Kevin Collins of Microsoft is the cheif evangelist of HD DVD, and here he talks about three things that, in combination, he says make HD DVD better than Blu-Ray...
Why would anyone buy HD stuff that give you 1080i.
Maybe because that's the resolution of most sets that do 1080.
Both of mine max out at 1080i. Gorgeous pictures on both.
Edit: I would also point out that broadcast HD is at 1080i or 720p. 1080p requires too much bandwidth. The HD standards were defined and set about 20 years ago.
and thats beside the fact that the diffrence between 1080i and 1080p is that 1080p does better with frame rates, but this is really mostly noticable on tv's larger then 40", and each are 1920x1080
Because 99% of all HDTV's/LCD's sold in Europe at least and those that are still sold are 720p/1080i ones.
I can buy a 720p 32 inch Samsung for about 650 Euro (new model), a 42 inch 1080p Samsung is about 1700 Euro. Now there you go. Most people still buy 720p
Stores like Wal-Mart and Target currently only sell 720p/1080i HD TV's.
lol who the hell wants to that with movies. I watch them then put them away and don't care about features.
HD-DVD wins ....... FINE !!
BR Wins ...... FINE !!
I really don't care anymore who wins and who doesn't. All I really want is for "The Industry" to just fricken pick one so I can start my HD movie collection.
"The Industry" says they are waiting for the consumers to decide and crown a winner, but most of us are holding off waiting for THEM to just pick one for christ sake !!
MS is pushing PiP like it's something special.
I for one like to watch a movie, best quality possible sound and picture.
PiP is just a nice feature, probably be a part of Blu-ray at some point too. No biggy, I hardly ever watch the bonus material anyway.
I agree, I don't care either. The only thing I would care about is that the extra content/deleted scenes are included in the movie watching.
But then again, extra content doesn't sell movies. Movies sell movies, i.e. the company with the most spades in thier deck.
If you are a videophile and you want the best features you go with hddvd. Cmon gimme a break why are Bluray PS3 fanboys always saying they dont want the features that their products lack. Why buy a movie if your going to watch it once and put it away. That is just plain stupid. At the end of the day the picture and sound is the same on both formats so what makes one better than the other? FEATURES! and HDDVD owns bluray in that regard. I for one only buy movies that have extra features if i am not interested in that then I rent it. These formats are going to be adopted primarily by movie buffs. Think about it.
Videophiles won't go with HD-DVD because BR has better quality.
Video and audiophile communities go with the best quality and generally don't give a damn about on-line bonus features or the price of equipment/content.
you are wrong, HD DVD and Blu-Ray have the same Quality but.... on earlier releases Blu-ray was actually inferior and now has caught up! check it out! The DVD forum had the standardization sorted from HD DVD's release but the same can not be said for Blu-ray, I wonder how many earlier Blu-ray stand alone adopters will be slightly annoyed to find their players will be obsolete when it comes to running Blu-Rays new interactive features maybe coming up soon whilst they play catch up to HD DVD. HD DVD actually is having the effect of making the Blu-ray companies improve their products. The competition is good from that aspect!
uh early blue ray players won't be obsolete Mr. I hateSony. That was just a rumor by some HD DVD people.
Old players won't be able to run some extra content i.e.
Internet connection or new video channels due to ...........THE player Can't get on the INTERNET because it lacks the ability to.
The same goes for HDDVD players as well...
Hd-dvd/blu ray players back then and now will play all thier format's movies!
Look!!! That is what I meant my obsolete, their was no standard set so early Blu-ray players do not support: ie internet connection and HD DVD players do and did when released. So if you want these extra features on Blu-ray and you have one of those old players...guess what! you shall have to buy a new player.
I do not even care about special features. I buy movies to watch the movie...and if I can get better picture quality from Blu-Ray I am going to watch Blu-Ray reguardless of its lack of all the bells and whistles.
And I don't know why people would automatically think I love Sony and the PS3 because I think this...I personally dislike the PS3 but I just think Blu-Ray is a better format...get over it people.
