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5 Reasons Why the Wii Won't Win the Console War

Roboawesome writes: "Looking purely at the numbers, Nintendo is running away with the home console war. With worldwide sales nearly doubling the combined efforts of the PS3 and the 360, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone disagree with the idea that this generation belongs to the Wii. But I would argue that the (Mario?) party line is starting to crack under the weight of the ultimate truth: the Wii has been a four year gimmick."

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ape0073012d ago (Edited 3012d ago )

the nintendo wii is not in the same league as xbox 360 and ps3

yeah it have some classic games, smg2 look insane but as a whole, it's not comparable

I know we've said this for 1mil+ times but seriously, some people still consider it a big player in the console war

Ziriux3012d ago

Exactly, it's goal is to cater to the casual audience and only minimal to the hardcore.

Cevapi883012d ago (Edited 3012d ago )

its just that you dont hear much about Nintendo suporting the Wii like we hear about the 360 and PS3...there are always new updates and firmware when you look at the 2 HD consoles...but when it comes to the Wii, its like Nintendo lost interest, they see that it is selling like crazy...so why mess with it??

this is why when we see articles like this, people shun the Wii automatically because it is hard to compare it to the other 2...MS and Sony are in direct competition with one another when it comes to games, online service, updates, bundles and accessories...

one thing i do applaud nintendo for doing is making MS and Sony think outside the box and actually look into motion control...even here you see that both dont really look much at the Wii as they do at each other...

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baum3012d ago (Edited 3012d ago )

I love it when they say the Wii has the largest amount of classic games (As if any hardcore gamer wants to re-buy games they've already played and that they have in their closet), the largest amount of "hardcore" games (conveniently ignoring every hardcore game that PS3, 360 and PC have, like every ideologue does), and that PS3, PC and 360 "only have shooters" (because they think that since shooters have become popular, then the platforms they don't like must be only about shooters, not to mention their completely selective ignorance of all the rail shooters on the Wii, which are much worse than any FPS on current-gen systems). They give me the best chuckles.

Edit:

Now that I remember, I also saw "Seferoth" say that the Wii has the same attach rate as the PS3 and therefore must be "just as good", even though attach rates are misleading because they don't include money spent on games (which is higher on PS3 $60 versus $50 on Wii), and money spent on DLC (obviously higher on PS3, which has HDD as opposed to the Wii which is pretty limited in that aspect). Furthermore, I honestly doubt that the Wii attach ratio is of much interest to third parties (the only ones that should be concerned with software sales), considering that 3 out of 6 games sold on Nintendo's platform are made by Nintendo (as opposed to Sony's platform, where at least 5 out 6 are 3rd party games, which yield higher online and offline revenue). Why do they forget to include that PS3 has been reported as the highest revenue generator for most 3rd parties? The fanboys conveniently forget that PS3 has a big install base in Japan and Europe, where games are more expensive than in America (which is why many companies report more revenue from PS3 than 360).

I wanna know why Wii fanboys always omit relevant data in their arguments, do they honestly believe people are just as ignorant as they are?

The only good argument from Nintendo to get support from third parties is the low(er) cost of game development, but that's not really good for gamers as that implies lots of shovelware. Worthless.

kaveti66163012d ago (Edited 3012d ago )

Define victory.

The Germans won the most battles in World War One but were still blamed for everything and annihilated economically. Did they win the war or did they lose?

Nintendo has profited off the Nintendo from day one and has sold millions of first party titles and the most copies of Wii Fit, not to mention the Wii install base is almost twice as much as the next highest console.

What exactly has Nintendo lost. The only speculation that we have that the Wii cannot win is that we assume their fanbase is so alienated that the NEXT Nintendo console is going to fail.

So, as of right now, I don't see Wii losing anything, and whatever may be happening with the sales decline, there will probably be some very large spikes when Nintendo release the next Mario game, the next Metroid game, and the next Zelda game.

-Alpha3012d ago (Edited 3012d ago )

I asked the same question and it's whoever sells the most according to users I asked. So basically winning is a company argument. Nevermind that the only important winner for gamers is whoever can enjoy the most games, but its a sales argument, and it's whoever can sell the most.

Despite the fact that the Wii has sold the most and continues doing so people somehow believe that it will lose this war.

Oh, and people are wrong when they sales matter most. Since we arguing for the companies (otherwise there is no reason to be interested in whoever "wins"), it's whoever makes the most profit. A company would rather sell less and make more of a profit than sell lots and lose more. Let's look at some facts:

Fact 1: PS3 has lost a lot just by selling its hardware. Only now is it starting to make profits off of the hardware as it reaches break-even. Their technology is advanced, but it was very expensive for the first years. Hoping to sell off of brand power some consumers were turned off by the price. Only now at the $299 price tag do we see consumers jumping on the PS3 more than ever before. 360 fanboys declared the death of Playstation. Lulz ensued.

