thiskid writes: "We've all seen in recent news how Sony now have a game developer portfolio 3 times larger, and arguably stronger than Microsoft's, what does this mean for the future of gaming?"
1st party devs are the key to success and Sony knows it. Microsoft will learn it too, eventually.
IMO Its too late for Sony. NPD numbers just keep showing how the XBOX sales are still beating Sony. If the PS3 released at the same time as the XBOX, with a lower price tag and a better marketing scheme the console war would be much closer. "Next gen starts when we say i does". Obviously not. Sony only have themselves to blame.
So your saying that NDP = the World........amirite. The only place that M$ is clearly doing better is in the US and besides the UK region its the only area that are keeping the 360 selling, Japan is clearly a dead area for M$ and what ever is sold more in the US has been countered in Japan, also Sony has clearly said they are having supply issues in the NA region for the last couple months maybe it's an "excuse" but I doubt it several people in these threads have stated that they are sold out in several areas but it doesn't mean that they're completely sold out everywhere in the US. One thing you are right in is that M$ had a 1 year head start but they also released a faulty system that they knew of just to get those 1 year sales maybe if M$ took there time and fixed the RROD before release they probably would have not sold as much as they did now, Many people I know have purchased newer systems for the reason that there older system might break again and do not want to be with out being able to play video games. But who really knows what will or might have happen if things wend differently.
If Microsoft wants to win they need to lower the price of the elite and some of their accessories. Ps3 needs to develop a better game library like the ps2 had(has) and keep the price as low as possible. wouldn't be funny if these 2 companies where fixing the price to screw us over lol a little paroniod thought for yall.
That would be marketing
Some people might not want to hear it but its true. Their hardware sucks monkey *****. As such, they will fail. They were definitely not thinking long term. Bitter pill to swallow.... @DJex, what do you mean by "better game library". I mean yes we should always demand better games, but you make it sound as if they are struggling game-wise at present.
The apparent answer to that is that MS, Greenberg especially, will do everything to keep it alive. Exploit it to sell product while caring jack about quality.
Right now, Sony is losing.
Greenberg. The guy who said blu-ray absence is key to 360 outselling PS3. And the lack of modern hardware was key to wii's price for it to outsell ps3 and 360. Hell, screw progress. Right guys? As long as it's about sales right? Sony says no
I disagree, I think 3rd party is super essential. 3rd party makes up more than 90% of the bulk for consoles. MS knows this and it's probably the reason why they got rid of a lot of their 1st party devs. It didn't make sense to spend $$$$ on a lot of 1st party devs for hit or miss titles. Also 1st party alone cannot save your console, just take a look at Dreamcast. All of their 3rd party support bailed on them and they had to bow out the console game.
It's obvious that SOny will eventually win the console war. Everything is like a PS2 "deja vu": High starting price, loads of criticism, weak initial game lineup.... and then bam, awesome exclusive after awesome exclusive, best game collection and variety by far, numerous first party studios, Slim + lower price, and of course, God of War III and Gran Turismo 5 Seeing that although they started a year later they are already catching up (and 7 years left for the cicle) and that Sony dominates all the world except USA (here in Spain there's just no contest between PS3 and 360, you buy a PS3 or you just can't play FIFA or MW2 with friends) it's clear.
Xbox owners would buy 4 xbox after rrod, they would buy any crap from MS.
"Why Sony will inevitably loose the console war" You guys would have been crying about how biased the media is and how much evetryone hates Sony. The thread would have been full of tears, OVERFLOWING with tears, curses and a massive meltdown. Why dont we get the same reaction when from when it concerns the 360 ? Where all the whiny, oversensitive 360 fanboys :) BTW, Sony will inevitably lose the console war. 4 years later and still behind the 360 lol.
"It's obvious that SOny will eventually win the console war. Everything is like a PS2 "deja vu":" There is no "deja vu" this gen. Most 3rd party support like PS2 ? Nope. PS2 in last position 3 years and a half later like PS3 today ? Nope. PS2 came out after the Gamecube and Xbox like the PS3 came out after the 360 ? Nope. PS3 outselling competitors almost 5:1 in hardware sales like PS2 at the same period in its liftime ? Nope. Not even outselling the 360 2:1 let alone the Wii. PS3 has the biggest market (USA) on a lockdown like PS2 at the same period in its liftime ? Nope. PS3 as profitable as PS2 at the same period after launch ? Nope. PS3 in 1st position way ahead of Nintendo in Japan its hometurf like the PS2 at the same period in its lifetime ? Nope. Huge mainstream games like Final Fantasy, GTA, Resident Evil etc exclusive to the PS3 like they were last gen on the PS2 ? Nope. Wii sold less than than Nintendo's previous console like the GC with the 64 ? Nope. This gen is whole different ball game.
