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Suda51 Not Excited About Arc, Interested In Natal

CC: Creator of the No More Heroes series Goichi Suda - aka Suda51 - has given his views on the motion control/sensing technology that will be available for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 later this year. (PS3, Xbox 360)

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Sonyslave3  +   1505d ago
Natal b!tches it the future .

Why develop a game for the competition (Sony) while their device is exactly the same as Nintendo’s?” said Suda in an interview with Gamers.fr. “I'm not really excited about the gadget from Sony. Natal is great, it would be interesting to work on it”

We can’t expect every developer to love the PS3’s motion controller, but with over 80% of worldwide developers working on Natal enabled titles, it’s looks to be tough for the device.
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mrv321  +   1505d ago
HAHA... this happend in the 80's 90's and 00's and it's happen in 2010 and let me tell you this.... THE OUTCOME WILL BE THE SAME.

Companies create motion controller add-ons, AND THEY FAIL. It's plain and simply.

Bu...bu... the Wii, the WII HASN'T got a motion controller add-on it IS a motion console.

The controller is superior, I could prove that to you. Check the Natal lag... check the control medium and check you mind.

If you honestly think Natal>Controller then your frankly not a games.
SpaceSquirrel  +   1505d ago
Natal's success will depend on the pricing I think.
mjolliffe  +   1505d ago
Yeah, Natal's pricing is crucial. If it's $50-$70 it'll do pretty well. If it's $150-$200 like recent rumours claim, it'll fail badly.
scruffy_bear  +   1505d ago
It would need to be no more than $80
kissmeimgreek  +   1505d ago
what recent rumor claims $200?
most say $80 AT THE MOST.
God_Of_Epicness  +   1505d ago
Pricing doesn't matter. People (dumb ones) will still buy it. Example, HALO 3 (bad game but sold 10 mill). Example, Wi-fi for 360. Example, Play N Charge kit which i am so mad at MS that their play n charge kit was as faulty as their console. I am not going to buy another thing from MS except OS's. Btw, do you guys live in America? You do know America is MS territory right? The people overhypes it saying it's the next thing but it isn't. Natal's sensors lag but they don't know that. I'm not sure if they even have gone into gaming sites and check. Another reason why they will sell millions is advertising, something Sony is dumb not to do. So as far as i'm concerned, it'll be a success in MS's eyes. MILO footage was crap because it was fake. They didn't show the lag.
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Sonyslave3  +   1505d ago
For the million times already Natal is not replacing the controller.
mrv321  +   1505d ago
Ok, so what's the point.

If it's not replacing the controller why would any devs waste time and money developing some tech that won't use Natal to it's full ability and will only be used by 1 million people. Why not just use the controller.

If Natal is designed to enhance then it cannot be used online. XBOX 360 main users play online... your denying them that if they want to use Natal all the time.
TOO PAWNED  +   1505d ago
when he makes decent game, i'll care, NEXT!
talltony  +   1505d ago
I think natal will only really work for little casual games while the arc will be used with big Sony exclusives and casual psn games. Honestly I don't give two craps about either, nothing will replace the controller.
sikbeta  +   1505d ago
Amen to That, talltony

Joysticks FTW!!!
Voozi  +   1505d ago
Well good thing he doesn't make "decent" games. He makes AWESOME games. Killer7, No More Heroes 1 & 2.

Looks like you won't be caring for a while.
DarkTower805  +   1505d ago
Too Pawned,
Him and Kojima are major divas, but he does make some pretty good games. They're not mainstream games, but good nevertheless.
Parapraxis  +   1505d ago
"their device is exactly the same as Nintendo’s?"
Sorry Suda, but you're way off on that.

