this is what the finished product will look like, especially if the game is releasing next year.
To give credit where credit is due. The animations look slick. The graphics are not on par with the target, but that bar was set unrealistically high. The game lighting is darker than the render, and you cannot deny that there is a serious lack of color in this demo at least. The explosions are seriously lacking...Even lost planet wowed me more with the explosions than seen here.
As far as game play, there is nothing here that gears of war doesn't have as much as it pains me to say. Stop and Pop all the way it appears, but with out chain-saws. The only saving grace for this game will be the size of the individual levels, which will probably be expansive.
This game will not compel me to slap down the serious money for a PSIII. I am honestly more excited about halo 3 at this point simply for game play and storyline. Call me what you will, but I am simply unimpressed.
You haven't seen the trailer in HD. The one from PSN shows that the effects, lighting, AND the dark color pallette are all top notch. All some of the best I've ever seen on either system so far.
As for the game being pre-alpha. Of course it is, the game doesn't come out for another 8 months! If this were the final version, it'd be out in time for the holidays. Quit being such a loser.
I think it looks pretty damn close. I mean, look at the character, n the lighting. It doesn't look as good as E305 trailer, but it looks pretty damn close. I don't know if guerilla will be able to make KZ2 look as good as the trailer, but it will come close. MY opinion.
damn close actually besides the smoke and some of the particle effects and things...but this video is hard because sometimes I don't know which one I am supposed to be looking at...which is a good thing
This is pre-alpha, they're only going to get closer. I can't wait to get my hands on this.
come on, this is at least an alpha build. Any game within a year of release better damn well be in the alpha stage, but thats not necessarily a bad thing. I just wish everyone would own up to it.
Well, according to Guerrilla Games it's "pre-pre-alpha." Regardless, I think the game will definitely improve.
alpha-closed beta-open beta-retail all happen within 7-8 months.
for a game with no real release date. I say its about 80% close. But they still have plenty of time to work on it. I say the final version will be 90% to video maybe a small amount more. It will never be 100%.
Now that we see what it looks likes lets see if its got appeal.
Lets see if its got substance and not just pizazz.
it will, and im not your cousin.
Spoken like a true XBOT. Another arm chair developer trying to talk like they know something about the development process, but with a face like that I guess it would be better for you to want to be developer than something where people have to actually look at a mug like that. Head back to the 360 pages, I'm sure between your president selling stock and the failure rate of your system you have a lot of reading material over there. Hahahahahahahahahaha........
90%? picking numbers out your @SS.
Too Bad you gotta WAIT NEXT YEAR!!
"This is Waiting"
Go back to playing RFOM ya SONY CHEERLEADERS!!
Why do you gotta go there?
You make the rest of us 360 fans look bad.
So dude honestly keep quite.
Im getting tired of this fanboy stuff on both side. its becoming to the point that you cant even voice an opinion. I hereby decree that if you see any of this hardcore fanboy stuff that is deragatory we instantly ignore them. Maybe this will clean up this place.
Can I play Lair, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Warhawk, Folklore, and Haze while I wait?
Time flies when you've got games, bud.
If you actually played games rather than trolling, you'd know that.
And to 23.2, same thing applies to you.
Just because Halo's not out yet doesn't mean 360 owners have been twiddiling their thumbs waiting for it.
WHY must you people act so childish? Go play games, yeesh.
Stop *****ing about ****.
And I shall do the same *leaves to go play RB6*
I think it's worth mentioning that Killzone may have not ended up looking quite so hot if media and 360 owners hadn't laughed like we did back then.All justified of course because it was a lie.
A 200 team probably wasn't the plan frankly when they started the sequel and neither was a budget of 20 mil.I'd imagine that a lot of all the lovely detail we are seeing from K2 now has been partly at least down to because of this extra focus and determination to prove something.Conditions like these seemed to have been ideal in creating this great looker.Does that mean a 200 strong team is needed because i can see that maybe being a problem business wise.I wonder how much better all games on any platform would look using this method of recources.Just a thought and it's not to take away from whats been achieved so far with K2.
Decided i'm going to get a PS3 eventually because although in truth K2 is never going to be as great as the trailer,it's still darn nice.
Gears has better textures but iv'e never been that impressed graphically by just textures alone.K2 doesn't seem to have quite the clarity but dishes out generous amounts of polygons and action that makes for a more stimulating game visually if you ask me.
