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David Cage comments on negative reviews of Heavy Rain

David Cage commented about the bad critics of Heavy Rain, particularly made by two major French sites and He said that these two sites got poor articles, written by a fourteen-years-old boy... (Heavy Rain , PS3)

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jjacinto23  +   2174d ago
graciousd  +   2174d ago
For me, a review with a bad score is not necessarily a bad review. However, a bad review is when there's a lack of analysis from a broader perspective, you know something related to the originality, creativity, innovation gameplay and story telling of the game, etc. Reviewers nowadays care either about graphics or multi-online component.
alphakennybody  +   2174d ago
personally, I think he shouldn't care about them. the game spoke for itself and proved to be a step forward in narrative/story telling.
TOO PAWNED  +   2174d ago

That's what Cage was refering to, what was written, not score.

"two sites are completely gone curiously beside the game beyond poor ratings (which worst rating for all countries, three points below the world average still ...) is the mediocrity of items that struck me. No reflection, no analysis, just a text boy of fourteen years in a playground."


" A strange article in the form of reckoning in which my name appears a sentence of two, as if the review was on me and not about the game Again, no analysis, no reflection, no recoil, just verbiage pseudo-intellectual with no content whatsoever. "

Good comment

"The developers and publishers try to change video games, it must one day that some media on the internet is also called into question. "
LordMarius  +   2174d ago
Good to see developers chime in on inconsistent reviews
sikbeta  +   2174d ago
This is the Best Review of the Game:

Gaming FTW!!!
EvilBlackCat  +   2174d ago

I never trust or follow reviews

i am the one who judge if i like the game or not

Why you pity gamers don't do the same thing?

In my opinion and taste HEAVY RAIN suck

things i like in the game

- Graphics (eeehh NOT that much)
- Music Score (Like any decent movie)

the rest?

not my taste
raztad  +   2174d ago
About time some one step up and said what got to be said about that pretentious and highly biased piece of crap called EDGE.

I havent played HR, but Cage view on them is 100% shared by me.
moeqawama  +   2174d ago
I wish he mentioned that fat piece of sh*t at destructoid
NeoBasch  +   2174d ago
IMO, Heavy Rain is an instant classic. I could give a flying f#ck about what reviewers think of HR. Besides, they lost every ounce of respect I once had for them over the last generation, which in my opinion is a good thing. God forbid I make a decision on my own.

P.S. I still cannot for the life of me figure out why ME2 has a much higher score than HR. I've played both and found each to be very similar in quality.
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   2174d ago

Destructoid are Irrelevant site, they are not making serious reviews. Even they make ridiculous articles.
solidjun5  +   2174d ago
"[N]o analysis, no reflection, no recoil, just verbiage pseudo-intellectual with no content whatsoever. "
Yea that sounds like EDGE. Just big words to show how smart they are but really doesn't do any analysis. The Killzone 2 review is a perfect example of that.
Bathyj  +   2174d ago

Just because a game is not your taste doesnt mean it "sucks".

The Total War series is reveered by gamers. The top of its genre.
RTS's are not my type of game generally, but that doesnt mean the game sucks. I still still reconise the quality. The graphics, the scale, the execution. I thing the game is quite brilliant. Just not my style of play.

But at least I can give credit where its due.
Syronicus  +   2173d ago
The sad part of all this is...
The credibility of Metacritic falls down by them letting scores like this derived from poorly written articles onto the site and added to the average. They should be more critical of the sites they let into Meta as it represents the quality of the overall score. It's too bad Meta does not take the scores any more seriously than the 14 year old boys writing the poor reviews.
NeoBasch  +   2173d ago
Not only that, but Metacritic weighs individual review scores. They say it's because the writers have been "gaming" for a lot longer than say TotalVideoGames, which doesn't make a lick of sense. Especially since they ignore the writer and weight it according to the individual site. They could've hired a freelancer, or, worse, newbie, over at Edge and they still would have rated it the same.

I hate MetaCritic with a passion, and how much developers depend on it. If you're going to depend on an aggregate, depend on N4G's. They at least compile all scores and give each equal weight. Now if only we could get a moderator to remove some of these poorly researched reviews from our own aggregate. Than it'd be just perfect. We shouldn't encourage this type of $hit; regardless of system.
GrandDragon  +   2174d ago
The graphics were very inconsistent in Heavy Rain. The game should get a 7/10 in the graphics department just because of the inconsistencies in the graphics.

David, you want to make a realistic game right? well then make the environments look flippin real for crying out loud!!. The cars and the streets resembled GTA4 and the animations were very very uncanny.

