Associatedcontent: One of the most expensive components is without doubt the video card. Only the "extreme" processors are more expensive.
"If you are the type of gamer which focuses on a few titles yearly (maximum 5 let's say, and those are not RTS'), then a console is the thing for you." I think that is pretty accurate, I find myself gaming a lot more on my PC, I buy probably 3-4 games a month from Steam deals, I have too much to play it's hard to keep up, but if you're pretty casual there is not doubt consoles are a better investment in the long run. BTW if you spend more than $700-800 on a high-end rig, you did something wrong.
anyone who can bypass great steam deals not including the Holiday sale and STILL come out with 5 games yearly needs to stop gaming period :D My rig is 2 going on 3 years old specs in my bio and once I upgrade my GPU to let's say a 5870 or GTX 480 i've just extended the life of my system another 3 to 4 years and every game I've purchased will STILL be playable on that system. It's a 50/50 chance if the games I have on my ps3 will be playable on the ps4...... Expensive? depends on the buyer and budget. Rewarding? can't be denied.
I spent $1600 on my current PC, but I do a lot more than just gaming on my PC. The i7 helps a lot when it comes to video editing and After Effects. Helps with 3DS and Maya renders aswell.
For everyone else, HD consoles start at $299.
most expensive...most rewarding...
Everyone NEEDS a PC nowadays, a basic but reasonable PC will cost £350, new. A good gaming PC costs minimum £500, only £150 different, or roughly console price. So if you are buying a PC, which you will have to, why no make it a gaming one and skip the console. When one factors in lower game cost, no online fee, often free DLC...
I just built a pc that maxes out bc2 @ 1080p averaging 60-70fps for a little less then $800. I was very impressed with it and now I have a few more people (console gamers) that want the same setup. I'm gonna be very busy this month.
I'm VERY close to pulling the trigger on a 5870, but I'm still not 100% sure that I will be happy if I do. I have been gaming on consoles (only) for my entire life, but I have decided that I want to start gaming on my PC, but only if the difference between it and my consoles is a big one (hence my reason for considering the 5870). I'm worried that I will drop the cash for the 5870 only to find that the differences are not that great (playing on a 50" B650 1080P Samsung plasma, by the way). I suspect that the first time I pop in Crysis my fears will vanish, however. :D
I have a 5850 here, you may want to consider it, very close power, not so expensive. Can max out EVERY game I own, and I own all the high ends ones. I have played a lot of console games recently, trust me, you won't have ANY difficulty seeing the difference :D
Cool, thanks for the info. I'm considering the 5850 also, but I think in the end I am gonna go all-out and get the 5870 (just to play it safe).
Well, a faster card can't hurt :D But be sure you are not wasting money that may be better spent on the other parts of your PC. Remember, easy to upgrade a graphics card, processor is not as easy.
I don't see how any gamer could live on 5 games a year. 5 games? That's just being starved.
For me, pc gaming is just a different experience. Its not always about the specs, or how much better does this look than the console. Its the different variety of games we get. Especially when it comes to the RTS genre. People debate on here about how long games are. God of War is 8 hours long. Conviction is 5 hours long. Thats good fanboy banter. But on pc, getting enthralled in a great campaign of Medieval Total War is ridiculous. Sitting at your desk, what seems like minutes, in actuality its hours, doing your best to take over the known world. Or save your faction from extinction. No set time for completion, you play at your pace. Or popping in Sins of A solar empire, conquering the galaxy one planet at a time. Hours and hours of fun. And you decide on the type of game you want to play. Small quick battles. Or take on large clusters of solar systems. Have half of the field on your side. Or take on everyone and be the lone ranger, getting attacked from all sides. Supreme Commander, another great title. Just my opinion though. Many other great games in other genres also. And dont forget about xfire. The pc version of xbox live/PSN.