All this from my Wiimote.
again people , GOW with extra developing time , well Kz has more polygon counts ons screen , YEAH !!! thanks 2 it's blueray drive , more effects and physics can be done . . .one of MS stupid strategy using standar DVD format instead of HD-DVD . . .
why all the negative comments. If this game was multiplatform all of you would be talkin about how this is the next step or how it will look better on this platform or wateva. Guerilla has done a fine job while they didnt match the trailer exactly they did a fine job and came unrealistically close. I expected them to change the visual direction so it wouldnt look to obvious when they didnt meet the trailer but they pretty much followed the CGI trailer direction and their gameplay held up. Held up quite well in fact. This game is already visually impressive all that remains is will it play as impressive. I mean xbox have their halo why not let sony have their killzone, just because killzone looks better that is no need to be jealous. If its a great game when it comes out you will get to play it either you buy a ps3 or am sure you know at least 1 person with 1. Whether your an xbox fan or a sony fan lets hope that it does because this could be the one game to unite us all. lol
PS3 exclusives even though they are first party are starting to look more impressive than msoft exclusives maybe i need a recap of the exclusives they have over sony. But having played warhawk and waiting to play lair, uncharted, ratchet and clank, heavenly sword, little big planet, haze, mgs4, final fantasy 3, and so many others the ps3 titles are holding up
If this game were multiplatform, I would still not buy it. Rent maybe to check it out. To be honest this game doesn't offer too much different from anything else that is already out there besides large environments. That being said I will definitely be buying Halo 3.
To the untrained eye they both have the same splendor. They actually do look very much alike, I'm just struck with amazement on how well Guerilla games did.
Killzone 2 is going to sell PS3s like Halo did for the Xbox for sure.
I doubt it. Killzone is not a house-hold-name like halo is.
yea because when Halo first debuted it was a house-hold name...I know people that bought an Xbox and only had Halo to play and they bought it because Halo 1 was good...It sold xboxes...
for a game that isn't done yet it looks almost perfect to the target render and even better in many aspects. Especially the environment with so much going on compared to e3 05....
the only con i could come up with killzone e3 o7 was the explosions, they need to be better when the game releases...everything else was perfect
killzone2 in e3 05 was mainly focused with explosions, but in killzone 2 e3 07 it was focused totally with the gunfire and atmosphere. In this way it far surpased e3 05 with the sheer scale of everything, and the explosions don't matter cause they can be amped up before actually releasing the game.
Totally breath taking........................ ..................but did anyone else think that the guy who looked like rico sounded really annoying when he talked on the drop ship thingy? (LOL)
watch the HD version on Gametrailers and just sit back. Its quite amazing what they've managed to achieve graphically with this game.
well then let's close the book on KZ2
and wait until it's release in 2008 . . . the graphics may change to be better or maybe worse . .if they said it's just a pre pre pre alpha . . .anything can change in the final result . . .
well just have 2 wait and see . . . .
The Killzone2 team did a nice job and the game looks great even if it doesn’t match the CGI 100%. The thing I wonder about is, will it take all PS3 games 20 million to look this good?
Its a completely different time of day, theres also alot you can't make out in that video, h/d or not.
The Colours are also quite rich, which you wouldnt see, as i'm sorry to say, even the h/d trailers are darker then the actual game.
You also cannot really compare the e3 05 trailer properly due to it being in the daytime!!
This is a night level, with diff weather fx.
Once they start showing daytime stuff, then you'll know, and besides 8months is along time.
The blood fx was the best i've seen by far. Real Liquid. woo hoo
sony said,"do what you got to do.""have it done when you think it's ready.""show us when you think the world(read:360 fanboy)are ready to see footage of your game.""you need help?""we got you covered with any resources you need.""hire as many as you need."
and that's how it went.and this is how how it will end up:
E3 game of the show:KILLZONE 2
Best E3 presentation articles in the magazines:SONY
caligamer and those above who stuck with sony and playstation,who bought ps3 not just for current games but future games,for the ones saving up for the next round of playstation,give yourself a round of applause.
that's what a market leader does:THEY LEAD THE WAY.just when you think you know what's going on,you flip the script on them.sony did that.guerilla did that.
microsoft thought by having the ability to add parts like it was the sega genesis(loved that system),that it would match ps3.they failed.they recreated 360 with the elite.they failed.ps3 still outguns 360 with more features built in.they did not see every future TV having hdmi and 1080p support.
microsoft made a camera.but sony went and created eye of judgement.microsoft didn't see that coming.
microsoft made viva pinata.but didn't see LITTLE BIG PLANET coming.
microsoft made xbox live.but didn't see HOME coming.every 360 fanboy thought sony would copy xbox live.sony said,"hell no!""that's last gen text.""why do that for NEXT GEN?"
microsoft went with dvd-9.sony went with BLURAY for games and movies.
KILLZONE represents what sony always does:THEY SHOOT FOR THE STARS.what good would it be to just play it safe?bikers and skaterboarders would still be doing what i used to do over 2 decades ago.but people like tony hawk took risks.and now they do stuff i would never do.sony may risk it all,but the rewards are astronomical.you win some,you lose some.but without taking that risk,you go nowhere.and that's microsoft.
the BIG BUTTON controller is too little,too late.and doesn't INNOVATE.it adds nothing new to gaming.no leap forward.NO RISK.
thank you guerilla and sony.you didn't go for status quo.you went for it.and i applaud you for it.great job.to all the haters,YOU GOT OWNED TODAY.and that includes sleeper cell agents like feral and kewlkat.and bladestar is trying his b