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Spain Confirms That Project Natal Delivers

GT:We've all seen old Project Natal videos showing the primitive E3 09 build of Ricochet that Microsoft keeps showing everywhere until now. Spain got the first look at a newer and improved build of Natal that even though being far from the final version it showed enough improvement to impress the media. Here we gather all the impressions from the Spain media and what they had to say after playing Project Natal.

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green2876d ago

Good to hear that the lag times have reduced significantly. I am sure that the lag with multiple people on screen will be reduced come launch. Now, its to wait and see if they can deliver on the softwear front.

van-essa2876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

As usual, this article is going to be filled with trolls, Green and I are going to get 500 disagrees and the world will keep on spinning.

On topic:
"The receiver sensitivity is amazing, being virtually instantaneous response time in single-player game, where you could identify perfectly the force with which to hit the ball, its direction and distance just waving his arms. That little lag almost imperceptible in the single game is somewhat increased when there are two players on screen, but even so, the reaction of the console is also impressive"

"despite the typical test demo gallery shattering glass boxes and balls, I saw the camera meets and exceeds all expectations"

There you have it. We're still months away from the final product and it's already looking awesome.

Sitris2876d ago

Halo
Fable
Gears
Mass Effect

Personal note, i am against both Move and Natal i need SOFTWARE i dont give a toss about hardware and what it potentially can do. If u need a controller for any natal games then it goes against everything MS has been saying.

leila012876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

Why would you want to play them without a controller? You're still going to play your Halo, Gears... with a controller and Natal could just add something new like T-bagging, crouching, waving your hands (avatar's hands) to say Hello in a MMORPG for instance... the possiblities are endless.

For the core gamers, Natal will enhance what they're already use to. For the casuals it'll make things easier since they don't have buttons to worry about anymore.

Hands Up For Games2876d ago

E3 is going to be the place where we finally see what Natal has to offer, if they only have the Richochet game and the Paint game available then they will be rightly laughed out of the convention centre and Natal will be a failed product.

Do you think that is what MS will show at E3 this year; Richochet and the Paint game or do you think they will have other games to show us?

FPS using Natal only is a no, FPS using Natal in conjunction with a regular controller? I can see that. We also know that Fable 3 will incorporate Natal, though we dont know how.

There will be dozens more articles on here about Natal before E3 and they will all be pointless because MS are not going to show any Games before E3, after that people will either have the ammunition they need to shout down Natal or they may need to eat some humble pie. Either way E3 is going to be a cracker this year for all 3 of the big platforms!!

4Sh0w2876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

It pays to at least know a little bit about something you're questioning, because then you might not ask such an obvious question.

"I think we’ve got the best thumb-based controller ever created,” Mattrick told Edge. “We’re not going to take anything away. There will be controller-based games. What we’re really doing is adding to our platform; when I think about Natal, I think of it like a Guitar Hero controller—it fits the experience better. There will still be games that use the controller, games that use only Natal, and games that use a combination."

“Think, you could be playing a game with a controller and have your character react when you instinctively duck out of the way of an explosion, or the ability to throw a grenade with a gesture. I don’t think of Natal as taking anything away, I see it as adding more."
http://www.edge-online.com/...

"We'll have games that are specifically designed to work only with Natal - not just arcadey games, but real, hardcore, triple-A titles," Kipman enthused.

"Then you'll have some games that are essentially a hybrid - games that work both with the controller and with Natal.

"Why is that interesting? Think about a first-person shooter where I'm using the controller but I'm doing facial tracking by just moving around and looking round corners."
http://www.jolt.co.uk/news/...

So as you can see microsofts been pointing out as far back as E3 09 that Natal can be used in some games as a "controller free" device o it can be used with a standard 360 controller. The key is it all depends of the type of game and of course how the dev WANTS to utilize the tech....and it only takes just a tad bit of imagination to at least assume how Natal could be used in a wide variety of ways in an FPS with use of a standard 360 controller= imo thats what most gamers like me want to see from Natal. I have so many ideas myself, its a shame microsoft hasn't contacted me yet, lol, if you like I will PM you some.

GameOn2876d ago

The only advantage to Natal for me is that it can be used in conjunction with the traditional controller. That should hopefully mean that it can be implemented into many different games for many different reasons.

