VGArabia: Lionhead bossman Peter Molyneux thinks that Sony's motion controller isn't as big a step as something like Natal and he explains why.
I'd expect him to say something like that. At least we know what Move is about, but Natal? Come E3, we'll have a better idea.
Indeed I too expected it. It wont be bigger but it will have a lot more money behind its advertising that's for sure. However see since MS pumps so much into advertising for its products it never makes more profit than Sony but does sell more numbers. As they are all that matter for MS as people gotta remember the 360 is the foothold for MS after the huge failure of the original Xbox.
Once people see it for the hype machine it is.....
Molyneux's statements wont be as big as reality. I think we all know that.
no natal is fud (like so many other devs are saying it is) that he loves move n wishes he could make fable knockoff #X on it? lets face it dudes a ms puppet nothing more edit n ya either way the only proof we'll have is after launch. im not overly stoked on either tho natal seems like a more original take lets jus hope they can get over the lag and huge footprint its leaving in the 360's available mem.
Ah... is Molyneux, what do you expect, he only OVER-hype his own stuff...
Fable 3 won't be as big as God of War 3 /thread
I think what he meant is Move's hype won't be as big as Natal's hype. This is guaranteed.
Don’t be a M$ whore Molyneux! I will most likely get both Natal and Move day 1; however I am anxious to see some really hardcore titles in action with both motion controllers. As of right now based on what we are hearing so far, the software for both Natal and Move is crap. I won’t be impressed by either one until I see a live demo of a hardcore came with both Natal and PS Move. I'm thinking the release date for both of them will be late October/early November (right before black Friday) so they have plenty of time to get all the bugs out. Even though I like my PS3 more than my 360, if M$ can pull off Natal and achieve what we have seen in the videos then all the PS Move will be is a Wii HD.
Peter stated his personal opinion about Move and in no way was hating on it. Right now Natal is strictly hype until we can see what it does at E3. All you guys being so defensive and hating on Natal while praising Move are laughable.
"Molyneux claimed that Move won’t be as big as Natal because Sony’s device is quite precise so it will be more targeted for core than to the casual market". So Sony's MOVE will target core gamers rather then the casual.... isn't that a good thing?
If you go by the media and all the hype they produce for a product then Peter Molyneux is 100% correct. The media is treating the Move like a Wii Clone while treating Natal as the next Great thing.
Natal will sell in America and UK(Not Europe entirely, just like "Move" will sell in Japan and (PAL). I still want to know what you're suppose to do with that Live Vision cam that you purchased.
Whatever, Peter should have more class than to directly talk about the oppo when he's up to his neck in Natal. Personally, the whole Milo thing is horrible to even look at and genuinely creeps me out on many, many levels. thing is what was he going to say? Certainly the media is more on the side of Natal but, for me, it's a total blank space right now. We don't know if it works, don't know how well it works, don't have a clue if it's even usable for the genres of games we, on here, would most like to play. how will they get around large game worlds? How will we "shoot" a gun with much sense of accurate trigger perception? The questions are endless right now while there are simply NO answers. I wasn't excited by the E3 demo, tbh, and have been fair enough about waiting to see something, anything that wows me about Natal(the most pointless thing, to me, is when people seem to think that it'll be a good way to navigate menus and change channels when, imo, pressing buttons is already a SERIOUSLY easy, totally fool[proof and convenient as all hell way of doing it. Why dowe need to change to gestures which, whatever way I cut it, MUST take more energy and movement than pressing a button or two, no? Puzzles me, honestly)so, come this E3, it's time for Natal to step up and justify the hype it's generated. Honestly, I don't see much of what's exciting people but I'm willing to be blown away by anyone with a good idea but, just like Wii and Sony's Move, it's applications, to work at all, have to be BETTER than what we have now and that's nowhere near as easy as just getting these systems to work in some clever, admittedly clever, ways. If it can't be an improvement on a pad it can, like the others, pklainly sod off and until we see a lot better from it i remain waiting for the spark that, so far, has stayed well hidden behind nothing mini games, a lot of lag, a change to using 360 processing ,meaning no old games can use it. Show us the magic MS! Show us the magic and make us want what you have and make it work, amnd work better than anything else, on the games we like playing already AND find us new ones we might even like better. Otherwise(and this goes for them all now as, imo, motion controls stand at a crossroads between a relevant future and becoming a little epitaph to failure along the road of game development)we'll just mess around for a bit and go back to our controllers. Not knocking any of them-MS talk a good game but there's no details while Sony have impressive accuracy but no killer software as yet and the Wii seems to be struggling to get Motion Plus being utilised by developers. I detect issues with the whole movement myself and either developers find great uses for this tech or it's going to prove a bit of a waste in the end. Certainly, imo, we haven't ever had what we hoped for from the Wii and we're yet to see anything better from the other two. Hope E3 brings the magic.
