The release of the highly-anticipated Gran Turismo 5 on PS3 could be pushed back as far as late 2008 says director Kaunori Yamauchi, who wants the game to be absolutely perfect before it's released.
*EDIT* Wow... you guys took my post wayyyy too literally. My apologies. Of course the PS3 will be around that long, I honestly feel bad for PS3 owners because of how long they've waited for a bunch of quality titles. That being said, on 360 we only have a COUPLE solid exclusives... we're not drowning in them by any means.
I think it's funny that I made one small, sarcastic comment and it lead to (8) disagrees and a thread of console sparring.
Hell, if Blue Ray officially wins the HD race and HDDVD's are eliminated... I'll have a PS3 the next day. And GT5 sometime in 2011 when it's released... for PS4.
Oh come on. I'm not the biggest Sony fan in the world, and yet to own a PS3, but we all know the PS3 will be around next year, and I'm guessing by then doing quite well.
It seems a lot of games are getting put back to 2008 though. MGS4, FF13?, and now this!
Delays are not good. I know they shouldn't rush games out to the stores, but Sony need to start getting extra staff in or something and get these games completed a little earlier so that the consoles start selling in the region that the Wii is at the moment.
LOL you dont mess with sony with GT fans around.
Actually MGS4 is still 2007 and FFXIII has been scheduled for 2008 since the launch of the PS3... so there aren't any delays there. However, a lot of their 06 titles were pushed into 07 and some of the 07 titles have seen pushes of a couple of weeks or more. I'm sure there will be a more solid idea of which games come out when after E3. But for now it appears that most of the major games are staying on schedule... I wouldn't put it past them to give us more delays but games releasing around the holiday are under more pressure to release on time b/c their profits decrease significantly otherwise.
I lost my bubbles for posting a stupid comment about Mass Effect jumping to PS3, I meant to joke, yeah it was stupid but people thought I was serious
"Hell, if Blue Ray officially wins the HD race and HDDVD's are eliminated... I'll have a PS3 the next day."
agreed. but until Universal gives up, it isn't over which sucks for consumers
This game was know to come out somtime in 2008, with all the detail going in the cars, it was common knowledge
No. It was expected to arrive @ Spring 2008, not Christmas 2008.
But it will be worth the wait.
Every ferrari from the past 60 years (confirmed by Jeux video)
NO damage. (shame)
Most realistic physics ever (Edit: thats my opinion, i could be very wrong)
In car view
Rumours about Koenigsegg being in the game.
Real sense of speed (video showing Le sarthe on Jeux video)
That makes me happy, i'm playing forza 2 at the moment and that is great, could GT5 be better.... Wait and see people.
I think it will be awesome and look better than Forza 2, but I doubt it will have as good physics.
GT5 does indeed have damage.
edit nvm just read the no damage part :/
Forza calculates damage and physics at 60 FPS 360 times a second, versus no damage and physics at a lower rate. Someone needs to drop the crackpipe. Will it look prettier? I am sure, all arcade racers so far have: Motorstorm, Dirt, ect.
Another fanboy, how old are you kid??? 16? Drive a car and find out what GAME comes close. Not forza 2. Forza 2 is a semi realistic game. GT4 and GTHD and GT5 are pure hardcore sims... I'm playing forza 2 at the moment with the MS wheel. Let me give you some facts.
1. Why is it so easy to control snap understeer in FM2, the cars move too slowely. That doesnt happen with a real car. When drifting with a real car snap understeer will accour if counter steer is too hard and too early into a corner (bad driving) In forza 2 i can control Understeer with a slow movement of the wheel, NOT REALISTIC. In GT4 Understeer was very hard to control, you need to know where to have your wheels straight coming out of a corner. REALISTIC (i use the G25) It took me 4 weeks of practice to clean the nurburgring on GT4, it took me a day on forza 2. On forza 2 i turn all aids off and the cars still feel too stable, On GT4 i turn all aids off and its bloody monster. (most cars). Forza is no hardcore sim, ask any real race driver.
Hhhmmm i have a funny feeling that Gt5 will be competing agianst forza 3.
september 2008, its a shame. But it tells you they are putting so much effort into the game.
It's well and good that they claim to be working so hard, but for example they're still not putting in damage. Forza has damage and Forza has licenses most of GT's same manufacturers and cars, so the argument that manufacturers won't allow damage is problematic at best.
Until the GT team prove they can fix the worst issues with the series, it's hard to take the "want it to be perfect" bit so seriously.
