Killzone 2 Has 72% More Head Polygon Count than Halo: Reach

Split-Screen: "There have been numerous visual comparisons between Bungie's upcoming Halo: Reach and Guerrilla Games' Killzone 2. Now it's time to let the numbers do the talking and tell you for real which game looks better."

[Mista T]

oh my god, it's gonna get hot in here, let's get it on! :P

[Nike]

Lol. True that. Though I don't see how people can argue against plain numbers. >:)

@Killjoy: Ah yes, the sales figures thing. Well, a Halo title like ODST sold well on it's very week but I enjoyed 20 minutes of Resistance 2 far, far more than the entire campaign of ODST. I'm keeping an open mind for Reach because it has potential but after ODST, i'm remaining skeptical.

[gaffyh]

Very true, but I could have said this without having any technical knowledge, because Killzone 2 simply looks better than most console games, and there are only really 2 or 3 games that even come close to the graphical quality of Killzone 2, and they are all on PS3 only. The cell is optimized to be a polygon pusher.

Edit: Just remembered something, Drake's hair in Uncharted 2 is 2000 polygons on it's own! Whereas the entire head in Halo Reach is 1300 polygons http://www.ps3center.net/ne...

Doesn't mean Reach will look horrible, or be a bad game, but it will look nowhere near as good as KZ2, which fanboys seem too blind to accept. PS3 is technically more superior this gen, and it has been proven time and time again, so please fanboys, do not compare Halo Reach to PS3 exclusives, it's just sad. And yes, I am getting Halo Reach when it releases, I'm just not blind to the truth.

LMAO @ Bungie down there, haha.

[Jamegohanssj5]

Inb4bungieandhislulz.

TGSI

[deadreckoning666]

Anyone who ever said Reach would topple KZ2 in graphics is 100% foolish. 360 fans should start emphasizing Reach's multiplayer features and sandbox gameplay, because in that respect, Reach will be untouchable. I still ain't gettin a 360 though.

"Reach is using a superior engine so they can do all this with co-op,map editor,file sharing,film capture,more and better AI"

Yeah, Halo Reach looks GREAT but not KZ2 level. IMO, Bungie is making the RIGHT choice in concentrating on GAMEPLAY over GRAPHICS. Halo has NEVER been a graphical powerhouse, Halo has been known for having the most COMPLETE multiplayer experience on consoles.

@Killjoy- Exactly! Ya kno its funny. Fanboys are so quick to compare Killzone 2 and Reach graphically, but when its obvious that Reach blows KZ2 away in features and variety in gameplay, NO ONE compares these aspects. Its hilarious!

[Bungie]

wow and yet Reach look superior !!!

Reach is using a superior engine so they can do all this with co-op,map editor,file sharing,film capture,more and better AI ,etc

OMG Bungie is gods

[Nike]

@deadreckoning666:

Exactly. Hey, I'm grateful Bungie updated the visuals for Reach, but I want to know more about the gameplay. Even games like F.E.A.R., back when it was considered a graphical marvel, didn't hook me unless it had gameplay to back it up. It's foolish to have these expectations after ODST, but Bungie is making some actual, real changes this time around, so I remain hopeful.

[rroded]

still reach is looking like its nicer looking than h3 n thats better than we can say for the last one...
n really are a few polygons gonna make it or break it? fact is if it improves on h3 and takes the franchise in a new direction they got something ta b proud about.

[Killjoy3000]

At first, it was quite easy to laugh at your comments. But now, I just find myself toting my head in shame.

[C-R-E-A-M]

Tell something dont know!!!!! Just imagine the polygon count for the gun.

[chidori666]

obviously killzone 2 has better graphics, physics, and light engine PERIOD.

killzone 2=

http://www.psu.com/media/ki...

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...

http://images.eurogamer.net...

errrrr.. halo reach=

http://xbox360media.ign.com...

http://www.gamesuniverse.co...

and lol imagine killzone 3 in e3 video... :)

[2Spock]

I could really care less about Halo reach. But honestly numbers mean nothing it is how visually it compares. And even then it will be hard to compare considering Reach will be a sandbox game with color, where as killzone is gloomy with very tight maps.