That may be true, but HYPE ultimately leads to.. *insert thoughts*
I personally am not all the concerned about motion controls on either platform. However move is the only one that I think has a possibility of seriously catching on with the mainstream gamer. I don't know that it will but I think that it can. Here is what I base it that on. At GDC we saw that move can be used to play SOCOM 4. It kind of divorced the aiming reticule from the camera control. I can see that as being a major, crushing advantage over someone playing with a controller. It would be similar to the controller vs. keyboard and mouse debate. If the situation looks like this.... Player one has to use his thumb to move the stick which in turn moves the camera until the reticule centers on another moving player before he can kill his opponent. Player two can use his whole hand and point at another player in a far corner of the screen, without having to wait on the camera, and press fire. Player two has a major advantage, I dare say, a CRUSHING advantage. If it really does work out like that, then I can see all the hardcore Modern Warefare, and Killzone, and Resistance, and Battlefield players etc., buying one. They will have to.
Fact: 50% of the crap that comes out of Molyneux mouth is either a lie or just nonsense purposed to over hype something and the other 50% is just pure garbage. Fact: You're better of attempting to have a heart felt conversation with your pet beetle that try to work something of importance out of this mans mouth.
Damm you guys are so defensive, the guy didn't even hate on sony's "wii-move"(my words not his), he seemed to answer fairly but I guess somehow in the n4g reality you folks live in you really expect him to say "Move is tah greatest thing I ever seen!" "Whatever, Peter should have more class than to directly talk about the oppo when he's up to his neck in Natal." -mastiffchild --Yeah right "whatever" mastiff, as if a sony exec's show more "class" when answering direct questions about the competition. You act as if Peter simply flew off the handle bashing sonys move...he simply answered a question, quite intenlligently I might add, but of course just like any sony rep he's expected to still say they have a better product, right? Looks to me as if he was actually somewhat complimenting sonys efforts. “Yes, I have seen some of it. We’re not really surprised, are we? I mean at E3 last year we saw they were having a wand, and that’s kind of what I expected. It looks like they’ve taken a step forward but it’s not as big a step as something like Natal, I don’t think. This is purely me talking personally, but I think maybe it’s slightly more a device for the core than it is for the casual market, because I think it’s quite precise.” -Peter Molyneux “As a designer it’s another one of those things I’d love to get my hands on and to play around with. As a consumer, everyone’s talking about motion control now – I mean, I’m starting to get confused. It’s kind of like the arms race, with the Wii MotionPlus and now the Sony Move and now I’m getting kind of confused.” -Peter Molyneux ^^^^^Those are the entire quotes from Peter in this article, nothing bashing, not just the carefully selected misleading quote. JOY
But i think that Natal will sell better than Move imo.
it sure will. We all know how good microsoft is with marketing. But the real question is ; will Natal be better tgab Move? There's doubt . imo
I agree with Natsu on this one. Natal will prob sell better but I doubt it will be as functional as the Move. MS is king of marketing and hype.
Vista flopped because it wasn't good enough and had all manner of problems. Zune flopped because it didn't really know what it's enemy was and was pitched all wrong, imo, as well as having it's own issues as well. Marketing jhad little to do with either one messing up. If a product isn't right or there isn't a market FOR it it will struggkle to sell but MAS have managed to get the media's ear with Natal and done it with NOTHING impressive to show them. they market and price it well and it WILL sell but the big money is in the software and if that ends up being a load of mini game tosh will 360 gamers REALLY keep buying it? Sony, onnthe other hand haven't got the killer software either, yet, and haven't priced or bundled Move competitively in any way and, to me, might just have rendered it a fail before launch. If it's too expensive people won't buy it and support will die off right away. PSEyetoy all over again with Sony going at it all half arsed as they never really understood who they were selling it to in the first place. At least MS might have a picture of who they're aiming for with Natal as sony are pricing theirs at "gamer" prices while aiming for casuals who don't give a toss about HD and can get a Wii and playing for less than half the price of doing so by buying a PS3 AND move on top($400?). Seriously messed up, imo.