@ColdFire I think I'm in a pretty good position with what I currently have: Phenom II X4 945 6 gigs DDR2 1 TB HDD 850 Watt PSU Creative XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro sound card My current GPU is a Radeon 2400 pro, so that is definitely my weakest link. @Software Lover I hate RTS games. :( I wish I didn't, because I know that they rule (for those that like them) on the PC. I appreciate your insight, though. Maybe someday I will start to like them. :) About 95% of my time is spent playing FPS/TPS games.
@1.7 Just get a reference 5850 and overclock the hell out of it. At 1000 core/1200 memory its faster then a stock 5870.
I considered that, but I have no experience with overclocking things and I am worried that I will eff something up. lol
@bubbles sounds like me and you are going to have extremely similar setups. Phenom II x4 940 @ 3.6ghz HD5870 6gb DDR2 800 750watt corsair PSU though I run more than 1 HDD Crysis is buttery smooth maxed out. I have yet to try Crysis Warhead but have played it and like it more than original crysis. You'll notice insane differences in fps shooters. Because of the MW2 free weekend on steam I was able to properly make a comparison of MW2 between pc and 360 mostly for a cousin of mine who doesn't know too much about pc gaming. http://7mtjgq.bay.livefiles... I had the 360 and the pc running on the same monitor (24" Acer GD235hz: 360 on hdmi pc on DVI I just switched between sources) you won't regret the 5870. borrow a few monitors/tv's and try and put together an eyefinity setup if only for an hour or so just to see how awesome it is. you'll be glad you went with it.
Nice, thanks for the info.
When you get your PC setup, be sure to try Dawn of War 2 demo on Steam, it's not your traditional RTS game, more like and action/RPG game, extremely fun in coop.
Not sure you will need the sounds card, I got one, I can't see much of a difference from my integrated one, and some games, (BFBC2), don't even use it. You HAVE to try some RTS and/or stratergy games, I can understand you may have been put off but the console versions, but they are one of the more rewarding genres.
The PC is a much more rewarding platform to game on than the consoles. You get cheaper games, mods,precise controls, high resolution graphics and you can do so much more with the pc than consoles. As for costs, pc gaming is relatively cheap, all you need is to know where to get the right parts from. Even a 8800gtx can run games on high. As a long term investment, the pc ultimately provides the satisfaction and a rewarding gaming experience with being able to do so much more than a console.
If you can't notice the difference between a high-end Sound card and on-board sound card, then I hate to say it, but you're doing it wrong. BFBC2 does use high end sound. You need to have Surround Sound or a really nice headset to hear it though. My headset is Surround Sound and I can hear things you wouldn't believe. You can hear people sneaking up on you, tell where that Shell came from, Even tell exactly where the enemy is because he had to reload and you heard him scream it. But yeah, in regards to everyone above, I spent a grand on my laptop. I can run BFBC2 on High with mild overclocking on the processor. It also has an nVidia GTX 260m in it.
Receiving all of your components taking precious time to put everything together (mod what you want) and then hit the power button and everything flows. Now if only devs would take more of an interest in pc gaming, and optimize games for the hardware thats out there. GPU's are getting ridiculously amazing but the games still lag. We have quad core cpu's but most devs are still using single core code. There are a few that are up on their game. Cant wait to build my new rig
Its asking a lot out of a developer to optimize code for every gpu and cpu out there. Its not so much a lack of interest, but too many products from the hardware developers.
But have you ever looked at some of the system requirements on some of these games? Some games are still saying you need atleast a 256mb card. WTF. Nothing less than 512mb IMHO. There are other things I think could be done different but its just my opinion, and plus I dont like to just talk blindly, LOL. I like to have some facts to back up stuff. But yes it is hard for pc devs to optimize because of all of the different rigs.