[TheLog]

How about that hehe. Of course Killzone 2 looks better its as linear as a shoe lace with no exploration element, short single player.

Enjoy your 6hr game guys. Peace...
:)

[FACTUAL evidence]

We should all know by now, that ps3 has the higher quality graphics, there is no arguing with that. 360 fanboys want the 360 to be equal if not better than the ps3 so bad, but we all knew what was more powerful since uncharted 1....hell since resistance 1!

I'm saying that, only SONY could compete with themselves. There is just no competition between the graphical power betweeen ps3, and 360. Like the above titles i said, it proved that, but not only that, one of 360's so called "power houses" looked like a ps2 game compared to KZ2...and this was known as 360's BEST at the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watc... <---

On top of that, MS newest exclusive looks great! That's alan wake, but it's been in development for almost 6 years....and the downer, yet truth is that uncharted 2 still looks better. There is no need to even bring up ps3's HUGE power houses like God of War 3, everyone saw what was going on there. Fanboy or not, you all know the ps3 is a beast for it's raw power, and sony were telling/warning everyone about the ps3's capabilities. Not trying to be funny but, there's always next gen MS.

[swiftshot93]

I love how people are changing the subject. "bu bu but halo has bigger scalezzz11!!!"

Stop changing the damn subject. i could talk about how the physics and animation in KZ2 kicks the sh1t out of Halo: Reach. This article is about visuals, and KZ2 sacrificed processing power for other things besides visuals just like Reach.

Take note: This is not a smack on Reach. LOL Im getting Reach day 1 theres no way Im missing out on it. But Im not blind either.

[Saaking]

KZ2 looks way better than Halo Reach. I honestly don't understand why 360 fans want to set themselves up for failure. By the time Reach releases, KZ2 will be nearly 2 years old and Reach will STILL not come close to it's graphical level.

[Maddens Raiders]

damn, Jamegohanssj5 you're a clairvoyant lol.

On topic
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Is this really surprising? Honestly, just take a look at the abortion which is FFXIII.

Let's get real people - we're in a new age - a new decade and one system was built for the (((long))) haul and some others weren't. People who disagree with that are simply not being realistic. KILLZONE 2 is the best looking fps to date and I shudder to think what GG will do to up the ante. It's amazing and so true - SNE devs real competition ------- is themselves.

[Carlton Banks]

But Reach will still look better right guyz?

[2Spock]

But the fact how all these d@mn sonyfanboys complain in GT5 articles and game articles that show footage early always defend the game and say well it is still a ways away. Well same thing implies for reach also. You guys are already comparing KZ2 a finished game to a alpha Reach. That just shows how much reach is already impressive. And i am positive it will look quite a bit better 7 months down the road from now.

[ludabenza]

Reach is not even out yet, for you to say that it looks better. I am not saying that Halo Reach cannot reach Killzone 2. However what I am saying is that comparing both of these games now does not really make any sense.

Halo Reach does look good, but only time will tell whether it will look and be technically superior to Killzone 2.

Anyway for me I think that Halo Reach is certainly what Halo 3 should have been or reached. ;-)

That's at least from what Bungie illustrated within that vidoc video.

[morganfell]

So it's another for the ignore bin. If you can't comment based on personal experience then you are simply blabbering the first thing that pops into your head and it would constitute nothing of interest.

And you guys seriously need to understand how to handle bungie. He is like any 6 year old screaming for attention. Just ignore him and you take away the only thing that allows him to exist.

[swiftshot93]

WHAT. THE. F1CK?

Why the hell would GT5 graphics need defending? Have you seen that game?

The attention to detail is insane, I have no idea wtf you're talking about.

[SilentNegotiator]

"You guys are already comparing KZ2 a finished game to a alpha Reach"

If you think that Bungie is going to increase the polygon count by so much as it takes to come anywhere NEAR Killzone 2 in the future just because it's currently in alpha (And soon to be beta), you're just not getting it.