MS is one gigantic hype machine...You won't be able to p|ss in a public toilet without seeing ads for Natal....that doesn't mean it will be better. I'd agree that Natal is definitely more ambitious....the question is: How well will this transfer over to the final product....Not one video shows Natal living up to the hype. Sony's "Move" is at least already being implemented into one of Sony's most hardcore FPSs (Socom)....What's natal going to be used with, other than shuffling around the dashboard?
socom is not a fps its a tps and from what im hearing move works very well with it. Time will tell. If it doesnt work out ill just use the ds as always and wait until they do get a game that works well. if anyone remembers the first motion games on the wii they will know that i took them a while to incorporate good controls into a game. As i said before time will tell but this could be huge.
You're right....Third person....I had MAG on my mind when I wrote that
"Molyneux: Move won't be as big as Natal" Yeah it won't have as much shovelware either. As long as sony applies rules like psn games, we should have more decent games.
but we have to see something worthy to make us excited. I'm looking forward to what will the developers at Rare are going to do with Natal.
This Peter guy is delusional.
Since Fable II certainly. When even his handlers couldn't keep him checked.
no, he develops games for microsoft. of course he isn't going to say that move is going to be bigger or better than natal. never bite the hand that feeds you. my opinion: I haven't seen enough of natal to make a judgement.
and you sir show us what can Natal do, or you all just talk since the last E3 with that BAM stuff?!! -.- http://www.youtube.com/watc...
He's right...this time. Natal is a bigger step than Move and much riskier..hopefully it pays off.
Its a eye toy
and move is a wii-mote
Eyetoy was never anything but a cheap USB webcam. PlayStation eye is a more modern cheap webcam with a microphone. It can't do binocular depth perception which is what the lights do. Move is a Playstation Eye with two wiimote-like pointer controllers with a light on top or one 'light controller' and a secondary control attachment that will all cost money and all need to be charged through a USB port along with the dualshock 3. Sounds like a real pain in the butt to me.
Maybe in consept, but MS seems to only be able talk about Natal rather then show what it can do. MS needs to show off Natal and they haven't been able to do that yet. They need to show us more then that laggy dodge ball.
was that before or after GDC lol, because from what I heard Natal was rubbish, lol http://uk.wii.ign.com/artic...
Natal, though -- the motion offering from Microsoft -- not so much. The same studio rep calls Natal a big, buggy mess. "It's sh*t," he adds, saying that it just doesn't work as promised. That it's slow and that the camera is imprecise, which he notes, is causing some major development woes. He refers to a development conference Microsoft held not so long ago in which Peter Molyneux of Fable fame (presently, creative director at Microsoft Game Studios) took the stage and attempted to demo the publisher's much-publicized Milo Natal project. Molyneux apparently called someone from the audience to the stage and asked them to interact with the virtual boy, but it didn't go to plan. Natal's camera failed to see the person accurately because he was wearing a black trench coat. After some fiddling, he was asked to remove his trench coat and -- whoops -- wore a black shirt underneath. When it still didn't work, he was invited to take his seat again. Next, Molyneux said that Milo could interact with illustrations drawn to paper and scanned by the camera. He asked the audience for suggestions. "You could see him coking his head and listening for the right key words, and then finally he heard something the game would recognize," my development source explains. It was a cat. So he invited someone from the audience to ascend the steps to the stage and illustrate the feline on paper. When Natal attempted to scan the horribly scribbled drawing, it instead picked up the Abercrombie & Fitch logo on the person's sweater. I laugh at this but try to play devil's advocate. Okay, I say, so it's obvious you're not a fan, but somebody must be getting this thing to work well or it wouldn't be on the slate to ship this year. I ask if he knows of any other studios struggling with Natal. "How about Rare and Lionhead? They're just going to try to make launch and then they're going to patch everything later," he says, laughing.
Peter is still talking. It's amazing. He just never shuts up. Begging for good reviews, brown nosing Microsoft, insisting that his games are good dispite their mediocrity. "Ummm... the Natal is a bigger step then Move,and I am not just saying this because I'm with Microsoft really, I'm just telling the truth". It's amazing how everyone only sticks to the truth when talking about Sony's endevours. Everything said about Nintendo or Microsoft is never a half truth, exaggeration or overhyped.
I hope Peter is right. I hope the Move is targeted towards the core gamer. I already have a Wii for motion enabled party games.
Only thing i can say is. Move alrdy does what natal and wii promised so peter you better just shush with your smoke and mirrors milo and the bottom of a avatars shoe.
