The new software line-up for the new PlayStation Move-Controller shows that Sony rips off the ideas from Nintendo games. Images that proves it after the link.
Well, I will not pass on all the hypocrisy going around on N4G with all the love for these Wii sports games on the PS3, it is quite hilarious. /on topic No matter what, MOVE looks cool imho, I will be getting it. I guess it is safe to say that Nintendo truly did revolutionize the industry now. When the Wii was announced, so many people said it would fail, and now the two companies that find themselves in 2nd and 3rd are pretty much doing what nintendo did...4 years ago.
Wow man how disappointing it is almost like the wii sdk for the remotes. On top of this they failed to generate characters you want to play with. I hope these motion games fly off the selves for them though. Some thing needs to stop the slow bleeding of the hd side of the industry. Another thing is Sony risks making nintendo look good. Why if people still enjoy the wii more for these games then Sony will fail. Now if Sony can some how make great core games then they may be ok. Grantorismo with MOVE. Would people buy it? Another thing is people are for getting that natal can use nun chucks also it can actualy map the game pad to your body lol. Yet I think software is where the true magic is. Sony keeps proving this with me too products after blu Ray fualtered. Seriously it has yet to beat DVD in sales which is it's true competitor. Motion control gaming is harder than controller based gaming from a devs perspetive. Lots will get better at it now yet will their hd games sell? We will see some thing tells me their hate for nintendo will cuase these control methods to fail. If they do not then next gen will clearly be nintendos gen.
Oh dear they really gonna go here?? Well here is proof if you need it this site hates Sony and Playstation. This is like saying Halo ripped off Doom and Sonic Ripped Off Mario. Wii Sports ripped off Rockstar Tennis on 360.. Honestly they got nothing better to do?
one can deny that this is a complete rip-off of Nintendo. But where they can take this a bit further is by allowing you to use your Home avatar instead. This would really beef up Home. But like it was mentioned before, it pretty freaking hilarious how much they jacked them.
So releasing games with a similar genre to other games on different platforms, despite being vastly different games is copying? In that case, every game on the 360 is copying games on any Playstation.
This is funny. Sony isn't ripping off Nintendo. Sony is keeping the promises Nintendo made when they rolled out the Wiimote... and then re-promised when they rolled out MotionPlus. And, of course, failed to keep. Anyone who knows me, I'm a huge Microsoft fan, but while I'm getting both Move and Natal, I still think Move will be the superior motion tech. Gotta go with Sony on this one.
and reaffirm how uninterested I am in these sorts of uber casual games. Guess I'm old school, but I still would rather game using a traditional controller rather than some motion controller.
Pretty scandalous that Sony are copying the Nintendo created sport of table tennis that in no way shape or form existed any earlier than 4 years ago.
MEH. While Sony keeps pumping amazing games like GoW3, I dont care if the casuals get a PS3 to play some singstar, or table tennis. Or some get a PS3 to watch BD movies. Socom 4 using the Move looked pretty accurate though. There is potential for motion controlled hardcore gaming.
I'm one of the gamers that gets into the hard core, but has casual fun when friends come around. I'm also one of the ones that had minimal fun on the Wii, mostly because it looked childish to me. I thought that a motion control with a more adult, current gen look and feel was better suited for me. Solution found. And Sony ripped off Nintendo, Nintendo ripped off Sony (CD), MS ripped off Nintendo, Nintendo ripped off MS, MS ripped off Sony, Sony ripped off MS. So what. I get what I want, Rip them all off, more options for me.
