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Heavy Rain is a Wii Dream

TQcast Author Writes: When Heavy Rain was released, the first thing that came to mind was, "man, I can't wait to see Madison Paige naked". After a few hours in to the game, controlling Madison in the shower with a Dual Shock 3, I realized that Heavy Rain was indeed missing something. Although I had no problem with the controls, I felt like Heavy Rain needed a little more interaction to complement the game. Perhaps a blow up Madison Paige Doll or Flesh light, to simulate and stimulate the Madison and Ethan love scene? Or maybe a pair of real 3D glasses to go with Norman Jayden's virtual office? But then it hit me, "why the heck didn't Heavy Rain come bundled with a PlayStation Move controller?". The game would have been that much more interactive, and sexy. And why isn't this game on the Wii?

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alphakennybody3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

Unless I misread it, Heavy Rain is getting a ps move patch once it hit the shelves.

Chupa-Chupa3006d ago

You read right sir, it's actually further down the article.

ChickeyCantor3006d ago

Didnt one of the guy say he doesnt believe the Wii-crowd would play this game( which in my opinion is a load of crap) then why are they making a Move patch ...

callahan093006d ago

Why would anyone want to see the visuals downgraded for Heavy Rain? The great graphics are part of the appeal here, for sure. The Wii could definitely handle the graphics and animation on display in this game, and lowering those features would make it less immersive. Not to mention that there is so much data on the disc that it wouldn't fit on a Wii disc, and breaking up the pace with a disc change wouldn't be too kind to the experience either. And finally, doesn't Sony own the rights to the game? Even if David Cage wanted to bring it to the Wii, I don't believe he can.

Qui-Gon Jim3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

...the graphics are an integral part of the experience. The characters need to be as realistic and expressive as possible in order for the player to be able to empathize with them to the degree required for this game. If they were more "cartoonish" we could still empathize with them somewhat, but it would not have near the same impact. They would seem more like toys to play with than people to care about.

raztad3006d ago

Game isnt in the Wii because Nintendo absolutely despise working on/supporting mature games. HR needed strong support and Sony believed in it. Thats why this is a Sony exclusive and not multiplat.

Although graphics add a lot to the immersion you can downgrade HR to PS2 visuals and it would still be an enjoyable game, as Farenheit was, however the Wii audience is not the right one for this game.

poindat3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

First off, this guy is one of the reasons why gamers never get taken seriously. Really, wtf.

Second, he is ENTIRELY wrong in his assumption that Heavy Rain was made for casual gamers. Do any of you seriously think that casual gamers would have the patience to sit through the slower moments and cutscenes? No, they wouldn't. And even if it was a "casual" game, that does not automatically mean that it belongs on the Wii. This guy obviously lives by preconceived notions; false notions. It's not like casual games can't exist on the 360 or PS3; in fact, they can, and will in order to thrive and reach full marketable potential.

Then you also have to factor in visuals. Yeah you can downgrade the visuals to fit on the Wii, but why would you want to? They go a long way in creating a more believable environment--which leads to a more believable story, the integral part of the game.

This guy is a fool.

ChickeyCantor3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

" Second, he is ENTIRELY wrong in his assumption that Heavy Rain was made for casual gamers. Do any of you seriously think that casual gamers would have the patience to sit through the slower moments and cutscenes? No, they wouldn't. "

And wtf do you know?

Casual gamers dont read books? or go to a Movie? Or do other stuff?
You pretend casual gamers all have one type of character/personality .

Heavy rain is by no means a " Hardcore " game. But if it makes you sleep at night, more power to you.

" but why would you want to? They go a long way in creating a more believable environment--which leads to a more believable story"

O no all books fail because they have nothing but TEXT in them.
Not to mention all the games in the past with good story.

You do realize when a Book is made into a movie, the book itself is still by many considered BETTER?

