A variety of news magazines report that the Xbox 360 version of Splinter Cell: Conviction is already available in torrent networks. Another case of piracy on consoles. More through the link.
What do you expect Ubisoft? Go onto the 360 and lose millions of sales due to piracy. Great move!
Sorry, this game did not make it to the Psss on m3 Blu Ray Player at launch. Your information of opinions. Has no merit at this point.
@clarkjudo Actually it does. MS is banking big on Splinter Cell: Conviction. So piracy is hugely relevant to this title. The fact the game is "leaked" before the release isn't a good sign at all. This wouldn't happen on the PS3 at least not today.
Millions? hardly 1. Your presuming it will be downloaded millions of times, what are you basing this on? 2. You believe that everyone of those who will download the game illegally would have bought it otherwise? My god you are either extremely naive or extremely stupid, probably both.
He said Ubisoft "...lose millions of sales due to piracy" not Splinter Cell alone, which is true, if you add all Ubisofts games that have been pirated for the 360 together i'm sure it would go into the millions.
ok time to go to (isoHunt) or (Pirate Bay) to download this game.
So when are they applying the DRM on the Xbox 360?
Bots, buy your flop of a game.
This happen with every xbox game so why make an article about Splinter Cell being leaked?
At least you know that Microsoft is more user friendly than Phony Sony. :)
good luck with DRM why the f*ck did i got 2 disagrees for ?
That made no sense, clarkjudo. And Dance is right, every 360 game gets leaked so this is not news at all.
These damn pirates need to chill the F out
lol I was about to say the same thing, all 360 games get leaked to torrents, are we going to have an article for every game?
Because we need to spread the word to all the pirates they can download it now! N4G your one stop piracy HQ! Do you see a news story about a PSP or Wii game or PC game that get's released daily? Nope! This privilege is reserved for Xbox 360 games only on N4G. @Venatus-Deus: Can handle the truth? Please point out the error here. Pirates need to chill out.. seriously..
i bet you wont say microsoft is user friendly when you get banned. you could always run to "phony sony" when your $50 xbox LIVE is wasted
How many of you buy used games?
Take a chill pill… Seriously
Been on net for 3 days now big woop. PS3 though STILL hasn't been cracked to general mass market for piracy. Why don't devs see this?
You guys are crazy, the 360's number 1 selling point is free games! You didn't know!? I seriously have friends who have never bought, rented, borrowed a single game for 360 simply because everything is pirated with ease. If I wasn't such a law abiding citizen I'd do the same.
So you would equate buying used games as piracy? That sir is just plain dumb.
How is this at all newsworthy? This is just blatant promotion of piracy. How this got even submitted is beyond me -_- Instead of an article saying that conviction is out today in shops we get one about it being up for download already. Which btw anyone with half a brain would know already as its been up on torrents for the past week and a half. Fail article is fail. Typical day at N4G!
"PS3 though STILL hasn't been cracked to general mass market for piracy. Why don't devs see this?" They do and what they see is despite the piracy and RROD (people buying 5 X360s am rite?) 99.9% of games still sell better on the X360. Which is pretty much a shame for Sony. Your console hasn't been pirated yet and you still can't manage to sell games? What the hell man?
Syronicus, it's not really dumb. Because in the eyes of the companies. Buying used games is the same as buying copied games. Since they're not profiting at all from it. Nuff said.
Read Eamon's comment and you'll realize you learned something new today. As you were son....
ya you might as well drop that "ps3 games dont sell" GOW3 has already passed up mass effect and straight blew metro 2033 out the water with its 170k sold lol heavy rain hit a million... it really is true all xbox has is halo and gears... sad...
I did learn something new today. Either one, you have two accounts or two, there are two of you that I would say are equally as dumb. With piracy, none of the money goes to the companies but with buying used, money not only goes to the publisher and developers for the initial sale but then there is money going to the third party company selling the used copies. All that equates to money int he economy of gaming and as a whole but piracy is simply stealing and contributing no money what so ever. Again, thanks for the lesson since before this I thought I was posting towards a single idiot... "Eamon - Buying used games is the same as buying copied games. Since they're not profiting at all from it. Nuff said." So none of the money originally spent on the new copies now being sold as used went to the publisher or developer? Again, see the logic? It would be dumb to equate buying used copies of games to pirating games. Good grief, what's with the youth these days.
I'm a little on the tired side of a long weekend (that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it) but I don't get your meaning above. Shed some light for a tired (feeling) old man. on topic: piracy in any form SUCKS! It does nothing but hurt the industry.