I don't call that realism. I think The Getaway 3 and Eight Days will look 10x's more realistic than this.
Hellsvacancy  +   2174d ago
U sir, r a moron

The focus of the game is NOT the backgrounds, its the characters and the storyline

Go back 2 playin Halo 3 or COD
mabreu  +   2174d ago
I agree with GrandDragon
I was not impressed with the graphics except the up-close face shots. The background needed some more detailing. However, GTA4 is worse.

I think Uncharted 2 spoiled me.
UnwanteDreamz  +   2174d ago
@ Hells
Don't bother talking sense to these guys. They think a coffee table in the background should have perfect textures or the story and character development suffer. I'm sure if they had a conversation while playing the game it would go something like this......

"Did you see that lamp shade in the corner?"

"Yep, I sure did and it looked horrible".

"Great graphics my as* can't even make a good looking lamp shade"
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Pennywise  +   2174d ago
This 2 bubble warrior did not play the game. I didn't have time to check out the background while playing.
darx  +   2174d ago
Relax guys
It's only a video game.
GiantEnemyCrab  +   2174d ago
Yup, I've been playing it about 5 hours now and the graphics are hit and miss. But that isn't even my biggest beef with the game. The attempt to immerse you in the character by doing mundane tasks kills it for me..

I spend 10 minutes downloading an update then 10 minutes running through an install to fire the game up and start getting dressed and brushing me teeth? Boooring..

And don't get me started on the voice acting.. If the characters are the focus don't make it sound like they are reading from a teleprompter.

Still though, I see what QD are going for and I give them mad props for taking that risk, maybe they can make it all work in HR2.

Don't mind the relentless defenders here.. Sony can do no wrong and you are an idiot if you think otherwise to these folks.
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Jdoki  +   2174d ago
I've completed the game once, and for me the biggest flaw - even bigger than the plot holes - was the graphics.

Screen tearing has never bothered me before, but in this game it did. And there were one or two occasions when characters walked through each other - this really destroys the sense of immersion. But my biggest criticisms were the camera, and the way characters walked and interacted. It was very wooden and took the edge off an amazing experience.

But I still love the game.
gamingisnotacrime  +   2174d ago
Agreed no game is perfect
Heavy Rain is an excellent game, the emotional attachment is totally unexpected from me as a gamer. Im on my second playthrough and i have played the same episodes in a very different way, i like this game a lot.
Graphics are hit and miss, some plot issues, and some bugs. But the objective of Mr. Cage was met with flying colors, and this could very well be the begining of the future for adult aimed games. BTW, amazon reviewers are praising this game a lot, for those who have only played the demo, check out those amazon reviews because pros and cons are exposed by over 100 people, not some big name web site
graciousd  +   2174d ago
@TOO PAWNED: yep I know. It's not about the score, but the review itself. There's a lack of analysis and so on.
djtek184  +   2174d ago
i luv this game. its refreshing & addictive.
Aquarius  +   2174d ago
THOUSANDS of gamers are still waiting for you to patch your broken game.

RedDragan  +   2173d ago
Best story of any game... EVER!

10/10 rating from me!
DelbertGrady  +   2174d ago
Let the game speak for itself. This just makes him look desperate.
LordMarius  +   2174d ago
This just makes you look like a fanboy

...which you are
dalibor  +   2174d ago
It has spoken to me, that is why I'm getting the game when I get some money together. Maybe I should trade in some of my games, I still have not traded in a game yet lol. Probably b/c you get ripped off.
Unicron  +   2174d ago
Criticizing scores is one thing, but I think it's entirely valid to be critical of reviews, especially when poorly written. Why are critics allowed to critique these works done by developers, but developers are not able to be critical of the critics? Seems rather unfair.

Those who cannot do, whine.
Biggest  +   2174d ago
I wonder what he is desperate for? Sales? Adoration? Or for the people that run their mouths for a living to be accountable for their rampant bullcrap? I vote #3.
GiantEnemyCrab  +   2174d ago
That's rich.. When Dennis Dyack does this he is called an ahole because he called out the reviewers and the critics just like this guy is doing. Instead the entire community turned on him. Granted he went on a crusade of sorts while Cage is keeping it fairly low key.
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JustTheFactsMr  +   2174d ago
"This just makes him look desperate."
Same can be said for the media.
moomooakai  +   2174d ago
...Except that 'Too Human' was a crappy game.
GarandShooter  +   2174d ago
@ moomooakai

What the hell did crap ever do to you that you would stoop so low as to compare it to Too Human! :)
GiantEnemyCrab  +   2173d ago
Oh that's right.. You think it's crappy therefore the world think it's crappy. The game did not get a fair shake. I mean they complained about death animations and here we are in a game that has you brushing your teeth as part of the gameplay and it's "supa coo!"

