Mashable: Last week, Sony announced the PlayStation Move, a new motion-based controller to compete with both the Wii and, more importantly, Microsoft's upcoming Project Natal full-body motion controller.
Much like this article. Though I know its going to get approved... :(
it is my strong suspicion that natal's trailer is full of nothing more than concepts that will never see daylight. sometimes things are too flashy to be true. my spidey senses are tingling, but most of that site's readers have no idea, so they pick natal because they're fooled into thinking that'll all be real in a few months. i think this thing could fail to live up to the hype, but for now I'll let people get excited over the smoke and mirrors. I'm talking about: [*] milo being puppeted by a human [*] molyneux purposely listening for someone to shout something that the system would recognize [*] bottom of an avatar's shoe [*] jimmy fallon crashing in burnout because the camera ignored his turning motions [*] black clothes not tracking properly [*] studio insider calling it "S**T, slow, imprecise." [*] processors being removed [*] finger tracking not as robust as people hoped ..and so on
but for everyone who's calling The PlayStation Move a rip off of the Wii, I think you better take a look at this video!
...and the Move sacks natal in actual performance.
We don't know that yet, unless you've seen both in action this yr...I'm taking a wait and see approach..Sony showed off MOVE..I want to see how far Natal has come..They should be showing something this E3..
PsEye+Move outperforming Natal at it's on game
What? 56% to 30% and that's 'sacking'? Oh and wait, less than 2500 total votes? WOW this is so news. Also coming from a very known contributor ;)
Its hard to use a survey of interest to prove that Natal will work. Natal may be more popular. BUT WILL IT WORK? Answer: Very Unlikely. Even if you argue that "But more people were impressed with the videos of Natal" Put it this way, people are (EASILY) impressed by magic tricks but that does not mean magic is REAL.
honestly, if the sample size was bigger, I woudlnt be surprised if not interested came up on top followed by Wii. Because people who surf gaming sites rarely represent the public.
Has gotta be the most retarded idea ever, in my opinion...
Natal may be more interesting as a tech demo, but I don't see Natal working very well with Halo or Gears of War, whereas Move could work just fine with Uncharted, Killzone 2, ect. That doesn't mean Natal isn't going to be awesome. I'm just saying I'm not yet convinced that Natal is going to be better for the types of games I like to play.
it's a big no no !!!
Yeah im not a fan of anything remotely motion controlled. Natal- no thanks i would rather hold something in my hands. Move - Why? dont go down the Wii road... its almost sad. Wii - just get out of my sight, you have ruined videogames for ever... The less senior pensioners i see playing videogames, the better. Something very unsettling when you see someones grandmother rage quit Super Smash Bros... then turn around beat their grand child in frustration. And dont tell me thats never happened... hundred bucks says someone reading this right now is re-living a family get together they would rather forget.
http://www.youtube.com/watc... Just imagine how Fight Night will be like!
That was the smartest comment I've heard all day.
no sh!t MS hyped the f*ck out of it and still hyping it yah no surprise here but the funny thing about xboxfanboys is this if this was about RROD they'll be all over the report link, and all of them well complain that its a vote and it got nothing to do with the real thing, and the RROD is gone lol
b b but ms bought out this site everyone knows that....
I bet you 1 million that Natal will sack Move in terms of sales. 1 million dollars. MS will advertise and fool the dumb Americans and Brits and maybe it'll sell 5 million in 1st month? Trust me it will. You know how d-u-m-b bots are right?
I'm pretty sure Microsoft will get Natal up and running, but at what cost? Natal games are probably going to look like outdated Wii games with cartoon colors.
MS will promote the crap outta Natal with mall kiosks everywhere following Nintendo's strategy. Sony won't market a thing and pretty soon Natal will be the biggest thing. People will even forget the EyeToy existed at kiosks in ToysRus back in the PS2 days. The Move will go down in history like hd-dvd did. They don't need Natal or motion control in general to work. They just need to pretend it does. It's not like the casuals care. Since when did mommy care that the WiiFit actually shed her some pounds? When did little Daniel care that the WiiMote was acurate enough to control his favorite racing game, Cars ? When did the kids ever care for 1:1 when they were shooting ducks on the screen? The casuals don't give a hoot. Sony's targeting the core with their motion control but MS wants a piece of the casual pie that Nintendo snagged, and that slice is a much larger piece of pie.
The Natal vs Move match has a clear outcome. If you search on the net fanboys bashing the devices, in the worst cases you'll read that Natal will fail, Move will suck. There's a big difference.