Yeah, take a look at Sega as a 1st party dev had then, compare it to what Sony has now. If you actually look you'll see that MS is a closer comparison to Sega than Sony is. That with Sony it sets its own benchmarks where MS needs 3rd parties to do it for them. I mean, there was a reason Turn Ten kept calling Forza 3 the new definitive racer and had to mention GT every time.
bah.. i don't agree.. it's the third party games that make or break the console.. Xb1 died due of lack of third party support.. for each xb1 game there were like 10 better 3rd party games on ps2.. It's not the same with exclusives.. lets say Sony puts out 7-8 exclusives this year.. and ms does around 4-5.. that's just 3 more games for the ps3 that year.. ps3's got great exclusives.. but do they SELL as much as multi-plat games? no they don't. http://vgchartz.com/worldto... UC2 was goty09.. and its not even in the top 10.
Jason360 said ~ "Right now, Sony is losing." Click this ~ http://www.entertonement.co... Press play (if needed) Then come back here and click this ~ http://www.entertonement.co... And press play again (if needed) Then come back and read the below You seem to be missing one little fact that you just can't seem to wrap your tiny immature brain around ~ SONY = PSP, PS2 & PS3 Nintendo = Wii & DS Microsoft = ONLY 360 Sony & Ninty are neck & neck for 1st while MS are last. And losing more ground every minute of every day. Sorry you can't deal with that truth. And before you say it (or anyone else) YES the PS3 is last (I can admit that without issue or "crying like some here because it is truthful). But just in case anyone hasn't noticed (or cared to admit) the PS3 has been outselling the 360 for quite some time now and is gaining on the 360 by the tune of only about 5 Million behind...Not bad for an always more expensive (until recently, and still in some respects) against 2 competitors (with said cheaper price points) while fighting a "format" war" all at the same time PLUS being at a 1 - 1.5 year deficit (depending on location) to MS. Yep! Not bad....not bad at all ;)
Right now, the PS3 is losing. BTW Microsoft is Xbox 360 and Windows, and Windows is a billion served http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Wi... The PS3 is still losing. Hell the PSP is losing to DS, infact the PlayStation brand hasn't won anything since the PS2. Xbox is still in 2nd but at least it didn't go from first to dead last. Below LOL assets = no money in the bank.
I see your reading comprehension is just as terrible because I already addressed that. BUT since you really want to be technical (and bring in other topics separate from "Gaming") then how's this suit ya? Sony's total assets are over 225 BILLION while MS is about 70 or so...so um again ~ Sorry to be the bearer of bad (though still factual) news but you are still quite a bit misinformed! Edit: Assets still show who the bigger company really is! You can't downplay that one! Though you will inevitably try...
Xbox1 failed because the only game that gave it any definition was Halo whereas the PS1 and PS2 had multiple 1st and 3rd party franchises to create and build on. That's why MS bought into FF, MGS and GTA for the 360, yet still because of Halo their console is still better known for FPSs.
This kid needs to go back to school and learn to spell.
Someone can only win if the terms of victory have been clearly defined. Is victory achieved by :- 1. market share. 2. market share vs last gens market share. 3. total consoles sold. 4. most money made. (or least money lost) 5. most critically acclaimed games. 6. most games sold. etc.
Microsoft does have to realize that taking over the gaming industry didn't come with only money. Sony has a vision Nintendo has a vision Microsoft has money That's about it. Buying exclusivity obviously hasn't stopped the PS3. The PS3 now has the most critically acclaimed exclusive without spending billions. Sony just bought Media Molocule with their money.... MS bought MW2 DLC a month early.... That's not enough, Micro. Take it from the two companies who have had dynasties before. Take it from the two that have experience. What do they have? Amazing first party studios/exclusives.