The game did not get treated fairly. Did you even play it?
MattCielo  +   2173d ago
You didn't even read the blog obviously. The developer talked about how some of the reviews didn't even justify their score bad OR good. He respected BOTH the bad and good reviews if they were justified, BUT he didn't like some of the bad reviews because they came from the mindset that videogames should never change. You idiots are calling out this guy when what he said was only a little footnote in his whole blog.
DelbertGrady  +   2173d ago
You call me a fanboy because I don't side with devs who work for Sony. If this was Gabe, Dyack or Molyneux you would agree with me.
nycredude  +   2173d ago
Giant enemy crab

The difference is the other game you are talking about got mediocre scores all around. Heavy Rain is getting great scores all around with a few (the usual suspects) really bad scores where the reviewers were obviously hating.
Socomer 1979  +   2174d ago
I definatly agree with cage.

I cant relate to these small time pubescent websites.
These guys cant even review thier own nuts to determine if they are men yet.
Lirky  +   2174d ago
i give heavy rain 10/10 because replay value, and how you can mess up at times and itll show the action of you messing up lol. Rather than cookie-cutter games u do something and it gets repetative.

Edit: remember silent hill franchise the older versions what if they were re-made or just new ones done using the qte elements + the third person action value baked in the same oven.
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Socomer 1979  +   2174d ago
heavy rain changed my life.
Now when i watch sparticus on netflix i want to tap the triangle and square buttons on my dualshock3 controller.

Thats revolutionary if you ask me.
Dark Collosis  +   2173d ago
And tapping a few triangles and squares when its called for is NEXT GEN gaming for you huh??? SAD SAD SAD... This game doesnt deserve a score more than a 7/10. Rental maybe when i want to watch a movie instead of playing a game...
Like i have said before the ONLY reason this game is even selling is because of wankers and fanboys who desperatly need to see some tail. Who the hell cares if you can tap a button next to a toilet to make her pee? Or next to a sink to watch her brush her teeth? This is where you sonyfans want your games than i hope you fools get it. I will support GoW3 this junk will not get my $..
Dawn_Of_Ashes  +   2174d ago
Lol edge... This magasine is well known to be a 360fan boy mag. Dont be surprised if they give a bad rating at your game. But put the same game on 360 and edge will give it a 10/10
AliTheBrit19  +   2174d ago
Just got off playing Heavy Rain, its not for me, they failed with that game.. they sacrificed gameplay and fun to deliver a mature and emotional STORY,

but it turns out the plot is full of BIG holes, and that the voice acting/dialog/animation is all terrible.
Karooo  +   2174d ago
thats because you are a 14 year old
the game is M rated.
Lirky  +   2174d ago
You said there were big holes
theres download content thats like prequels to everyone how they became themselves in the full game of heavy rain. So theres no holes at all, just some in your braincells.
AliTheBrit19  +   2174d ago
Actually I'm 19, this game is not mature at all, just bad, get over it.

And yes there is big holes, I point post them here though.
RedDragan  +   2173d ago
Shut up ali, you don't even own a PS3. All you do is talk dirt about it and try convincing others not to bother getting one.

No wonder you have 2 stars and are ignored more than the vast majority of people here!
Sangria  +   2174d ago
Here's my translation if you people don't like much Google translations:

"David Cage used his blog hosted at IGN to say what he thinks about certain sites and magazines reviews, including the "two main French video game sites", (which gave Heavy Rain a 7.5/10) and (which gave 6/10). To describe those critics works, he uses quite rude words: the mediocrity of the articles, kiddy texts, no analysis, no reflection, no recoil,...

"The disagreeable articles are eventually to count on the fingers of a hand, which is quite unexpected. The two main French video game sites are in the front line of those that didn't like (decidedly we're never prophet in our own country...). The whole French press reserved a very positive reception to the game, in line with the other countries reactions, but those two sites somehow totally missed the game.

Beyond the mediocre scores (including the lowest score among all countries, three points below the worldwide average nonetheless...), it's the mediocrity of the articles that hurt me. No reflection, no analysis, only a text from a 14-years-old kid in a playground. Developers and publishers try to make evolve video games, one day a certain Internet press will also have to question itself.

Other special mention to the UK magazine Edge, another international exception. Formerly a magazine of reflection and vanguard, the magazine is decidedly no longer what it used to be. After three months of disagreeable articles regarding Heavy Rain, (including two before the preview, which means without even having access to the game), the review was predictable. A strange article with the shape of a reckoning where my name appears one line out of two, as if the review was about myself and not the game. Here again, no analysis, no reflection, no recoil, just barely intelligent waffle without an inch of content.