Anyone wanna take bets that the AI, which people have been complaining about since GT1, is still going to suck?
thats aimed at any idiots who took the p1ss out of the apparent mass effect delay
What does Mass Effect have to do with this?Has was it push back?When it suppose to come out in 2008 anyway?Was there a solid date? No there was not
The whole "car makers don't want to see their cars trashed" thing worked with GT3 but, now we're seeing games like Forza do it. Maybe it's because it's too much work:( It's a shame!
GT5 has many more cars, and they have to get mroe permissions form the Car makers.Thats really tedious,
Yes, GT5 has tons more cars. Like 50 different Evos, 45 different Skylines, 37 different Imprezas... oh, and a Model T that you can't race nor can you buy any parts whatsoever for.
Now- Is GT going to have Lamborghini?
That's still no excuse. Anything related to making a game can be tedious. Car damage should be standard by now. I do think, however, that the car manufacturers have a say in the matter. In Forza 2's case, the lack of cosmetic damage most likely has to do with the manufacturers say. And notice how in both Forza and GT, cars won't roll. It's a shame, but nobody seems to want to give a player the "misconception" that a car can flip over to a certain degree.
Sorry for the Sony pic, before i had a chance to change it the story got approved.
Im dissapointed about the damage news. Having played Forza2, you require an extra element of concentration when playing as not to total your car. Who know this maybe bullsh!t of course. If Forza can do it then why not GT? If no visible damage occurs then i would still like "feel" as though your car has been damaged, be it in speed, loss of stearing, transmission probs, stuck gears etc etc.
They are just working on improving the product. But Sony's PS3 does need some killer games right now.
Thats what they should be focusing right now. The seem to be focusing on the future. Give attention to now like 50% and the Future 50%. It look more like 85% future and 15% nowadays. They should make ps3 users feel like they have purchased something worthwhiled..but lets be real we havn't had much love from them lately (game wise though). But lets not fuss to much..there are still months ahead.
Time will tell if the wait is going to pay off. I agree 100% why bicker over nothing we can actually control.
im fine with the delay.
Gran Turismo needs to be miles better than Forza so delaying helps.
By the time GT5 finally releases, PS3 probably be successful then.
@THAMMER1: read my comment properly, i said "needs" and "probably". I didnt say " will be" or "forza will be doomed"
Sorry miss read your post. good day
interesting we may never be able to compare Forza-PGR and GT in terms of Graphics, I am sure Forza 3 and PGR 5 are coming the very next year, as for gameplay that is a very different matter
A GT5 release sooner would go a long way in helping PS3 sales. Grand Turismo is one of Sony's premier franchises, and deservedly so. A late 2008 release will be too late. How much more waiting can PS3 gamers---and the general gaming public handle?
As stated by others, Sony NEEDS its big titles NOW!
I hope E3 brings some positive news for Sony 'gearheads.'
I have been hanging on to hear about a good sports or racing game that is out or coming out soon before I invest in a PS3. I have played forza motorsport 2 and it's a pretty sweet game. With the news that it is going to be pushed back (most likely), and that it won't even have damage, which is well done (and the innovative driving line to make the game accessible to all players in FM2) then I am rethinking my purchase. PLEASE SONY DO SOMETHING TO MAKE ME CHANGE MY MIND!
This is not bad news for me. It's good to have awesome titles in the pipeline at all time. This fall is awesome. In the spring we know Metal Gear and Final Fantasy is coming. Fall 2008 gotta have some blockbusters as well.
These big titles takes so long to make. Would make no sense releasing them all to close to each other.
to tell you the truth i was only expecting a jap release this year with it coming to the states next summer but this could mean that by laye next year Japan gets it and US gets in summer 2009... that would greatly suck for us.. in all honesty i dont want them pulling at GT4 moble on us like they did with the PSP... in all honesty they better get that thing out this year for japan or if not give us a worldwide release late next year. oh well good things happen to those who wait. if all there second gen title are so high profile then christmas 08 will be even bigger than this year..especially if resistance 2 comes to release, i'm certain that ted price and his team is working on restsance 2 in pre production phase right now.
Remember "Patience is Virtue".
delay? this game had never a release data. lol. dumb idiots.