Some examples could be:
Leaning around corners in Halo.
Expressions/gestures in Fable.
could be used for taunting the opposing team in Gears.
Could be used for team commands in Mass Effect.

Yeah, so basically its is the small additions to traditional games that interests me rather than "controllerless gaming" which is clearly aimed towards the casual crowd.

BTW I am in no way sold on Natal yet but i will be keeping an open mind.

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Gue12876d ago

Even if Natal's being implemented with traditional controller would you pay an additional ammount of $60(price for Natal?) just to wave your hands? That's stupid. Incredibly stupid...

van-essa2876d ago

"could be used for taunting the opposing team in Gears."
"Could be used for team commands in Mass Effect."
"Could also be used in MMORPGs for the gesstures like dancing, saluting"

Wow I can already see myself controlling my avatar with Natal. Either it's the taunting in Gears or the gestures in MMORPGs, or the face recognition is RPGs (Natal can even tell when you're happy or frowning your face...). I hope devs implement these well in future games.

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KionicWarlord2222876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

Yeah that wasn't , ill fix it .

sorry...

right and wrong2876d ago

"Please tell me how you play the following games without any controller"

Simple...You use a controller! Once again not every game will require Natal and MS never said they would.

"Personal note, i am against both Move and Natal i need SOFTWARE i dont give a toss about hardware and what it potentially can do."

Then don't come into Move or natal threads if they don't interest you. Why bring up Move anyway? This is Natal were talking about.

"If u need a controller for any natal games then it goes against everything MS has been saying."

Oh quit hating already! The only people not telling the truth are the ones spreading Fud like you and not excepting the truth. Grow up and quit trying to sound credible.

OT: I look forward to seeing what the people of Spain saw come E3. By June 15th it can only get better.

Microsoft Xbox 3602876d ago

Why do a tech demo at a foreign country with little to no media coverage? All we have is that one leaked video of the girl being bored to death in the bg. Where are the PUBLIC tech demos like what Sony is doing with the Move? Natal's tech not living up to its promise?

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van-essa2876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

That's how marketing works. Nintendo is doing it (Vitality sensor, Wii, 3DS...) and Microsoft is doing it. I'd like to explain why they're doing it but I would be wasting even more time on you...

Bigpappy2876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

Okay so the lag is not the issue, if you can believe any of these media outlets, so now we have to wait for E3 to see some software. M$ must have payed all of these corrupted media outlet off. They probably had to pay them double and Spain is not exactly an Xbox strong hole.

Disclosure: I am a 360 owner who is very excited about the feature set Natal brings to gaming. I see it as very attractive to casuals, since they can just get in front of the Tv act silly and have a load of fun laughing at each other while
As for the hard core, some will enjoy the casual time with friends and family. Other will just have to wait and see how developers use Natal along with the controller. For PS3 fanboys: The Move is focused on you guys early. You will get Socom, LBP, Heavy Rain and RE early after the Move releases. I hope Sony can improve on some issues I noticed, but hope you guys get a good produce you can enjoy. You never know. May be the Move will shock us at E3 and the Natal will fail (like you ask for in your daily prays to the N4G gods). Not likely from my perspective.

Another thing: while PS3 owners try to figure out how Gears and Halo play with Natal ( If u need a controller for any natal games then it goes against everything MS has been saying)there will be a controller for FPS, Natal would have sold millions and the rest of us will be enjoying the new features that Natal bring to the table. If I were you I would just go play some "Exclusives" and stop worrying so much about the poor 360 owners like myself. Halo and Gears don't need Natal. The 360 controller is perfect for those games. But we sure are looking forward to some great Natal fun, before and after Halo games. Can't F'ing wait!

bjornbear2876d ago

la mayoria de vosotros non saben donde esta questo pais, pero aceptan la sua opinione

la mayoria de voy eres TRONCOS xD

- on topic -

my spanish is ok in speech but terrible in writing xD still i think i said it right =), but yeah thats all I have to say...

still, hopefully they will show something more solid at E3, i expect more

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JokesOnYou2876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

"Personal note, i am against both Move and Natal i need SOFTWARE i dont give a toss about hardware and what it potentially can do."