That is why ATi and Nvidia develop drivers, performance updates and work with developers to improve the games ATi only ask TSMC to produce one chip for the HD 5000 series Nvidia only ask TSMC to produce one chip for the GT 400 series For example the GTX 470 100% identical to GTX 480 they are the same chip but features or cores are disabled What makes them different is that the GTX 470 has 2 SM (Streaming Multiprocessors) disabled and the GTX 480 has 1 SM disable due to the TDP of the fermi being so high Each SM has: 32 unified shaders and 4 texture units this is correct for both the GTX 470 and 480 The GTX 470 has 40 ROP units and the GTX 480 has 48 Each set of 4 SM have 10 ROPs on the GTX 470 Each set of 4 SM have 12 ROPs on the GTX 480 The only real differences is the amount of memory and memory interface which is 320bit on the GTX 470 and 384bit on the GTX 480 but this is most likely off the chip and on the PCB which communicates with the memory controllers on board the chips or they can disable lanes which I'm not sure about. Clock speeds always differ I could go on and talk about How similar the HD 5830 and HD 5870 is as they have the same Chip and PCB again only features and/ or cores will be disabled
well since they say its cheaper to build a gaming rig i bet it will be cheaper to turn my pc into a gaming rig no? cuz i want to do it and the one game will be reason enough to jusify it
depends what are your current pcs specs? if they're too outdated you'd be better off to go with a hole new rig(all though there's always some parts you could salvage that like DVD drives, hard drives,tower etc because they never really become outdated)
I only spent around £340 for my first build and the rewards was so good I have spent over £700 to get my current build were it is today I have also spent around £500 on steam and got 116 games out of it PC it only does everything
"PC it only does everything" Agree, bubbles, props...
I agree, I've found that PS3 ad untrue, since PS3 is limited more to gaming but a PC (with the right components) can pretty much do everything, sure without a blu-ray drive it won't do blu-ray, but put one in it and it will.
I think if someone's thinking of spending 600-700 on a pre built one they should definitely build their own gaming rig for that. I'm starting to build my AMD Dragon gaming rig for just over 600.
A person could put better parts into a rig they build themselves than a rig prebuilt at 600 euro. You are paying for labour etc for a prebuilt PC and the parts arent near as good as a PC you build yourself at the same price. My first few computers I bought (starting 8 years ago) were all pre built Intel machines. 5 Years ago I started building computers in a computer shop and got discounts on parts so I built my very own gaming rig 5 years ago (My father owns that now and it still runs perfectly). That rig lasted three years for me until I built this rig two years ago. It is by far cheaper to build your own gaming rig if you know how than buy a pre built gaming rig. For an every day use computer (for the internet etc) it isnt much cheaper though. I wouldnt buy a pre built gaming rig any more nor ill I pay somebody to fix my rig when I know how to do it myself.
Why would somoene buy all the highest end stuff when it's not going to be needed for a long time? The only time you need to have the latest and greatest is when you render in 3D and edit video since even on the fastest PC's today it takes a long time.
For people like me who upgrade every 3 - 5 years it makes sense to buy the greatest so that if games start working the hardware hard then you are sorted for at least 5 - 6 years. My next upgrade will have to last me at least 6 years so I am going to buy good (but not the best) parts.
I was reffering to the best (going overboard and getting something like a i9), to my knowledge a 5770 would be good for a few more years, a 5850/5870 may last longer, and getting a mobo that supports a lot more RAM than you buy at first is probably a good idea as far as CPU get the best Price:Performance, i7 if you can afford it, if you can't get a Phenom II x4, both are good, though intel is better, but if you can't afford the extra money I wouldn't go for it.
Im going to go with a Core I7 920 with 6GB of fast ram , Corsair Obsidian 800D and 1000Watt PSU so that I can do either SLI or Crossfire. I will have the one GPU at first and buy a second just before the GPU I have dies out (Sales wise). I will be set for at least six years that way. I will also be looking for a motherboard with USB 3 and Sata 3.0. If by chance my motherboard , CPU and ram is still good in six years I will be able to expand to a SATA 3 SSD and USB 3 peripherals. The only thing I will have to upgrade at that time except HDD / SSD is my GPU if all other hardware is good.