@DarkTower805...MGS is pretty darn "mainstream". Unless you consider the only games that are mainstream to be FPS titles that is.
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Rocket Sauce  +   1505d ago
I don't really care about the story, but who gives themselves a name like Suda51? Do any of you guys walk around telling people to call you Brad16 or Steve86?
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iFLOWLIKEWATER  +   1505d ago
@voozi
So true! Too Pawned himself!
SoapShoes  +   1505d ago
Hmmm...
"their device is exactly the same as Nintendo’s?"
Really? Well that's not true. If you say that why would he be excited about 360 Eyetoy? Exactly the same as what Sony did on PS2 only more advanced. Arc is exactly like what Nintendo did on Wii only more advanced.
ssipmraw  +   1505d ago
rocket sauce
his full name is goichi suda but in japan and most other asian countries the last name goes before the first so suda goichi
in japan 5 is pronounced go while 1 is pronounced ichi hence his mates gave him that nickname
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headwing45  +   1505d ago
If he doesn't care about the arc...
Why does he only develope Wii games, something smells fishy
baum  +   1505d ago
like Nintendo's? really?
Ignorance FTW
JokesOnYou  +   1505d ago
Ouch!...
He could of just said he likes Natal more, Natal has had alot more attention from devs since E3, still he's only making Suda51 a target for the over-sensitive ps3 extremists who will never forget any slight against sony as if you said something about their mommy. I'll just wait and see what Natal or the wand has to offer before I pass judgement.

JOY
Rocket Sauce  +   1505d ago
"Go" "Ichi" - gotcha, makes sense now. I used to get so pissed at people using what sounds like an internet screen name in place of this dude's actual name, but its not so bad as long as there's a reason behind it.

I have a similar feeling about the guy who directed the last Terminator movie. He calls himself "McG" and I want to punch him.
rockleex  +   1505d ago
From the article:
"with over 80% of worldwide developers working on Natal enabled titles"

Ignorance FTW.

Microsoft actually said the majority of PUBLISHERS are working on bringing Natal titles.

Anyways, we have MUCH better games to worry about than No More Heroes.
kissmeimgreek  +   1505d ago
@ parapraxis
theyve already most likely been given dev kits for both motion controllers and Id believe them when they say its just like the wii before i believe a bunch of n4g users who have never even used the thing.
cgoodno  +   1505d ago
One HUGE flaw with their article based on a previous one.
The article says that 80% of developers are working on Natal games, and links to an article where the person specifically says:

"We have something like 70% or 80% of the publishers in the world already doing Natal-based games."

There is a huge difference between developer and publisher. There are vastly fewer number of publishers out there than there are developers.

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Otherwise, this is just a fluff article. I don't care about either until they both start showing me something worthwhile. I don't own a Wii because there are so few games that I could see myself buying and none of them come close in desire that I get out of 360/PS3/PC games. If Natal and Arc end up being like that, I won't go there either.
rockleex  +   1505d ago
Well the thing is...
The original interview was in French.

It seems like this website translated it themselves. I don't know much french, but I'm pretty sure this website is just twisting his words to make it seem like he doesn't like the Arc at all.

Basically, if the Arc is the same as the Wii Motion Plus, then that would be good because there's less work for him to do to convert the same gameplay mechanics over to the PS3.

I think what Suda51 meant to say is that he's more excited about Natal because it will offer a different motion control scheme. But whether it will be better or not is yet to be seen.
IdleLeeSiuLung  +   1505d ago
LOL. People are trying to reason away what the is said in the article. it said what it said!

Get over your jealousy and let people that care voice their opinion. It's clear that there are the same people over and over saying the same negative stuff in every PRO MS article.

Do you guys even own a 360? If you did, you wouldn't be so negative about it and be happy new exciting stuff is coming out for it.
Light Yagami  +   1505d ago
Suda made No More Heroes 2, one of the best games on Wii.

This is just the beginning of Natal dev support.
Tony P  +   1505d ago
I like Suda's games. If he can do good hardcore with Natal, by all means. If I'm going to buy this thing, I want devs like Suda interested in pushing the tech.
VenGencE999  +   1505d ago
R U PEOPLE SLOW?
His first reason states it's because it would bring direct competition to the Wii, which he doesn't want to do. Working with Natal will give him a chance to expand his customer base, not divide it. Simple business move and a smart one.
rockleex  +   1505d ago
"because it would bring direct competition to the Wii"
So he doesn't want to make multiplats? O_o

Isn't he trying to bring No More Heroes 2 to the HD consoles?