YOU DONT GET A BETTER PICTURE WTH BLU-RAY! In fact in many cases you get a worse one. go read up over at the avs forums.
so basically you would have to be a retard to buy the crappier version with no bells and whistles for the same price. are you saying you are a retard?
Blu ray is gonna win blockbuster already chose it people listen way better quality and you can watch it straight from your ps3 on my friends xbox you need that stupid conector for hd and its not realy as good as blu ray blu ray will win
i rent HD DVD via blockbuster online... blockbuster rents HD DVD's... i gussing sony paid them to make that statement saying they support blu-ray but it doesnt change the fact that they rent HD DVD's as well as netflix... so yeah you guys are dumb.
if you dont belive me go to blockbuster.com go to "collections" then select "HD DVD" and TADA! almost 250 HD DVD titles right there for you to rent.
It doesnt mean that its better though. HD-DVD is better.
Beta had more features, and was in general a better tech that VHS however what mattered in the end was which one the consumers bought not if it had more features or had more space in the end the winner is gonna be the one that is bought more regardless of everything else.
HD DVD & Blu-ray have the exact same picture & sound quality. They both use the same compression & sound codecs, they both use 1080p on the disc that is converted down (if you don't have 1080p your TV & player).
The difference is HD DVD has 2 video processors & network connectivity standard, Blu-ray does not. Blu-ray can hold 50 GB while HD DVD can hold 30 GB. This storage size difference is not that important because an entire HD movie can fit on 15 GB (Liar Liar for example). Look at Planet Earth, both the Blu-ray & HD DVD versions ship on 4 discs.
Having picture in picture is an awesome feature. I watched King Kong on HD DVD again, but this time I turned on picture in picture and it was an entire new experience. A great value for my money. '300' is awesome and I know I'll be watching it twice, once normally and once with PiP.
Get HD DVD, save $200 and get the better versions of '300' & 'Blood Diamond'. Then pickup the Matrix and pre-order Heroes Season 1. Lots of fun stuff happening over here!
If this tech was marketed right HD-DVD would slaughter BR.
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i love DVD!!!!! ...not HD-DVD jsut DVD =D
all MS needs to do is come out with a blu ray add on
just to show MS isnt married to their format
MS already said they would not have any problems using blu-ray in the future if thats going to be the standard format.
So Microsoft says they want both formats to fail, but still tries to advertise the one it's backing? Very intelligent. *Cough*
they are trying to make D/C take the reigns when it comes to distribution. Something where MS is one of the top competitors, the longer this format war goes on the more people look at other options for getting their hd media, such as their IPTV service, and streaming media off the a pc.
Blu-Ray hurry up and win simple fact of more storeage makes it a winner to me o yes and standard DVD still owns!!!!!
This must of been the secret weapon that HD-DVD has. it aint happening. tosh can drop the Prices on HD-DVD but BD will get its price cuts too, not to mention how they are making its players mandatory to have this uses by october. Everywhere electronics store I go, I only see a little corner for HD-DVD while Blu-ray not only has a little corner as well, but their players get demoed and marketed thru the store. this format war is going to be over when Universal goes neutral
Every time I visit Amazon.com, I see HD DVD sales above Blu-ray both in hardware and movies!
www.eproductwars.com/dvd is a good place where they take statistics bases on Amazon Sales all over the world, you should check it out, one of the only movies thats on top of bd movies was planet earth on HD-DVD, basically the only movie that sells, surprised? The Matrix can clearly take that spot since it Has those HD-DVD abilities also lol but yea you should check it out..
HD DVD had a bad first quarter and gave Blu-ray the lead, but since May, HD DVD has doubled their install base and Toshiba has captured over 70% of the stand alone player market and even that number is growing. Personally, I'd rather be the one with exploding sales and a huge market share then the format that is entirely dependent on the PS3, with a technology standard that isn’t even finished.
Many people believe that when the PS3 starts to get some new games, Blu-ray sales will take a dive.