HR is not a revolution or the pinnacle to stories.
Stop being ignorant.

sikbeta3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

Sorry but a NO-hardcore game like Heavy Rain can't be played on a "hardcore"-Family-fr iend" wii, casuals don't have the same personality and such but I can't think of a momma playing Heavy Rain in the scene when she strip... or when she's naked on the.... or a dady playing with his kids in the scene when the guy has to cut his fin... and kids can't Play this Game is M+, better for them to keep playing those "hardcore" wii games like MW2 and let the other crews play the non-hardcore games...

Well, if momma want to see some bøøbs on the cinema, good for her, she doesn't need this game....

Edit:

Grown-Up-guy, it's happening the same thing like last gen on the GC, remember Indigo/F, that game was CRAP, I hate it, I played and it turns out in a psycho-madness-crap, that Game was Multiplat, for PC, PS2, xbox and never came out for the GC, the only games the GC Had were REmake, REø, MGS:TS, RE4, K7, everything else was RULED by nintendo and their "hardcore" games, even they say they don't want to make mature games, so what happen to third Party devs when they spent a lot of money on engines and big-budget gmes, only to see how their games sink and can't even think of compete with games like just-dance...

I'm not saying nintendo make bad games or crap like that, nintendo make great games, it's only that they don't give a damn about creating new and Mature IPs and the Third Party Devs TRIED to copy nintendo "style" but it never works, that's cuz they don't have a Mario, a link or a Samus, they don't have a Name Recognition on their games like MARIO and such, is not a big deal, third party FAILED, so move to the next Console and try to succeed there...

ChickeyCantor3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

" but I can't think of a momma playing Heavy Rain in the scene when she strip... or when she's naked on the.... or a dady playing with his kids in the scene when the guy has to cut his fin... "

Yes cause mommy runs out of the cinema the moment these things happen right?
And of course its an M+ game so a daddy will play this with his kids...Obviously!!!

Holy crap grow the F up.

"and kids can't Play this Game is M+, better for them to keep playing those "hardcore" wii games and let the other crews play the non-hardcore games..."

Ah yes, Wii only has kids as their install base. of course, thats so true.
Why not let everyone play wtf they want and not generalize some pathetic image over an install base?

You sure sound like a HARTKORE GAMAA

HeavyRain is not hardcore, just stop it.

Edit:
" Well, if momma want to see some bøøbs on the cinema, good for her, she doesn't need this game...."

What? Who is talking about "Needing" it?
You say they wouldn't take these kinds of entertainment because of the content. Yet she would go to the Cinema and watch some content that could be equally to that of HR?

What are you 12?

@sharpshell
The reason a Move patch is coming is to get interest from the Wii-market. Dont tell me you think it was meant for the HARTKOOOOORSS.

And precise for what?
Jabbing up down left right? Waggle to shake off? you know this is gonna happen.

Sharpshell3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

because PS Move and the Wii are NOT the same thing, as an owner of the Wii I would seriously hope that the Move has more precision than hte Wii if they patch this game for it.

and it's most certainly a different crowd.

EDIT: I wrote this before any of that rabid argument had begun, which I most certainly don't want to be a part of, this isn't a comment on anything but sidar's original comment.

Sharpshell3006d ago

I don't think Move patch is trying to get interest from the Wii-market. Whats-his-face over at Quantic Dream stated he wanted some kind of motion control for the device to create immersion, if anything they are targeting a crowd (and no I do not me a hardcore crowd, my GF likes heavy rain, its far from a hardcore game) that has yet to get in on the motion control thing.

HR may not be hardcore, but it is mature, and waggle would not work, if Move is precise enough to allow realistic movements it will be a good patch, if its a waggle-fest it will be miserable.

pcz3006d ago

Its just a feature length interactive grand theft auto cut-scene. A pretentious one at that too.

Wow the woman shows her boobies-how mature.

In reality its just a bunch of spotty faced teens who buy and play this game.

I guess putting a tragic look on all the characters faces, giving everything a moody look and boobs make a mature game then.