[van-essa]

One is a sandbox with 4 player split-screen and tons of features, while the other has superb graphics but falls flat when you compare it to the other in terms of scale and features.

These are just facts, I'd like you guys to counter my arguments instead of slamming "disagree".

[Bungie]

@ludabenza

do you really think Reach will be worst than Halo 3?

KZ2 got compared with Halo 3,and got called a "Halo Killer" and now look which one got killed.

as for grafix from what i and many other gamers seen, Reach surpassed KZ2, nuff said

[execution17]

took me 10 hrs to get to Radec on normal,
took me 5 hrs to finish Halo 3 on Elite, just imagine the time i'd have to put in if i played KZ2 on the hardest difficulty

[ludabenza]

Well that happens both ways. I remember when they first showed Killzone 2 and EGM's Dan Hsu labbelled Killzone 2 as the "Dumbest A.I" and Halo 3 with the "Smartest A.I".

That was hardly a fair comparison considering Killzone 2 was always going to release much later at the time than Halo 3. Since Halo 3 was announced for the fall of that year.

So these things can happen both ways. Need proof look no further than here.

http://www.gamestooge.com/2...

[2Spock]

No you just don't get it. If you would have read my previous post. Poly count really means squat, and no they wont improve the poly count. This is just a way for fanboys to downplay of what is going on already with Reach in alpha stage plain and simple. And if you have a hard time understanding the last 3-4 months they do massive amount of graphics tweaking then you just wont understand anything.

[KRUSSIDULL]

Reach also got 72% more heads on screen at once than Killzone.

[thegood33]

Cmon people, we all know polygon counts are all that matter on N4G! Nevermind the fact that Reach will utterly destroy Killzone on every single aspect of gameplay.

[Bungie]

@ KRUSSIDULL

ROFLMAO you cracked me up dude

@ thegood33

Halo 3 already did that

[morganfell]

You just obliterated your own argument. If you go back and look at H2 Alpha footage, H3 Alpha footage, and ODST Alpha footage, the graphics ALWAYS dropped in quality. They never went up. So don't expect HALO Reach to get better. It won't. Bungie starts out with a lofty goal and then once the production hits and they start trying to run their prototype on an actual 360, they have to scale back.

The Bungie HALO 3 comments in the Vid doc about the reveal trailer by Frankie and also by Marcuy Leto are a classic example. "That's real. That's our engine."

And the retail game looked nothing like that. History, especially repeating history, is a mean wench.

[Hoggy1983]

172% more of a life than the people interested in "head polygon counts"

[ludabenza]

No of course not. I'm expecting Reach to be much better. What I'm saying is that Reach appears to be the game that I expected from Halo 3.

Well yes of course people have called this game and that game a Halo killer. But the truth is that no other game can kill Halo. That's because its an established IP with a popular fanbase of followers.

Believe it or not Bugie but Killzone 2 was actually a good game, just like Halo 3. Of course Halo 3 was always destined to sell more considering its history, not to mention the history of Killzone series.

My main point is that there's plenty of things that you have not seen from Halo Reach yet to make an informed judgement. Your just going off your initial impressions, which is fair enough but not conclusive by anything.

[SilentNegotiator]

That's right, Halo fanboys. You cant have graphics AND gameplay.
Oh wait, that's right, there's Killzone 2.

"Reach also got 72% more heads on screen at once than Killzone"
Play the level where you breach the city....if you even HAVE Killzone 2.

.
Hi Ludabenza. Guess who.

@Below
Of course you did, because you've actually played the game.

[morganfell]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[Utalkin2me]

No he did not. You my friend are jumping on this bandwagon and you do not have a full understanding of programming my friend. Halo1,2,3 and ODST was on the same core engine. But they updated the engine several times. Halo reach is a new engine and with a new engine the team will get a better understanding as they go along of what they can improve on how to get it to run better. So yes with a new engine there will be big improvements to the game near the end of it's stage.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Whew, so much spinning going on.I'm getting dizzy!

Fact is, Killzone 2 completely crushes Halo reach.There is no comparison.Doing so will only set you up for disappointment when halo reach comes out.