If you go to Gamestop and buy a used game, only Gamestop profits. Its the same as me selling you a game that I've had after beating it, I'm the only one that profits from that transaction, because I damn sure not about to send a publisher or game dev their royalties or whatever. Think for a second, and this wouldn't be so hard for you to grasp. But I think you have it on the brain that maybe Gamestop sends devs and publishers some of the profits from used games, but that isn't the reality we live in. Edit: And whats with the "idoit" and "dumb" jabs? I see now why you were on my ignore list, but thats my fault. Again, as you were...
Answer me this, where did that used copy come from? Was it not once a new copy purchased at full retail? But with a pirated copy, there was no full retail purchase so with one, the dev makes some money but with the pirated copy, the dev makes no money. Don't be ignorant for ignorance sake, enlighten yourself to logic and become informed of the facts before making yet another silly post... Please. I think it is safe to say you are for piracy?
One more time! Ok, no one says you are wrong when it comes to that first copy of the game making money. But each time a used game is purchased is one less time a dev/publisher gets any money for it. Am I pro-piracy? Not hardly. Have I bought a used game before? Yes I have, and like how I'm educating you on the topic, someone else "schooled" me to this point I'm making to you. I prefer to buy games new. If I can't afford a new game at the time I'll wait for a price drop. I just bought The Sabotuer brand new at Gamestop for $19.99. Even though Gamestop will refund your money on used game purchases within a reasonable amount of time, I still bought it new. Edit:@Jamie Foxx...I really fail to realize why you or that other person don't understand my point. Buying used games and piracy are comparable. The only people that say they aren't comparable are the ones who buy used games. A used game sale and a pirated game = No money for publisher or dev...its that simple. Edit: Syronicus, I did school you. You now look at things differently. When you go to buy used games, you'll think about what I've schooled you on, no matter if you buy the game used or new. Syronicus, you will still think about this little conversation when you buy your games. My job is done...
http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-... "2 days 22 hours ago Splinter Cell Conviction is up on torrent sites already. Oh I got a DD (denial disagree), remember kids, google is your friend." Yeah, I got disagrees for that, it's been available a few days now.
A used game has an INITIAL sale therefore the dev/publisher gets money,piracy has no intial sale so the only person benefiting is the pirate. But I can see a point your making devs hate used game sales,but I see it as if a person has bought a used copy way after the game is released they wasn't really interested in your game from the start!but buyin a used copy may make them want to purchase your games in the future.but that's a different topic a pirated game is not the same as a used game Piracy on a whole is a bad thing for our industry,you have ubisoft doing ridiculous DRM measures,and the cost of games can only rise in order for companies to recouperate some costs.
You seem so angry and what is even more funny is that stating that the dev makes no money off the used sale is something you think you are "schooling" me on. That is the obvious fact and everybody knows the dev makes no money off used sales. Sadly however, you think that there is a correlation to piracy and used game sales when there is not. At least once, the dev makes a dime on a used copy when the initial retail purchase is made but with piracy, there is no money earned by the dev. If you think you schooled me then you are sadly mistaken and only fooling yourself in a simpleton attempt to bloat your own ego. It's lol funny to see you try so keep trying but I warn you, it only makes you sound stupid when you think you are schooling anybody about used game sales. lol It's sad that youth is so wasted on the young but what's worse is that there is a surplus of stupidity with kids these days as well.