...to be Nintendo
Yeah cuz we'd definitely see games like GoW, Killzone, Resistence, Heavy Rain, Syphon Filter, and Twisted Metal from Nintendo, right? presto717: Sony is indeed a much bigger company but MS prints money. It's not even fair comparing their net incomes. But I'll do it anyway :) Microsoft: $17billion Sony: -$1billion Even though Sony makes more money and is a much bigger company, they also have much more overhead than Microsoft. It is much more expensive to run a business based on hardware manufacturing than software development.
Total assets of course. Sony: $230.5 billion http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... MS: $77.8 billion http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Hmm. You would think MS was richer considering how much they throw away on DLC, timed-exclusives, misleading ads,etc. Translation: FULL OF FAIL.
SONY Market Value 38 bil Profits Rank:116 Market Value rank: 255 Profit Margin = -3.6% Profits = $-2.295450228 bil http://finapps.forbes.com/f... MICROSOFT Market Value 257 bil Profits Rank: 8 Market Value:6 Profit Margin = 27.7% Profits = $16.258 bil http://finapps.forbes.com/f... Couldn't find BigN EDIT: LMAO at people disagree with facts. They're not going to change because you disagree.
The market value difference is directly attributed to how many shares both companies have on the market. Microsoft has over 8x as many shares on the market as Sony. The Market value is not the total value of the company is simply share x are price. In this case: Sony shares are going for $37.61 and they have 1 billion shares out there which puts their market value at around $38 billion. Microsfot has shares going for 29.29 and has 8.77 billion shares which puts their market value at around $257 billion. But the profits are the telling numbers. Microsoft blows Sony out of the water what it comes to purely making money.
Sony is just full of win, more and more people r startin 2 notice it
Everything they did in the past that was laughed at, they meant to do. The entire time they have been moving themselves into a position where they can grow again. SCE knows what they are doing, and they knew what they were doing. They took a hit then to make money latter and it is going to work. While the media and the newly empowered MS fanboys took pot shot after pot shot at them they kept it coming. They mean it when they say they have a ten year plan. This is just the tip of the iceberg. presto717: knowing the fanboy mind state, they'll act like the sh*t isn't even there and just keep going about their day with sh*t all over their faces.
Before they used to say that ps3 had no games. Haha. Look at the 360's 2009 lineup. I wonder how it must feel now that sony is taking a dump on all those people's faces.
sony have so many exclusives now and so many rumoured exclusives in the works you just cant keep up they own so many first party studios. when sony saw that 3rd party exclusive games where going multiplat AKA FF13 for example sony new the best thing to do is to get more first party devs there for they grantee quality games and they are alot of titles the problem with microsoft as people say they buy content AKA GTA 4 for 50 million that could have made a full game. and the worse and very funny thing is that could happen even tho people say it cant.... gears of war series Epic could bring it to ps3 microsoft dont own the game epic is a 3rd party developer microsoft own rights to gears however epic could decide to bring a future gears title to ps3 just saying its a good example of how sony are locking down there exclusives and they become fantastic and sony unlike microsoft can brag about it and microsoft cant do f*ck all
Microsoft will eventually come First when Natal comes out also with AAA games out this year Microsoft won't lose the console war. Poor ps3 it's been in 3RD place since launch and sales wise keep getting worse than better. Stupid Mods on this site........I can't even disagree for some reason on ps3 fan boy's comments even the Mods are on there side F*ckin MODS. mrv321 U are a RETARD......u ask me why i say that because u use (Ubuntu) enough said.
Reminds me again who's first? Who will remain first and has sold the most console this month, the last month and basically EVERY month since it's launch? THE WII. Honestly... the PS3 and the 360 both have great line-ups I'm very interested in Halo: Reach Multiplayer and The last guardian. Can we class the PS2 as in the console war? It's got similar graphics as the Wii and is still being sold... So will the 360 reach PS2 level.
Nintendo: Microsoft can't touch our overall sales. ha they already lost against us.
Because they are CRAP!!! ;-D SONY ARE THE GODS OF GAMING!!! ;-P THE END;)
Microsoft cause of death: No blu-ray
sooo that is why sony has been in last place for all these years?