This guy is just contradicting himself.

You automatically divide your userbase when you make a game multiplat. But it also increases your audience too.
Arnon  +   1505d ago
Sorry but how much more "advanced" can a motion controller like the arc get compared to the Wiimote+?

What exactly are the differences between the Wiimote+ and Arc? Because the Wiimote+ is actually 1:1. Yes, I have used it, and it's pretty darn nice. Honestly, Sony played it safe on this one, and unfortunately, I don't see it taking off anywhere. Sony never markets their peripherals, and when they do, it never sells in the first place.

What are we going to see with their advertisements? Would it be the exact same thing as a Wii commercial? What is this thing going to do that the Wii cannot? These are honest, serious questions I'm asking.

Also, how is there a difference between developers and publishers when 80% of developers are OWNED by PUBLISHERS?
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AL Faris  +   1505d ago
The EYE's abilities (with "ARC" combined)...
...far outstrech that of the wii based on the simple fact that the EYE is a camera and already has games out for it now like EyePet, Mesmerize etc. The EYE doesnt suddenly lose the rest of its features when the "ARC" is incorporated but then some simple and easy to acquire info would have saved you from seeming like a such an ignorant cynic
VenGencE999  +   1505d ago
@rockleex
how am I contradicting myself? What you're implying is that the Wii-mote and the Arc are the same tech, which I'd have to say they are not. I'm quite sure if the tech was the same SONY would have to pay Nin some type of royalties, which is not the case. The only similarity is they provide the same end result.
You wouldn't be able to make the EXACT same game for the ps3 and the Wii, so no ports and no cost saving porting does for you. You could make a similar game, but it would NOT be the same, forcing you in direct competition with yourself. Why buy this game when you could just get a similar one on the cheaper Wii?
tronz  +   1505d ago
Don't be mad because Microsoft is coming up with something so fresh and revolutionary it is considered interacting with computers with sign language by all media and other industries in the future.
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cgoodno  +   1504d ago
Also, how is there a difference between developers and publishers when 80% of developers are OWNED by PUBLISHERS?
Really? What's the difference?

Here's the difference: Let's say there are 10 publishers, each publisher has between 5 and 10 game development studios that they have agreements with to publish and may also own.

Now, the difference is if you say 80% of publishers working on Natal games it means 8+ games. If you say 80% of developers working on Natal games it means 40+ games.

If 80% of developers are working on Natal games in the real world, that would mean there would be close to 80 Natal games in development right at this moment. It's just not probable and it's more likely that it's in the range of 8-20 Natal games from various publishers, the majority of the games being developed by Microsoft of course.

They purposefully say it this way to misinform and over-inflate the numbers so people will think that there will be tons of games and support for it at release by practically everyone out there.
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inveni0  +   1504d ago
I think EVERYONE is interested in Natal, but only to the extent that we just want to know what it's actually capable of. Personally, I lost interest once Microsoft confirmed that Natal is intended for casual games. Give me hardcore. That's how I like my porn, and that's how I like my games.
Arnon  +   1504d ago
@Callahan
You would be correct if there was actually 100 major developers in the world. No more, no less. However, I'm going to take a swing at it and say there's around 40-60 major developers out there right now. All of which are owned by publishers who are most likely working on Natal. There are about 20-30 natal games being made, which would make sense, based on the 40-60 margin.

So yes, when 80% of developers are owned by publishers, and 80% of publishers are working on Natal, there really isn't much of a difference.
GR8 1  +   1505d ago
Natal = the end of the ps3.

