Gamer Limit writes "I don't mean to exaggerate things here, but it seems to me that an incredible number of my PS3 friends waste countless hours in the hope that their trophy collection will increase."
Trophies are exceedingly pointless. That is all.
BS, they serve a purpose of allowing the user to get more value out of their game.
In the article the person mentions both achievements and trophy's throughout the article as overdoing it. The title of the article should have both trophies and achievements in it, but instead he chose to flame bait the PS3 fans, seems standard practice these days. I' m sure I'll be called a fanboy for mentioning it. If you like em fine, if you don't fine, doesn't affect the game really.
Platinum trophies are pointless. They are a symbol of free time.
if people have FUN trying to get them then isn't that the point of gaming? You are going to die - all your actions are pointless -
If a platinum is attainable through what I consider "a normal amount of gameplay" I'll generally go for it. Games that require you to do anything drastic (i.e. obnoxious amounts of trophy boosting or playing for extended periods of time beyond what you'd normally play) on the other hand, forget it. Games like Warhawk, Far Cry 2, Socom: Confrontation...eff that. That's not to say I shy away from tough games (COD:WAW was one of the toughest plats I've obtained) but having to pour hours into a single title and miss out on other games just for an icon? Oh please. The best are the folks on my friends list who play scrub games for trophies or better yet, this one friend I have who refuses to put a game into his PS3 unless he knows that 100% is possible. Not just a platinum mind you, but 100% as in he'll buy any scrub piece of DLC in order to make sure that his stats show every game he's played as 100%. He even told me once that he really wanted to get Street Fighter IV, but "couldn't because it would be too hard to get 100%." Guy also refuses to put the copy of FEAR2 he bought into his PS3 until he finds someone to boost the MP trophies with. He even attempted to convince me to buy the game just to help him. Loooooser. Only reason I don't delete him is for the humor factor.
If people want to do it, then that's fine with me. It's funny; no one complained about gamerscores, but now all of a sudden trophies are "useless". Incredible.
Good luck getting a platinum in GT5.. Something tells me, a 4-8 hour endurance race will get you silver trophy... and 24-hour at nurburgring endurance race will earn you a gold trophy. :D
The fact is that these things now *force* us to perform increasingly ridiculous stunts in order to 100% a game.
Nobody is forcing you to even play the game, get real. Also, many games "forced" you to do exceedingly pointless crap to 100% the game before the whole trophy/achievement thing. Case in point: http://www.gta-sanandreas.c...
He contradicts himself completely in this article... first of all, if they are pointless/worthless, he would have to show that they really do have no worth to the gamer or devs/publishers. But when I choose to play a PS3/360 game for these "worthless" things because I enjoy that hunt, and end up ignoring my DS, Wii, or PSP games, it means that I am getting more out of the experience; and by me getting addicted to these little rewards, I don't sell games back as quickly or at all, and will often replay games I may not have done so otherwise. Anything to keep gamers from reselling games, to push them to buy new DLC, to keep certain games in their console over newer/older ones, etc... means that they have some sort of worth. If not specifically to the gamer earning them, than definitely to the devs/publishers of said games. Secondly, to claim that we get nothing from these extra rewards should also mean we do get something from the first play through that we wouldn't out of repeated plays or hunting for these little gems. I don't think this point is defensible, though, because the gaming experience is too subjective. I don't care for Starcraft but others are still playing the original game. Just because I don't enjoy it doesn't mean their enjoyment/value of it is worthless or stupid. I'm a trophy whore and I'm proud. Just because you aren't doesn't mean you should blow it off or try to claim it's objectively stupid.
Trophies are so inferior compared to Achievements.
omg they are the same thing almost, the system is different, achievment: rack up for points Trophies: rack up to help move towards the next level
they are pretty much the same thing. I would rather say I am level 13 instead of saying I have a 21,750 score or 21,750 points.
yeah i would rather state a level also, i mean come on i am twenty one thousand seven hundred and fifty score points, or i am level fifth teen . But really they are no different in terms of achieving them
agreed, calling them trophies was just so they could have a different title to xbox's
The only thing that really differentiates them are the platinum trophies. When I say I have X number of platinum trophies, people know I have beat X number of games completely. The platinum trophy count is more important than the overall level to me.