Fact 2: The 360 has lost lots in repairing faulty hardware. Stupid MS was so desperate to get started first that they ignored the warnings BY THEIR OWN TEAM. 360s broke, fanboys cried. Lulz ensued.

Fact 3: The Wii has continually made the most profit: no big trouble for fixing consoles and no money lost selling them. But nobody counts the Wii anymore. Much like how 360/PS3 fanboys dismiss the PC for its superior graphics, 360/PC exclusives and superior free online play the PS3/360 fanboys dismiss the Wii for its sales.

I would love to hear how people sincerely believe the Wii will somehow lose. It's hilarious that when it's damn clear that the PS3 or 360 is not king of anything they must force "graphics king... on consoles" or "Platform Exclusives" as a legit argument. In the world of these fanboys their consoles are all that exist or matter. What a delusional "war". Now, when it comes to sales, despite the fact that the Wii has made the most there is hope that Nintendo will somehow lose money or lose this generation when it's being doing leagues better.

Maybe it's possible if Natal/Move manages to incredibly well, but I strongly doubt Nintendo is going to go down without a fight. Nintendo has barely done anything compared to someone like Sony to fight for its fans. Why? No threats. If/when Sony or MS threaten their fanbase expect Nintendo to fight back. But the fact is that it's done incredibly well and I cannot conceive how Sony or MS can out-profit it. Maybe I'm wrong but Somebody please show me, I must be missing something here.

tunaks13012d ago

"the nintendo wii is not in the same league as xbox 360 and ps3"
your right its not,
1) you wont find gray and brown games on wii
2) you wont find little kids trash talking on wii
3) you wont find a billion generic fps on wii
4) you wont have fps games that control like boats on wii

What you will find is:
1)IR precision - the best controls for a FPS on a CONSOLE
2) Games with color, you know those things that arent found in 80% of "next gen" games
3)Platformers, ah the good old days
4)Games that are games and not interactive movies
5)Intuitive games like Boom Blox and Max & the Magic Marker,
6)1st party Nintendo goodness, Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Sin & Punishment, Pikmin,
7)First person sword play, Red Steel 2 can't be done on any other console
8)A gaming console, not a watered down PC, not trying to be everything just a gaming console with UNIQUE games
9)2D goodness
10)Virtual Console
11)A community that isnt on their high horse

mal_tez923012d ago

There are very good games, all of which have the production quality of last-gen games.

My biggest problem with the Wii is its horrible control scheme, platformers are fiddly and shooters just DO NOT WORK! Time crisis on PS1 had 1:1 accurate shooting with a gun controller, but it seems the Wii took 10 steps backward from it.

Redempteur3012d ago

i will agree to an extend to tunaks1 comment.

The wii has as much "unique and great games" in a set period IMO as the ps3 or the 360..and even if the nintendo fanboys are less vocal, you can not argue that there aren't great games on wii .( monster hunter tri ? red steel 2 ?and i only picked the most recent.. )

The only gamble nintendo lost was "wii music" others were Huge success

eagle213012d ago

Every last NPD this year will have the Wii #1 through December. And these articles will still exist. Some butthurt fanboy can't get over the fact Nintendo is and will likely stay on top. :)

Raypture3012d ago

@Alpha Male

I feel exactly the same way, nintendo have prettymuch won already unless the 360 and PS3 pull some big moves soon, they can do it with natal and move, but it'll b difficult since hardware not included at launch doesn't have the best history of taking off.

Now people who dislike the wii will give anyone who says anything positive about it disagrees, I find them insecure. Thing is right now either could end up in second place and possibly first, second will probably be close but as far as first it'll be difficult to take that from the wii, and nintendo have released new handhelds shortly before a new console before, there might be a Wii HD incoming, and if they make a new console it may pressure microsoft and sony to follow suit.

n4f3012d ago

''I love it when they say the Wii has the largest amount of classic games (As if any hardcore gamer wants to re-buy games they've already played and that they have in their closet)''
yeah i know but capcom sony and square saying they re-release there classic and greatess hit on psn is not the same thing!!!

Seferoth753012d ago

@Baum,
I bring up the Wii/PS3 attach to people who talk about how Wii owners do not buy games. Please do not go around saying things I never said. Nowhere will you be able to find me saying what you claim. The only way you could come to that conclusion is if you are an idiot.