LOL! I love the irony in all this.When killzone 2 launched halo 3's gameplay was all that mattered right? Graphics didn't mean nothing.
Now, Graphics are everything right? Hypocrites.

[van-essa]

The argument here isn't whether Killzone 2 is good or better than Halo 3. I think we all agree that both games are respectively good.

The question here is; "does Killzone 2 look better than the Halo Reach alpha build (probably going to look better than the final build too)?
And the answer is yes.
But if you strip Halo from all it's features and made it a "corridor shooter" I'm pretty sure the game would receive a big bump in the graphics department as well.

Add coop or split-screen to Killzone and you'll see the game would probably not look as good as it does.

[mastiffchild]

Oh, whatever, isn't the point that Reach is a big step forwards in the AI, size of open worlds and so on. the brushed up performance and engine getting better visuals than Halo3 is just another aspect of the improvements Bungie are making, aren't they? I don't imagine matching the looks of KZ2 is either really possible in a more open setting or really something they're aiming for.

Jesus the all round visual and game size improvements(in SP) over Halo3 are already pretty apparent(whether moving away from things which people think of AS Halo, like the brighter colours etcetera, is going to please ALL Halo fans, however, is a mystery at this time. I WANTED Halo to move forwards and even I'm not convinced that being gritty like a million other shooters(who all sell fewer games than Halo in any case)is really the right move for Bungie but it's exciting none the less!)

Does anyone seriously expect Reach to look better than KZ2 visually? I can't see it from any of the actual in game screens(one's where you can see the gun for example)and never thought it would be a concern for Bungie seeing what other things they want to do with the game. Jesus, it doesn't NEED to do that when no other sandbox/semi sandbox game even approaches what GG have done in a linear game. The mind boggles, it really does.

[ludabenza]

I completely agree. Lmao at some of these comments. 72% more onscreen now that made me laugh. It's funny to see when people pull thing directly out of thin air and make these things up.

But I guess that you do not really give a holy cow about what they've got to say. ;-)

[morganfell]

No utalkin, you are in error. It isn't the engine that is the issue, but rather Bungie's modus operandi. Otherwise past iterations would have gone up in quality FOR THAT PARTICULAR ENGINE.

But this isn't the case. They are a great dev team that has one classic fault. And all dev teams have at least one. Their's happens to be their inability to get a target down early on. This is without regard to the engine.

Add to this the H3 engine was the revamped version of one with which they had been working for 7 years. If any engine allowed them to estimate a proper target it would have been that one. Programming isn't the issue per se. It's their estimation of whatever technology they are using at the time that is the problem.

Sorry, but facts as Mark Twain said, are stubborn things.

[megacheak]

Very stupid article! Suitable only mindless fans. It is better to compare in-game model of Marines in the Reach and game model of Hellgast. And if we compare the models main characters, the game models to Reach almost the same as in the opening CG clip in KZ2. Game Models in Reach are an order of magnitude more polygons ... And about the texture of characters I just keep silent. But to argue with a fan ps3 - just hopeless.

A couple of pictures:

KZ2:
http://i.piccy.info/i4/86/2...
http://i.piccy.info/i4/b9/9...
http://i.piccy.info/i4/eb/d...

Halo Reach:
http://www.bungie.net/image...
(only polygons) http://i.piccy.info/i4/c3/5...
http://i.piccy.info/i4/fa/1...
http://i.piccy.info/i4/15/6...

[proximately]

What is funny is that people care to the extent that you do and that you use gameplay as a last resort. Since you admit defeat on the graphics department you run away to your other department... let's call it "gameplay" for now. Then you use it to prove that since Killzone 2 has awesome graphics, it automatically means that Halo must have better gameplay.

I like that logic. But to me, both games are so different in gameplay (other than that it's a first person shooter of course xD) that it's stupid to compare them in that department. I've enjoyed both Halo 3, ODST and Killzone 2 a lot. Looking forward to spending more time with them in the future too :-) . See you there!