Syronicus, if you think about it: Used Copy = Developer mass produces then sails to retailers --> Retailers sale product to consumer ---> Consumer gets refund/trade/sale with retailer ---> Retailer resells that product to another consumer and makes profit. ^ in the above scenario, there is 1 sale for the developer and 2 sales for retailer. Backup Copy = Developer mass produces then sails to retailers --> Retailers sale product to consumer ---> Consumer makes a copy to keep for himself and sales the "used original" to someone else. ^ now for this scenario, there is 1 sale for the developer, 1 sale for retailer and 1 sale for consumer. But the consumer still keeps a copy and gained some of his money back by selling the original. Pirate Copy = Developer mass produces then sails to retailers --> Retailers sale product to consumer ---> Consumer makes keeps original for himself and makes numerous copies and sells them. ^ there is 1 sale for the developer, 1 sale for retailer and many sales for consumer. But the consumer still keeps original copy and makes a lot of money from the pirate copies. Now let's evaluate. - At the beginning there was only * ONE ORIGINAL PRODUCT. * - In ALL scenarios, the developer only made one sale. - In ALL scenarios, the retailer made at least one sale. - In ALL scnarios, the consumer made a purchase. - Now, for used game scenario, the retailer made extra money whilst the developer DID NOT, even though there is only ONE PRODUCT. - For backup game scenario, both the developer and retailer made one sale. But the consumer saved money by making a copy for himself and selling his used copy to someone else. - For pirate scenario, the consumer sold numerous pirate copies. (I personally am against making money of piracy. I believe filesharing should be free.) So, to conclude: * In All 3 scenarios, the developer DID make a sale. So the developer has not lost sales. * The developer made no extra money or sales IN ALL 3 SCENARIOS. So he made no money when retailer sold used copy, or when the consumer sold his original copy or when the consumer sold pirate copies. * A purchase by the consumer was needed in ALL 3 scenarios so the developer AND retailer made a sale in ALL 3 scenarios. I hope this mega post fix the confusion. As for the leak of games to torrent. That happened because someone either: STOLE a hard copy from a retailer OR an owner of a business who bought a batch and decided to upload the game before release day. Edit @ Below: LOL, I also saw that he presumed we were one person with multiple accounts. Well, if that were true, I guess we'd have like 10 bubbles each by now. But fortunately, we are both not sad.
Don't bother, that person thinks you and I are the same person. At least thats how I understood one of his comments. Whatever the case he/she is dense as f*ck, lol!
Your laymens terms are silly and make you look even sillier. Sorry, but if you read my posts like some of the other users, you might have gotten what point I was making. Sadly enough however, you two youths cannot decipher the facts from your own alternate reality. Sad too since it would have been nice to deem you two mature and carry on a mature conversation based on the differences between pirated copies and used game sales. A topic that obviously you two know nothing about.
If it is not reported then eventually people will believe the problem has stopped and that means they'll be misinformed to some degree. News is about information and if it keeps happening people should be made aware of it. Just because it's the norm by now doesn't mean it isn't news.
Just because I write an article doesn't make it NEWSWORTHY for this particular forum and thats the whole point. "If it is not reported then eventually people will believe the problem has stopped and that means they'll be misinformed to some degree." That's some pathetic BS if I ever heard it, what "people" need to be "informed" of piracy?= this is a news >>for<< gamers site, not developers, publishing executives and company representatives. Let the people who want to learn about piracy search for it themselves, reporting this news on news4gamers is un-neccessary because it offers very little value to honest gamers who buy their games legitimately and this only promotes more piracy, not surprising though that you would be all for this news. It's funny though, when Geohot news breaks about the other OS situation(and because he's the first to do so) and we all know that it could eventually lead to piracy, then the attitude on this site is quite different with alot of people very much against it, but when its about 360 hey its just news, right?
Idiots....Ban Waves for ya Pirates.... then some dudes say "but da hackers and da homebrewz" ....
but I'm with Sync on this one. While a dev/pub will not make money off a sold used game, they already made their money being that the game was once new. Torrents on the other a hand is a virtual copy of a new game. Millions of copies. So you basically have a copies of games that the developer/publisher could never make a cent off of. Used copies sold of any particular game will NEVER equal the amount of downloads for the pirated version. So saying they're the same is like saying the driving experience of a Porsche and Civic are the equal because they're both cars.
@Iflowlikewater and Eamon, I'm sorry, but both of you are wrong, and I'll explain in a little bit. @syronicus, I totally agree with you 100%, but you are using the WRONG argument in this case. OK, I'll give you all an analogy. Suppose I bought a brand new Toyota Corolla (really good car, screw the haters), and I sold it after owning it for two years, it's completely legal. HOWEVER, if I reverse engineered the car and made duplicate copies, it's called PIRACY, and therefore illegal. The difference between a used game and a pirated game is that you are still selling THE ORIGINAL COPY with a used game. A pirated game is basically AN ILLEGAL COPY of the original code of a legit copy. It's not really so much of who makes the money BUT it's the principle of a copyrighted work in which the right of making duplicates AND making sales at the same time belongs to the ORIGINAL MAKER ALONE. It's okay to make a duplicate, as long it's purely for backup, BUT not for sales. This also applies for literally everything...may it be books, photographs, weapons, cars, songs, etc.
newsflash every 360 game has gotten leaked since the xbox 360 has been released
Why is no one pointint the finger at the A$$HOLE that is put in a position of trust that's actually leaking the confidential material. I think these companies should have stricter guidelines to who have access to the software. This way when something gets leaked they know EXACTLY which group of people did it. If no one in that department want to fess up, then we'll start terminating people until we find out. This type of action would make people rat out the thief with the thought of "I'm not loosing my job because you're a thief that wants to leak sh!t to your friends." These jerks that keep leaking things need to be terminated!