There were fighting/boxing games long before the Wii's existence. There were even fighting/boxing games made for the Eyetoy. Sports games in general are a very basic and common genre in the video games industry. There were exercising games on the PS2 Eyetoy before the Wii. In fact when I first saw Wii Fit, all I could think of was "Wow! They're basically making all the games that were also on the Eyetoy!" There were motion controllers demoed on the PS2 long before the Wii was even thought of. Sony even created tech demos with 3DV's Z Camera long before Microsoft even tried to buy that same company to create Natal. Who's copying who? Does Sony have to come up with a completely new genre of games or controller input in order to NOT be ripping off of anyone? There will undoubtedly be sports games and exercising games for Natal too. There are basic genres that have been in existence for so long that someone always has to remake those games whenever a new console or new controller input comes out. People like to have selective memory in the video games industry. A little research would do these websites some good. -_-"
I posted in another article ~ The amount of shear misinformation is staggering in here! Sony/PlayStation has done what other Manufacturers are doing currently with the EyeToy LAST GEN with the PS2 over 8 years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... And my absolute favorite http://www.youtube.com/watc... The PlayStation Move/Eye & EyeToy does/did what EVERYBODY else is doing NOW. Deny it, lie about it & avoid it all you want...but it won't change the FACT that SONY innovated it from the get go! Your misinformed and biased BS is clear to all who have the tools and information to prove you wrong EVERY time. edit @ below ~ Aquanox said "It's the 2005's Sony's "Mee too" all over again! Come on Sony, after 5 years couldn't you come up with something more innovative?" LMFAO! Pwned. edit 2 @ below ~ LMFAO! You have the audacity to call me "ignorant" yet you are the one spreading lies, false misinformation and are now switching to a different point (of which is still WRONG)! You just can't accept nor acknowledge that truthful fact that Sony STARTED what Ninty & MS are doing now can you!? Seriously, give it up. You got busted and you can't hide/change that now. My proof beats your biased "opinion" any day, all day.
It's the 2005's Sony's "Mee too" all over again! Come on Sony, after 5 years couldn't you come up with something more innovative?
Holy crap, This is awful rip-off from Wii. Damn sony can't come up with anything new they copy others. Damn even the game line up is looking similar. Hey Sony fans do yourself a favour go buy Nintendo Wii with wii motion plus. Owns this peice of trash Move.
To the undocumented (aka Ignorant) guy above. Eye toy was unprecise, never had a compelling library and did NOT have a depth sensor which Natal does. Eye toy was simply a 2d camera that calculated proximity whereas Natal is the first home 3d motion device available and while it's already impressive in terms of hardware it's even more in terms of software, where Sony failed with Eye Toy.
I consider myself a true gamer and this is a Day 1 buy for me. Looking forward to the fighting game. I will also be getting NATAL day 1 as well. I love technology and I don't care who took what from where, as long as I have a good time than that's all that matters.
If Natal is allowed to improve camera based input into 3D, why can't Sony improve motion controls to 1:1? Its not just 1:1 either, with the PS Eye, the game will be able to know the exact position of the controller in 3D space. While on the Wii, the game only knows how much the controller has moved or rotated. Isn't Avatar a Mii ripoff by your standards then? The most hilarious thing of all though is that Sony has tried their hands on motion controls AND 3D based cameras all on PS2 hardware years before Nintendo or Microsoft even went that route.
LOL! Sony could release a pile of dog crap with its logo in and ONER would still DEFEND it using 100% FACTUAL evidence that only the BLIND can't see. If they DISAGREE they are just talking BIASED bs etc etc etc.
Sony is just further proving they are no different despite what the diehard sony loyalists think. Still this latest wii-move peripheral is like a straight wii-ripoff basicly it looks like sony didnt put much of their own stamp on when it comes to this motion control revolution started this gen nintendo, so far its just like they are trying to do a "wii-too". lol JOY
just because sony failed with the eyetoy, personally i never really cared about it myself, does not mean that natal is innovative. Sony did it first, thats its, MS is copying sony on Natal, NATAL=EYETOY, theirs no denying it, looking at all the descriptions about natal, you could change it to eyetoy and noone would be the wiser. Yes MS improved upon the eyetoy, but its 5 year old tech, they better improve upon it in the first place. @Noble Spartan well hope you put that same intuition towards MS with eyetoy...err i meant natal.
Anything you can do I can do better. Sony motto, and its not a bad one.
You are WRONG. Eye Toy =/= Natal. Go do your research.
Improving on a competitors product is good, but the key here is that it has to be better in some way and cost reasonably. With that in mind, I'm surprised more people aren't outraged that the cost of adding wii like features to the PS3 will cost at least half of what the PS3 cost! Less than a hundred $100 for the Move + Camera then anothor cost for the sub-controller (nunchuck) yields at least a $100! Wanna play two players? More $$$.... Want to know what the Move can do, play the Wii... I try to be excited, but Sony isn't showing me anything I haven't tried on the Wii.