-Then why are you here?...and do you follow "wii-move" threads saying the same thing? lmfao, we know the answer already.

"If u need a controller for any natal games then it goes against everything MS has been saying."

hmmm, this is dated June 4, 2009, it highlights micros plans for Natal to be used both as a "hands free controller" >>AND<< with a 360 controller:
http://www.edge-online.com/...
“Think, you could be playing a game with a controller and have your character react when you instinctively duck out of the way of an explosion, or the ability to throw a grenade with a gesture. I don’t think of Natal as taking anything away, I see it as adding more."

-So, NO its people like YOU who spread FUD and make up shiii all the time that makes n4g a funny place to laugh at the delusional fanboys and sad place when you realize they might actually not ever grow out of it.

@Saaking/Saga Kin, you clearly don't understand marketing, micro advertises natals ablility to do "controller-less experience" because its something the competition does not do, a good marketing strategy always aims to advertise your advantages over your competitors, that however does NOT mean it is the only way to use Natal. Does ps3 only play bluray movies? No, but early advertising of the ps3 made it a very big emphasis of what the ps3 was capable of; maybe even to a fault with some media criticism at the time saying there was too much focus on the bluray aspect and not enough on games, either way the point is don't confuse advertising a advantage with the idea that a product is limited to whats highlighted in the advertising, especially when we know micro definitely wants to find a way to grab the wii's audience attention.

JOY

Bigpappy2876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

Why, because it is so feasible? "But..,but M$ said....". Pleeeease, enough already! Either it will work well with the controller or it will not. The developer and M$ said that some game will work better with a controller and some will have to use both. Why does the PS3 need the 2 controllers and a camera when they already have DS3 and Six Axis? Who the fck cares? They make them. You buy them. Or you leave them on the F'ing shelves. Is being a PS3 owner a brain defect?

n4gno2876d ago

"Why would you want to play them without a controller? You're still going to play your Halo, Gears... with a controller and Natal could just add something new like T-bagging, crouching, waving your hands (avatar's hands) to say Hello in a MMORPG for instance... the possiblities are endless"

exactly, but it was called eye toy before :)

dc12876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

"could be used for taunting the opposing team in Gears."
"Could be used for team commands in Mass Effect."
"Could also be used in MMORPGs for the gestures like dancing, saluting"
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Good reference Van-essa - I will be picking up the Move,.. but will wait and see how Natal is functionally incorporated into the games I (my family)prefer to play. Honestly,... I have resisted the purchase of the 360 for a number of reason (not from a financial perspective as M$ has made the 360 a very easy purchase). If Natal pans out - it could very well replace the Wii - which has been a complete failure in our house hold - wife two kids. Really, nothing against Nintendo (they continue to be marketing juggernauts), However, my wife and son has forced me to purchase another PS3.. while my Wii sits.. and the controls lose battery charge... not from over use,.. but from prolong periods between use...

Christopher2876d ago

Spain Confirms! Videos unavailable to prove it!

I'll wait till E3.

ActionBastard2876d ago

I won't believe it until Norway confirms.

palaeomerus2876d ago

" Even if Natal's being implemented with traditional controller would you pay an additional ammount of $60(price for Natal?) just to wave your hands? That's stupid. Incredibly stupid... "

Well silly straw man arguments like the above are almost ALWAYS incredibly stupid. That's why making them is a waste of time. They almost never persuade anybody.

boodybandit2876d ago

Distance from the camera.
Lighting needed if any.
Response time/delay ms.

All of my gaming areas have issues. Two of them I sit really close to my display and my 3rd one is in a theater with no windows and it has minimal light because of my projectors lms.

I am looking forward to all of these questions being answered at E3. This place seems rather slow lately for news but in a few weeks it's going to explode. I cant wait! I'm already getting geeked up for it.

right and wrong2876d ago

Well BoodyBandit you definitely have some good questions. I'm sure it will work fine in the dark especially since your going to be able to use it for watching movies and scrolling.

darkequitus2876d ago

Look at he Primsense specs as it does not use 3DV

Distance from the camera. - 0.8m - 3.5m
Lighting needed if any. - None Scene illumintated by Near IR
Response time/delay ms. - 3-4 ms from interview

boodybandit2876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

So you are saying Natal will/should have the same or similar specs as what you listed?