I agree bro, and as a Gran Turismo fanatic slash enthusiast since the the original, I've learned to be very patient with this series.
and i see not much has changed you sony kids are still waiting and waiting and waiting for games and of course doing your daily reposts of the same 360 failure news and yet the 360 is crushing the poo-ray3 when it comes to gaming, like I said I could send it back 10x in one yr and still enjoy more gaming than if I owned 1 working poo-ray3 all yr. ha, ha this guy is so full of it, car makers don't want to see their cars damaged, how long these fony guys are going to keep using the same lame excuse's= talk about lazy dev's it looks like sonys in house devs are the laziest ones of the whole bunch, with all the delays and excusese why resistance didn't look as good as gears= I'll tell you why because the poo-ray player has a weak @ss GPU thats why, now they think kz is going to look like the CG, ha, ha I can't wait for that pos to drop, the 1st one sucked and now sony kids think this one is gods gift. I just dont understand how sony kids believe that old outdated GPU is going to ever deliver. Thats like saying a old 2005 PC can run Crysis, we sure if you rebuild it with a new $500 DX10 capable graphics card, otherwise you are out of luck just like the poo-ray3 player.= No Cell made for folding or firmware update in the world is going to change the fact that it has a pos GPU, sorry sony kids= once again:
in my opinion is that the PS3 risks the chance of becoming old hat before it ever really has chance to shine, Xbox-360 has been out since 2005, if GT5 takes until 2008-2009 Xbox 360 will have been out nearly 5yrs, the Xbox-360 will do just fine for the coming years and I see a 2010-2011 release of the next Xbox with all the bells and whistles, Sony is going to need to make a move soon or it is really going to struggle; blu-ray and HDDVD will be the norm so the PS3 is running out of reasons why it should be the console of choice.
I really don't care if GT has 1%, 5% or 10% more realistic physics than any other racing games if it means that I can bounce off barriers, or be rammed by opposition for no penalty. If GT wants to call itself the 'Real Driving Simulator' they need to address this.
I'm pretty sure that the lack of damage was put down to Yamauchi's quest for perfection, and how modeling damage perfectly was either impossible to do with in the timeframe, budget and/or hardware limitations. (I would look for a link but I'm at work, although I'm sure I read it in an interview).
I'd rather see Polyphony cut some of the cars and get the game out quicker. Who really needs 50 Evo variants? Most people will use a pretty small number of cars during the game, so it seems utterly pointless to model so many... a couple of Evo's, a couple of Impreza and so on. Gimme unique cars rather than variants. If they are going for a late 2008 release I hope it's because they are adding more TRACKS not polygons to cars or improving physics by such intangible amounts that only professional racing drivers would be able to notice.
Fanboy bait:... Or maybe the push back is because Yamauchi has sat down with Forza 2 and realised how many features GT5 lacks. :P j/k
Folks I have seen and played Forza 2 and that "damage" is pathetic, scrapes and bent hood isn't the kind of damage that excites me, you want damage play Burnout.(Don't believe me look at my gamertag in my profile) I have friend that plays it.
These are racing sims not "be the most realistic in damage" racing sims because no one would play them.
"Delaying" the game is perfectly fine because they NEVER promised it this year or even close to the beginning of next.
Wow play the game. Damage is awesome in it, try it sometime.
SONY is the king of the lies. Come on, auto makers dont want their cars damaged?, STOP THIS BOOOA$#!+ SONY, DAMN! Just say, hay we dont want to work hard so we'll tell you we're working hard at nothing because we have nothing new to show, so we'll tell you another crap story!
SONY is F.O.S & GT without car damage is going to be an old P.O.S. that you suckers are going to buy.
These lies worked last gen, they won't work this gen.
...this was a statement by Sony, otherwise you'd look like a complete idiot!
what did sony lie about last gen and this gen?
every company has a posistive out look.
The 360 would be reliable,
that Oblivion, DeadRising and a bunch more would be launch titles.
That they would focus more on Japan.
there will be NO game droughts.
Hmdi is not needed.
Bluray is not needed.
you`ll be fine with the Core.
we will be bringing out interactive software for the vision cam.
Wifi is not needed.
The Elite, sorry everybody else for beleiving us.
and lots and lots more.
"theres nothing wrong w/ these systems, its your fault"
thats the worst lie of all.
Sony has always looked ahead, don`t be mad at them for that.
those are not lies, MS has pulled the biggest lie of all.
Last gen: "ps2's Emotion engine will be able to pull off Toy Story-like graphics"
This gen: Almost everything they promised at last years E3. "Ps3 launch games will blow xbox360 2nd gen games away".