+ Bubbles Starvin. A+ sarcasm! -CadDad
Awww poor mint royale! I guess since he has nothing else really to say he has to resort to the only thing he can do (and usually does)...attack the poster instead of the post. Hopefully you will grow out of your immaturity and be able to hold/make adult conversation & MAYBE have an open mind with proper valid information to back your point...instead of just anger, bitterness, bias & sadness (that everyone can see). Again no matter what you say or try, proof ALWAYS beats biased "opinion/conjecture" all day, any day. ;) @ harrisk954 below ~ Exactly. Great post Agree + Bubble!
But to complain about Sony ripping off of Wii's games? These are the generic games that every console is expected to have. Of course developers will jump in and re-create these games for the Move. Speaking of games that every console has, there should be Tetris for the Move. But using the Move to rotate and move the objects while they slowly fall.
MS announces Natal with nothing other than a flashy presentation based upon smoke and mirrors. The Natal model shown at E3 is technologically different (some might say inferior) than the one that will be released later this year. When, in fact, Sony had the EyeToy for the PS2 and the PSEye for the PS3 years earlier. And MS is called "INNOVATIVE". Sony introduces a motion control device that incorporates the PSEye technology with a similar (but MUCH more precise and streamlined)controller as the Wii. And the press and uninformed fanboys derides Sony for "ripping" off the Wii. There is a double standard at work here. MS is innovative, Sony rips off the Wii. Yet, any simple research (see all of the YouTube videos showing Natal and Wii-like technology on Sony systems) will show that Sony has been working on this type of motion control for YEARS. People can disagree to this post, but Sony is not ripping Nintendo off... They may be riding the motion-control wave right now, but they have improved on the technology that the Wii has and it is easier to develop for than Natal for developers... in fact Jack Tretton said that it cost a nominal amount of money and not much work to incorporate the Move tech. It is always going to be an OPTION... unlike what the Wii offers and what Natal will offer.
how long is years? before nintendo? i dont know.... beside i remember that sony said that the wii is a gimmicky which is a double standard there, i wish they would at least admit that they were wrong about motion tech lol im fine if they all going motion but hopefully they improve alot also reason why the move superior is that the wii came out 4 years ago so of course sony have time to built on it to make it better.
Anger, bitterness, bias and sadness? LOL what? I am a casual viewer of a gaming website dude and you take things way too seriously. So no I am not angry, bitter, biased or sad and quite frankly having such strong feelings over what is essentially is a hobby is what I would call sad. Don't take gaming seriously man, your aggression is really misplaced :) I'm off to the pub, have a nice time arguing agressively at people who may or may not want to hear that Sony invented this, that or whatever. I hope you enjoy how you spend your time.
Rocklee, Be honest now, Why is sony actually promoting Move with games that Wii introduced with their Wii-mote? Nintendo did NOT invent these sports/games, but hell yes it looks like Sony is trying to pull a Move-Sports. I was actually hoping something grand from Sony, but this marketing plan is just pathetic. Good luck to them though.
ZOMG teh demo titles are like teh wiiz! We gotz dem PSTREE fanbois right wjere we want em! OH NOES! TEY R COPYING NINTENDOES! Nintendo INVENTED tose sports! Picture 3 and 6 are really stretching it and the Wii game in #5 is all waggle.
@ Mint ~ LMFAO! You are soooo full of contradiction, lies and misinformation that you can't even keep track of it. Your original post which is directed squarely at me shows EXACTLY how bitter, angry, upset and aggressive you REALLY are. No point in trying to cover it up now with some lame BS excuse, trying to AGAIN insult me (feigning that you are not or in some way clear of it). All you are doing is nothing more than further proving me right. TY! :)
Oner I haven't given an opinion on anything to be spreading lies and misinformation. You clearly have issues with some people who seem to not completely agree with you and even some people that aren't even in the discussion! I'm not going to bother arguing with you because theres no point. Its a game website so talk about games for god's sake not all the 'BS' everyone seems to spread. Karma man :) Smile!
Again LoL! You just won't admit it huh?!?! The contradiction, lies and misinformation is from you calling me out. THAT is 100% clear for all to see right here in your own words! Not for anything else that you are trying to divert to now. "Mint ~ Its a game website so talk about games for god's sake not all the 'BS' everyone seems to spread" Really because from where I see it I WAS talking about gaming while you were not! You MAY be able to fool some who don't know your past post history but it's not gonna work here with me; you got put in your place/set straight & are now trying to play it off by attempting to hide behind "I'm cool man, I'm not angry, blah, blah, blah"...and I just know it must be killing you inside that you had nothing else but a poorly attempted veiled insult to begin with! LMFAO. You just don't get that you failed from the start because of what you said and are contradicting yourself more and more! You're trying too hard to cover up your initial mistake and it's not working very well.