Went and bought a laptop for $350 this weekend and it can run Left 4 Dead with 2xMSAA and everything else on medium or high from 25-45FPS, now if you're wanting to run Crysis or something like that with Max setting you're gonna have to spend alot more but if you are fine with games running on medium settings you can accomplish this for $350-$550....not to mention MOST pc games are cheaper than console games, but i will always prefer a game console over PC for gaming.
was it a laptop or a netbook? just asking. but gaming on a laptop is not good in my book. Hard to upgrade components outside of ram and hard drive based on my experience and the gpu memory is shared. the 5750 in my rig once I turn a game on; all that juice is going to the game. dragon age, bad company 2, mass effect, tf2, and batman AA are the games I'm playing right now on the pc and all can run at high settings. Unless one has serious money to blow a gaming laptop is not the first choice.
Desktops have a much better performance to value rate than laptops for the same money you spent on that laptop you could have built a PC that would run L4D all max at a solid 60fps with 4x AA and 16x anisotropic filtering my PC only cost $460 Canadian(it'll actually have cost me $320 if those mail in rebates I sent in ever come back :/) and it runs it with 16x AA, 16x anisotropic at 1080p with around 90-140fps per second. I did buy all the parts on black Friday though and I looked around for good deals.
It's a laptop, and yes i know a PC would of been better but i wanted something cheap that i could easily transport (bought it mainly for a portable music studio but also use it for light gaming).
my gaming PC i built 2 years ago cost upwards 1.2k, (my dad paid for the supplies :P ) PC gaming is expensive, if you want an amazing experience, but since college i've ditched PC gaming in general. I only play the LAN RTS support games. (aoe2)
What kind of rig you got? I hardly know anyone that quit PC Gaming because it was "too expensive".
A PC will be a much better long-term investment. It's like when you sign up for a mobile phone. Some phones might have a higher initial price, but the long term contract will end up costing you more after a few years. Say you buy a PC for $800 vs a PS3 or 360 for $300 - if you buy 40 games in a year on the console, you'll end up paying $400 more for those games on the console than you would have on PC. That in itself almost makes up the price deficit between a nice gaming PC and a console. Not to mention you're going to need a PC anyway. Having a nice PC greatly improves your general internet surfing experience, and you probably use it for a couple hours a day so, and it being faster will help you get more done in less time :)
I have actually spent much less this generation on PC gaming than i have on Console Gaming. My PS3 cost me £510 at launch while my PC cost me only £427 and aswell as playing games my PC can also help me with my college work allowing me to use 3ds max and Sony Vegas. Getting some of the steam deals are great too, i paid £5 for GTA IV and £10 for the Crysis Maximum Edition during the winter sale. My rig, with a dual core E6300 OC'ed to 3.376GHz, 4GB RAM and an ATi Radeon 5770 can play all the latest games easily with GTA IV running at 30FPS+ maxed out with graphics mods, I even got Metro 2033 to run at around 40FPS everything maxed except DX11. I might be considering a new mobo+cpu but ill give this years games a try out first before i do it.
When I'm at home I'm usually gaming on the PC, and sometimes the PS3. Biggest problem with the article is that they fail to mention that PC gaming is much cheaper than console gaming. Lets look at the cost. Now just about everyone already owns and HD TV right? So I'm not going to include that in the console price BUT just about everybody NEEDS a computer? Now even you want to get a new computer from some one like Dell or something it's probably going to cost about 600 to 1200+$? Why not completely skip buying a PC and get a gaming PC, since they can do anything a PC can but better. If you build your own gaming PC, or get a custom gaming PC they're usually CHEAPER than getting an expensive Dell PC. So if you're getting a gaming PC you can SAVE money, while a console will cost about 299$. Now if you're talking about games? Console games tend to start 60$ new and later sometimes reach 40$ used. PC gaming? New games usually are 50$ maximum, sometimes during sales or holidays games on PC can get as cheap as 9$ or less. Full games too, Not minigames or stupid flash games consoles get for $14.99. Not to mention piracy is always an option. Free emulators too. I can emulate any DS, Wii, 360, PS2, Xbox, SNES game on my PC. A lot of PS3 games have fuked up architecture which make it impossible to emulate. PC gaming is much cheaper and much more rewarding than console gaming.
