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Nier for Xbox 360 Leaked to Torrent Sites

Original-Gamer: "Almost two weeks before it's release, Nier for the Xbox 360 has been leaked. Torrent sites across the world now have this game, and the pirates have been in a frenzy as they download the latest game published by Square Enix and developed by Cavia Inc."

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armycore3047d ago

Geez it never ends does it?

vhero3047d ago

I know do we have to have an article everytime a game is released?? Square Enix know which console to blame at least for loss of sales..

BeaArthur3047d ago

No it doesn't ever end. All we can do is report modders.

darthv723047d ago

it happens to PC as well as every other disc based system before (saturn, sega cd, dreamcast, neogeo cd, playstation 1&2, gamecube, wii, etc...)

If it happens to the ps3 than THAT would be news worthy.

Montrealien3047d ago

This has to stop, N4G is not here to announce to the world that a certain game is now available to download. This kinds of stories should never be allowed on the front page.

Chubear3047d ago

How much more worse does it have to get before one says "enough!"?

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TheHater3047d ago

Renting, borrowing, and buying used games. Developers/Publisher don't get a cent from any of those methods. So don't try as act like Pirates are the worst when there is more people buying used games, renting, and borrowing games that pirating them.

Aphe3047d ago

It's not quite the same thing is it TheHater. Please explain.

Government Cheese3047d ago

Where do you think companies like Gamefly or Blockbuster get the games in the first place? Pirate them? No, they buy them.

Pillville3047d ago

Where do you think the pirated version came from? You think it fell from the sky? There had to be an original retail copy at some point.

Legally, pirating is worse than renting or borrowing.
But, to the developers, it makes no difference if you borrow your friend's game or copy your friend's game, they make $0 in both cases.

Optical_Matrix3047d ago

What a sh1t example. Renting isn't as bad because the establishment that lets you rent games has to BUY THEM FIRST. They don't pirate them do they?
Secondly, preowned games...someone obviously BOUGHT the game before hand so the devs have got all the money they can off of that particular copy of the game. Plus it's not like the person buying the pre-owned copy is getting it for free. Borrowing games? Same thing, you borrow a game but someone has had to go out and spend money on that specific copy of the game. It's not the same thing.

Darkspade3047d ago

Yes Gamefly buys copy's but they are rented to 100's of people... If this wasn't an issue then why is Netflix being hit with the 1 month Delayed rental service from these Movie company's.. Warner Bros. Said they are Losing Money on sells... All these plays in to but yes Pirating is worst... I also don't feel you blame the Modders.. you need to blame the uploaders

Aphe3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

Pillville, you make no sense. How many people lend their games to more than a few people, that borrowing a game example is a load of bollocks. So someone on the internet is lending their game to thousands of their friends? It's not the same, no matter which way you cut it.

EDIT:And the renting idea is a load of crap as well. Do you honestly think that renting a game has as much impact as a game being pirated?

Montrealien3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

yeah the hater, you have no idea what you are talking about, comparing rentals and the used game market to pirating shows it. I have a rental and used game store, you know how many games I buy a year to rent? Nest thing you will suggest that renting movies is bad also?

fail.

nackno3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

You do know that the rent copies cost a lot more than just normal rrp for the stores to buy. same thing with movies. because of the licensing

Montrealien3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

nackno, sorry to tell you but rental copies do not cost more. We buy new games at cost and put them out to rent. Same for movies, infact on movies the studios give us deals, then again rental places are among the biggest customers, not everyone that buys 3600 copies of the blind side.

Its in their interest to have people watching and talking about their movies, just like games. Its in the game makers interest to have people trying and talking about their games also, most of these people would of never bought it in the first place, and if they like it alot, they may even buy it.

Our type of business has existed since the dawn of the videogame industry, we helped creat and promote it, we are here to stay, and we are not bad...

Pirates on the other hands hurt all of us.

-MD-3047d ago

You think renting and borrowing games is the same as stealing? Wow.

nackno3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

Well I dont know how it is where you live but I live in Sweden and just a movie for a rental store costs around 10 times of the rental price to buy and it really is not cheap to rent new movies here. so let´s say a movie costs 50SEK to rent then it costs around 500SEK for the store to buy it, and a movie costs around 149-199SEK (249-299 for blu ray) to buy in rrp.

edit: new games are usually 699SEK which is 93 USD in rrp
edit 2: I mean that the prices for movies are new movies... you can get older blu ray movies for 99 SEK or less

@montrealien: I hope the rental indsutry gets cheaper here aswell, I dont even know if it is possible to rent games here anymore.... havent seen any place lately offering games for rental

Montrealien3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

It was like that a while ago with VHS tapes here in NA, but that has changed. The rental industry is much more devolopped here then in europe, so, dunno what to say, I would assume the rental companies in sweden don`t have as much pull as we do here. All I can tell you is that here we do not pay more, not for about 10 years now, DvD`s changed the whole rental industry here.