[popup]

I am just glad that the recent Crysis2 engine benchmark figures and their explanations have yet to make it to this site. World war 3 may still be avoided!!!!

[ludabenza]

Well if you read some of my other previously posted comments, you would see that I already understood the question. My response was basically that it was too early to compare Halo Reach to Killzone 2 because Reach had not been released. Not to mention there's only a limited amount of gameplay footage out there.

That response that you just responded to me, was in response towards Bungie's question of whether I thought Halo 3 would be better than Reach. My answer was that Reach appears to be much better and that's what I would have expected from Halo 3 when it first released.

[IaMs12]

KZ 2 is an awesome looking game, i still want to play it, and Reach is shaping up to be the best Halo yet but just because KZ2 may have more poly count doesnt mean it looks better. Visually its all in a matter of opinion as in number well are facts. What i mean is Bungie might be able to "match" the quality of KZ model with less polygons. Im not saying they did or they are, but im just pointing out that these are 2 different developers, they do it 2 different ways. Hope you get what im saying, kind of hard to explain it in words.

[ape007]

fanboy crap, you know that these comparisons are the most retarded thing in this planet, you know why??

1-reach is still in alpha phase

2-it made you guys forgetting about all the other great gameplay of halo Reach and kz2, just gfx gfx gfx, like I said "hey hey look nate's armpit got more polygons that marcus fenix butt"

3-it will make middle aged men fighting over stupid console WAR

im sure that Reach will be a better game than kz2, halo reach has a lot in store since it's using a powerful engine and new setting, while you can neglect the tech factor in affecting the impact of it in the next kz game cause it's already been proven, bungie got more in teh tank than guerella game and can show a major difference

you see I getting sick and tired of this, n64 days, ps2 days, there was no fanboy crap in those good old days, this gen is amazing, one of the best ever, unfortunately, fanboy crap interrupt your daily game dosage

grow up, everyone play his favorite soul mate console and shut the FUK UP!!

this site screams, sadness, desperation and insecurity, it's like we are no longer play games, we now enjoy flaming and sales more than actually paying and have fun, Im pretty sure an article like "ff xbox 360 version worse' gonna make you more happy than playing your ps3 24\7, even you guys give a kiddy look about VG, you PROVE THAT ACTUALLY

[Hoolock]

We are comparing a main characters polygon model to a foot soldier who will have a non part in Halo. Compare an actual central character of Halo to Rico. Oh and the whole kZ2 light stuff, it is pre-baked BTW not real time. Halo's lighting is real time... just saying dont burn.

[deadreckoning666]

"I love how people are changing the subject. "bu bu but halo has bigger scalezzz11!!!"

Stop changing the damn subject. i could talk about how the physics and animation in KZ2 kicks the sh1t out of Halo: Reach."

Yet, its okay when PS3 fanboys cry and moan about the one year headstart the 360 had in EVERY sales related article.

Dude, the fact that Reach is a bigger scale is the REASON why its not as graphically impressive as Killzone 2. Lets see what KZ2 would look like if GG put all the features Halo 3 had into Killzone 2!

[Jamegohanssj5]

ROFLMAO Bungie never ceases to amaze me.

TGSI

[Lord Vader]

Nice comparison of an NPC in an unreleased game to a lead character in a finished game. Really, i dont think the graphics will be better... & KZ2 doesnt offer vids, vehicles, sandbox maps, or CO-OP.

Like deadreckoning666 said, we wont get into physics, animation or AA.

Thank God Halo Reach's controls & MP will be 72% better than KZ2 = LOL

[Mr Logic]

Best piece in the article.

"It actually seems that even Killzone 1 has a higher head polygon count than Reach, with 1800 to 1300."

[skip2mylou]

@the log..... 6hrs my a$$ on easy yeah its six hrs but if you change it to a different level setting then its easily 10+ hrs of gaming.