There's a difference being a spectator and actually participating. I've played all 3 now and I'm here to say with 100% certainty, Natal sucks. Bad. It might sound cool... It might even be displayed cool by Microsoft in those mock up videos. But it's anything but what you really get. Natal has nothing to offer right now. It's laggy. It's glitchy. Microsoft, when we were there, were very silent on how we're going to interact with previous game, if at all. We asked how we could control it more fluidly for a TPA and they declined to comment. Sony, on the other hand, they were very upfront about what they wanted MOVE to do and achieve. They even told us it was still early and things are ever changing. They said what you see today doesn't mean you won't see a change 3 months from now. It's all up in the air until we find a happy medium with ourselves and the consumer. Microsoft offered up nothing of the sort at GDC. At all. My money, if I have to go in on Motion controls, is with Sony.
But the one point you have to give MS is that they've got the hype train running to full effect. That's why you've got Natal winning in pointless polls like this one.
Hopefully we will see the true capability of both at E3. I honestly think people have been giving Sony a little too much flak at GDC when E3 would be the best time to gauge how well the controller can work.
when they get it home they will look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
"They even told us it was still early and things are ever changing. They said what you see today doesn't mean you won't see a change 3 months from now. It's all up in the air until we find a happy medium with ourselves and the consumer." Generic PR nonsense.
For Natal to really have an impact at Christmas, MS should have showed something at the GDC. Not necessarily to the public, but to developers. Nothing of that sort happened. Makes me wonder why.
They did show it at GDC... It just sucked and so the media biasedly chooses not to talk about it. That's really what's going on here. Natal sucked. Bad. Everyone knows it and everyone is affraid to speak out about it because of Microsoft. Sony's "MOVE" on the otherhand... It's open season on it. Let's bash it to hell because it was actually functional and did what Sony said it could do.
They did not show it at GDC. Not on the expo floor at least. They might have showed it in closed door sessions (I'm guessing they did), but there was nothing on the show floor remotely related to Natal. Microsoft didn't even really have a product placement booth at GDC. People drastically over estimate the media impact of GDC.
screw this post Its pretty stupid, Trying to say there is more of a buzz about natal when its the Least seen So far.
It knew better than to stick it's head up at GDC. If there is ever a time to show your tech to other devs and potential publishers at GDC. The MS booth was like a ghost town. Sony had 3 times the floor space. People were actually sleeping on chairs at the MS booth.
That's because the M$ "booth" you're talking about was actually a lounge upstairs. The Sony booth was a booth and actually in the expo hall. By this time, all the developers that need to know about Natal do. Just because it's not out at trade shows doesn't mean microsoft isn't letting anyone know about it.
motion controls dont matter. and i like the move alot better.
I agree, 'motion controls don't matter.' Wii has already taken that market. Now the people looking to buy a ps3 or 360 aren't definitely going in there for motion gaming. Imo, if the sample size of the poll was much larger (and not on a gaming site, because the majority of the gamers dont goto gaming sites) I'd expect Wii motes and Don't care to be topping the poll by vast numbers
who gives a crap, everyone that uses those will get raped by people who just use normal controllers :P
only one left and no reader poll will make any of these actually WORK. lets just wait and see huh...hype is one thing...enjoyment is something else
The fact that someone took the time to create that youtube video proves how dedicted and SAD sony fanboys are...
E-Skills UK, holds a yearly event for students studying I.T management for business. The conference is held in one of the companies associated with the course who involve P&G, IBM, Transport for London, ITV, Deloitte,Fugitsu and CA. This year it was held at P&G head office in surrey next to Sonys head office funny enough. Each company had a rep take the stage for 30 mins telling us the benefits of our course and how they utilize ITMB in their daily operation. AFter that, there was a presentation for a revolutionary new produt that students were told to come up with prior to the event. The winning team i think from Exeter uni, came up with a product that lets you watch movies, pause the movie and buy a clothing item used by the movies actors.The funny part is them utilizing Project Natal as a way to make the system better. When they were presented with the award, a rep from Fugitsu asks the crowd, how many had heard of Natal and half of them raised their hands. He then described it as " A DEVICE THAT WILL CHANGE INTERACTION IN THE GAMING,PC PRESENTATION AND TV VIEWING FOR CONSUMERS" He even claimed that some companies are seeing how they can utilize it in the medical sector and childrens education. He said that the software for it is amazing and for the fact the students utilized such a "great" upcoming device to their presentation is what made all the companies give them the award. If Microsoft plays their cards right, Natal will be huge because its applications not just for games but its real world use is almost unlimited.