My thoughts exactly i mean i guess to the writer of this article third place must equal first. sony boys have been saying the ps3 will surpass the 360 for years now its almost becoming sad
Hint: Writer means future, not past. Here is a link to the definition of the word in case you were wondering... http://www.google.com/searc...
@Subzero200x If you mean in America. Because 3rd place World Wide, it is Xbox 360.
I can't help but laugh at the phrasing there. It reminds me of the recent PS3pocalypse. You're right dude. They've been losing the "war" for a long, LONG time. What's it been? It feels like 15 years. I don't really understand what is being talked about here? In my house the PS3 has destroyed the other consoles. I have 3 PS3s, 1 Wii (soooooo angry about that. But wives are there to make you angry.) and 0 Xbox 360s. How about your household? This "war" talk is and always will be silly. I can't even find the losers here. If you don't like video games and buy a console, I guess you lose. But if you like games and have a console that you like. . . What is the issue here again?
Microsoft seal of approval is laughable at best. Check Sony exclusive games like R2 and you'll see a small stamp, the sony stamp of approval... given to some of the best and most polished games this generation. Now for Microsoft... the 360, Vista, Zune... want more? Basically ALL their operating system have launched with some problems some pretty large. I'm using Ubuntu at the moment and I adore it.
WW software and hardware sales MS are in no danger
Sony and MS will be scrapping with each other for second place for the next few years and who comes out on top? I dont care. The Wii has already won this console generation as far as intall base goes anyway. There are no losers this Gen; no Dreamcast, no Gamecube only 3 succesful consoles that will continue to give their owners many hours of fun for years to come. And people talk about Losers? lol
I don't think that the Wii should be compared to the 360 or the PS3. it's not even HD... I have one for my kid..but I don't consider it 'next-Gen'
You cant dismiss the Wii, thats console snobbery. The fact is that 3 console manufacturers were going to be releasing consoles this generation Sony, Nintendo and MS. Now that all 3 have been on the market for a number of years the Wii has an install base nearly that of its 2 competitors combined! You may not like the Games on it (although i think there are a few cracking games for the Wii) but im afraid you cant pretend it doesnt exist. Just enjoy the fact Nintendo are still here because after the poor sales of the Gamecube if the Wii was a failure then I would have worried for their existance as a hardware manufacturer. Each console is great on its own merits and its we Gamers who are the Winners.
People who dismiss the Wii are only fooling themselves. The Wii has kicked both PS3 and 360's arse! And they did it with no HD, no blu-ray and damn near no games(IMO). They kicked Sony/MS butts so hard that both companies had no choice but to copy and try and steal Nintendo's market share away. That is true ownage!
See that? You just showed people how silly they are. You're in that silly bunch I might add. The Wii has sold zillions of consoles with nothing more than a few games. There is no up side at all to the Wii. Yet you say the won something. People bought it and thought it was awesome for a few minutes then put it behind their cable box (It doesn't mesh well with most entertainment setups). The ONE thing they did was introduce motion control with superior advertising. Maybe we will all win in the long run thanks to that. But somehow people think they still won something. The winners are their stock holders. The Wii found a way to make tons of money by exploiting fickle consumers. Microsoft tried to make a serious console last gen. It was laughed at from day one. So for the encore, they made cheap crap that burned a lot of people. They cut every piece from their gaming division that didn't ALWAYS make money and started milking consumers. Now Sony has come along and done the same thing they've been doing and Microsoft tried to do. And as always, people are pointing and laughing while being duped by the others. Hopefully Sony sticks to their norm and releases their new system with as much forward thinking as the last 2 have had. Hopefully Microsoft and Nintendo have explored their money grab ideas to the fullest and bring systems that incorporate the few good ideas they've come up with recently. If that happens we all win. If Sony goes for the fast money and Microsoft stays with the fast money and Nintendo goes for fast money in HD. . . I'll be wasting $5000 on a PC. The only way I win is if the game makers make games and progress on all fronts.
Its too early to tell. All I know, they'll never lead the industry. They've made too many choices in order to beat Sony and keep things cheap rather than help the industry.
Desperate times it seems, so sad.