"The killzone trailer is gameplay"
And there are many,many more lies they used.
EDIT 20: I never said Microsoft didn't lie, you denied that Sony lied.
Hdmi is not needed for 1080p games only for movie playback. that's it. They built the elite just for that, for consumers who want it. Makes more sense don't you think. build what the consumer wants, not what you think they are going to need. I rather be asked if i want this included than to buy something with a whole lot of bells and whistles that i can't even utilize. That also affects cost. The more bells and whistles you put in, the bigger the asking price.
If i wanted something give me the option of buying later. To me Xbox made the smarter choice. if i want hdmi buy the one thats equipped with it. if i want hd-dvd, buy the player, if i want a harddrive.... you get where i'm going with this right? That way i can get into gaming at the lower price, and then increase my multimedia capabilities when my funds recover. To me that sounds a lil bit smarter. Don't you think. Not tryin to bash Sony, but that was a big askin price for gaming. I understand that you get a lot for your money, because you do, but seriously, a lot of the features incorporated into the ps3 i do not need. and right now Hd-dvd is more feature packed than blu-ray. When they start having the features Hd-dvd has then blu-ray will start to look more appealing.
Just take a look at how long we've been waiting on Gran Turismo on the PSP...
If they're going to take that kind of time on the game, I for one would like to see damage in the game.
However, Polyphony Digital has a track record of taking a VERY long time to release their games.
Sony has already said they'd give the GT studio as much as time as they want. If's sony's biggest franchise wants more time to make the game they envision then sony should let them do what they want. Every full granturismo game has sold more than 8 million (tops out at 13 million to be exact), yes this can move tons of ps3s but it's quality that's more important
and this is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watc... better video: http://www.kikizo.com/viewe...
great pictures and video.and what happened?we NEVER saw ANY microsoft racing game with this damage.pgr3 doesn't have it.forza 1 and forza 2 don't have it.and pgr4 WILL NOT HAVE IT.but this was XNA.the great tools for next gen development.on xbox 1.that is still not realized on xbox 360.
but this is crashing realism.not some cheesy,fake texture change that dates back to old need for speed games.just because it's there doesn't mean it's all that great.but i will say this,GT5 will still outsell forza 1 and forza 2 COMBINED.now that's REALISM.
and since no one has played GT5,how can you say what the physics will be like if you never played the game?or base it on the GTHD download.which is based on GT4.
fools.or should i say fan fools.when any xbox racing game sells 45 million as a series like the GT series,LET ME KNOW.or when ALL MICROSOFT MADE racing games COMBINED sell 45 million,LET ME KNOW.
EDIT:tudors.not to bust your bubble,but i said MICROSOFT MADE.i know full well what criterion is capable of.too bad EA owns them now.but microsoft pushed XNA,not criterion.and we have not seen it in any microsoft racing game.
Gran Turismo FIVE(5)
Forza Motorsport TWO(2)
GT has been around FAR longer than Forza, so i guess it's pretty obvious GT would outsell Forza despite game magazines and websites saying Forza is the greatest driving simulator ever made.
You see kids, this is why it's important to stay in school. You don't want retards like 4D Shadow roaming the streets now do we?
4d shadow, there have been i think 5 GTs, and two Forza, of course it wouldn't of sold as much, but other news, its not out of the ordinary for games to be delayed, i've hardly ever seen a game not get delayed at least once
you sony kids are getting more and more pathetic, the poo-ray3 player continues to delay giving you guys these amazing can't be done on any other console games that were suppose to blow the competition away, sony keeps UNderdelivering and you kids keep DElivering the same old tired lines, "its OK they just need more time", hell if sony in house dev's delay games any longer they might as well save 'em for the poo-ray-less4 with the same controller of course, ha ha sony is bordering on pathetic now, and its not just this delay, its their attitude like everything is OK, I got an idea how about giving your own dev's a kick in the @ss and tell them to stop writing so many blogs to suck up to fanboys who really don't care about games they just think the PS logo is some kind of status symbol(12 yrs olds) and just start working hard on their damm games. oh no but they won't do that, why would they the PS2 was a success so of course everybody going to run out an get a poo-ray3 even if we don't have no games. Micro is making an honest effort to deliver games while all I hear from sony camp these days is wild rumors and speculation which more often than not turns out to be a load of BS, just another random story posted by some fanboy to keep the faithful calm, its almost too easy, no games so lets grab a rumor from some forum and bam! no need to worry my flock, no games no problems, cause we have a rumor about some game we haven't seen in over 2 yrs. lmfao Well Ken so far that plan didn't work on the rest of us who don't have a PS logo tattooed on our forehead, which is why he's in some strip joint in Tokyo throwing darts at a picture of Old Bill, oh well thats life but in the meantime somebody better tell sony that banking on the PS2 aint gonna cut it. damm, and sony kids keep pretending like poo-rays storage space is a huge advantage, now just imagine if the devs ever do try to use 30, 40, 50gigs of space to actual make these huge games sony kids say then how long will it take to actually make it 4, 5 yrs in development and how much money will that cost, it aint gonna happen sony kids, any game that uses that much space will be nothing more than fillers and useless extra garbage just to say "hey its 50 gigs", all you got to do is look at the games out so far, nothing better but hey its 15 gigs. lmfao sony kids:
poo-ray, are you a child. I bet your balls havent dropped yet.