Oh, and these numbers are for the UK only, look near the top. I'm talking about US only, were HD DVD is gaining market share quickly.
http://www.eproductwars.com... link on the top are High Def system sales for the US, Notice how their sales ranking from top to bottom, VG systems are on top of the stand alones, when it comes to stand alones HD-DVD players are doing better than BD stand alone players in the US, now, check this link
these are the High def movie top sellers in the US, Planet earth is on the top for HD-DVD, every thing else behind it is mostly BD and Less HD-DVD though, we dont know when this trend will continue, that movie was in the top spot since its release day
I don't know, the fact that 2 xbox 360 configurations are outselling PS3 and the 360 HD DVD add on is selling better than any stanalone Blu-ray player tells me that those who want high-def movies are buying the add on. The PS3 is high up there, but who knows what they are using it for. I have a PS3 and I use it for games only.
My BR player has a web connection. I love you PS3. C'mon Sony, give us PiP in Update 2.0. And dont say it cant be done. I remember a tech demo that showed the cell running 48 DVD quality streams playing on one screen. 6 cores were running 8 streams each, one core was dividing the big screen into 48 segments and distributing the streams to each one. The other core was unused.
Blu-ray Regulation Specs:
Profile 1.1 (mandatory November 2007)
What is typically referred to as "Profile 1.1" (but is more formally known as "Final Standard Profile") adds a secondary video decoder (typically used for picture in picture), secondary audio (typically used for interactive audio and commentary) and capability of supporting a minimum of 256 MB of local storage (for storing audio/video and title updates). Compliance with this profile will be mandatory for player models introduced to the market after October 31, 2007, but existing products will be unaffected. No players compliant with this profile have been announced or released.
Some profile 1.0 players may be upgradeable via firmware update to profile 1.1 if they have the appropriate hardware, but no manufacturer has announced any such upgrade. When software authored with interactive features dependent on Profile 1.1 hardware capabilities are played on profile 1.0 players some features may not be available or may offer limited capability. Profile 1.0 players will still be able to play the main feature of the disc, however.
Profile 2.0 (BD-Live)
Profile 2, also known as BD-Live, adds network connectivity to the list of mandatory functions and increases mandatory local storage capability to 1 GB. No players have been announced as compatible with this profile. Players of earlier profiles will still be able to play the main feature of the disc, however.
-Right now Profile 1.1(BD-J) is going to be required to be played back on all BD players by the fall and profile 2.0 (BD live) is optionally happening on some players including the PS3. Its a mistake by the BDA not to finalize these regulations before the Launch of Blu-Ray, but some People dont really care about these features, all they want is their players to play their movies in HD.
I dont really think that HD-DVD will win though, the movie industry just doesnt want their movies being cracked all the times by hackers, Im not saying that blu-ray doesnt have this issue cause they do also, but their security features are being strengthened right now by BD+. Companies like Fox were waiting for BD+ to go live to distribute their movies, which they are soon like this is now in effect on all blu-ray movies that have this encryption software.
also if it werent for the PS3, blu-ray wouldnt be were it is now, which makes Video game systems a big difference when its involved in format wars, look at the numbers, Number of stand alone HD-DVD players Vs. the Number of stand alone BD players and PS3s. BD kills HD-DVD when it comes to these numbers.
how about the 360 how does it play in all this, their number one accesory thats a big seller for the 360 is the HD-DVD player, and those numbers are pretty low. it just shows you if these systems (Like the PS3) where embedded with a high def player, BD would of been blown out of the water.
So what this says is that the blu-ray spec isn't even done yet and it won't be done until November? How embarrassing!
What about those that bought a blu-ray player before then? I know PS3 is upgradable, but what about those that paid a much as $1000 for a standalone unit? They just got ripped off!
I don’t know why anyone would be loyal to Sony, they charge you twice as much for an uncompleted Blu-ray format! I have a new term: “Sony Suckers = Those who pay twice as much for a product that isn’t even finished!”
Whats so embarrassing? Upgrading firmware is part of the game nowadays. I'm glad they're constantly making improvements. It's not like you had to buy a completely new machine cos someone finally realised people want a bigger HD and HDMI. And it would be nice if it came in black too.
Bottom line is MS are babies when it comes to loosing.
If MS knew that HD DVD would be the deffinative format they would have put a drive in as standard in the 360 Elite. Obviously they knew that Blu Ray would be the victor but it doesnt stop them from moaning about it.