ChickeyCantor3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

@sharpshell

Miyamoto's answer to immersion were motion controls as well.( see where im getting at?).
You can bet on it that most of the interfaces would be done like the IR from the Wii, which is precise for human use.
Next to this the game has lots of QTE === WAGGLE fest.

Dont expect much from it, the fans will love it even though they bashed all other motion controls.

Biggest3006d ago

Looks like someone wasn't able to convince their parents to buy Heavy Rain for them. If you think serious faces and boobs are why Heavy Rain is rated M+. . . There is nothing more to say.

poindat3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

Honestly dude, there are enough HARDCORE gamers complaining that their attention spans are too short to enjoy Heavy Rain. How do you expect someone that is used to sitting down and playing 10 minutes worth of casual games "to pass the time" to enjoy Heavy Rain?

And you analogy about books is just plain stupid. Of course books have visuals you fool, they create them by DESCRIPTION. That's the only way they can create a living picture, and it works well because it is suitable for that particular medium. But videogames are NOT books; they RELY on visuals to add to the story, and I hate to break it to you but the level of detail that adds so much to HR's environment and its gritty feel would be difficult at best to come across well on the Wii.

You want an actual example of this? Look at Epic Mickey. Look at the concept art, what the developers had in mind. Then look at the gameplay shots. Epic Mickey is something that should rely heavily on visuals, yet it can't because of the hardware its on.

You're just being ignorant.

ChickeyCantor3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

" Of course books have visuals you fool, they create them by DESCRIPTION"

O sure, those are some HD convincing gfx right there.

" But videogames are NOT books; they RELY on visuals to add to the story"
Really? Arent the visuals just like a description in books?
And they do not always add up, a good story is a good story no matter what visuals you use.

"You want an actual example of this? Look at Epic Mickey. Look at the concept art, what the developers had in mind. Then look at the gameplay shots."

Lol, look at any concept art and you will see in game shots are NEVER as high as the Concept art itself.
Granted the Ps3 and 360 help get a better result out of it, but this DOES NOT mean sh/t to the story itself.

A story is written out of words not visuals.

@below,
" 12 year old here ".
I am.

LOL at " personal attacks"

bboss3006d ago

Casual gamers play games with no long term commitment. They're not necessarily tied to the fact that the wii mote being more user-friendly. They pick up a game and forget it afterward, THAT is what a casual gamer is. Heavy Rain blurs that line between the two but at heart the game is still for the hardcore.

I advice you to just work on and create more decent arguments rather than using personal attacks and being disrespectful to others cause you're the one really looking like the 12 year old here.

poindat3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

" 12 year old here ".
I am."

lol

You're not even old enough to play T-rated games, so what are you doing attempting (and failing) to discuss Heavy Rain? You obviously don't know what you're talking about, and it shows. A story at its most basic level may lay the primary focus on words, but any good story takes those words can creates backing visuals. The human mind CAN create a general picture, but it needs to be given the true, minute details--the details that really make the story.

@below:

It's great that your mom plays Heavy Rain, but from the sound of your post it is solely because it is a soap opera to her (and I guess you could call it that). I still however don't believe that most casual gamers are not willing to become emotionally invested in a game, aside from cases like yours.

N4g_null3006d ago

Wow my mom plays heavy rain every day when her soap opears come on. She can beat most of those shows in 30 minutes and does not care about the in game ads or the multiple cliffhangers.

I'm sorry my mom and her momwhere both big heavy rain players I'm sure she could own you in the game also.

See how stupid it is to call heavy rain hardcore. It is some thing else and even it's creators don't understand yet. Other wise it would not be confinded to the ps3.

ChickeyCantor3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

" I still however don't believe that most casual gamers are not willing to become emotionally invested in a game, aside from cases like yours."

And yet they would get emotionally invested in Movies and Books.
You are just assuming things.

