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Sony Made Its 'Move', Natal Had Better Come Good

No, it's not the PS3 Arc and for sure not the Wand, it's the PlayStation Move. Moving through GDC like a fresh breath of wind, Sony's motion device has injected new life into motion gaming again.

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Sonyslave35153d ago (Edited 5153d ago )

HAHAHAGHHHAHAHHHAHAH sony made a wii clone MS is going to sh!t all over this clone.

It only does everything..Nintendo does.

cyborg69715153d ago

And MS only does, nothing but buy dos, steal gui, and innovate nothing what is your point.

saint_john_paul_ii5153d ago

he doesnt have a point, he's a certified troll..

mrv3215153d ago

Microsoft cloned the PS2 a last generation console.

Can I check of PSmove is again

PSmove is a CAMERA and a motion device
Natal is a camera.

Last I check Camera and motion>camera

But hey... those are the facts like Natal has more lag than PSmove and Natal is less accurate

Show me hardcore games on Natal go on, the only example if Burnout Paradise which is INFERIOR on Natal than Controller.

plb5153d ago

@mrv321 So Natal is really just a camera? Ignorance must be bliss.

cyborg69715153d ago

Then you must be the most blissful person on this rock.

mrv3215153d ago

Ok, I'm sorry Natal is a camera and a Microphone.

Seriously that what it is, sure it's advanced and 3D but it's a camera none the less.

rawd5153d ago

Can't wait to see Natal RROD when someone happens to walk passed the TV

avengers19785153d ago

Well the move did show off more capabilites then anything Natal has shown, oh and it actual works with exsisting games. Wanna play Halo with Natal sorry your out of luck, but if you want to play socom with the move go right ahead.
Sorry sony just dropped a huge bomb all over Microsoft's Natal and they'd better come with something impressive at E3, because The Move packaged with HDMI camera, and game(hopefully sports champions) for less then 100 dollars is a damn good deal...considering the Natal by self will probably be more than 100 dollars.

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immortal845153d ago

is getting silly. i'm not interested for any of them.

Silellak5153d ago

I dunno, I don't think the problem is with motion gaming per-say, but the implementation thus-far. People wanted things like a 1-to-1 sword-fighting or 1-to-1 boxing game since the Wii was first announced, and years, later, there's still no such thing. Both Sony's Move and Microsoft's Natal have the possibility to change that, and as of yesterday, Sony's Move has shown more realistic and useful implementations.

If either one of them actually get it RIGHT, even some hardcore folks might enjoy the occasional motion controlled game. All it would take is a 1-to-1 lightsaber dueling game to win most of us over, really ;)

PoSTedUP5153d ago (Edited 5153d ago )

the Sony Move vs. MS Natal:

Natal is great tech. that you can interact with stuff on screen with your bodyparts. BUT games such as most games... how are you going to move about if you dont have anything to press or control? you only have a limited ammount of room in your home.... this is the reason you dont see many games for the PS eye! its the same concept and you are limited!

Move, you have control of your hands, plus you have control of the charectar and can move around because of the controller wii thing., you have more control than natal by far.

so natal will be implemented into casual games like the ones we have seen, and ps move will be implemented with most games.

they are different yes. depending on price and how much i like what i see, i will probably be getting both (regardless of how much crap i talked about the wii) that fighting game looked sick.

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JackBNimble5153d ago (Edited 5153d ago )

@Blakzhuk

I doubt that very much ,I also doubt that Natal will be under $100us.

(I did get the pun)

Aquanox5153d ago

I was expecting better from Sony. What a bad marketing ad.

Everything there looks extremely boring.

For example, the guy "Boxing". HE moves his head to evade. Why? The PS3 motion will not detect this movement. Natal will.

For a Boxing game ala Punch out, Natal will be THE sh**t.

D4RkNIKON5153d ago

Move has been proven to work with any game type. Natal has not, I am waiting to see how they plan to use Natal without a controller to control FPS or Third person shooters, rail shooters are so lame imo.