@helgan666
use better pictures instead of small 800*600 pictures because it does no justice to killzone2 and reach

[xXjxXdOggY]

lol very well put..really nothing else needs to be said, killzone 2 looked good. The bland environments and mediocore game play just goes to show that sony can try and try again but they will never have themselves a game/cult following such as halo. Thats just facts, and thing is i can not find myself to get into halo never invested any amounts of time i any halo games besides the co op to beat the game and never play it again. For me best/most fun shooter is gears of war 1. Gears 2 was ruined with the nerfed shotty and those horribly lame smoke bomb blasts

[pixelsword]

/s

NOT a big deal.

It's only because the cell can process more triangles, so you can add more than you can for the 360's processor... what was it, the PowerPC 970, I think? Anyways, Halo: Reach may lose in some technical counts, but the heart and soul of the game is what matters in the end. Just like how MAG proved that the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.

I'm sure everyone knows by now I'm a Halo fanboy, so you can take or leave what I said, but it still applies if you look not only rationally, but with your guts.

[bpac123456789]

I made a post a little while ago on system wars to try and show which game was better.

I think its pretty good

http://www.gamespot.com/pag...

TELL ME WHAT YOU GUYS THINK

[Death2494]

Halo:(milk me too much) Reach will look great, for a 360 game. But people it won't come close to Killzone 2 quality.

[DevastationEve]

If KillZone2 really has this much balls than why hasn't it attracted Halo 3's following? It would make sense that any game claiming to be superior to Halo would at least be able to produce the same level of interest and sales as Halo. But it doesn't, and it won't. 200,000+ players online daily is something most console online shooters can't touch. Because they can't touch Halo.

The truth is that KillZone was never anything more than Sony catching up with Halo. And their idea of catching up to Halo is to do what they always do: hype the graphics first before anything else. It can have 72% more head polygons and still have 0% heart, and that's because all they want from KillZone is the simple satisfaction that they have a title like Halo on their console. They won't push the title where it matters most, only where PS3 fanboys seem stuck for the rest of their lives.

Arguing visuals.

[Immortal321]

but those 360fans take the cake! they don't leave any slices either.

[pixelsword]

That was pretty good.

I only disagree with a couple of points.

1. Killzone 2 showed multiple vehicles when the space cruisers of the ISA were being attacked by leech-pods and they were evacuating on Intruders. It's a weak argument, for sure, but it does count on come level... although I personally believe that they had to be low-polygon representations of both vehicles.

2. Halo: Reach's open-ended boards will be great if it has multiple starting points throughout the game other than the initial starting point like Metal Gear Solid 4 had. but not only that, if there were multiple targets to assault within the area, giving it an almost sandbox-like feel then THAT would be great. I believe that ODST was just a Reach beta, and if that is the case, ODST kinda felt like a wide linear path in which you can make your decisions. I think that in the end it will outshine ODST by far, but for now we'll have to wait until we see some gameplay to nail this one down.

Not a bad job.

[pixelsword]

"Dude, the fact that Reach is a bigger scale is the REASON why its not as graphically impressive as Killzone 2"

Dead, when people tried to explain that about MAG, what did YOU say?

"1. Quantity doesn't equal quanlity"
http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

This is what I'm talking about in terms of flip-flopping: a point is valid and rational when applied unilaterally. If not, your bias taints any future points you make, and makes your reputation stink.

[dachiefsman]

ima countn my poligons duRH...

God of War III could have looked like the HD God of War collection and I still would have bought it.

Gameplay > graphics.

Reach has improved graphics, not KZ2 maybe, but hell I bet it will be fun as hell. Some people really need to get out more often then flying your <insert console> flag like a dog foaming at the mouth.

[deadreckoning666]

How was I flip-flopping? In reference to M.A.G, I said quantity doesn't equal quality as in the vast NUMBER OF PLAYERS in M.A.G has nothing to do with how good the game will be. The sandbox environments in Reach are BIGGER than KZ2s and have a sandbox style element to them not present in KZ2. Thats part of QUALITY not QUANTITY.

Sandbox style environment(quality)
256 players in M.A.G(quantity)

So NO, I didn't flipflop

@sikbeta- Yes, I know KZ2 is epic on elite even though I'm still stuck on the balcony part of the last level where you face of with Radec, however even though I know KZ2 is epic that doesn't make me blind. There are plenty of things both Halo and Killzone do better than each other and do worse than each other. I embrace them both, I don't stick to one side.