Interesting. I wonder if he knows a developer called Natal a pile of **** at GDC. Saying that it is a buggy mess and totally unresponsive and slow. Good luck with that.
Who cares. Both of them suck and neither will sell. Natal will probably sell like 100 units and Move will sell like 12. Yeah, Natal will sell more, but sales will still be pathetic for both.
That statement is so true.
He must be talking about it's size.
Still can't see Natal being applied into normal games so earily - seems very limited to game that let you flail your arms and legs about.
Why is this pedo so interested in talking about Move, must be cause it looks like a dildo to him, probably jealous he doesn't get to play with it, lol
Says one of the biggest bots working for Microsoft. "but but bu Flopple3 must sell more than 5 million" Unfortunately for him Flopple 3 isnt gonna sell more than Flopple 2. Thats what happens when you milk it every year. We seen it happen with Flopza 3, we seen it happen with Halo ODST/ Wars, we seen it happen with L4D2. Flopple3 will follow that same path. And we all know why the bot said that in the first place...Microsoft is gonna skin his ass if he cant break that downtrend.
hello pro-sony paid admins who made this artice degree rise slow. do you afraid of natal so much? :)) lol just lol
I mean he is the one who showed off Milo.
Let the games speak for these devices. Im tired of all this speculation when neither is out on the market. I wouldn't trust his word though, he always comes up short with his promises.
As of now.. whats the difference between PlayStation eye and natal? To be honest I don't think any of them will be that big. I mean I can somewhat see Move having a little more potential given the 1:1 movement but after having a PlayStation eyetoy and a couple games, I don't think natal can get any games that are that fun. Sure it'll be fun for a while to hit some balls but soon I'm just going to want to go back to playing hardcore games. Plus you need full body support with natal. The majority of 360 gamers are probably kids in their small rooms with hardly any room full FULL body support.
Unless the population of pedophiles vs gamers has changed infavour of the pedophiles I doubt it.
poor molyneux he is confuse
When Peter Molyneux says something, you know to expect the opposite. The industries biggest [email protected] Closely followed by Greenturd.
actions speak louder then words. and Sony is alot louder when it comes to actions.
Peter is right in saying it'll be bigger, it will, but Natal splits the console in two, Natal games and traditional games...the Move seems to be blending the two to a certain degre, possibly giving you the option to use it or not on new and existing games. Does anyone know if Natal will have some sort of implementation on existing games?
this is how things are going to happen "Move" be popular in japan, while "Natal" be popular in usa, then it all comes down to europe and UK. As most people are saying E3 is going to be the place to see final versions of both Sony's and Microsoft's motion controllers.
Dear Molyneux, even your games aren't/won't be as big as Mass Effect, Gears of War etc, but noone goes around saying it. So shut up pls, let the time speak.
BIG, BIG, THINGS ARE HUGE AND MASSIVE!!! But he only does, little, halfway, just ok, kinda cool stuff...
The giant blue testicle on the "wand" kinda killed my enthusiasm for it.hopefully they'll have a black rubber you can put on your blue ball to make it match without making it dysfuctional!
Yep casual gamers don't want precision, they want Lagtal lol
I just dont see natal working, games need buttons how could play a hardcore game without buttons like gears or halo.
Of course hes saying this. Hes got his head so far up Microsofts arse
What on God's green earth is that crap?
If Natal happens to pull off what they want it to do..with no lag or other issues..it will surpass Wii-mote and PS Move..IMO. but like I said it's a big IF!!! Even if it did work i still won't buy it..I'm to old to be swinging and kicking around like a bratty child!!
I hope Natal is huge.MS has already put all of Rare on it and Lionhead are working on it so they have about 2 studios maybe 3 making proper games.Sony has huge resources with a couple of 17 studios working on Move and they get easy ports for 3rd partys or even patch updates for other games.Natal involves more resources needed as games have to coded ground up for it,cannot be patched with it and cannot do straight ports of Wii games(hence no Tiger woods or Ea sports active 2.0 until 2011). Bottom line is that if Natal is successful,PS3 fans will sit there playing lots of proper AAA games while 360 gets flooded with Natal crap and hardly any decent,proper games using a pad.Roll on Natal success.MS will put all there money/resources where sales are and they have hardly any studios.It also means 360 graphics will get worse rather than better.
this from a man who apologizes for every game he creates..lol
if the right games come out on move it could suceed,but not already games with move controls,come on now. natal doesnt even interest me,id rather get a wii instead of natal