Anon19742876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

It really doesn't matter if the Natal tech delivers or not. Microsoft hasn't yet shown anything that I'd be interested in playing and you can have the best gaming tech in the world but with no games to play, who cares? Where are the games?

Let's hope for their sake they have something to show actual gamers at E3 and not that same breakout game. Games like that have been available on PC's with webcams for 10 years now. No one cares. Show us actual games, like Move has done with games like Socom. Oh, but wait. You've told developers not to make shooter games because they won't work with Natal. So whatcha got for gamers then? Milo? Paint Party? That "Jump up in the air" Skateboard game? Slowed down Burnout?

Tricksy2876d ago

to wave my hands or make any other random gesture in game.

I remember when 360 fanbois were saying "This is the new face of gaming! Hands free technology! How innovative"

Now we have "It will be used with a controller!" "We can make gestures!" "Hardcore players wont be playing with only Natal, but it will be supplementing normal gameplay"

Ridiculous! HHAHAHAHAHAHA 360 fanbois are hilarious.

You told us your M$ lovers had created something innovative- FAIL, EYETOY

You told us that we would not need controllers- FAIL, now we need to use both, just to "enhance normal gameplay"

You told us this was new gaming- FAIL, now its just normal gameplay with handwaving and tauting... Taunting... how very 360

PS3 owners have told you repeatedly that your tech is old, its not the future of gaming, its not a new console and hardcore players will not be using it for any worthwhile game.

Its casual and guess what... its a gimmick. Get used to it.

You know, like the version of DS's that you can blow into... blowing into a console!!!! Its the future!!!! No its a gimick, like Natal.

right and wrong2876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

Why all the hate? There should be plenty of Natal news come E3. MS doesn't need to give Sony any ideas of what to expect until June 15th. It makes perfect since to keep it under wraps until E3 to catch them off guard until it's ready. By making Sony show there hand (with move) MS puts themselves in an even greater position. Natal will be huge so go ahead and hate all you like.

@ tricksey: Natal will be shown at E3. Not one person outside of MS knows if it will live up to the hype or die trying. You laugh at 360 fan-boy's but I laugh at PS3 fan-boy's always trying to voice there opinion like it's important and truthful. If you prefer Move and Ps3 that's fine but Natal is on a totally different level.

ChickeyCantor2876d ago

" SOFTWARE"

Software is nothing without the hardware.... =D

pixelsword2876d ago

I think his kid will love it, and with no controller, it means no chance of a small child flinging a controller into an expensive HDTV.

The only problem is I already gave my brother's wife a Wii game in anticipation of the purchase. If I can talk him into waiting until E3, I'm almost certain he'll get Natal if the price is right.

Anon19742876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

If I came on here, bashing Natal having never played it, that would be irrational hate.
What I'm saying is for a apparently "revolutionary" product, we've seen nothing that we haven't seen elsewhere before. Maybe it is something new, but again it'll need the games to back it up if it hopes to win the hearts and minds of gamers. I want to see more and actually play the thing before making my final call.

This is just an observation. You want hate, go look at articles about Move and watch people call the product names, make dildo references and scream at the top of their lungs that it's a Wii clone - all without never having played the damn thing.

Christopher2876d ago

***Lighting needed if any. - None Scene illumintated by Near IR***

There are issues in low-light environs where it doesn't resort to IR. I have this issue in my house where I don't have direct overhead lighting, but lighting from a light to the side and from the other side coming in from outside. This results in a very grainy picture and makes it harder to capture my body shape and increases the chances of background objects being inappropriately read as a portion of a body.

Hopefully between now and release they implement software options that enable the user to determine when the IR should be used in addition to the camera.

***Response time/delay ms. - 3-4 ms from interview***

Response time is not at all 3-4ms for display on the screen. More than likely that's the time/delay for when the hardware receives and the software can begin to process the data received. That's also likely in an ideal situation.

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I can't wait to see what Microsoft shows at E3 and I really hope they implement configuration options that make it possible in all room types and lighting environments.

baum2875d ago

And yet choose to ignore the videos of the celebrities playing with Natal, where anyone with a brain can see how much it fails in terms of lag, not to mention how retarded anyone looks playing Natal. No serious gamer can possibly think that Natal will be required for hardcore games.