LOL... grow up
sacarsm? you can never tell these days....
just hope that he's not being serious with that comment of his
I say this because my games are split between the two and Its harder to compare/care about the totals when they are split up. For example I see someone on my ps3 friends list who has more trophies because they played AC2 and borderlands on PS3 while I played them on my 360, and if I add my achievements and trophies together I have way more than them. I dont have that many of either so I dont really care. I like collecting them but dont usually go outa my way to get them, and I WILL NEVER play a crappy game just for trophies/achievements.
i will play any game to get them (well i mean any big hitter games like M.A.g> heavy rain, BFBC2, GT5, GOW3, White knights, ect)(I will never play games like hanmontanna although i did play disney pixar up lol but that was the only thing to rent at the time, but i will never go that far for trohpies even if they are very easy) I love seeing my level go up and be high its like playing a game only no actual battles (i actually like to compete with all my buds to see who can have the highest level) Its actually quite neat, it would be really neat if sony awarded us for our levels, they already do with trophies like in-game unlockables themes, Home contents ect.
why write an article about something useless
Why write a stupid comment about something you didn't have to read?
Skill based Trophies are fun and add a level of replayability. Grinding Trophies and many online ones however, no thank you.
Skill based stuff are cool but the grinding/online stuff is what keep you in the game longer. From a dev/publisher standpoint, its really the kind of trophies that will keep people playing their games and which extend playtime. Both have a point, but the former is definitely more fun to get than the latter (although finally getting them feels freakin badass).
those are the worst, i hope developers do what ND did with uncharted 2 and just make sure that thet only do offline trophies AND THEN add them later, it hurts me to know i will never plat on R2, or even KZ2 because of the online trophies Only games i liek are the ones with no online like warhawk, socom confrontation and M.A.G.
"Skill based stuff are cool but the grinding/online stuff is what keep you in the game longer." That's ridiculous. Why should developers be creating achievements to make us "grind"? Shouldn't they make their game good enough in the first place so that gamers don't need to complete boring and mundane tasks in order to 100% it? Or is it just the fact that these achievements and trophies allow developers to get lazy?
Agreed. Hate the grinding trophies and I especially hate the online trophies. The only online trophies that I can stand are the ones like play maybe 10 online matches. They don't break your back or become impossible as the game ages.
this is because I don't have too much time to spend online just for certain games! and yes, there are grinding trophies like getting 10001 kills online for BC1! that 1 needs serious dedication!
Trophies and Achievements are nothing more than an illusion that makes you think you are getting more content when you aren't. I couldn't care less about them. Which reminds me... why do many people say "I could care less" instead of "I couldn't care less"? The latter makes much more sense.
...because they COULD care less but don't care so much that caring less would mean they care enough to care less?
I'm definately not a trophy whore :D
I could care less about trophies, but achievements make me replay a select few games for the fun of it.
Wha...? aren't they the same?
How does playing for achievements any different than playing for trophies? A contradictory statement in the finest. Maybe you'd like to marry your Xbox and have man love with it?
I agree with the guy. I have like 45,000 gamerscore and trying to get trophies is like starting over. I purposely go out of my way to get achievements but I do not do the same for trophies. That's just me though. Edit: Plus the achievement sound is awesome
For whatever reason, I care less about trophies than I do about achievements. Probably because most of my friends play 360.
The same can be said for people who have say, 500 trophies, they don't wanna get achievements because it'll be like starting over.
@chrisjc You just prove, you don't know what the Trophies are.
@11.5 - I don't see the point of your post. I never said it couldn't go the other way around.
Well you try to make it sound like achievements are better, but they're really not, whatever though right?
I can't be a trophy whore. But I can be an achievement whore.
well i enjoy trophies ..i hunt them more than the average gamer but i do know when to stop looking trophies are funs and they aren't the st graal .. well i'm pretty sure the guy on the top of the trophy list for example has no life . Well to put it in simple words ..i don't care what others think ... IMO i just collect them for the fun of it ..but i must admit i was pretty happy when i platiniumed some of my games ...
Same here. Haven't platinumed too many games, but I was pretty happy when I finished both of the Uncharteds. I only pursue the platinums that give me some enjoyment while working towards them.
130 platinums..Holy...O.o I only have 8...
I know that ps3 trophies are better than achievements becuase its clear and detailed not columns of countless amounts of things, trophies have not too many not too short for every game. THe sound of satisfaction is better and its not points its EXP wher you level up im level 7 but xboxers are 2400 G LOL. TROPHIES ARE AMAZING but Im not addicted to them.
I only platinum on games i actually have fun in...going out of the way to complete a unenjoyable game is just lame imo.Also trophies are better then achievements platinum tropies > random numbers.