what's your excuses for forza 1 not selling even 2 million to 24 million xbox 1 owners?
no excuses there huh?
yeah,stay in school fanboys.you'll need it to realize one game in all its iterations,sold BETTER.because not one microsoft racing game has sold more than GT1 for ps1.
first company to sell 100 million consoles ever.
turned around and did it TWICE(115 million and STILL going with ps2).while microsoft abandoned the xbox at 24 million.
captured a piece of the nintendo controlled portable market with psp at 25+ million.where all other portables have failed.
created a lot of hits internally.and innovated with cd,dvd,bluray,eyetoy,motion control,dual shock,etc.
i call that UNDERpromising and OVERdelivering.let me know when microsoft delivers like that.or a system that works properly.
Every few months a new delay..before long we'll be at Jan 1 2009.
GT5 use to be a Jan 1 2008...
By the time GT5 comes out FM3 will be about out.
"23 - see these pictures?these are microsoft lies about next gen car crashing on xbox1.
and this is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
better video: http://www.kikizo.com/viewe...
Burnout comes close in my opinion.
Ok people I know this is disapointing becuase i owned alll the Gt games but in fall we will all blowing out money on great games like ratchet and clank, socom, lair, heavenly sword, Gta Iv, Guitar hero III, and soo on. (So Retard Jokesonyou who has no idea what hes talking about, sony will have great games and overcome the xsuck because all they have is halo3 for 07) we need those later games so we dont get bored like all 2008. But i still cant wait for it lol - xRiotmanx E3 8 days
Just get it right Sony...just get it right!
its all good there are LOTS of games between now and then.
he`s a perfectionist.
So technically this is a good thing.
think about it.
Ah great, at the end of 2008 Forza 3 will be here.
GT5 will still be trying to get the driving feeling right (GT4 HD is looking good, but drives like a biaaaatch) and Forza 3 will enhance Forza 2's perfect driving and get the graphics done also.
Thanks Sony for letting stuff delayed! PS3 is making itself non competition this way
I thought to let you all know, seems like Sony fandroids are so eager to let their console not die they now already start to PM their sh!tty 'posts' all around.
Anyone more that received it? Doesn't have much use though, because I delete Sony crybaby's instantly without reading. But this might interest some of you...
1 hour ago | By: CrazzyMan
if i write this, i will lose my bubbles =)) (already wrote once and lost one)
March 2007 vs. April 2007 vs. May 2007
Wii: 259,000 vs. 360,000 vs. 338,000
PlayStation 3: 130,000 vs. 82,000 vs. 81,600 - steady.
Xbox 360: 199,000 vs. 174,000 vs. 155,000 - going up?
PRICE: 600$ VS 400$.
In Japan average - 2-3k x360 vs 9-10k ps3.
PRICE: ?67,780 VS 38,200
In Europe - 22k x360 vs 21k ps3.
http://vgchartz.com/eweekly... PRICE: ps3 still cost 600 euro, while x360 only 350.
PS3 is doomed only in x360 fans brains.
PS3 has no interesting games only for x360 fans.
2 weeks left till E3, 2 month left till GREAT games are released.