TheHater3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

For the rest of you slow people, lets take this slow.

Pirate a game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0
Rent a game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0
Buy a used game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0
Borrow a game from a friend = Developers/Publishers get $0.0

Are you guys seeing the picture yet? Bottom line is Developers/Publishers don't get any money from any of those methods. For each game rent, borrowed, or buys used, developers/publishers don't get anything from them.

@Aphe
Is renting a bigger issues than piracy? I don't know. But Gamefly seems to be booming when it comes to renting games. Blockbuster as well. So is the local video game rental service that charges $10 for 3 days.

Montrealien3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

keep on diggin that hole the hater.

question, you think that the rental copy just appears at our door in the mouth of a stork?

Its a business, that is part of the videogames industry, and has helped our beloved industry grow, it creates jobs, makes people play game they cant afford at the moment, exposes the product dev worked so hard to make...

And you say we are slow? wow.

Aphe3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

Let's look at your argument Hater...

Pirate a game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0
Rent a game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0
Buy a used game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0
Borrow a game from a friend = Developers/Publishers get $0.0

Let's take it at it's most simple argument.

Pirate a game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0 - That's true
Rent a game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0 - The rental game had to be bought, so the Dev/Pub does get money
Buy a used game = Developers/Publishers get $0.0 - The used game had to be bought, so the Dev/Pub does get money
Borrow a game from a friend = Developers/Publishers get $0.0 - The borrowed game had to be bought, so the Dev/Pub does get money.

Now I know what you're thinking, surely the pirated game had to be bought? But in most cases the leak comes from the start of the manufacturing process and is not bought at all.

Even so, this must count as a stupid argument. A pirated game is taken without any loss to someone pirating it, it costs them nothing. A rented game is bought for, a single rented game can only be rented to a single person for the time of the rent. That copy is out of the renters hands and others want to rent it, so they have to get more copies. They have to buy them. The Dev/Pub has had a sale or sales.

If a used game is bought, it had to be bought in the first place. And in a single store they sell loads of used games, those games were bought new. They have to buy them. The Dev/Pub has had a sale or sales.

If a game is lent to a friend it has been bought already, and chances are it will only be lent to close friends. A p*ss in the ocean, no threat to a Dev/Pub.

Your argument is seriously flawed Hater.

TheHater3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

I buy one NEW copy of a game, developers get my $60+.
I then rent/lend that game to 100 people over the years.
How much money do developers/publishers get from the 100 people I rented/borrow my game to?
Answer = $0.0

I go to Gamestop/EBgames and buy a new copy of Mass Effect 2.
Developers/Publishers get my $65+
Beat the game.
Return to Gamestop/EBgames and trade it in for credit/cash.
Person X buy that used copy from gamestop that I sold.
Developers/publisher get nothing from that USED game purchased
Person X return to Gamestop after beat the game and traded it for cash/credit
Person Y buy the used copy that Person X traded in
Developers/publisher get nothing from that USED game purchased
Person Y return to Gamestop after beat the game and traded it for cash/credit
and the cycle continues.

Do you guys honestly think all used game comes from a new game? Many times people buy a used game, beat it and sell it back only to have someone else buy that used game they traded in. Same thing with renting a game. Company that rent games usually buy a limited supply and developers get money from the supply the purchased. When they start renting them out, developers are not getting anything from those rentals.

"Its a business, that is part of the videogames industry, and has helpe our beloved industry grow, it creates jobs, makes people play game they cant afford at the moment... "
And you are delusional if you think. Have you ever walked into a gamestop/ebgames and see who is buying the used games? Its usually kids/teens and parents buying games for their kids. Do you think they care about buying a new copy after buying a used copy? Face it dude.

@Aphe
I don't disagree about the initial purchased, it what follow that you and others don't seem to understand.
I buy Mass Effect 2 new from Bestbuy. Developers get my $65+. Everyone seems to understand that.

I then turn around and sold it to your for X amount of dollars.
Do developers get my $65+ and your X amount of dollars or do the only get my $65+?

Montrealien3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

So in your perfect world, people should only buy games new, all the time, and keep them. With no other options right? Does your theory apply to toasters, cars and guitars? Should someone who resells his guitar send a check to the guys who hand built it? I can`t agree with that. I know you think its wrong, but you just don`t see the bigger picture and your argument reeks of generalizations and stereotype.

And I do face it dude, every day, you are wrong, deal.

edit: just the fact that you think the dev gets 65$ for every game sold shows how little you know about this subject, I know its just another one of your generalizations, but come on man...

Ch1d0r13047d ago

Usually one or two friends will borrow a game not the whole internet.

Aphe3047d ago

The examples you give are nothing compared to how much a company loses on pirated sales, if you can't see that you're blind.

TheHater3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

"So in your perfect world, people should only buy games new, all the time, and keep them. With no other options right? I can`t agree with that. I know you think its wrong, but you just don`t see the bigger picture and your argument reeks of generalizations and stereotype.