R.I.P PS3 2010.
Sonyslave3  +   1505d ago
Yes sony know it that why they delay their ARC to fall to steal some of Natal hype.
stonecold1  +   1505d ago
gt5
will put the 360 the final nail in the coffin for the 360 its been dead in japan europe australia germany newzealand
Akagi  +   1505d ago
Oh dear, I didn't realize the Mental Asylums have internet access.
KrustytheClown  +   1505d ago
good for suda51
and good all of the developers who love the ark. chow :)
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movements  +   1505d ago
I'm excited myself.
zack61  +   1505d ago
I'm not sold on natal just yet need to some games first.
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prodg52  +   1505d ago
didn't 80%
of developers ignore the wii? And just like the wii, sony will make most of it's Arc money off of first party titles. 3rd party need not apply.
mirroredderorrim  +   1505d ago
I reaaaaaally love this zone. It makes me laugh so hard. Even on the iphone, when I'm reading it, and I laugh annoyingly hard while waiting in line to buy a book, or buy a club- sandwich at the cafe.

As for Mr. Suda 51, you're all hype buddy. It's high time you deliver the goods or GTFO of town.
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RamiHixxy  +   1505d ago
God of war 3 > Natal

A game take down all Betabox260.... lol watta shame

cry moree please
RememberThe357  +   1505d ago
Well thats counter intuitive
It seems like the dev community is split between Natal and the Arc.

“Why develop a game for the competition (Sony) while their device is exactly the same as Nintendo’s?”
That almost seems like a fanboy comment. He didn't make the game for Nintendo and the first No More Hero's was on all consoles in Japan. The question is why not?
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Bigpappy  +   1505d ago
Because he can just port them over
The mechanics are the same for wiimote and ARC. So why redo what already works?

Natal is a totally different beast. I the doesn't need and controller to work and has no buttons. Your welcome.
VenGencE999  +   1505d ago
The mechanics are NOT the same, it's not that simple. I'm sure the Wii-motes are patented and it would not be a simple port, some coding would have to change. If it was the same tech why not expand your consumer base? And ALL companies WANT to expand their consumer base to the fullest.
RememberThe357  +   1505d ago
Bigpappy
That was my point. They are very similar in usage and thus it wouldn't be hard to make similar games for those platforms. I'm not suggesting he drop support of the Wii just wondering why he would support the Wii and not the Arc when they do very similar things.

Why did he refer to Sony as "the competition"? He doesn't work for Nintendo thus Sony is not his competition but the holder of a platform that he could release games on.
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tyrex  +   1505d ago
who???
suda51???????
k-Lan  +   1505d ago
No surprise here.
dangert12  +   1505d ago
you though devs that worked with the wii would be like suda
wonder why there not what is the arcs secret
k-Lan  +   1505d ago
What?
givemelbpbetakeys  +   1504d ago
Well K-Lan haves a point
WHAT?
kratos17  +   1505d ago
i dont believe any of the big three can pull off pleasing both hardcore and casual gamers.

one group will be brushed aside and that is why i think both sony and microsoft motion controll will fail but if one of them succeed they will loose some hardcore gamers. (IMHO)
Wolf873  +   1505d ago
We'll see what happens,
but why doesn't Sony encourage developers to use their PS-EYE cam? Sony too has that motion sensing technology (though both are different at the same time), it'd be neat if we get more games, on PSN preferably, that use PS-Eye.
kissmeimgreek  +   1505d ago
i mean you cant really use the arc without the ps eye...
Beefstew4u  +   1505d ago
I'm not really excited about either of them. I think the Arc is more practical, and would technically be better. But I can guarantee it won't sell. And Natal is probably gonna be limited to crappy party games like that ball bouncing one. I can't see myself buying either, and I think they're both gonna flop.
MysticStrummer  +   1505d ago
Hmmm... *checks Suda51's history of games* ...nope, don't care. NEXT !!!
Allowen  +   1505d ago
For me Natal will have even more ocasional gameplay then we found on the Nintendo Wii . Sony's "Arc"will be the best option for hardcore ...
Look at Metroid Prime 3 :corruption on the Nintendo Wii, it is a real cool game with a great experience since you play it using a Wii remote+nunchunk.

I might be a pessimist but I doubt that Natal will be able to recognize and execute precisely on the screen all the player's movement while playing a FPS for exemple.

I am trying but I can't imagine a hardcore FPS Halo game to use Natal even if it is a single player game like Metroid Prime3 on the Wii.