I see you want to talk about how PS3 games cost 10 more to buy but forget to add they also cost 2-3 times more to make. Where are these reports you speak of that show 3rd parties making more on PS3? I am sure anything you have will be quarterly and most likely spin as a lot of 3rd parties make money off of the Wii.

How about how Sega has more million sellers on Wii than it does on PS3? Sega isnt the only company. Most of you "info" is based off of your own ignorance. You read something negative about the Wii and you take it as fact without every bothering to think if it is valid or not.

2Spock3012d ago

ROFL....Obviously your lack with other consoles leave you in the dark. But hey you are entitled to your opinion, which there is only a select few of gamers feel the way you do. So you need to voice your opinion when you can, plus it gets good laughs.

tunaks13012d ago

"ROFL....Obviously your lack with other consoles leave you in the dark. But hey you are entitled to your opinion, which there is only a select few of gamers feel the way you do. So you need to voice your opinion when you can, plus it gets good laughs."

lol, I have access to all 3 consoles and I also game on the PC, you on the other hand probably just started gaming on the PS1 and currently only own a 360 or PS3. You need to book a date with an optometrist and get those fanboy goggles changed.

2Spock3012d ago

"lol, I have access to all 3 consoles and I also game on the PC, you on the other hand probably just started gaming on the PS1 and currently only own a 360 or PS3. You need to book a date with an optometrist and get those fanboy goggles changed."

Maybe you should try to worry about your own comments and not so much trying to speak for me. I didnt know saying your entitled to your own opinion makes me a fanboy. But hey your entitled to your own opinion.

N4g_null3012d ago

I want to preface this with this idea. There is a convergence market happening that has failed and now defaulting back to it's origins. HD gaming is that market. For example the the PS2 had the worst graphics and was one of the hardest console to get code working great until the middle ware break throughs. Because of the things that now define the HD market it has attracted gamers who are not really into console gaming like 2d platformers or puzzle games or experimental gaming. There is a reason why no real new game types are appearing in the HD market. The gamers they have attracted are very similar to the GC and N64 gamers in that they only want certain games to be made and believe that making one game takes away from another. In a world of 20-40 million dollar budgets this is not true at all. Yet the current hardcore can not sustain this market. Sure you have great stuff to argue over yet thesse games have cuased over 4,000 and countless studios to close.

http://www.develop-online.n...
http://www.develop-online.n...

http://www.google.com/searc...

I think we have two or 3 Wii only devs that closed yet they where never going to make a big splash at all.

ape007 -
1 - with all due respect he nintendo wii is not in the same league as xbox 360 and ps3. // ACTUALLY you have a point there. The HD market is a dying market and as activision and other publishers continue they are using up the trust of the HD adult gamer. Sure younger gamers will keep buying defective products but adults will not. Which is why their is so much PS3 love simply because nintendo is not even in the HD biz yet. I can understand that yet one reason for the fall of HD gaming is it's almost complete lack of different types of games.

The PS3 is suppose to be an extension or upgrade to the PS2 right well where are my space shooters, platforming games, and other traditional console games. That fanbase has effectively turned those games into DLC or games that don't even try to use the full potential of the HD platform. Why would a hardcore gamer like my self love the wii? You do know I do own a neogeo also right? Yet I can get samurai showdown collection for the wii. Lots of games on the PC engine or turbo grafx where not played by me so I'm buying and beating those also, along with a bunch of games that simply still don't work emulation wise. The wii has all of this and a shooter that has it's own mod cummnity crazy huh? Try going here... http://www.blastworksdepot....
Ok you have hardcore gamers actualy reproducing classic games and game play with this wii game. What is funny is you can edit and publisher your game right from the wii. Why is that not in most HD games? The mod community is the ultimate way to show you have a hardcore game fan base. What is even funnier is these levels are fun GASP*.

"yeah it have some classic games, smg2 look insane but as a whole, it's not comparable " That's because it is the only console out right now. The HD console with all due respect are not competing for console like gamers. It is not even trying to get arcade gamers even.

"I know we've said this for 1mil+ times but seriously, some people still consider it a big player in the console war " They are the only people who made and successfully sold a 2d game to the masses this year. They are supporting some of the most niche games that will ever come out, Dynamic slash, sin and punishment2, they are the reason red steel 2 exist. I don't know that is far more hardcore than another FPS that is a slight clone and a complete lack of traditional console games. If you looked at the HD game scene and though about porting those games to the PC it would be a no brainer. Yet if you look at classic console games no one on PC wanted those games ported because they where made for a different market. It's very possible the real hardcore traditional gamer is going to be lost this gen.

