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NextGN: Natal is Fatal for the Xbox 360

NextGN writes: "All my excitement and anticipation for Microsoft's Xbox 360 motion controller, Natal, is snuffed out. I remember watching E3 last year and feeling slightly embarrassed for Sony when they unveiled their motion controlling prototype - Natal seemed to have it all, their live demonstration was amazing. I was definitely planning on being one of the first to adopt the device into my living room. Unfortunately, Microsoft screwed the pooch, again."

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Evil Industry2817d ago

It could have been epic... it could have been.

lovestospoodge2817d ago

Am I the only one who feels like tons of Xbox fanboys boasting over how great Natal will be have no intention of ever getting it?

Shang-Long2817d ago

Umm does this mean natal is gonna be alot of casual stuff.?

Mr_Bun2817d ago

I haven't seen any video to suggest otherwise, unfortunately

Ravage272817d ago

no you're not :p
Motion control is still viewed as a gimmick to most hardcore gamers and it's going to be difficult to change that perspective anytime soon.

I'll be lying if i say i'll buy Arc day one...unless of course they announce that it will be utilized in Demon's Souls 2...

Syronicus2817d ago

Much like the Xbox 360 itself, they are going to ship it at the lowest possible cost using the most inexpensive means of hardware. It might give you the impression that it is a great product at first but it will not be more than the PS Eye-Toy when it is all said and done.

Raf1k12817d ago

It was obvious from the start that Natal was aimed at the casual market.

It can still be integrated into mainstream games though. I still think games like Mass Effect could benefit from it even with the removal of the processor if it was used at points in the game where the processor isn't being used much (i.e. interaction with NPCs).

jamesgtaiv2817d ago (Edited 2817d ago )

Microsoft has announced a shovel that connects to your xbox 360 via usb.

Dont even get me started on the arc. It has fail printed in the name. Lets hope they both fail. Miserably. Sony and MS are becoming focused on stealing another consoles fan-base. I dont want the real gamers being forgotten about. This is crap. Get out of your house and go for a walk if youre so hell bent on exercize. Maybe try a little critical thinking while youre out. Companies should provide for their current fan base before tackling users they are not certain to get.

Danteh2817d ago (Edited 2817d ago )

Natal is going to flop hard in my opinion... I just don't see it going anywhere since:

1) Hardcore gamers probably won't buy it for the same reason they don't want a wii: it's easier to just stay in the sofa pressing some buttons instead of moving around retardedly. Also massive shovelware

2) Casual gamers, which are the objective, probably will think that with a Wii it's enough... at the beggining they may be curious but.., heh

On the other hand, I think Sony's wand wont flop for 1 reason: retrocompatibility with current PS3 games

Yeah, it's like a wii remote, and nobody would buy it for the reasons said before, BUT if I can play Killzone 2 and LBP with 1:1 accuracy and maybe play a new RPG with swords and bows in full HD, I'm sold.

King_of _the_Casuals2817d ago (Edited 2817d ago )

This guy bases his whole argument on speculation. He nor anybody outside of MicroSoft have played with the finalized version of Natal. How the heck does he know what the performance is gonna be like???

But I trust successful professionals a little more then this guy. And EVERYONE who has played with Natal seems overly excited. This guy doesn't even understand the economics of having a successful product!

If MS was to keep the processor on the Natal, the price would go up, the potential market would shrink and Natal would fail!!! That is why they have to keep Natal price effectively low. This way, they will sell more and more developers will develop more games for it; because there will be a better chance to make a profit!!

NATAL....CAN'T WAIT!!! =)

beans2817d ago

This is nothing more than FUD! Tired of reading biased crap with nothing to back it up with other than giving an opinion. Rather then enjoying the taste of Sony's fishstick in your mouth why don't you take it out and type something worth reading other then hate and jealousy! Natal hype is about to flood the market while the Arc try's to stay a float until it sinks at E3!

bnaked2817d ago

I think Natal is totally great. But not for games..

Bigpappy2817d ago

This guy is a fanboy with a website. His predictions are baseless and his fears unwarranted. Has any one ever stop to think that maybe Natal's internal processor was too slow? That maybe using the 10 % 360 processing power actually reduces the lag and save money at the same time? Of course not. Because the sky is falling. The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

I will wait until E3, then I'll have a look at the sky to see what every one is shouting about.

ALFAxD_CENTAURO2817d ago (Edited 2817d ago )

@Ravage27

ARC will be compatible with Killzone 3, means ARC is not even gonna be for Casuals at all, also for Hardcore gaming.

rockleex2816d ago (Edited 2816d ago )

Actually, their live demos were epic fail.

Need I remind you what the bottom of an Avatar's shoe looks like? How about the girl jumping and flailing her limbs around? The elephant?