If Sony really announces Killzone3 to indead have support to the "Arc" controler it will be a hook so hard on Microsoft's head .
Sonyslave3  +   1505d ago
LOL a game that couldn't even sell 5m on user base of 120million yeah MS is Scare because of GOD OF WAR 3 graphics didn't yall said the samething about Killzone2,Uncharted2,MAG, Heavy Rain what happen nothing.
Akagi  +   1505d ago
Troll failed.

Hard. :(
mrv321  +   1505d ago
The only thing that I realised from reading that is that you have too many bubbles. -1 bubble for you.

I fear I may loose bubbles by your multi's or you, but hey it's happend before and they've came back to me.
cyborg6971  +   1505d ago
Don't worry about your bubbles mrv I've got your bubble back. OT natal is so lame and your bots excuse is that it's not going to replace the controller and in the same breathe you say it's the end of the ps3. Funny cause games make the consoles not the peripherals. The 360 has no games how many exclusives do you have this year two have fun this year.
tiamat5  +   1505d ago
Damn straight! Who cares what he says? Give us a game that sells alot more and then come back. What I think is funny is that everyone is already to condemn the Arc and embrace the Natal without seeing how they perform with actual games.For all we know the Natal can't do spit with actual games made by its so called supporters.
bigjclassic  +   1505d ago
With out a nunchuck device Arc will not do well.
People are already used to Wiimote + Nunchuck for games now. Suda51 is right though about the Arc they are the same as the Wiimote, epsecially since newer Wiimote have motion+ built in.

*EDIT* Seems people here have not played Killer 7 or NMH1/2. Sad really.
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Dead_Cell  +   1505d ago
YEAH BUT WHO CARES.
'COS HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AND HE'S NEVER MADE A GOOD GAME IN HIS LIFE AND HIS DEVELOPMENT TEAM SUCKS AND SONY EXCLUSIVES ARE WAY BETTER ANYWAY.
Brick Tamland  +   1505d ago
LOUD NOISES!!!
GiantEnemyCrab  +   1505d ago
Who are you yelling at? RAAAAGEE! haha

Suda51 has done some great stuff. I don't think you've played any.
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Dead_Cell  +   1505d ago
Bubbles for Brick.
Everybody needs more Brick.
baodeus  +   1505d ago
@allowen

I sure hope so. You can play KZ2 with the arc on one hand and the dualshock on the other. That would be sweet. Unless they already create a nunchuck like the wii, which isn't good for aiming either. I'll bet KZ2 will be great with that :/ Plus, remember u need to buy the arc, the nunchuck attachment and the eye cam. Seem a tad much just for casual game.
i_am_interested  +   1505d ago
"blah blah blah i wasnt important enough to receive a prototype wand blah blah blah"
josh14399  +   1505d ago
natal and arc are crap ordinary controllers are the best.
GameOn  +   1505d ago
They're anything but ordinary.
The Kingslayer  +   1505d ago
Charlie Murphy
What did Suda 51 five fingers say to your face?...Smack!!!

Cocaine's a hell of drug...
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GiantEnemyCrab  +   1505d ago
Love that line!

That has to be one of his best skits along with the one about playing B-Ball with Prince.

Related video
Sir_Ken_Kutaragi_  +   1505d ago
The 1st Game for Project Natal will be called -
'BEAT THE LAG'!!! ;-D
GrandDragon  +   1505d ago
I think the Arc is taking the same route as the PS3. Developers will ignore it, see the potential, then move towards it just like they did with the PS3.

The Arc is 10x's more accurate than the WiiMote even with Motion Plus.
Apocalypse Shadow  +   1505d ago
the man is kind of "OUT THERE" when it comes to his games.
maybe natal is more for him and his team.

but to say the pseye/arc is like the wimmote is being foolish.

i didn't know that nintendo's sensor bar was a "camera."

i didn't know that nintendo was doing REAL3D this fall that makes your games jump out the tv screen.

i didn't know that the wiimote was accurate down to the pixel level.

i didn't know that you can do hand gesture or voice control with the wiimote?

and that's just from the top of my head.but whatever floats his boat.
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