Ziriux
Exactly, it's goal is to cater to the casual audience and only minimal to the hardcore.
So having access to the entire golden age is not catering to hardcore. Making a 2d game in the face of a game populace that only prefers 3d games and HD graphics and making it sell is minimal. Using your own money to fund other studios that are not even 2nd party to you to make games is minimal?

Cevapi88
"1.2 - different perception of wii
its just that you dont hear much about Nintendo supporting/// So you own all SNES, Sega GEN, TG-16 and neogeo games?///
the Wii like we hear about the 360 and PS3...there are always new updates and firmware when you look at the 2 HD consoles...but when it comes to the Wii, its like Nintendo lost interest, they see that it is selling like crazy...so why mess with it?? "

//SO you are saying nintendo needs to keep the media happy, the gaming media by talking about features and making new ones right? I think the best support is making games which MS should focus on more. I know you may be a gamer hooked on online gaming but many do not care. I mean MAG hasn't even sold over a million copies yet, Halo with out online would be pointless. What you guys don't understand is that is not really what console gaming is about. It the same reason the dreamcast had all of this stuff and failed. Real console gamers care about lots of different types of games and currently we have gamers who only buy what the reviewers tell them. Then we have the people that have been burned by that method of advertising. This all makes for a shrinking pool of gamers in a market that needs many MW2 like games to stay relevant if not to just provide people to play online.

baum -
1.4 - Wii fanboys incoming/// first of all we are not fanboys of the wii we like it but we all game in other places also I'm sure. In fact it's the only group that doesn't drink the corporate cool aid right now. If we don't like a game we don't buy it and you won't see us trading games in much.

I love it when they say the Wii has the largest amount of classic games (As if any hardcore gamer wants to re-buy games they've already played and that they have in their closet), the largest amount of "hardcore" games (conveniently ignoring every hardcore game that PS3, 360 and PC have, like every ideologue does), and that PS3, PC and 360 "only have shooters" (because they think that since shooters have become popular, then the platforms they don't like must be only about shooters, not to mention their completely selective ignorance of all the rail shooters on the Wii, which are much worse than any FPS on current-gen systems). They give me the best chuckles.

/// Fact the PC has some of the best shooters and Brink will join that bunch.
/// Where are the action adventure games, new puzzel games, arcade flight games, arcade style shooters, skill based gamee play, where is it? I've been waiting all gen for these games to start coming out they way they where on the PS2.

Edit:

Attach rate is a moot point and very pointless. If PS3 has so many gamers then why do they all not agree to buy UT2? or even GOW3? Yet a raggedy old 2d game built for the laspe gamers aka hardcore gamers beats HD gaming top game type a FPS called MW2 where the publisher pretty much has to firre the leads because they don't want to run it into the ground. Yet the bigger question is why would they need to do such a thing? The answer lies in how much the HD games are actualy hurting these big publishers and why no one else can even expect to get a chance at making some thing new for HD gaming.

"I wanna know why Wii fanboys always omit relevant data in their arguments, do they honestly believe people are just as ignorant as they are? " Relevant as in opinions well because they are opinions, that never wins an argument.

"The only good argument from Nintendo to get support from third parties is the low(er) cost of game development, but that's not really good for gamers as that implies lots of shovelware. Worthless. " ////Your wrong on that. It has and will become a revenue source soon to support HD gaming. Put money on that.

kaveti6616
1.5 -
Define victory.
Sales are fine.
They gained new and old fans, HD gaming is actually loosing them many will be upgrading their PCs.
They actually made the self proclaimed industry adopt their game play style with motion controls.
They are doing this with little or not help from the hype media... crazy.

Alpha-Male22 -
Great point Alpha. Another thing is lots of things helped boost the PS2 numbers. Defective consoles rebuys just like the xbox 360. Along with the same casual gaming based that bought the PS2 as a dvd player. Only difference is wii is bought as a exercise machine, retro game console station, archive, web browser, party pleaser and now net flix streamer as it's every day life functions.