Lol! Oh you ;)
"There were exercising games on the PS2 Eyetoy before the Wii. In fact when I first saw Wii Fit, all I could think of was "Wow! They're basically making all the games that were also on the Eyetoy!"" That doesn't really mean much to the market as a whole, though. Say that to the general public, and their response would have been and probably will continue to be 'What's an Eyetoy'? "There were motion controllers demoed on the PS2 long before the Wii was even thought of. Sony even created tech demos with 3DV's Z Camera long before Microsoft even tried to buy that same company to create Natal." Right, and Bandai's Power Pad, AGE's Power Glove, and Magnavox's light gun came out decades ago. Few people in the target audience really care about this, though. "Who's copying who?" Uh, technically, everyone's copying those defunct third parties I just mentioned -- or whoever those guys were copying way back when. But this kind of thing didn't hurt the Wii's marketing campaign because no one remembers any of them, or the Eyetoy, or any of the other attempts at motion control in the time Before Wii. The Wii, on the other hand, people remember. "Does Sony have to come up with a completely new genre of games or controller input in order to NOT be ripping off of anyone?" If they want to differentiate themselves from the competition, it would certainly behoove their performance to release genres that are not well-established and/or well-represented on a competing brand. "There are basic genres that have been in existence for so long that someone always has to remake those games whenever a new console or new controller input comes out." That may be true, but people who haven't been part of the gamer subculture until now don't know that, and if they're the ones who Sony is attempting to target, then this presents something of an obstacle. "People like to have selective memory in the video games industry. A little research would do these websites some good. -_-" Right, but here's the thing, consumers don't do research either. Image matters. Substance doesn't. The question is not "Is Sony ripping off Nintendo?", the question is "How well is Sony doing at setting itself apart from Nintendo?" And from the *games shown so far*, that answer is currently 'Not very well'.
You know Mint you actually made me chuckle so I gave you a bubble ~ fair enough? :P I know I can be "overly passionate" but the past couple of years with the gaming media as a whole and misinformation in general kinda gets to ya after a while... @ Above ~ "And from the *games shown so far*, that answer is currently 'Not very well'." I actually do agree with that statement because as it stands right now (as I have said) I am not all that interested in the PS Move currently...it's not until the Ape Escape, Flower, Pain, LBP, RE, Ratchet/Jack/Crash style games that ARE from quality devs who have a track record of putting time and devotion into their games (and it shows) is when I will decide if it warrants a purchase. Hell I own a Wii so why wouldn't I want a more accurate and precise capable version anyway!?
No probs Oner Bubbles back :)
PS3 = Wii 2 PS3 it only does everything.
Yes History re-written by Sony
this just stupid Now sony has stolen types of sport thinking what news will be next, begin to scary me
does everything except other platform exclusives lol. too bad they never get nintendo and microsoft franchise ^_^
everything?? you mean everything stealing from nintendo/ first the controller . second the games (wii sports/sports resort)[the beginning]
lol wat else can they do. oh well that life there gonna be followers and there are leaders
Stupid. So no one is allowed to make anything remotely close to the wii version. Every game we play is a better, updated version of an older game. Move is gonna rock.
I had no idea Nintendo owned the exclusive rights to all sports games /sarcasm As long as Sony can improve on the Wii Sports versions I'm happy. I have a Wii and I find its games lacking the depth and precision to give me a challenge- the only challenge is in enduring the zzz's.
I agree honestly my fave game for wii is that bloody bowling on wii sports and not one game for the wii has expanded on it. If Sony beats it not only with better graphics but with more game modes then honestly its all win-win for me. The reason I own a wii is wii sports lol.
Holy crap!!!!!!!!! 2 ping pong games that use motion controllers!!!!!!!!!!!! RIP [email protected]! ! -_- Seriously, that's almost as bad as saying "Halo's a rip off of Wolfenstein".