Of course, there are some negative articles defending coherently a point of view, there are also positive article without real analysis, but in overall, Heavy Rain permitted to see where were the last islets of bitter conservatism, those where we think the video game shall never changer neither try to change it, just keep it as it is since twenty years, improving itself but not too much. This resistance is eventually extremely marginal, much more than I was expecting. In its wide majority, the international press is hungry for change."
FxckOSX  +   2174d ago
ofcourse they are 360 fanboy.
if Heavy Rain was 360 exclusive, they give 1000000000 / 10 score with joyfully.
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nutbear96  +   2174d ago
In my opinion it is the best game I have played...EVER!!!!!!!!! It's so refeshing and unique and... well, AMAZING! I've played some good games in my days of gaming whether its wasting 500 hours of my life playing FF7 or for the first time ever queing all night for a game (MGS4). I lined up at 11:30 and I got it at 12:00 then I got home and started playing (after installation) at around 1:00 and then I had some energy drinks and had some pizza (takeaway) and I stopped playing at roughly 2:00 the next morning! And the end of MGS4 was the most epic feeling EVER! But although Heavy Rain doesn't feel that epic I still feel that it is the best game I have ever played!
RedDragan  +   2173d ago

Amazingly strong story, graphics are out of the world and the immersion is unrivalled!
Aery  +   2174d ago
Cage, continue to make this AWESOME game and let this "kid-journalist" enjoy their mediocrity.

Cage, put them in your ignore list and remember for one who hate your game there are thousand who love it.
darkequitus  +   2174d ago
I personally gave the game a 9. That was because it tried to do something different like mirrors edge. The QTE were better implemented than say a GoW game.
It was a bit of a glitch fest. However, after struggling with PC games like the original S.T.A.L.K.E.R. it was largely water of a ducks back.
The Maxx  +   2174d ago
BOO HOO 2 people that work at different sites have an opinion and didn't like our game...BOO HOO they must be just 14 year old boys who don't know what gaming is...

My god people can't have opinions these days.
GarandShooter  +   2174d ago
Apparently not David Cage...
Chicago8506  +   2174d ago
Tha Majority have already spoken..
Tha game iz a must buy..

Can't wait until tomorrow for tha Taxidermist DLC!
Here's hoping for Bad A** DLC for Heavy Rain!

Game on!
happy_gilmore  +   2174d ago
some reviewers just have some hidden agenda
which is usually to bring the ps3 exclusives down or to promote the 3fixme. bayonetta a 10 from edge? really (btw, bayonetta flopped hard).. that game had more qte than HR

it's like fox news reviewing obama's speeches. everything is negative when xbots are reviewing ps3 exclusives.
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Dark Collosis  +   2173d ago
I have no doubt in my mind you believe that as well.. I think if anything this game got a pass for being a sony exclusive for fear of you mindless fanboys..
Kittenz  +   2174d ago
Someone didn't like his game so now the world will end. Seriously get over it, it's one persons opinion.
Deios  +   2174d ago
This game is great! The only thing I hate is all the random freezing I get while playing this game. I hope it gets fix soon.
Cerberus2125  +   2174d ago
I deleted the update and have not had anymore problems with the game.
jjesso1993  +   2174d ago
I dont think he should be complaining when the game sold 500,000+ units in its first week who cares about reviews its just opinion at the end the day and people dont like they express there opinions i in fact loved this its gripping it has amazing story graphics are really good. i my self have only had little audio problem when after pausing the game then un pausing. But if you do complete the game I think you might notice somthing thats not explained dont know if its explained I am on second playthrough hope it is explained and just missed it i cant ask as could be spoiler.
Biggest  +   2174d ago
Yet you are here complaining about something that took less than 2 minutes out of your life. That game took years out of his team. It affected their families and friends. And the end product effects him and those that work with him in a monetary sense. Published negative reviews are not just someone's opinion. They are advertising in its complete form. For him to take offense by someone that can so easily discard that work and call it worthless (which is what a negative review can render a product) without knowing why or how makes complete sense. Some people here will defend tooth and nail a company that has no direct impact on their lives in the least. I think Mr. Cage has a completely valid reason to challenge their maturity.
Kittenz  +   2173d ago
I think most reviewers spell out what they like/dislike about a game and yet if they give it a 7/10 no one bothers to read the review they just see a '7' and call the site a joke and the reviewer is biased. It's getting to the point where you have to give everything a 10/10 or the fanboys will cry foul. The guy needs to accept the criticism and move on
Biggest  +   2173d ago
Read those reviews. Then read what Cage said. He isn't worried about bad reviews with substance. He is angry at bad reviews from people that don't seem to have played the game. They say they don't like things that aren't really there.