And I do face it dude, every day, you are wrong, deal."

Point out where I say people should ONLY buy new games? GO ON, POINT IT OUT. Do I think Piracy, renting, borrowing, and buying used game is wrong? Yes because its the world we live it and its probably will never change until.

You guys are saying that piracy is wrong because it hurts the developers and publishers because they get nothing from it other than the initial copies sold. Well its the same thing with renting a game, borrowing a game, and buying a used game. The get money from the initial copies sold but everything after that, they get nothing from it. Why is that such a hard concept to understand.

@Montrealien
NO, I don't think Developers/Publishers get $65+ on each new games purchase. It a generalization.

@Ch1d0r1
"Usually one or two friends will borrow a game not the whole internet."
So you are admitting that you pirate games? You know since everyone on the internet pirate games.

@Aphe
How much do you think companies losses on used games, renting, and letting your friends borrow games? Don't the majority of Gamestop/Ebgames profit comes from their used game sales? And yes, I do know that gamestop/ebgames makes a hell of a lot more on used games than new games.

@Aphe
Dude, now you are just reaching.

"If you know then Hater, tell us how much devs lose to piracy vs Rented/2nd Hand and borrowed."

Do realize when I said "And yes, I do know that gamestop/ebgames makes a hell of a lot more on used games than new games," I was referring to per used game sold vs new game sold right? Gamestop/ebgames buy a used game for $25 and sells it back for $55 (not including tax). That is a $30 profit on a used game compare to $5 (that is a guess) for a new game

And isn't the point is that Company are loosing money on piracy, used game, renting, and borrowing?

Aphe3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

If you know then Hater, tell us how much devs lose to piracy vs Rented/2nd Hand and borrowed.

I can tell you now that piracy lost them more money vs the other.

Oner3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

I'm utterly amazed (though oddly enough not really surprised) at how many people didn't get Haters point.

He is not saying pirating is good or anything like that at all. He is simply stating additional things that are ALSO bad to the devs and such. He is not defending Pirating specifically ANYWHERE, he is just pointing out ALL of the areas that are bad for devs.

But as usual people make false assumptions and read thing that aren't there while at the same time consistently trying to put words into others mouths that were NEVER said with no proper comprehension of the real intention of the underlying point.

Jeez! I mean FFS it's like you have to start writing your comments for 4th grade reading levels in here now... /rollseyes

Aphe3047d ago (Edited 3047d ago )

'Renting, borrowing, and buying used games. Developers/Publisher don't get a cent from any of those methods. So don't try as act like Pirates are the worst when there is more people buying used games, renting, and borrowing games that pirating them. '

Sounds like he's saying they are in the same league Oner, no? Even more so really. This article is actually about pirating, I don't see anything about renting or lending a game in there. And pirating is worse than any of those other methods, to think it isn't is just being ignorant.

Does second hand sales and rentals make a difference to the industry? I've no doubt it does, but not to the same degree that piracy does. Nowhere near as much.

cmrbe3047d ago

I am one of those people that buy games new and keep them forever as a collection. The thing is i am really picky and pick only the best as i really don't have time for anything less. I will never ever trade my collection of games even if i hardly play most of them.

I agree with Montrilien that its a bussiness and its perfectly legal and acceptable to most people. We also must consider the fact that the rental industry does alot of good for the gaming industry which directly benefit the devs in question.

On the otherside it would be great if devs can get some money directly from used or rental games. Its one of the main reason i buy games new and at full price in most cases. I apperciate the hardwork they put into their games. I feel like i know them being such a fan of their work for years.

@hater. You must understand this is just standard practice. I don't like it as well and why i never buy from EB/Gamestop games but i also don't fault those that return or rent or burrow games at all. Not every one is the same with the same finances.

Oner3047d ago

You make a very valid point Aphe, but the issue I see is how what he said became misconstrued and something WAAAAY bigger than what his point meant, and all for nothing because it's not like he is advocating Piracy. Just a simple point about how there are additional "grey" areas to help corroborate/correlate/make said point. It really wasn't for all that of which he had to deal with...honestly.

zag3047d ago

Your all looking at it wrong.

If you rent something then it allows you to try out the game legally and then buy it if you like it.

Borrowing is much the same deal as generally a friend only gives you the game because they want someone to play with and do stuff in game and so they let you borrow it and you install it try it out if you like then give back the game and buy a copy etc.

Game devs aren't too fussed about renting or borrowing I think anyway, as it gives people a chance of trying without actually pirating the game in the first place, so there's a greater chance of someone ending up buying the game as most people don't get the finsh it or your rushing to do as much as you can in a short amount of time.

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Ugly Bob3047d ago

Don't challenge pirates!

Biggest3047d ago

Has the 360 ever been a challenge for pirates?

tmj3047d ago

Any challenges for the hackers usually last for a day or two, that's it.

GamingBuddha093047d ago

was going to get it for the ps3 anyways

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