Not surprised. Although I don't know why people advertise it. Let the a$$ holes at least do the work for themselves.
I'm sure glad the ps3 does not have these kind of problems :)
It wouldn't matter if it did, it wouldn't affect you.
just like it doesn't affect any 360 owners? yet you're all in here screaming mad at piracy like you own stock in the company. I agree that piracy is wrong but to see fanboys get mad at it because it's hurting their corporate idol's bottom-line is hilarious.
so much work and dedication goes into creating video games and people steal them on torrents like there some cheap ass music cd. that sixty dollars puts dinner on A LOT of tables and the economy cannot affford felonies like this. When i become a developer, i hope some kind of software has been designed that blows a damn pc to bits when some theif tries to steal years of hard, expensive work. and theres no point in turning this into a console war because the way i hear it, it isnt TOO difficult to steal ps3 games, but wtf? i own both consoles and BUY all my games, and so should you! Game developers, Fellow TRUE gamers, and the Economy will all thank you.
Piracy will continue to thrive until will be poor. All countries with high levels of piracy - a poor country. And often people go to it not because they are so bad, but because there is little choice. In my country, Xbox360 generally is not sold legally, and licensed games that are hard to get it even if you want, and they are more expensive than in the USA or other countries. PS3 sold legally but also at a premium and the game is quite expensive. For example the new releases on PS3 costs $ 68-75, and the Xbox 360 Arcade costs an average $ 250; it in the usual wage of 300 - $ 500 per month (or even less). We also have highly developed exchange and rental of video game titles. As far as I know in the same Gamestop is an exchange of disks (as I understand from the stories on the Internet) and it does not differ greatly from piracy, since the money (for exchange) do not go to developers, and remain with the sellers.
Pirates are killing the industry and making PC gamers lifes hell.
least sony hasnt been broken yet,or at least widely,just a few desperate turds
You told me that there is no piracy on consoles :sadface:
Been available for quite a few days already... ;)
i.e 6 hours to download it + 5 hours of gameplay!!! ;-D
I'm waiting for the PC torrent, Ubisoft wants to f**k PC gamers, lets f**k them! LOL
i had the game for three days completed it on realistics difficulty 7 hours co op is keeping me and mates happy and deniable ops is all right could been better. the story brilliant but really it should of been longer a lot people still buy games for a single player and a long story and for 5 year developemnt it should have more diffrent endings not just choices that lead to the same thing. so would adivise people to buy game for £30-£40 no i would not if it had average dev time then i would understand but 5 years for 7 hours story on the hardest difficulity its just plain lazy.
downloaded it yesterday, amazing game! wooooooooooooooooooo hey...games arent cheap.. .i buy the AAA titles or Multiplayer titles and download the rest, 60 bucks a pop isnt chump change for some people.
"Games are expensive" is not a justification. Not being able to pay for something does not give you the right to acquire it by illegal means. You are a loser. Edit: The act itself is wrong enough, but it really ticks me off when you dirtbags try to justify it.
People have no shame when it comes to stealing! Amazingly sad and pitiful no matter how you try and justify it. I can't afford a 100k sports car that doesn't mean I can just go and steal one..
nah... no justification for it... they shouldnt make it easy. and i buy my games, i buy a lot of games actually between 3 consoles. Which adds up, so who cares if i download a game or two ever so often. If you download music, download movies, theater hop or other little things that can be considered "stealing" cant really talk about it.
That was a clear attempt at justification. You are even trying to justify it again with your "they should not make it easy" response. Pond scum like you are the reason why developers are trying not to make it easy. The people who made the game care. The people who publish and market the game care. The people who are affected by DRM measures care. The people who are affected by studio closures care. Basically everyone except filth like you care. Oh and for the record, I pay for everything I have, since you also tried the "people do it for other stuff too" response.
@ AssassinHD, so if it wasn't illegal then it'd be fine for him to pirate? @ GiantEnemyCrab, that example you said is so dumb. Becuase for piracy, the car wouldn't be stolen, an exact copy would be made. Even the establishment of capitalist America does not recognise piracy as theft but only as copyright infringement. To be honest, the ones doing the justifying here are those against filesharing. Filesharing is simple. Someone buys a movie/game/music/whatever and uploads it onto the internet to share with others. It's the owner's choice and he can do whatever he wants with the product he bought. I would only support action taken against piracy when it causes smaller companies to go bankrupt but in reality, this never happens. Why? Because the logic here is that most pirates would not buy the majority of what they download. It's as simple as that. So the majority sales claimed to be lost due to piracy are not real. Also, in the end. This is the internet. You will never be able to censor anything on the web successfully. Companies need to accept this reality and make products while considering this fact.