Not all casual gamers play bejeweled for 10 minutes.
I know 2 parents who play point and click games(like those from Indiana Jones), so what makes you think they would not play HR?

"You're not even old enough to play T-rated games"
Seems like sarcasm isnt your thing.

sikbeta3006d ago

@sidar

[" 12 year old here ".
I am.

LOL at " personal attacks"]

You say the same thing to me, remember:

"What are you 12?"

Lets Get This Clear:

Nintendo focus on their Games with their Consoles NES, SNES, N64, GC, Wii:

Mario
Zelda
Metroid
Pikmin
so on

They push those games and they openly said that they don't care about making mature games, also I don't see nintendo making new IPs, so they Rely on those games that look "not-mature", I mean, Mario games can't be compared to The Getaway, so they were and still pushing those games in every console, example:

mario kart
mario kart: double dash
mario kart wii

These games have a Name Recognition, the same way as brand recognition, when you say Mario, everyone knows what are you saying, so the "image" of a nintendo Console is the same as their games, wii + motion-controls expanded the nintendo user-base and Families were playing with wiis, so if nintendo were succeeding with their games and Third Party Devs wanted to Do the Same and started to make Crappy game, but why they can't make games like nintendo?

Because they don't have the Known Characters like Mario and such and the games are [email protected], so now Third Party don't going to Bring the "other games" name them whatever you want, mature/hardcore/Big-Ips ans so on, Why?

Because "the other games" cost to them loads of Money in New/proprietary Engines, Big-Budget titles (*GTA4*) and such, so they can't venture to make games on the wii and see how those games sink and sell crap, while wii-fit and just-dance sell better, get the point?

GC got some of "the other games" and sold well, remember Capcom 5 exclusive Deal, I thought nintendo would try to do the same with the wii but in a major scale, but it seems like they really don't care about that...

ChickeyCantor3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

And this got to do with what exactly?

Point: Casual gamers could enjoy a game like HR, even on the Wii.
Is this hard to grasp?

And thats not a personal attack, its an honest question.
Just thought of your argument contradicting and illogical.

Edit:
I get it now, it doesn't really matter what people say, others will always attach some other subject to it. This causes miscommunication.
But then again its n4g.

Qui-Gon Jim3006d ago (Edited 3005d ago )

You people seem to be arguing over pointless distinctions over "casual" and "hardcore" gamers. Consider this: just as an illustration, what if we were to use the same labels with movies? An example of a "hardcore movie" would be "The Matrix." An example of a "casual movie" would be "Finding Nemo." Into which category would you put a movie like "Crash" or "Magnolia"?

Heavy Rain can't really be pigeon-holed into these labels. In a way it is a very hardcore game because it isn't a pick-up-and-play-for-fifteen-m inutes-of-fun game like Wii Sports Bowling, but it certainly would have appeal to some casual gamers because of its serious, emotional story.

Heck, serious movie fans hate films like "The Transformers" because, while some find it to be fun to watch, it seriously lacks in other categories. Those same people would hate most video games, but might like something like Heavy Rain because of the sympathetic characters, structured story, and themes of love and redemption.

I hope that Heavy Rain ushers in a new category of games that are more serious and dramatic. Most video games, if shoe-horned into movie labels, would be "popcorn movie," or at best "summer blockbuster." Now that developers have nearly mastered the technical aspects of games and story-telling, it's time for the medium to grow in new directions. Heavy Rain is the first footstep onto that road.

Persistantthug3005d ago

Heavy Rain is a Sony IP and will not be going to the Wii. I don't even believe Heavy Rain in its current form would even be ALLOWED on the system by Nintendo.

I do however think some people that own Wii's would play and enjoy Heavy Rain, however, it wouldn't be enough (sales wise) to justify the risk based on the history of other Wii "hardcore" games.