Idk where PS3 fanboys get the audacity to talk crap about Reach for its graphics when KZ2 has no vehicles, no co-op, no online co-op, no map editor, inferior stat tracking to Halo 3, no save and replay feature etc.

EDIT: Ur twisting my words. I never said there was a problem with the amount of players in M.A.G, I'm saying that the fact that there are 256 players max is no different than having say 60+ players on a map as far as the quality of the game is concerned. M.A.G could have had less players and smaller maps and it wouldn't make a difference in the quality of the game.

Quality involves gameplay, sound, polish etc.. From what I hear M.A.G accomplishes these things very well. I just prefer Bad Company 2 more

[sikbeta]

@deadreckoning666

Pal, is the same way xbox fanboys talk about How Amazing Multiplat Games look on the x360 and How the PS3 ports $µCK$, Remember Bayonetta? just deal with it

Anyway KZ2 on ELITE is EPIC...

Gamers FTW!!!

Edit:

@above

What's the Problem with the Quantity of Players in MAG, The Game is Awesome, just cuz you can't play lone-wolf doesn't mean is a Bad Game, Cooperation and Tactics are the Key on the Game and by that is More Frustrating/Enjoyable at the Same time that any other lone-wolf ala MW Game...

[MGSR THE HD VERSION]

................don't make me laugh.

"nods head"

killzone2's characters are made up of 11,000 polygons, 4,000 of which goes to the head. you want poof there it is. http://74.200.65.90/showpos...

http://parkablogs.com/conte...

.......that was discovered ages ago.

"split-screen.com" was comparing halo reach's NPCs to killzone2's main characters, look at it. lolz, EPIC FAIL!!

Reach can have 60 of those guys on the field, http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

these guys should be comparing the spartans them selves. http://www.gamersyde.com/po...

[Tiberium]

so they're comparing Rico, a main character, to a marine. FAIL.
Next time compare Rico to a spartan with his helmet off.

[Dandiego]

Killzone 2 has flowty and straight up bad controls... Halo isnt much better but better. COD has it down with controls if they would lower the auto aim then it would be perfect. I dont care about graphics as much as controls... gameplay is key so this is again Sony employees writing stuff on this blog. They have a division to write stuff like this on blogs I'm 100% sure

[davekaos]

@ Bungie and the 1.6 comment

160 disagree's, well lets make that 161 and i think ill also take 1 of them bubbles for the fact your a complete moron

[Foliage]

No surprise there. The PS3 is of course a lot more powerful technical-wise than the 360.

As an example, look at God of War 3, and compare it with the 360 game... hm... I guess there are no 360 games worth talking about.

[emk2004]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[mega BIG time]

KILLZONE 2 is like dating a really hot chick that is retarded and doesn't put out. You can wack off to it all you want but eventually your going to lower your standards to have a good time.

[mythamp]

Does HALO Reach have a new engine? I am sure I heard it was a vastly UPDATED Engine, but not a NEW ENGINE developed from the ground up. Kindly if anyone can clarify that for me, would really appreciate it.

[Ausbo]

stupid xbox fanboys have to realize that the ps3 is more powerful

stupid ps3 fanboys have to realize that the xbox is a year older tech.

the console war is so f'g stupid

[Shepherd 214]

This website isnt stating where it obtained the Bungie image of the marine, so how do we know these numbers are even accurate.

Even if they were accurate, this dodgy website is comparing a random marine that is one of dozens that you will see during Halo Reach's campaign to one of the main characters of Killzone 2. Of course the main cahracters of any game will have more detail than the lesser important character models. Why do they not compare one of the higher detailed spartans of your squad to Rico from Killzone 2?

I love this biased site.

[kevinx1000]

woa it's hot in here :P
i'm not surprised about this. killzone = graphics only. halo has it all.
Lol @ the kids coming with the pre-pre alpha Reach screens again.