Then on top of that they made top of the line sequels for their own games.
tunaks1 - let me add to your list...
1.7 -
"the nintendo wii is not in the same league as xbox 360 and ps3"
your right its not,
1) you wont find gray and brown games on wii
2) you wont find little kids trash talking on wii
3) you wont find a billion generic fps on wii
4) you wont have fps games that control like boats on wii
5) you won't find a lack of Action-RPG, Adventure , Beat 'em Up, Fighting, JRPG, Pinball , Platformer , arcade racing, Puzzle, Recreation, Shmup, Sidescrolling Action, Single Screen / Arena Action, Sports, SRPG, Strategy, or 3rd person strategy shooters, Survival Horror, or experimental game play genres.
What you will find is:
1)IR precision - the best controls for a FPS on a CONSOLE
2) Games with color, you know those things that arent found in 80% of "next gen" games
2)a Games with actually art rather than realism as an excusse.
3)Platformers, ah the good old days and every thing I listed above.
4)Games that are games and not interactive movies even better true point and click games where you have to think.
5)Intuitive games like Boom Blox and Max & the Magic Marker,
6)1st party Nintendo goodness, Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Sin & Punishment, Pikmin,
7)First person sword play, Red Steel 2 can't be done on any other console
8)A gaming console, not a watered down PC, not trying to be everything just a gaming console with UNIQUE games
9)2D goodness with extra power
10)Virtual Console
11)A community that isnt on their high horse and doesn't feel the need to fight the others all the time.
mal_tez92 -
1.8 - My wii just collects dust.
There are very good games, all of which have the production quality of last-gen games.
That was not a problem for your PS2 was it?

My biggest problem with the Wii is its horrible control scheme, platformers are fiddly and shooters just DO NOT WORK! Time crisis on PS1 had 1:1 accurate shooting with a gun controller, but it seems the Wii took 10 steps backward from it./// That controller is different and can be made easily still it's just no one thinks it's as accurate as you say.

Redempteur -
Thanks for being a gamer man. The constant fighting is turning gamers into analysis or PR guys rather than great skilled gamers. Gaming needs more gamers not critics.

The wii has as much "unique and great games" in a set period IMO as the ps3 or the 360..and even if the nintendo fanboys are less vocal, you can not argue that there aren't great games on wii .( monster hunter tri ? red steel 2 ?and i only picked the most recent.. )

The only gamble nintendo lost was "wii music" others were Huge success true there are others though but I get your point...

2Spock -
"ROFL....Obviously your lack with other consoles leave you in the dark. But hey you are entitled to your opinion, which there is only a select few of gamers feel the way you do. So you need to voice your opinion when you can, plus it gets good laughs."

So enlighten us what are we missing that we would like? Oh yeah don't forget to put the genres ok? I'll start!

Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds
The crossover fighting franchise is back after a decade in the doldrums. WOW
o Genre: 2D Fighting
• Final Fantasy XIII
o Genre: Role-Playing
• Super Street Fighter IV
• Genre: 3D Fighting
• Uncharted 2
Uncharted 2: Siege Expansion Pack
Genre: Modern Action Adventure
• Grand Theft Auto IV: Episodes from Liberty City
o Genre: Modern Action Adventure
• God of War III
Genre: Fantasy Action Adventure
• Final Fight: Double Impact
Genre: Beat-'Em-Up
• Just Cause 2
o Genre: Modern Action Adventure
• Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Genre: Modern First-Person Shooter
• Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes
o Genre: Beat-'Em-Up
• Demon's Souls
o Genre: Action Role-Playing
• Grand Theft Auto IV
o Genre: Modern Action Adventure
• Shaun White Skateboarding
o Genre: Alt. Sports
• Assassin's Creed II
o Genre: Historic Action Adventure /// seriously that is what they are calling it LOL like Asscreed actualy took place wow LOL...
• ModNation Racers
o Genre: Kart Racing

-Alpha3012d ago

That's what I call a wall!

And very great points too.

PS3/360 Fanboys are too in love with the "war" and hate the enemy too much to realize how much the Wii has already "won". The delusional world where 360 and PS3 is all that matters is a limited and narrow minded world of arrogance and ignorance. It's funny how guys like baum will quickly poison the well and regard any comment that challenges this article as "wii fanboy" comments. Sorry baum, but the only fanboyism is coming from PS3/360 fanboys who think their console has a chance at outdoing Nintendo this gen. Nintendo is making the most money and will continue to do so. Regardless of the games "winning" is defined as who sells the most and makes the most and that is Nintendo.

Aphe3011d ago

Great post, interesting read.

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darthv723012d ago

is it by sales total over a given period? is it by the amount of games sold? is it by who has the biggest....

If there was some sort of finish line each company is striving for then maybe it would help US to see what the real standings are.

Ziriux3012d ago

The Wii's software is whats going to kill it in the long run.

Cinotix3012d ago

The Wii is ghay as heck.

avengers19783012d ago

^^ Exactly; I don't know anyone that has a Wii and still plays it on a regular basis.
I'm not sure why so many have already sold, but I can't imagine they will get much more than they already have.

Speak2theHand3012d ago

Thats funny cause everyone i know have already gotten rid of the piece of Sh!t last gen shovelware system.

elicymet3012d ago

The fundamental issue in my mind is not that there's anything outright "poor" about the Wii per se, but more that it is full of half-measures.