Waa Waa, but we allways win at everything, Waa Waa. - not this time
I remember this quote...
"Microsoft has nothing to do with HD-DVD". Pffft...nothing my ass
The quality on both is exactly the same. Now repeat after me. The quality on both is exactly the same.
Any idiot claiming that the quality on one is better than the other one is lying......
In fact - if you copy the digital file of a very small HD movie on a CD, DVD, HD-DVD or BR, it will be exactly the same. Not possible to have different quality. The format does not determine the quality.They use the same codecs... and the uncompressed files are the best.
The only difference is the transfer rate, the storage space. That is it. Some playback devices that use the formats may give different quality, but that is a function of the other components, not the drive and not the format. Get this in your thick skulls.
And the bells and whistles - it is a bit of software garnished around it. You can get the same on a DVD - and that is fact.
"Toshiba and Microsoft remind us of what HD DVD can do "
how about getting more exclusive support?
I know I would be pissed if I bought an HD-DVD player or an addon for the 360 and a bunch of HD-DVD movies only to find out they lost the war. On the other hand it would be pretty cool to own a Betamax player today. Hmmm maybe I´ll buy an HD-DVD player just to tell stories to my kids in 10 years like "once apon a time there used to be two formats, not just Blu-Ray"...
I'd be pissed if I bought a PS3 / Blu-ray player and found out the better versions are on HD DVD (300, Blood Diamond). Then I learn the Blu-ray spec isn't even done yet! I would feel like a sucker. Thankfully, I bought a HD DVD player for $300 less and I'm getting the best versions of these movies.
So you actually believe in HD-DVD? Do you think there will be 2 formats in the future? It doesn´t really matter if what you say is true Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD with how much now, 7-1? There can only be one "winner" and will it be the format selling less? You´re angry cause you bought an HD-DVD player, I understand, it´s not exactly money in the bank.
1080i cheap players is a bit like dvd verus hd dvd some customers will get screwed as the budget player is last gen already
1080p only should be sold as this adds to the confusion even more
blu ray for me theres so much content out there and the best is yet to come
You obviously know nothing about AV equipment. 1080p TVs display the same signal at 1080i as they do at 1080p. They receive 60 1080i frames and assemble them or they receive 30 1080p frames and don’t. Obviously 1080p is less work for the TV, but the end picture looks the same (on most HDTVs).
Don't be fool by this article HDDVD just started doing these features and BR-J will do the same come this fall. Why pay $399 for an hddvd player when you can buy a PS3 for $499 and get 5 free BR movies. BR has the biggest selection of movies and it's supported by blockbuster meaning I order online and then I can go exchange them at the store where as HDDVD you won't be able to do that. Why backup a format that is losing the battle?
This fall? Maybe, maybe not. And why would a movie studio support these options when they know not all players can do them? This is a major embarrassment for the Blu-ray camp!
Get an HD DVD unit for $299, get 5 free movies and get a finished product, not an overpriced $500 / $600 unfinished Blu-ray player!
i keep hearing how blu-ray is the superior format when the real difference i see is that blu-ray has more storage. When comes to actually watching the movies the look and sound exactly the same both come 1080p. I personally don't care who wins this war just get it over with so we all can move on. It's just funny how all you sony fanboys love bash hd-dvd and praise blu-ray like it's so much better it's not. I'd rather get an HD-player cause 1 it's cheaper and you get the same quality. But the way things are going it doesn't look to good for hd for the simple reason that blu-ray has more support. blu-ray has more movies studios backing them exclusively therefore meaning more movies. That's the reason why it probably gonna win not cause it so superior like everyone seems to saying. Not to mention having it a standard for the ps3. Regardless i'm still gonna wait till we get a victor.....
If you are undecided and you are waiting for a clear winner, my advice to you is get an HD DVD player, they are a minimum $200 less than the cheapest Blu-ray player. Take special note that the Blu-ray spec isn’t don’t yet and even the new $500 BD-300 doesn’t have an Ethernet port, so it will not be in spec come November (unable to do web related features). Therefore the cheapest player that can stay in spec is the $600 PS3.