WhittO5153d ago

I'm interested in the Move, all the people who say the Wii is fun with family etc can now say that about ps3.

I know though, even though the controls may be more accurate, graphics alot better, there will still be people who will not admit the PS3 does it better.

iFLOWLIKEWATER5153d ago

Pfftt...The "Move" is so parallel to the Wii-mote, that its amazing people are actually loving it and at the same time hated Wii. In other words Sony is competing with Ninty because MS is on some different level from the formers.

Cenobia5153d ago

Wow...you do realize Sony and MS are both just trying to steal a portion of Nintendo's market share. I hope you don't really think MS is above that seeing as their business practices are the most suspect, imo (ie buying out exclusives and DLC).

The 'Move' provides 1 to 1 movement with HD graphics. Sounds like win to me. Even if you hate the Wii, you have to admit that some of the games are pretty awesome.

I'd like to see an Okami re-re-release and a lot of PSN games like World of Goo. I can't deny it's similarity to the Wii mote, but I don't particularly care. I doubt xbox users cared that avatars ripped off Mii's. Really this just broadens the type of games that the PS3 offers so I think its a good thing.

They better not make you buy the 2 remotes separately though. That nunchuck bullsh!t on the Wii pissed me off.

D4RkNIKON5153d ago

I hate to repost, especially in the same thread.. but you obviously don't read. How is MS on a different level when they are so limited without the use of a controller?

"Move has been proven to work with any game type. Natal has not, I am waiting to see how they plan to use Natal without a controller to control FPS or Third person shooters, rail shooters are so lame imo"

IdleLeeSiuLung5153d ago

I never heard anyone say, I wish the Wii was HD nor have I ever heard I wish the PS3 had motion controls. In fact, I have heard the sixaxxis sucks!

So tell me what void is Sony trying to target. At $300 for the PS3 + $70-99 for the motion control, it is at twice the price of the Wii and it lacks a nunchuck!

They seriously need to come down on the price even if the product has way more features than the Wii. You want to compete with the Wii, compete where it matters!

JustTheFactsMr5153d ago

"Sony is competing with Ninty because MS is on some different level from the formers."

Let's recap:

RROD
No HDD standard (Xbox was ahead)
HDMI is a waste of time
last generation small scratch-prone DVD's
same 5.1 lossy sound as Xbox
Removing hardware processing from camera and further burdening an already underpowered console.

Your right they have proven themselves to be on a completely different level. Not a stellar or visionary one however. But blind faith is what it is. Blind.

EVILDEAD3605153d ago

We've seen enough ad nauseum Natal in conferences and talk shows to last us a lifetime..or at least till E3..'Move' just took it's second baby step..

Not only did 'Move' turn out to be the Wii mote 2.0..they used the 'Natal' commercial to promote it.

Natal haters and PS3 friendly blog sites spent months telling everyone how the hate motion controllers until last night..funny how one day can change things..

Forget Socom 4..if Move existed today..would any PS3 fan prefer the controller or Move to play M.A.G...Call of Duty etc?

Will on rail shooters like House of Dead really take off on the PS3?

Will ANY PS3 shooter be more accurate to the Guncon peripheral?

I'm still hoping for an HD version of the PS2 'Point Blank' collection for the abandoned Guncon3..(pretty please Sony)

Talk all you want about Nintendo..but will ANY game coming out for the Wii top 2010's Super Mari Galaxy 2, Metroid, or the rumored Zelda?

All Natal has to do..is emulate it's original commercial and it will DOMINATE the headlines (although N4G will have a slew of negative ones)

Make no mistake..Natal does have alot to prove..but 'Sony' is in the exact same boat..

If Natal actually brings new gaming experiences...we ALL win

If Move actually is a more precise Wii with PS3 graphics ..we All win (umm..the homeys at Nintendo might not agree with that assertion though..)

*pulls up feet on couch..E3 is going to be some serious fireworks****

Evil

SPACEBALL 15153d ago

neither natal or move sound all that cool, but at least microsoft is trying something new rather that ripping off the wii.