For the most part, the Wii crowd likes NINTENDO games.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

AWBrawler3005d ago

I kno lots of casuals who play story driven games and beat em after a few weeks or months.
Example: My girlfriend hasn't reall gamed since Diddy Kong racing, but she casually played Shenmue to completion, even thoughit took months. I know she isn't the only casual like that

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rezzah3006d ago

Wii should stick with games with less of an intense psychological storyline. Like the games its always been doing since the early years.
Heavy Rain would be an odd game on the Wii. You see games that are bright and happy, then you see the one game(HR) thats dark and gloomy (psychological storys are the best).

Seekerofthewind3006d ago

Silent Hill: Shattered Memories was definitely interesting.

alphakennybody3006d ago

the calling, juon and that other psychological/horror game about a cursed tibetan temple were on the wii and exclusivly

avengers19783006d ago

Except the Wii is for children, and they would never be able to handle this game. Oh, and graphics would suffer greatly. To the person that wrote this article, Heavy Rain will have Move functionallity so you will get your dream.

The Simple Truth3006d ago

Leave the mature games to the adults.

alphakennybody3006d ago

funny thing is a fair share of those casual gamer on the wii are adults

SWORDF1SH3005d ago

why disagree. name one gamerers game that sells well on the wii??

RedDragan3005d ago

Define "Gamers game" Swordfish.

That statement is possibly the most retarded thing I have heard. Wii bashers make me laugh.

SWORDF1SH3005d ago

@red
Well a gamer is a person that expects the best from every game that they pay for.

A non gamer can still play game but it would be party games, singing games. stuff like that.

Also a girl that play nintendogs, would you call her a gamer?
No

A gamer isn't simply somebody that plays games. The word gamer goes a little deeper.

You know exactly what i meant. Don't make me out to be stupid. It's not a retarded comment.

And to answer my own question maybe you can consider mario games as a gamers game even if its diluted down gameplay to the games that are pushing games forward.

After that zelda as sold about 5.5M which isn't bad
then guitar at 4.5M which is pretty nice.
Resi 4 at 1.7M
Metroid prime 3 at 1.5M

The majority of games in the top 50 are party games and shovelware.

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The Simple Truth3006d ago

grand parants and homemakers with nothing better to do than watch daytime television.

They buy the console, play a bit of wii fit and then shove it (and its shovelware) into the atic to collect dust.

Seekerofthewind3006d ago

I have to say that thoughtless generalizations make people look like idiots. Just lettin' you know...

SWORDF1SH3006d ago

Wii is a watered down console with poor graphics and over simplified controls. Not a bad thing thing.

This is why the wii has sold millions. This as opened the doors to people who arent gamers. The majority of people that play the wii are mums and dads and very young children. Thats why most of the games are aimed at young children and, yes youve guessed it, mums and dads.

The hardcore games, which are often better than the shovelware and party games, does not sell good on wii.

Wii doesnt do it for me, got bored of it very quickly. But the Wii suits a lot of people out their.

gtamike1233005d ago

There's still some good games on Wii

Resident Evil The Umbrella Chronicles
Resident Evil The Darkside Chronicles (very very good)
The House Of The Dead Overkill
Onechanbara: Bikini Zombie Slayers
Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition
dead space extraction
madworld
The Conduit
House of the dead 2 and 3
Dead Rising
ToeJam & Earl
ToeJam & Earl in Panic on Funkotron

Plus wii plays gamecube games e.g. all the resident evils :)

mattygamefreak3006d ago

Why isn't Heavy Rain on the Wii? Because it was made for a real console.

sikbeta3006d ago

Nah...is just cuz the unsatisfied wives and grandpas want to spend all the time playing wii-sports, carnival games and more of those "hardcore wii games"...

Seekerofthewind3006d ago

The PS3 is a real console. Just like the Wii and 360. And Heavy Rain was made for the PS3, a real console, over the other two real consoles. Still, that question in your comment seems pointless considering the undeniable fact that you posted after.

Though I suppose one could argue that the PS3 isn't real...but that would be ridiculous, non? A console that exists not being called real...that would be preposterous, am I right?