In Some games. Are like extra objectives from the Games. In some cases are ridiculous hard or long to get. Try to get the trophies from Demon's Souls or White Knight Chronicles. Long and a lot of patience for the player to get the Platinum. They will chew you up like a Bubble gum.
I’m not huge into trying to get trophies, but there is an addicting draw to them. Also, when the developers plan the trophies/achievements out correctly, it opens up a whole new style of game play that you’d never attempt to do on your own if it hadn’t been for the senseless accomplishments. That’s where the power of them come in. But I do agree, the ridiculous ones that have you sifting through near impossible circumstances ought to go.
and while i don't exactly have a thing against them, what disappoints the gamer in me a little is when i read on lots of forums: "yeah, i spent XXX time on this game my first playthrough, because i wanted to get all the Trophies/Achievements," or, "can you get all the Trophies/Achievements in one play through?" i have a VERY strong feeling that getting Trophies/Achievements 1st playthrough isn't what the developer intended. i can't imagine how the enjoyment/pace of a game like Uncharted 2 would have been ruined due to trying to collect all the Trophies 1st try. i don't really see the appeal of getting Trophies/Achievements just for the sake of a "gamerscore" or bragging rights, but i'm not really a very competitive person by nature. the jury is still out on how useful they are. in the entire 3 decades i've been a gamer, i've never needed a reason to add replayability to my games. i still sit back and play Silent Hill 1-4, God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, Shadow of Destiny, etc, etc, as well as more old school games like SMB3, Sonic the Hedgehog, Chrono Trigger, and so on, because i enjoy the EXPERIENCE of playing those games. scores of any kind hold no importance to me. if the game is good enough, i don't NEED an incentive to keep it in my collection. Achievements were created by a marketing department to discourage gamers from trading their games. it worked for a bit, but i've gotten rid of quite a few games without EVER earning a significant number of Trophies/Achievements. but hey, people love them, and majority rules. so far, HAVING Trophies/Achievements haven't hurt my enjoyment of video games, though i admit it's dulled a lot of conversations ABOUT video games. especially across the internet. EDIT: oddly enough, i have a Trophy level of 12. lol. i didn't even realize it. i don't actively pursue that stuff. lol.
I try not to look through the trophy list on my first play through, I just get what I get. But I do replay games/sections and do stuff I may otherwise have not done to get trophies after that play through. It gives me an extra reason to repeat it or try new things, which I like.
This is the Master of the Trophy Whores, or at least, one of them: 100 Platinums and 5419 Trophies http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... Jealous? No. But is incredible.
I wonder how much time that guy put into all those games... cuz that is pretty insane.
he has 132 now http://ps3trophycard.com/
Good Good !!! Keep getting them trophies, and before you know it you're 40 yrs old, fat and bald !!! ... lol Seriously I couldnt care any less for virtual trophies ... its nice to say you achieved highest rank .. but it goes old and sooner or later no one cares, plus you realize how much time you wasted getting them when you could have been out there and looked for better paying job or a trip to Costa Rica .... of course no disrespect to the people that worked hard, putting in countless hours into the games to get those tropies ... its what a true gamer is all about. PS3 .. it only does ADDICTION :)
I admit. I bought Ghostbusters just for the trophies.
The thing that bugs me of this type of system, both trophies and achievements alike, is the attitude of people who whore them. I know people who would rather play a 3-4 hour game to earn 700 or so points (and probably not have fun), than a longer gamer that is fun and not earn any points, or earn just a few. People seem to have forgotten to replay a game because it is fun, and are replaying them because a score tells them to.
Just so we get this straight, I use the words trophies and achievements synonamously. In the end of it all, the only difference between them is whether you got it on a 360 or a ps3 Some trophies are alright, do x damage in 1 attack, or do a wheelie for x feet. Good, nothing I have to take up whole spans of my day or week trying to accomplish. Others (especially multiplayer) are a bit over the top. Play and win in 1000 ranked matches, kill 1000 opponents online. Some of these get downright annoying, and begin to shine through as what they really are. Feeble attempts to extend a games life. Fps games and fighting games seem to be the main culprits of this style of trophy.
Trophies and achievements are fun to get unless they are stupidly hard to get or really easy to get. Like play your first online match poof comes a trophy. Or play the game to the point where you have no life and poof comes out the hard trophy. A person who has games like Hannah Montana the movie game or some cheesy movie game in their library or even a kids game and platinums the trophies or achievemtns those are trophy whores.
As long as you still care for the game, and not only for the trophies, i can't really see the problem.
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