Heavy Rain 5/10
Graphics 6/10 I don't like that junk
Gameplay 4/10 OMG BUTTONS
Story 4/10 I like books
Overall a bad game. They want me to care, but I don't. It's lame.

That is what he is referring to. Would you like for someone to "review" you like that in a business situation?
Kittenz  +   2173d ago
He also called out Edge, their review spelled out what they didn't like about it but he felt they had something against him by mentioning him in the article. I can understand being upset with people who make things up that don't exist, so I can't fault him for it. But still you don't see many developers bothering to refute reviews.
RedDragan  +   2173d ago
Kittenz, Edge were syaing what they didn't like about it well before anyone had the game for review and all they did was repeat what they said a WHOLE YEAR before, even though nothing about what they said actually existed in the game.

It was as if they hadn't played it because they didn't even describe any scene at all. They didn't even mention anything about the consquences of making a different decision.

To put it simply, Edge did not play the game and decided the review a full year before the game had been seen by anyone... but the Bayonetta for 360 had a better review!? Kinda strange eh?

Either way, Edge is a joke anyway and none of the reviewers there are respected so I don't know why he even acknowledged them. Personally I think all Dev's should not bother sending them games for review, just let the blog die out. Because that is all Edge really is... a glorified blog.
tplarkin7  +   2174d ago
Sony goggles.
Anyone that gives a game with fixed cameras and QTEs more than a 7/10 is not seeing straight.
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RedDragan  +   2173d ago
Anyone rating a game they have never played needs their head examined!
cmrbe  +   2174d ago
David is a very vocal person
like the other David lol!. Good thing is they both deliver where it matters.
djfullshred  +   2174d ago
It seems that everyone & their brother has a game review website these days. You have to take a lot of these sites with a grain of salt, because they are here today, gone tomorrow basement projects created by enthusiasts as opposed to unbiased reviewers.
foxxy  +   2174d ago
If you say you dont like havey rain story
What do you like halos? heavy rain has very good pacing and it immerses you i cared so much and it wasnt about me or my stats or what i wanted to get i cared about the chracters.
chrisulloa  +   2174d ago
Oh god, even Sony devs are immature.
Das_Bastardion  +   2174d ago
Actually David Cage is Right
Heavy Rain is not a perfect game, but is indeed one of the best games of this generation

There're stupid mogoloids out there like Jim Sterling and some of the Edge "writers" that loves to bash Ps3 exclusives more than going out and pick up some chicks

I wish the same sould be said of a Sony pro writer... but i cant think of one right now... help please...

Now Im wondering which Ps3 pro site is gonna bash Alan Wake
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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi_  +   2174d ago
"The producer also has some words for notoriously hard-to-please EDGE magazine. Commenting how the avant-garde magazine is “not what it was,” Cage was not surprised by the score (7/10) the UK mag gave his latest game. After three months of “unpleasant items on Heavy Rain” featured in the publication before the review was published (and two negative articles before the preview was even accessible), Cage states the review was “predictable.”

EDGE magazine SUCKS!!! :-/

+ YAWN...i bet they have given Halo Reach a 10/10 and Alan Wait a 10/10 even before they have played them!!! ;-D
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mcnablejr  +   2174d ago
that aint rain.
those are tears.

JasonPC360PS3Wii  +   2173d ago
Your game is an 8.7 on meti and getting lower
Monolith  +   2173d ago
yea cause you know that should stop people from having a blast playing the game, i love the game, but i guess i shouldnt because you said it got an 8.7 om meta like it and your grown up how
BLADE_X8  +   2173d ago
People have the right to their opinion...
My thing is this: if you opinion is flawed with personal and un educated biases, then you are irrelevant. People take bubbles from me and I get bubbles....based off what i say about their game/platform. I try to give the brutal honest truth, no matter the cost.

if Heavy Rain (and Killzone 2, Uncharted 1 and 2, LBP, and MGS4) were released on the Xbox 360, people would go crazy over it. Xbox 360 has great stuff, just like the Wii, PC, and PS3....but it comes down to what the individual gamer likes. Personally, I think Halo and GTA are played, recognized what these games are doing. I won't buy them, but to say they suck, before even playing or seeing a PS3 is ridiculous to me. Heavy rain is awesome, just like Mass Effect 2 is. (Can't wait to play it this holiday season....AND IT WILL BE OUT ON THE PS3 BY HOLIDAY 2010!)
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