That's why i say if Natal doesn't have menu UI at launch to six months down the road, its going to fall flat on its face. And its all going to be MS's own fault.
I'm actually anticipating natal more for it's non-game applications than in game applications. There's some cool game concepts that could be explored, but having the tech to be able to control your entertainment center without the need for remotes is truly awesome.
Quite simply MOVE doesn't have full body tracking so it's limited. Take a look at the GDC socom demo of it. what's the point of having the motion controller?? the bloke hardly moves at all, and he has the ask "is there any gestures?" If you don't have to move the MOVE to play a game, what's the point! use the normal controller!! which already has accelerometers in it!!!. Natal has full body tracking. And I can't believe everyone is still saying "its just an eyetoy", no its not. Its far more advanced, the eyetoy was the same as xbox live vision camera. NO one can say anything about natal until E3.
LOL fully body tracking? get out of here. you read up on it, seen demonstrations on stage, and also hear people say its awesome? i also assume you have one at home with 10 games already then to know its better?. i usually wait till theres an actual review out for a game or physically own something to say if its better or not. your just plainly showing to much fanboy patriotism
That is not full body by any means. If you watch when he leans the body doesn't change orientation at all. The system looks like a simple IK chain.
wow people vote about something they barely know much about.
ooh...damn yeah people DO vote on something they barely know anything about...you are so damn right =O
howjord you don't even understand the mechanics behind either Move or Natal. I doubt you'd even understand the Wii mechanics therefore, to say that one is more advanced than another is a pure guess. You don't know everything and it was a bit of an idiot comment to make, because you don't understand what you are talking about. I guess you've played Natal and Move as well? Mmm? Yes? Please, some people are so pathetic.
i'm just going by what I have seen in videos. Just like everyone else is in the comments. Look at the videos, Move just tracks the controllers, as does the wii. Natal tracks the full body. Everyone knows this. You clearly don't.
I never said I did know all the mechanics. It would be a bold statement of me to make considering I don't know all the mechanics behind it. But YOU said it was limited. YOU yourself said it sucked, yet you do not have any idea of how 'limited' it is; you don't know what capabilities MOVE has. That's not to say that Natal is anything but impressive, because it is impressive. I like the look of Natal, but what I see and what it CAN do in the long run is something very different.
this is the sad thing in all this: sony is being upfront and truthful.not only to GAMERS on what to expect,but to DEVELOPERS on what they can do with Move. no fake concept videos.no fake celebrities that aren't part of the consoles community.no fake hype without REAL TIME DEMONSTRATIONS. sony is proving that their tech works in real time.the motion,the head tracking,the voice control,avatar creation,painting,etc.i could list multiple videos that show that sony's tech works.no outlandish videos,no outlandish hype....just straight from the hip reality. but the haters should have seen them all as we have posted MANY. microsoft has shown nothing to gamers,nothing to developers at GDC,nothing to show that their tech WORKS.never mind about ACURRACY.just that it WORKS as advertised.but no.microsoft would rather hide behind smoke and mirrors than pull the curtains open. who would you trust more?a company upfront and real about what they are doing(and have been doing for years with their tech).... OR...a company that has time and time again,used deception,viral campaigns,bought advertising companies to muscle others to make themselves look good,and has a base of individuals that patrol the threads(even the execs themselves from turn-10 and greenberg)to bash the competition? A.a company that has offered more of their content for free? or B.a company that has made gamers pay for almost EVERYTHING? A.a company that has spent more money to make their games the best they can be and spends less marketing dollars? or B.a company that spends more **marketing** their product,and less on the **CREATION** of that product? seriously.....do we need a poll to figure all this out on what is better on the fact that it is shown and is real and can be touched?and not relying on 1 year old marketing videos and marketing hype backed by celebrities that get paid to like whatever you PAY them to like? a celebrity's job is to make you think something is better than it really is..... hahaha.....and a poll that is backed by nothing........2 games shown a year ago and it's better than sliced bread.......