If you don’t want to get caught with a dead format, think about it: Get an HD DVD player, spend $300 less, get the best version of new movies coming out and if by some chance Blu-ray wins, you have the $300 you didn’t spend to get a Blu-ray player.
If you're undecided, then don't get either one. DVDs work perfectly fine. You do not "have to" buy Blu-ray or HD DVD. Neither Blu-ray or HD DVD is required *unless* you want to play PS3 exclusive games, which are available on Blu-ray.
Currently, all movie titles that are available for either one are also available on DVDs... for cheaper. The prices of the players are still too expensive, and you know they will have to come down soon because the two formats are locked in a mortal kombat.
There is no real good reason to buy Blu-ray or HD DVD right now. Their discs are still too expensive. The prices of players will only continue to fall as they battle for market shares. I say wait until either entry-level player (or both) hits $199.
i'm one of the folks that do enjoy special features, but these features seem a bit, i dunno, "meh."
but the truth of the matter, or the fact of the matter is that
Pixar Movies (can't wait for The Incredibles and Finding Nemo on Blu Ray)
The Spider-Man Trilogy (comes out this fall)
The X Men Trilogy (though three sucked monkey balls)
The Star Wars Trilogy (George loves money. Star Wars fans seem to love to spend their money on countless re-releases of the trilogy. it's coming to Blu Ray, probably by fall 2008)
Pirates of the Carribean
and so many more are coming *EXCLUSIVELY to Blu Ray.
what i care about more than features, are actual *MOVIES.
Blu Ray has the advantage there.
the visual quality of Blu Ray and HD DVD are practically identical, so it then comes down to *CONTENT, not features.
more movies will hit Blu Ray. period.
there's always the off chance that HD DVD could somehow win, but really now, do you really think that's possible when the odds are so stacked against it?
Blu Ray: 7 out of the 8 major motion picture studios support it, four of them exclusively (Sony, MGM, Disney, and Fox).
the Playstation 3 has helped put over 3.5 million Blu Ray players in peoples homes in the past 7 months. don't underestimate brand loyalty. the moment the PS3 drops to $400, sales of Blu Ray movies are going to gain also.
HD DVD: 4 out of the 8 major motion picture studios support it, one exclusively (Universal)
so far, HD DVD only has 300,000 players in peoples home. 150,000 stand alone, and 150,000 from the X Box 360 HD DVD add on.
everywhere you turn, the numbers are having Blu Ray beating HD DVD on a 2:1, often 4:1 basis.
i just bought 3 Blu Ray movies for $21 Friday, and i'll certainly be buying more (the store across the street from me sells games and movies, but they have a special going for new and used Blu Ray, DVD, and HD DVDs, where every weekend, if you buy 2 movies, you get a third one free. i had some store credit, so i bought Casino Royale, Resident Evil Apocalypse for my fiance, and Pirates of the Carribean 1. it came up to $21 and some change. i'll be heading back for more Blu Rays this weekend).
people are buying Playstation 3's everyday. a lot of PS3 owners are curious about Blu Ray. they will at least buy one.
and really, one is often all it takes (after seeing a movie on Blu Ray, i was sold).
my buddy came over last week to check out my TV (he was always making fun of me because i argue with other friends about Blu Ray and HD DVD), and i showed him some HD trailers, and Blu Ray movies. he is a convert now. he *WANTS a Blu Ray player (and HDTV, of course).
my mother was the same way. so far, everyone that i've shown an HD movie to (i'm including HD DVD in this category as well, as the picture quality of that is awesome also) has proclaimed that they'd like to buy an HDTV, and an HD player.
considering that when you turn on the TV, more and more you are starting to see advertisements for more HD services and channels.
HD is becoming the wave of the future, and i think Blu Ray will be the standard hard copy media of HD, and there will be tons of other service (ie, Direct TV or something), that will allow us to watch, or download HD content as well.
if Blu Ray players and HDTVs were $100, i bet every single one of you dissenters on this site would rush out and pick one up. it's the price (and maybe the misinformation that Sony *IS Blu Ray; news flash, they *AREN'T, that keep people hating on it).