Can you emulate a 360?
Dont think we can emulate 360's yet. But yea the rest of what he says is true, PC is the cheapest platform to game on. Also one major advantage is Backward compatibility. Imagine on consoles. 1 game costs 60usd. In a generation of 7 years if 70 games are bought thats an investment of usd4200. What happens when the next gen consoles role out? well there are high chances this investment will be dead. Either the console will not have BC or the console maker soon will pull the plug on multiplayer. Buying the same 70games on pc would be cheaper by atleast 700-1000usd(more if we consider the DD deals on PC), thats enough money to make a high end rig itself imo.
Not yet. Give it a couple years.
where do you guys get your stuff from i need to build a new pc but i want to know where to buy the parts PM me
newegg, amazon, tiger direct that's all I ever use. As of the moment TigerDirect is my goto parts store first because of bing cashback (get 10% back of whatever you buy from them in your paypal account). I get charged tax from newegg now since I moved back to Cali but I still buy from them if it's something less than $100 as they won me over with their delivery times and customer service.
I used Tiger Direct until Newegg came to Canada. Newegg generally has cheaper prices but it's a good idea to look at more than one e-tailer. TigerDirect often times has free shipping deals.
Shameless plug here but: http://www.memoryexpress.co... Only ship to Canada, but a great site for researching upgrades nonetheless. Check out the product categories on the left, or the system configurator link at the top.
thanks guys time to find some cheap parts
Ewiz.com or zipzoomfly.com are pretty good as well if you live outside of California.
there is no still fully working ps2 emulator.Yes there re many of them,but NONE of them works in every ps2 game,it works in 1 game doesnt work in other.Myself tested. And pretty good rig is needed.(3,4 gigs of ram,c2d at least) and some of u still dont get GAMES re the main reason people get consoles.u can count on future investments with pc,save bux here and there,but that wont change the fact that there is no uncharted,mgs,halo,gt,forza,lb p,kz,resistance,crackdown,alan, hr,mag,demon souls,rdr,vanquish.......for pc only users.
"BTW if you spend more than $700-800 on a high-end rig, you did something wrong." I think you need to adjust your view of what a "high-end" rig is. I just ordered the parts for my new "high-end" rig, and the processor alone costs more than $800. I didn't do anything wrong, I just didn't settle for "mid-range" when I chose my parts.
You just settled for an overpriced CPU then.
Your logic is ... ummm ... well you have none. Saying someone settled for an over-priced CPU dictates that you can buy the same power for a lot less ... which you can't. My CPU may be expensive, but over priced? I guess that's down to how much you can afford really. I just happen to be in the fortunate position of being able to afford it. I do know that some $800 rig is not going to be in anyway near as powerful as one which costs 4 or 5 times that amount, not simply because of the price tag either ;) While I concede you can build a good system for $800, you cannot class it as high-end by any stretch of the imagination.
I have a i7 920 oc @ 3.2 6 gigs ddr 1600 mem a kingwin 1000 watt power supply 8800gts and an intel ssd. I could use some suggestions on which to go with ATI or Nvidia.
one melts your face, the other melts your case ;) I'd hold off on the initial release of the 480. It's a beast at sub-2560x resolutions, but you can boil water on it's heatsink, and start a car with it's power draw. Not regretting my 5870 at all.
I was looking at the evga hydrocopper watercooled 480gtx or the powercolor watercooled 5870. So I don't think the heat would be that bad but the power issues of the 480 might be a problem.
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