ms does hype. they really would try and sell water to a well. Truth be told its gunna be near on impossible to replicate 90% of the hardcore games out there leaving games that the ps2 tried...super casual hand waving not like thats all bad or anything but the chip had to be taken out and some people STILL insist it'll be the second coming...staged stage shows and people are still suckin it up. IF MS manages to pull of any type of game that the n4g type person enjoys then hats off to them it just seems that natals biggest problem as of now is it NOT having a tangible controller. No amount of non gaming celebs will change that. It'll be interesting if they pull it of but it seems psm may have a wider variety of game types. The price of natal will also be interesting. Hypothetically, natal can distinguish fingers and toes, objects, race, different people, sexes etc. IF it can do all of this its gunna cost a bit, fair enough but why has nothing been shown...nothing real that is
2500 readers isn't a good indication. Just alot of gullable bots, that are wowed by Microsofts 'Smoke & Mirrors'. Jump Out, Play B3yond MOVE over LAGTAL
Microsoft are their masters and they the slaves xbox live online fee when they host the servers lol so reversed Natal a webcam a new invention lol... webcam technology has had all this for years where it follows your motions and you interact with it, the software comes free with most webcams you buy
That's because they haven't heard about the lag that Natal have been experiencing. Another is because of the MILO footage which was proven fake. And another is that if the majority of people who voted was living in America or the UK, then i wouldn't even be a tad surprised about that. Butthurt much bots?
lol playstation move was only announced last week.. They both will be crap but i expect move to be a bit more fun then dancing around like an idiot to hit balls
Would you have said the same thing if the results were the other way around?
We've heard about Move for what a week. And Natal has been crammed down are throats since last june. No surprise a small poll would say that. Same question in December this year, and see what happens.
You want full body tracking. You need to go mo-cap. Move does mo-cap. with the controller. that's the whole point. It's tracked through the ball with the pseye.
Sony Move- FLOP Microsoft Natal- $$$$
They're both rubbish. Until we play them both, there's no way to know which one is better. It's going to come down to how well the developers utilise the new technology, especially first party studios.
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/3... ah!now I'm sure....project natal will be a success like the mega-cd
ah what 'excites me more'. well in answer to that i'd say natal, but that's only if it can work. which one do i feel will deliver the type of games i'm into? move natal = more abitious move = more likely to work
i guess people like playing kiddie games when it comes to motion controls....i will take the PSmove with socom4 and RE5 anyday over drawing elephants and playing with 5 year old boys if your going to disagree please put a reason why i would love to know why natal is more liked at this moment when it has not showed anything interesting or new since e3
the readers are going to be let down! xD oh look at submitter xD i bet she/he/it spends its day looking for these articles trying to save some face xD well natal can be mashable's reader's favorite i'd vote for neither of them =/
How can existing technology which was dubbed, "Meh" all of a sudden be "AMAZING"? Just because of Microsoft Marketing dollars? I've noticed this trend this entire generation, specifically with the xbox. Its like everything released on it is the next PERFECT game, but in reality its not even close. Example: Bioshock. Amazing when it was exclusive to xbox, then when I played it on ps3 i'm like 'meh, nice art, just another shooter'. Other Examples: Ninja Gadien 2/Sigma 2, FFXIII etc.. Like any game on teh xbox is the next greatest thing, but on the ps3 (i guess the older crowd) is like "been there, done that. GOod but not perfect." It really bothers me. Feels like people being sold on the marketing rather then the product itself and that doesn't speak well for thinking for yourself in society. I think my biggest problem is I feel that Microsoft has somehow made the Gaming Industry more juvenile and manipulated people's minds. Its like Alan Wake, Gears of War, Mass Effect. These are all games you wouldn't pay 2nd attention too, if it wasn't marketed SO HARD to you as XBOX games. Infact, most of the "exclusives" are actually just PC games from PC Developers who turned console.That shoudl say something. Dragon Age origins, Oblivion etc... These are all PC developers turned console. They might be good games, but most of you xbox players would CARE LESS about these. Just goes to show How marketing can easily influence people. The wii is another perfect example. Market, Market, Market, and now it gathers dust in 90% of the households. Rant over...
Microsoft controls hype and spin with $$$
anyway, i support 'move'..cuz it is more precise for both hardcore gamer and casual gamer..
i am very familiar with both and have only 1 thing to let you know Natal can not track a full body.can not.now it can track whats in front of it but only the 1 side.Full body tracking requires more then a camera on 1 side.also people set a cam to 30 fps and swing a stick like a sword.notice how the stick is not a stick its a smear across the screen.try that at 60 fps much less of a smear.that smear you see will cause errors in the accuracy.Not to mention the only thing natal can do that the ps eye cant is work in low level light.body tracking it can and has done.tracking in 3D space it can and has done.i mean really what do people think Natal can do that the ps eye cant?