High Definition picture is *WONDERFUL. High Definition gaming is even *BETTER.
1080i and 1080p stands for interlace and progresive yes i do know the difference as i own a 1080p tv and it runs at 25 and it cost a sh*t load more than a 1080i does
as you said yourself it does look different on some hdtvs and its a big difference between a sony bravia and some lesser brand piece of sh*t dumb nuts
What h-dvdead can do is die already so people will not waste money on a dead format, Blu-ray has won.
i wont bother with either.
none will win, dvd is smoking both at the moment and if they ever do catch up it will be to late as digital distrobution will be the way of choice.
I personally prefer HD-DVD at the moment cos it is cheaper to make, apparently more feature packed, cheaper for a player, and i think 300 is a hd-dvd exclusive (don't quote me on that as i am not 100%)
Couldn't care less what company is plugging what.
By the time the market is ready for mass adoption of a high-def disc format there will be something better than Blu-Ray and HD-DVD out there. In the meantime, I'd like to enjoy what's available now at the best price and with the best disc features. To me, that's HD-DVD.
And a huge plus for us is that it appears HD-DVD discs really aren't region-encoded, something rumored and that I've found to be true with at least one disc.
We've been enjoying Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire on HD-DVD for a few days now. We have the Xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on (US), which only plays region 1 regular DVD's. But it's playing the Harry Potter HD-DVD, released in the UK (I ordered it from Amazon.co.uk), just fine.
Given how many DVD's we've ordered over the years from outside the US (for our region-free DVD player), region-free HD-DVD content is an advantage over region-encoded Blu-Ray (regardless of how the region boundaries have been restructured for BD).
Planet Earth HD-DVD is glorious, as is the Matrix HD-DVD. We have Heroes season 1 on pre-order, along with Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz. 300 has gone on the must-have list. Just waiting for the official info on Battlestar Galactica seasons on HD-DVD, since those will be pre-ordered as well. And since we don't just watch a film and put it away, I'm excited to see what features continue to show up on upcoming HD-DVDs. Fun stuff.
And it's easy enough to still enjoy the DVD's (especially those 2-disc Disney Collector's Editions) from those studios not supporting HD-DVD.
Enjoy the films you like on the format you like. That's what we're doing.
HD DVD can do Blu Ray can do to aswell or better so what are they talking about and besides Blu Ray is winning there just giving out the full load of lies that isnt even true at all.
Ok, lets remind everyone of what bluray can do (and HD-DVD cant)
---Win the format war.---
well quallity mite not matter, but storage space(to me) really matters,
and the companies supporting it.
and im sure my fav movie Spiderman 3 inst coming to HD-DVD
then HD DVD actually has a triple-layer variety that offers 51GB (i.e., 17GB per layer.) That's 1GB more than Blu-ray's 50GB disc storage limit. Don't believe me? You can go google it or look it up yourself.
The 51GB HD-DVD is already available as blank disc, (not that end consumers like us would actually need or buy the BLANK discs at the moment,) and it's compatible with the regular HD DVD. Movie studios also won't be using the 51GB discs anytime soon because the 30GB discs already offer more than enough space for any movie and extra contents.
So, larger-capacity HD DVDs *are* available, and it's larger than Blu-ray. But you just don't know about it, and you certainly don't need it.
ktchong you need to look here :- http://www.engadget.com/200...
this is quit old news and i`m sure there is a more up to date version knocking around somewhere .
Oh yea by the way that is sarcasam. Personally I hope Blu-ray does win based entirely on the fact that I want a large storage base for me to be able to store all of my videos that I have downloaded. Dual layer blu-rays will allow me to put my entire collection of Hunter X Hunter on one disk thus negating the need to store 6 dvds. I know that having to store more disks isn't going to be the end of the world but I have close to 500 Gig worth of video on my computer so if blu-ray becomes the format then the Blu-ray writers will become cheaper and so will the disks allowing me to put all of my vidoes on 10 disks. That to me is more than reason enough to want blu-ray to win. I love convienience.
ktchong u prob. feeliing like a dumbass compareing 51gb hd dvd to 200gb blu-ray
a classic on Blueray yesterday Stargate. Good show.
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