Mr_Bun5153d ago

You mean "ripping off the wii" AGAIN!
/fixed

BaSeBaLlKiD7215153d ago

"So tell me what void is Sony trying to target. At $300 for the PS3 + $70-99 for the motion control, it is at twice the price of the Wii and it lacks a nunchuck!"

Are you serious??? Have you not been paying attention to this site for past two days. There is a nunchuck called the Sub controller. Damn I really hate when people comment with lack of knowledge.

otherZinc5153d ago

Can SONY think for themselves?

Biggest5153d ago

Aquanox had already proven himself deaf and dumb. Now he is suffering from blindness. I wonder, Aquanox, if HE moved his head and the game recognized it because THERE IS A GOTDAMNED CAMERA THERE. Just saying.

And to the evildead guy. . . Let's see what the Natal has shown over the course of the year. A ball game that doesn't actually work. A cartoon man that has appendages that intertwine and protrude where they ought not be. A ball game that doesn't work with breakdancing. A racing game that isn't actually the game or the race. A ball game that doesn't actually work.
And in one 40 minute lecture, the Move has done better. It showed pre-alpha builds of a multitude of games ranging from completely childish and lame to extremely fun and mature. They showed precision that according to the people that were able to use it is the best ever seen. There were no dancing ball games. There were no twitch BAM men. And no arm tiring racing not-really-the-game games. Good job, Natal.

IdleLeeSiuLung5153d ago

"Are you serious??? Have you not been paying attention to this site for past two days. There is a nunchuck called the Sub controller. Damn I really hate when people comment with lack of knowledge."

What I meant was for the bundled at $70-99 price tag Sony is aiming for, it lacks the nunchuck.

HolyOrangeCows5153d ago

It'll be just like the HD-DVD vs Blu-ray battle: More will be on board at first for the Microsoft backed product, but then leave when the restrictions get in the way.

EVILDEAD3605152d ago (Edited 5152d ago )

'And in one 40 minute lecture, the Move has done better. It showed pre-alpha builds of a multitude of games ranging from completely childish and lame to extremely fun and mature.'

LMAO @ the multitude of games you are bragging about..

Look we all get it..your one of the I'll bash the 360 till the end of time guys..with the same ol' anti-anything Microsoft rah rah..you've clearly proven that..

But..you have got to be joking about the 'multitude of games' in that conference being the greatest thing since sliced bread..

Bash Natal ALL you want..say what they showed can't be real..talk lag all day..but at LEAST what they showed was a departure from the same ol' Nintendo formula.

I'm not trying to bash the 'Move' in anyway but let's keep it 100% real.everything they showed was a replica of what the Wii has already done..

Boxing..Day one..Wii Sports

The Bow and Arrow..Wii Sports resort

Table Tennis..Wii Sports resort..third party games (Rockstar Table Tennis etc)

Golf..Wii Sports..multiple 3rd party Wii games from Tiger Woods etc..

Swords..Wii play Resort..to older games like Red Steel and No more heroes

Shooter..FPS isn't new..See third party games like the Wii version of Call of Duty

On Rail Shooters..House of dead 2 & 3, Overkill, etc.

And if you want to count the little girl drawing on the screen then that goes back to the silly Natal elephant game..

So once again, you have the Move presentation telling the world that it can do and provide games that have already been on the Wii..

With that said..there is NOTHING wrong with what Sony is doing..but it is hilarious at the bashing Natal took from the exact same people that are praising 'Move'..

In fact the daily Internet Natal haters #1 argument was that Micrsoft shouldn't be trying to go after the casual market because wii is already the winner..and they even tried to show how it was bad for gaming in general..lol

Funny how time flies and opinions are reversed when it their fave console blatantly trying to do the exact same thing..

Evil

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The EDGE5153d ago

i guess its more for the casual gamers

movements5153d ago

So you're saying some hacking and slashing with Move wouldn't be awesome? Hmm?

How about handling Kratos' sword with Move in an epic battle featuring Zeus? Awesomeness I reckon!