"This is very Stupid. So no one is allowed to make anything remotely close to the wii version. Every game we play is a better, updated version of an older game. Move is gonna rock. " The point is that ALOT of people from the likes os sony and people on forums N4G had laughed at the wii calling it a gimmick and now...let's be honest...sony is making something VERY similar to what nintendo has...and now it's ok and awesome?...and a "must buy" It just sounds very hypocritical to the sensible people on here. And please dont give me this crap about "HD" because a game is great based on the game itself and not the resoloution. Wii sports is very addicitive (tennis training modes especially) and now alot of you haters are going to realize this. I really cant believe how people on here can still say nintendo isnt the cause of sony's "new" products.
Damn look at the wii graphcis!
When playing video games starring a female lead I often become curious as to what they smell like after so many battles. Should I seek professional help?
Yeah they're like atari. Just blobs of color on top of blobs of color. Edit:@ above. You should seek the help. It sounds to me like you have more than one order for protection out on you.
It's called "competition", not "ripping off"... *sigh*
gave Nintendo credit during the press conference. Also i'd like to think of it as "inspired" Sports Gladiators. Just like God of War "inspired" Dante's Inferno gameplay. How the playstation eyetoy "inspired" Natal. I think you get my point.
I kind of agree with you Death. But there's a point where inspiration does just become sheer copying, and I think this time Sony have gone and done it. I would say more that the Wii inspired Sixaxis. But it sucked.
Showtime can you please explain how exactly Sony copied this?
Actually the sixaxis was released one week before than the wii. Lots of people forget that the first motion controlled platform this generation is indeed the PS3.
They really should've kept the focus on more hardcore games. It pisses me off that Sony and MS are trying to tackle the Wii market. It's a massive waste of money that could be spent on making massive, bombastic titles to blow everyone's socks off. Seriously, SCEE shelved Getaway and Eight Days for the EYEPET?!?!? What are they thinking?!?
ever since the Eyetoy for the PS2 came out. I can't believe people seem to forget that.
Just like DS, the Wii is something every little kid in America has or wants. By Microsoft and Sony saying "hey, you can have that same experience and also do this and this..", make parents consider buying a 360 or ps3 because of their better value. It's pretty much, out systems can do everything you kids love on the Wii, and also do stuff you love. A well rounded system.
so what im a kid for wanting/getting a wii and a ds?? that dont make sense. i rather say they are family orientated and is to all gamers not just to kids. beside they didnt label themselves, other companys did
Why would sony want to emulate the most successful of the 3 game companies? That's just crazy. /s For the kiddies: This is business, not high school. This is what businesses do. Improve on other people's ideas to steal market share. Grow up.
that is not what people said when MS made avatars and NXE
You can do a top spin in Wii Sports. Besides the biggest thing that people are missing is that" THE WII DOESN'T HAVE ANY REPRESENTATION OF THE Z AXIS. THIS MEANS IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM CAN THE WII DETECT DISTANCE OR DEPTH.
So what if some people said the same about Microsoft? Was I one? Were you one? The fact of the matter is; this is just business. It’s all about cash. Is a business supposed to beg off of liberally borrowing off of someone else’s idea because that would be “uncool” or because that would be “biting their style”? If that was the case we’d all be listening to sony walkmans instead of ipods. Wake up man. As much as everyone would like to think that some faceless, soulless corporation is their closest buddy & pal, the truth is that Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft are competing for your dollars, not for the chance to hold your hand & share a milkshake. They expect to be paid for services rendered, i.e. entertaining us. There are no feelings involved save for the butthurt reactions of fanboys on either side of the debate. The corporations didn’t create the console war, infantile fanboys did.
Why all this talk of perfecting or even stealing other peoples ideas when clearly jusging by the youtube videos from 5 years ago Sony have had this tech lying around long before Wii ever saw the light of day. It's opportunism rather than stealing I think. It isn't that the device alone is aiming to cash in on the Wii crowd it's the fact they did't release it 5 years ago that leads to the accusation. And all this talk of copying Wii sports, You can't copy a sport!!!
1st pic looks to me some real human figures 2nd pic looks like some dolls with unconnected body parts and a floating fan LOL!
Sony just took the same kind of technology and improved on it. Companies do it all the time. Surely you don't accuse ever company that makes a similar cellphone, television, DVD player or MP3 after another company of ripping it of do you?