You are on my ignore list, which is a list reserved for people who are either morally bankrupt, immature, or just plain idiotic. Judging by your response I can see it is the latter for you. "If it wasn't illegal..." Isn't that kind of the point? It is illegal. People depend on the income that these games generate, and I know that your response is that "they were not going to pay for it anyway" but you don't really know that, because the option to acquire it for free is available. If the option were not available it very well could be that people would pay for the product. The "they have a right to do what they want with their product" does not apply with software. If I purchase a physical item I can do what I want with it because it is one item. It I give it to someone else I lose the ability to use it myself. One purchase made, one person using the product. With software it is different. Software can be copied, so there is no such restriction. I could buy the software and distribute it as many times as I want, while still retaining the ability to use it myself. That is one purchase made, many people using the product. The dynamics are completely different, and if you don't see that then you are an idiot, which again is likely the reason why I put you on ignore. I hope you appreciate my making an exception in this case by responding to you, because my time is very valuable and I do not normally waste it on people such as yourself.
ROFLMAO, I really don't care if you track me or ignore me. It's up to you. I never used those features simply because I'm not bothered. If putting a good argument up against you makes you think I'm idiotic or whatever then it shows how much in denial you are. And I thought I would be debating with a respectable person. Sigh. You have failed to counter anything I said with valid points. You said you "could buy the software and distribute it as many times as you want, while still retaining the ability to use it yourself." Is that not the same with letting other people borrowing your copy of the game? That's the thing about PC DRM. It doesn't let you lend your games to other people. That's also "one purchase made. Many people using it." Shall we close down libraries now? A single book can be read by hundreds of people. Yes there are many copies of that book. But if a library buys 10 copies and each copy is read by a hundred people. According to your beloved companies, that's at around 1000 sales lost there, right? Nope wrong. You see the point? You said the right to do anything you want with a product does not work with software. I'm sorry but if I buy a product, I can do whatever I want with it without you or any company or whatever controlling what I do with it. You can't use the excuse that it's software. You cannot take away civil rights and freedoms for the sake of your profits. Also, you say I don't really know that "some people would not have bought it anyway." That's a pathetic response mate. This is known by any person with a couple of braincells. It;s also logical. Any normal person would be glad to accept something for free. But would they have paid for it? A lot of people will say no. Remember, it is FACT that companies lose more money from used games than piracy. PC DRM (especially Ubisoft) makes this obvious here. Anyway, I won't act as arrogant as you by saying you should appreciate me replying to you and "my time is very valuable and I do not normally waste it on people such as yourself." I noticed you started the insults too. But don't worry, they are harmless against me. I have only 1 bubble left which I might comment somewhere else. If you feel you want to carry on discussing, then PM me. I don't mind. But since you've put me on your special little "ignore" list, I doubt that's gonna happen. lol
what ticks me off is the high and mighty bs that people who dont hack there consoles spout. I would bet that over 50% of legit console users would hack there systems if they had half a brain to figure out how to do it. I download games i dont justify it but i do love being able to play every game for the 360....only 10% worthwhile though. lets see them disagrees
I would hate to be poor like you. Its gamers like you that make us look like fools. I buy every single game i get with my hard earned cash, i have a wonderfull collection of games and i am very proud of my collection. It feels good to know that I am helping the industry I love so much by buying games and all the consoles. Here is a tip,get some education and get a job. Ha i studied my ass off and im filty rich..enjoy. @rodeoo "I would bet that over 50% of legit console users would hack there systems if they had half a brain to figure out how to do it" What a follish statement to make. Im an astrophysicist and I will never hack my console. I love playing every game too,the difference is I can afford to buy every game, you cant! It feels good to be better than you in pretty much every way.
I apologize to everyone for resorting to insults. Neither Eamon nor Goldenarmz deserve that. I am quite passionate about this subject but that is no excuse. I will say however that no one who supports piracy deserves my respect.
Try to DRM that :/
Why does this hit the first page everyrime? ALL games except PS3 games are leaked to torrents. I guess it makes MS look bad in some way, and that seems to be what this site is about.