Cenobia5153d ago

I'd prefer it if this stayed away from the PS3's core exclusives. They should be making games to fit this controller, not shoehorning already awesome franchises into it.

Oblivion would be pretty well suited for it because the pacing is slower. GOW would make you tired in 3 minutes. I don't think the combo gameplay would work well with this either.

Basically I want to see NEW games. Just don't butcher IP's that are already awesome for this.

ALFAxD_CENTAURO5153d ago

Killzone 3, Resident Evil 5 and others like the Survival Horor Game incoming compatible with Move, are not Casuals. Especially Killzone 3.

The EDGE5153d ago

its more like a wannabe eye toy

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70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability

With so many games fighting for players' attention and interest losing out over time, time sink games are at risk of eventually losing steam.

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thorstein1d 20h ago

It was worrisome to begin with.

It's a niche genre with only a handful of hits that can stand the test of time.

Cacabunga23h ago

I like the sound of that!! I will for sure never support these gaas games.
Sony must be shocked at gamer's reaction, making them cancel a few of these and hopefully go back to the good heavy hitters they had us used to..
now bring on that PSPro reveal and show us some SP 1st party awesomeness.

CrimsonWing691d 19h ago

What’s to be unsure of!? Look at the ratio of success to failure!

DarXyde1d 2h ago

It's pretty ridiculous.

Imagine having a breadth of data at your disposal to see the statistically low success rate of these games, only to be laser focused on the exceptional case studies.

shinoff21831d 18h ago

Yes. Stop all the live service bs.

jznrpg1d 17h ago

Only a few will catch on. You need a perfect storm to be successful in GaaS and a bit of luck on top of that. But a potential cash cow will keep them trying and some will go out of business because of it.

MIDGETonSTILTS171d 17h ago

Helldivers 2 manages just fine…

Keep production costs low… don’t just make custscenes until the mechanics and enemies are perfected first.

Make so much content that you can drip extra content for years, and the game already feels complete without them.

Most importantly: make weapons, enemies, levels, and mechanics that will stand the test of 1000 hours. This might require more devs embracing procedurally generated leveled, which I think separates Helldivers 2 from Destiny’s repetitiveness.

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The Battle Pass Is The Worst Thing To Happen To Modern Gaming

Nameer from eXputer: "Some exceptions aside, I don't think the battle pass is a net positive for gaming with how they're implemented in most live service titles."

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got_dam1d 21h ago

Battle passes AND meta gaming both.

DivineHand1251d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

I like the way Helldivers 2 does battle passes. It allows you to make purchases on each level of the battle pass and gives you the option of choosing which item to unlock first. The more purchases you make using medals the further you progress. There is no timer and you can earn medals towards purchasing stuff via personal orders and Major orders.

I haven't played much live service games that have battle passes but I remember some games that have battle passes where you progress through it linearly using an exp system. What makes it really bad is that the battle pass will have like 50 or more levels with the cooler stuff being closer to the end. They also have an in-game shop that sells exp boosters so you can reach the end of the pass before it refreshes. Everyone ilse will have to grind their way through.

lucian2291d 19h ago

battle pass in fortnite is perfect; buy one and it buys the rest for every other season as it gives you more money than the first cost. so 8.50 and season ends with you getting 13.00, it pays for the next and you have some pocket change to save up for cash shop. All of which is optional

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PS5 Pro specs leak video taken down by Sony

Sony is taking actions as video by Moore’s Law is Dead, has been issued with a copyright claim.

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andy852d ago

And people say it's all fake because Sony haven't said anything 😂 conveniently forget the PS4 Pro was only announced 2 months before release.

BeHunted2d ago

It's fake. There's no factual evidence other than his own made up specs.

Hereandthere2d ago

What were the specks Sony was afraid of showing?

Shikoku2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Digital foundry put a video out saying what he leaked was exactly what they also knew about the PS5 PRO. So no it's not just stuff he made up

Babadook72d ago (Edited 2d ago )

If it’s fake what copyright does MLID infringe upon?