Europe Gets Sony Release Dates
Singstar Next Gen: 8 - 22
Warhawk: 8 -29
Heavenly Sword: 9 - 12
Lair: 9 -26
Folklore: 10 -10
Eye of Judgment: 10 - 24
Ratchet & Clank: 11 - 7
Time Crisis 4 & GunCon 3: 11 -18
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue: 11 - 21
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune: 11 - 28
AND THIS IS ONLY SONY RELEASED GAMES. :)
Also we shouldn`t forget NGS in next week. :)
I see a bright future for PS3, if someone don`t see or disagree, i would love to hear some not fanboyish arguments or facts. =) "
I disagree. Not once has the Wii or 360 this gen sold under 100k in USA/North America. The 360 not ONCE in 1.5 year. Average the 360 sold between 200k and 300k a month since launch 1.5 year ago. The last number you showed for 360, 155.000 are USA only, not canada included.
By the way, Japan is a bummer for PS3 also. And Europe... SOny fandroids always said it is Playstation country. Why is the 360 then selling more 1.5 year after launch and the PS3 already sells less within 3 months after launch???
BTW the week before the numbers you gave were:
360 sold 29k
PS3 sold 18k
You are just trying to twist the negative, to get a positive spiral. But it's still a negative spiral for Sony, sorry dude.
World wide sales:
PS3 sells 200k
360 sells 400k
@ GReddy-racer (below)
Dude, Forza 2 is at least the best sim around compared to GT4 (no damage etc.) also in tuning etc. I've been playing it also, even with MS FF wheel but nothing comes close. GT4 hit a wall with 200 km p/u and no damage? That sounds like arcade, no sim
Forza 3 at the end of 2008? Yeah, why not? That's more then 1.5 year. Forza 2 will be the thing to take off. It can be done in that time. PGR3 and PGR4 also have about 1.5 year (if PGR4 comes in september as stated before) or 2 year in between (if it comes @ Christmas)
I dont care about your numbers or so called facts. I own a 360 and it has huge problems. Dont get me wrong it has great software. But hardware? are you forgetting about that. You make the 360 sound like it is the most sucessful console of all time. It isnt. And going on about Forza 3???? WHY. If you think Forza 3 will be out next year your on Acid. GT5 will come out and it will be sucessful just like GT3 and GT4.... Forza 2 is not a full sim. I am not going to tell you why. But i can say ive been driving for 10 years and the only 2 games that come close are Live for speed (pc) and gran turismo 4 (ps2). I'm playing forza 2 right now!! with the MS wheel but its no sim. Get that into your head mate.
We just played Forza (me and 3 car guys) I wanted their opinions on the game versus real-life. For background we just pulled the engine out of a 11 second (natural aspiration) 91 mustang (all engine, 3 inch Long Tube headers, Racing injection, ignition, ect) because we were losing compression and having leakage. After we finished I hooked up the 360 with Force Feedback wheel and showed the tuning and upgrade options, and let them role around the track. The game is a sim, with realistic damage and performance degradation! That was the consensus. Sorry go play GT and win with a car that doesn't touch asphalt and can win a race. Have fun and bury your head a little deeper in the sand.
Ok, I see people here saying that by the time GT5, forza 3 will be out. I'm sorry but I don't see any problems there. GT is in its fifth iteration and Forza 3 is in its third. That's all I see there. Its not like Forza 10 will be out and GT is still stuck in its fifth when its series came out earlier because of their delays. So I say, bring on Forza 3. As for the topic, its not really bad for me because when I buy a game, I make sure I play it for weeks or even months. By the time GT5 comes out, I probably played enough MGS4 online (if it releases on March) and KZ2 online (considering its a great game)that I'll be ready to devote my time to GT5. I think this really affects people who has a lot of time and money for video games (I know I don't)and wants brand new games to play every 2 weeks.
GT is said to be real driving simulator but
GT5 will be perfect driving simulator.
well hopes are very high.:)
Loudninja here, I mean we did know that this was coming out in 2008 didn't we so what's the big "newsworthy" deal? I can understand martin saying that yes but "spring 2008" too because that's also what we were thinking. But if there was ever an unpredictable industry it would have to be video games ~ it seems to happen naturally as it were.
In Kaz's defense I have to say that this guy truly understands "perfection" and will turn out a game for the masses and the ages. Get reatdy everyone......get your popcorn ready and wait for the show. Oh yeah, I know this is WAITING.lol, but for this game.... I'm a sucker for patience. =]
GT5 will be better than any FORZA game, i've played FORZA i n 2 and GT4 kill both.
That may be your opinion and here is mine. Forza 2 blows GT4 outta the water and I really loved GT4. GT is not even close to being realistic, you couldnt even really call it a sim. its more like a very detailed arcade racer, which is cool, but it isnt nearly as mind blowing as the level of detail they got into with forza. Sorry.