The only reason why people were impressed was because of the pre-recorded video with the family in the living room, and Peter Molyneux over-hyping every little thing in Milo.

Even then, people were able to prove that the Milo interactions in the video was faked... especially during that water interaction segment.

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PeterPanParadox2817d ago

To be honest I always prefered Sony's arc. I like having a controller in my hand... gives you more control.

Anon19742817d ago (Edited 2817d ago )

But I had to admit, seeing the Arc demo I could see it being used in games I'd play. Natal always looked like it was going straight for the casuals with Milo, Paint Party, etc. I have no interest in party games and if that's their primary focus, forget about it. I'm sure I'm not the only 360 owner that isn't going to ditch his Gears of War for Paint Party anytime soon. Natal is money I could spend on a game I'd actually play.

I had a Wii. It was a bust for me. Couldn't stand using the Wii-mote. If Arc replaces button presses with waggle, you can count me out of that as well.

Time will tell, but I'm not holding my breath for either Natal or Arc.

Vegetom2817d ago (Edited 2817d ago )

I think we have to wait for this years E3 to tell if Natal is going to flop or amaze everyone. Some statements in this article like: "This means the Xbox’s processor has to handle all of Natal’s applications; this could take up to 40% or more of the Xbox’s total processing power — so you can forget about seeing any Natal functionality integrated into any of Microsoft’s biggest titles like Halo: Reach or Gears of War 3." aren't based on fact either.

Why would a lot of great devs already be working with Natal if it could only do some mini party games?

FiLTHY GAMER2817d ago

Yeah, E3 will reveal all... although I still think that quote has merit. There is still time to change, I hope. They should definitely release Natal with it's own processor.

Vegetom2817d ago (Edited 2817d ago )

Perhaps, but 40% of the total processing power lost? That's a quite a lot you know..
Where did they get that from anyway?

FiLTHY GAMER2817d ago

It is.. that's why I hope you are right and that his facts are wrong.. but then again, what Natal is a powerful peripheral, we'e all seen what it can do, so "up to 40%" just may be accurate. The Milo demo looked like it needed a lot of processing power, and then we've also seen the lag issues and what-not.

GiantEnemyCrab2817d ago

But again, you quote the article but who does the article quote?

Just 1 simple question: Who said %40? besides this article

kneon2817d ago

I thought the number was about 15% of total CPU, which equates to about 45% of one CPU. That's still too high for the top end games.

Plus there is the issue of lag. Yes I know that recent videos show the lag is no worse than Killzone 2. But people forget that all games have lag and that the game induced lag is directly related to the complexity of what is happening on the screen. So we are seeing Killzone type lag with a glorified break out game. The game related lag for such a game is minimal, probably 1 frame at 30fps, so most of what we are seeing is due to Natal. Try adding Natal to a graphics intensive game such as the next gears, halo etc. and the lag will be even greater.

Had they left the CPU in Natal then they probably could have achieved something around 2-3 frames lag at 30fps. It can't go below 1 frame as the camera is only going at 30fps and there is still processing to do once the frame is captured.

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Nathan Drake22817d ago

nobody wants x360.natal is not gonna change that.

VINNIEPAZ2817d ago

You're a sad little man aren't you?

Eddie201012817d ago

Most of the people praising Natal in the first place will never buy it or if they do, will not use it much if at all after the newness warez off. It is just an attempt at capturing the casual games market, Me personally think it has very little chance of doing that.

Something that looks kinda cool at first glance but in the end is not very practical for gaming.

ManiacMansion2817d ago

The only fatal thing are installs for a 25/50GB format and 600MB patches.

P.S. Iam a PS3 owner but YEAH, the installs and patches are fuken anoying.

dustgavin2817d ago

At least PS3 has a mandatory hard drive compared to arcade 360 owners having to purchase one separately. You think the 360 has no patches or installs? Sounds like you are reaching for straws with that comment.

"It looks like Microsoft is going backwards with Natal. You can expect to see a lot of pointless gimmicky games on Natal — it will be like an updated version of the PlayStation EyeToy. I was really hoping that Microsoft would invest in this peripheral because it could have been something great — but, once again, Microsoft have messed up."

Yep. Agreed.

mrv3212817d ago

Ironic isn't it, that for Natal to be backwards compatible you'd need a 8GB patch for games. LOL. Because they said the ONLY way Natal can work on disk based games you'd have to redesign the WHOLE game and have someone re-download the game from XBL. Nice.

Oh no installs... wasn't that the thing MS added because too many people got fed up with the jet in the room and the disk drive failures.

avengers19782817d ago

I've been saying this for some time, Natal will not bring new life to the 360.