😂

andy852d ago

Aye because they'd go to the effort of copyright claiming it if it didn't exist 🙃😂 you'd have to be a special kind to be thinking its not a thing by now

Cacabunga2d ago

They need to reveal it with uncharted killzone or a heavy hitter like this

Ironmike2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

U mean the specs that we'll established digital foundry which said these are the actual specs published a video on 2 weeks ago I mean they are only one of most trusted sites for tech information but they just made up a video for the sake of it

Christopher1d 20h ago

I would love for it all to be fake, but lots of people are saying they've seen/heard the same thing. But, man, we 100% don't need mid-gen upgrades when we're failing hard to optimize current hardware.

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Seraphim1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

if I recall Sony lowered sales expectations for PS5 earlier this year. if that is the case we won't hear anything about a Pro until next year or shortly before/when it's dropping. After all, if the Pro was dropping this year/fiscal year they wouldn't have lowered expectations.

As for squashing rumors. Yeah, shit like this prevents potential buyers from adopting now, just like slim rumors in the past. It only makes sense to keep things under wraps from a business perspective. Despite living in a technological age of unfettered access to information we don't need to know whats going on behind closed doors be that at Sony, Nintendo, MS, or amongst any development studios. When the steak is done we shall feast.

JackBNimble1d 15h ago

By the time games are actually made to take advantage of the pro spec's the ps6 will be released or close to it.

jznrpg2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Just announce it already! I want to preorder one asap. But in reality they don’t want to lessen PS5 sales until Pro is ready to launch so I understand the business part of it. September is probably when they announce it with an early November launch like the PS4 Pro

Ironmike2d ago

Pro won't lessen sales sames ps4 pro never and the ps4 pro was more relevant at the time cos move to 4k this not needed

RaidenBlack2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Yea, my brother got his PS4 (coz of a good deal) after the PS4 Pro's release.

darthv722d ago

^^same here. I got a base 4 for only $100 off a guy who bought the Pro. then a few months later I found a guy on craigslist selling a pro for $100 because it was left behind by his former roommate who moved out. That was the beginning of my obsession to buy up the different variants of the PS4 that were released.

As of now I am really only missing the 500m one and the gold slim but otherwise I have pretty much all the other retail ones. https://consolevariations.c...

BoneMagnus1d 22h ago

@darth - Nice collection!

crazyCoconuts1d 17h ago

Anyone with 4K that appreciates 60fps is gonna disagree about it not being needed.
DLSS is a god send for Nvidia, and there's been nothing like it for AMD...yet ...

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DeadlyFire1d 22h ago

They will announce it around E3 timeframe about May-June whenever they do a showcase for the year.

neutralgamer19922d ago

Just announce it this thing will sell well

Ironmike2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don't think it will pll still haven't seen the potential of ps5 yet

Cacabunga1d 20h ago

agreed, but it might sell if they announce some 1st party games to lead the way. if people see the difference with the base version they can move on. for my sake I am still gaming mainly on PS4 (still not finished with RDR2 due to lack of gaming time). I have a huge backlog on PS5 I am hoping to get into.

mark3214uk2d ago

why? game makers havnt even come close to maxing out current spec yet, were getting al lthese new TFlops and game maker are making crappy remakes not worthy of the ps3

Minute Man 7212d ago

The guts of the 5 and X are 5 years old

fr0sty1d 18h ago

People keep saying that, yet we still have games running at near HD resolutions, 30fps, and ray tracing features turned off.

PRIMORDUS2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I would take that video and upload a torrent of it, fuck that copyright bullshit. If your going to do something that has a chance of being taken down, make a torrent first share it. Then Sony or any other company is helpless and you can laugh in their faces, taunting them to try to take it down 🤣

LoveSpuds2d ago

With kind of analysis and advice, you could be a lawyer for Trump!🤣

tronyx122d ago

As much as the PS4 Pro didn't represent a major % in the playerbase, announcing a 'better' model will hinder sales from the 'base' model. They are right, business-wise.

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