Also, it's hilarious how the same crowd of Xbox apologists says that Natal will be used in conjunction. As somebody said above, what would be the point of getting Natal then? Pointless. The way "Move" is implemented is the way to go, and while it may not have two "eyes", it's been proven to do pretty much everything that Natal does, and more due to its integration with the controller interface.

Basically, natal fails at basic gaming tasks and in spite of its specs, it doesn't do anything other interfaces can't.

right and wrong2875d ago

Then my bad for misunderstanding you. E3 should be interesting for both Move and Natal so I guess we just need to wait.

gaffyh2875d ago

There's no video? We've heard multiple journalists say the lag is hardly noticeable, but when we've seen videos after that, the lag is very noticeable.

This is just the same sh*t, when will MS show anything other than that crappy ricochet???

DOMination2875d ago

You'll get all your proof tomorrow when CliffyB stuns the world with incredible Natal support in Gears 3.

GiantEnemyCrab2875d ago

"For the core gamers, Natal will enhance what they're already use to. For the casuals it'll make things easier since they don't have buttons to worry about anymore."

Another great comment from Leila! That's how I feel about it as well.

For me, I am looking forward to how Natal can enhance the "core" games I currently enjoy. The casuals can have their mini-game Wii type stuff if they want that and have no worries about buttons. The 2 can co-exist and I hope MS gives both sides of the coin equal time, money and support.

Mikeyy2875d ago

@leila01

Use Natal to T-bag people? THIS is the future of gaming? Inconcievable!

Jaces2875d ago

meh, nothing new. E3's right around the corner, I expect something more than just hitting a ball.

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4Sh0w2876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

No its not proof, its just some recognized media sites from Spain who've had hands on with the latest build of Natal giving their impressions, which is infinitely more creditable than some random fanboy who hates all things microsoft and has never interacted with Natal himself but of course spits out his opinion of the device as if it were fact.

oh btw, almost every piece of news posted on n4g is NOT proof of anything, just news from devs, journalists, industry insiders, bloggers, & etc opinions.

rexus123452876d ago

this is a preview, and it's sort of a universal rule that you can't say any thing negative in a preview unless the product is really horrible.
I guess this article proves Natal is at least NOT a total disaster.

wardi2876d ago

The real question is whether or not microsoft can line up some good software- something i sadly doubt

Bill Gates2876d ago

Sorry BABOONS, but you will all be turned into arm waving BABOONS in a few months.....AHAHHAHAHHA

NateNater2876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

Bill Gates calling Natal a failure = WTF EPIC WIN LOL

;-)

Deadman642876d ago

Poor Sir Ken :'( he's so sad Sony has gotten no attention so far...and the rest of the year!

What are they gonna deliver resistance 3?? hahahaha

Splinter Cell, Alan Wake, Natal, Reach, Gears 3 is grabbing all the attention now :'(

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Omega42876d ago

Considering MS has be updating it constantly throughout the year its not surprising it delivers.

All MS needs to do now is have that one must have game which demonstrates Natal's capabilities and bundle it with a Slim 360 and they got the holidays in the bag.

Pedobear Rocks2876d ago

Holidays in the bag, in North America

And by 'in the bag' you mean 2nd most sales in North America.

Other than those 2 slight corrections, you're good.

PBR

fox022876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

The U.S is a given; despite everything the PS3 has, is right now (affordable bluray player, with amazing first party games, free online, reliability...) the X360 still outsells it in the US (we have no numbers for Europe as a whole, but we know it's, and by far, #2 in the UK).

So, when Natal, Reach, Fable... price drop, X360slim... release this fall, the only place the PS3 will be selling more than the X360 will be in Japan (assuming it outsells the X360 in some places other than in Japan).

n4gno2876d ago (Edited 2876d ago )

your equation is ignoring "move" (best motion controler) and future ps3 price drop (bye bye competitors)

xaviertooth2876d ago

yeah it delivers frustration. as long lag will shy away potential casual fans which the 360 do not have it will prevent those people to try it because it will almost be impossible to play it more like it doesn't work so how will they play?

Wrathman2876d ago

your butt looks like it hurts

howjord2876d ago

did you actually read the article??