People keep forgetting that the PS3 will atleast last 10 years or more. Infact i think the PS3 could easily last 12 years. Sony has gone all out to make the PS3 as futureproof as possible. I mean the line "it only does everything" is true It does digital downloads, blu ray, Motion gaming AND 3D. Pretty much sony is at a win win situation. If DD is the future they have it covered, if 3D is the future PS3 has it covered, if Motion controls are the future of gaming then PS3 has it covered. the 360 just looks more outdated as the days go by. by the time the next Xbox comes out, PS3 games by then will look just as good as launch Xbox 720 titles. Hell you could argue GOW3 are already achieves that.
What happens when Microsoft loses the console war besides a bunch of weird kids crying or rejoicing?
even if ps3 sells more than 360, 360 exclusives and multiplats always sell better on 360, its always been about the games anyway
You said that wrong. Certain multiplatform games sell better on 360. The most recent example being Bad Company 2. And before that it was Modern Warfare 2. Then you have the Madden games. But those games have something more in common. The people that play those games more happen to be quite alike. And they usually have a 360. Look at games like FFXIII. PS3 had the better version, so maybe that isn't a fair comparison. Let's try something like Bayonetta. The PS3 version was plain horrible in comparison to the 360 version. Yet the PS3 version sold more. All that means is that the 360 has its type and the PS3 has its type. The 360 exclusives sell more than some of the PS3 exclusives, and this is me just going from the recent totals of exclusive games, because there are fewer exclusives.
It wouldn't surprise me if Sony 'beat' Microsoft with sales of current gen consoles. Personally however I'd like to own the console with the most good games rather than the console that sold the most and that is entirely subjective. To me, chances are it will be the PS3, but the talk of numbers is ridiculous. Both are selling respectable amounts, and if one sells 5 million more than the other, who cares. Sony have done a great job recently with the PS3 after a below-average launch, but Microsoft have done what I can imagine they wanted to do this year-they've taken a big slice of Sony's pie. I hate all the PR crap between Sony and Microsoft and hope it will stop, but regardless of how much I like the PS3, Microsoft have firmly put themselves in the console market with the 360 and that in itself is amazing with the dominance of the PS2 last gen.
Microsoft will be first bring out new console . Not because its bad, i played some amazing games on the console but the fact is the 360 had year head start and ps3 is only about 4-6 million units behind and is catching up unlike people said, and was one of the most expensive consoles ever. Also devs they getting incredibley p*ssed of with the dvd and the no hdd i do think the 360 would be amzing place if it had a HDD standard. pc is fine with dvd and it would not maded 360 much more expensive even then 120gb-500gb hdd where very cheap so no need other than greed from microsoft part. disgree with me all you like but Its fact 360 time is coming to end but it has been very good as soon MS see how much failer natal will be there will be new xbox. we saw how easily microsoft just give up with orignal xbox.
i dont care of microsoft wins or loses all i know is that i played some damn good games on the xbox 360
The mighty first playstation completely PWNED all! The godly playstation 2 took absolutely no prisoners! Surely the ps3 should easily dominate market share, right???? WRONG! The ps3 is still in last place and is no where near catching up to the 360. They still struggle in the world's number 1 market in NA. And how do you define..... "lose the console war?" Is it total sales? Is it profit? Is it market share? Well the ps3 is in last place in all 3 areas. The ps3 will never be the giant that the ps2 was and the Xbox 360 has already surpassed great expectations. That sounds like a win for Microsoft and a loss for Sony to me.
I have to agree, MS has already seen profits for their 360 even after the damn RROD issue. And even if the 360 isn't doing well in Japan it's still doing the best in the number one consumer nation in the world...North America! by the way, is this a doom article for 360?
Sony is still making great games and they're apparently making money from the games division again so I fail to see why anyone of us would care. This generation seems like it's going to end up pretty even.
Except all of Sony's games are crap!! Just kidding, sorry I couldn't resist since this is an article about 360. But seriously the 360/PS3 consoles have offerings for all gamers in the end we WIN! Except for the Wii! That console is garbage!
The PS2 started even slower than the PS3. And if everything was decided as it began the world would be a different place right now.
I'll make this easier for all the press that lil disagree button... Playstation: 102 million Nintendo 64: 32 Saturn: 9.5 Playstation 2: 140 million Xbox: 24 million Gamecube: 21 million And now we have... Wii: 70 million Xbox 360: 40 million Ps3: 34 million NOW TELL ME? IS SONY REALLY WINNING OR LOSING????