"Does HALO Reach have a new engine? I am sure I heard it was a vastly UPDATED Engine, but not a NEW ENGINE developed from the ground up. Kindly if anyone can clarify that for me, would really appreciate it."

the completely gutted the engine, added suff and updated it.
compare it with getting a new pc, but almost the same casing... if that makes sense.

[Digitaldude]

I really hate these articles.
I'm not a fan of Halo at all but why are Halo fanboys trying to prove it looks better than Killzone 2? It will not.
However it may provide better community aspects. Look at Halos strengths, Graphics are not one of them.

[vhero]

but the 360 fanboys love to use numbers... This is gonna sting!

[snoopgg]

First off, I'm sure Reach will and should improve upon Halo 3. I am not biased against any console, I own both 360 and ps3. But here is the hypocracy I see thats happenning. When MAG pushed the level and scale of play, all 360 fanbots were complaining that the graphics sucked, when in fact they are quite good for all the technical stuff going on in that game. Tons of people playing at one time. Mag was all about the gameplay, not graphics, but the bots complained and said graphics are more important. Now, they are saying that graphics can take second cause Halo Reach will have gameplay advatages. Make up your minds, is it graphics or gameplay you think is most important. Another example, was when they said Forza 3 had better looking grass then Gt5, but fail to mention how many more cars are racing at one time on the ps3compared to on the 360. Here they talk shat about minor grass graphics, while ignoring the superior gameplay and graphicsof Sony's yet unreleased racer. I'm sure we will get that grass detail up. This is the hypocracy I am seeing in here right now. Is it about graphics, gameplay or sales!!!!! It doesn't matter to me, as long as the game is fun and entertainingSome of Killzones2 multiplayer maps were some of the biggest I have ever seen in FPS, and it looked the same in multiplayer as it did in single player. That something, that few games on consoles very rarely ever can pull off. If were summing up graphics, there is no way Halo Reach will beat Killzone 2. Gameplay, Halo Reach will have more options and sales. Inconclusion, play the game that does it for you. I will be waiting for Killzone 3.

[Lich120]

No, numbers dont do the talking. Look at crysis, those numbers will blow pretty much any game out of the water... yet, if you ask me, Uncharted 2 looks better than crysis.

[SixZeroFour]

wow...poly count doesnt really prove much...you can make a box out of 6 polygons, and a duplicate of that exact same box out of 24 polygons, but there is no difference in size or shape, does that mean the 24 polygon box is better than the exact same shape and sized 6 polygon box? i really dont think so

if bungie is using less polys and achieving about the same visually appealing head, that just means that they are more efficient in where and how they use their polygons

[mega BIG time]

i lost a bubble for my comment above LOL! Somebody can't take a lil pretentious kz2 jab, can they?

[MNicholas]

The armor was designed for geometric simplicity and always has. Because of the 360's unified shaders, by lowering polygon counts they can use more hardware resources for pixel shaders.

Sadly, from what we've seen, even that aspect is not particularly impressive.

Metro2033, for example, blows away Halo Reach.

[MovieScouse007]

[Montrealien]

It's not the amount of coloring crayons that you have, its what you draw with them that counts.

[Killjoy3000]

Lets be honest here, people that were claiming Reach could outshine Killzone 2 were completely foolish from the offset. Bungie is going to be drowning in his own tears. These days, you simply cannot have any unrealistic expectations for what the 360 hardware can pull off. All that awaits is disappointment.

[Nike]

The thing is, the Xbox 360, while not capable of something like Killzone 2, is still capable of things that look better than Reach. This is, again, from a pure numbers perspective. In my opinion, I always found Gears 2 to look better than Reach.

[Killjoy3000]

I find Alan Wake to be the most spectacular looking game on the system, even with its corner cutting tricks. Gears 2 is far too small in sheer environmental scale to even compete with many games. The scope of the level design in Gears of War games is what most likely allows Epic to full off visuals like that.

What's exciting about Reach though is the fact that the levels are very large and have large amounts A.I. scampering around the game world. This is far more sophisticated than what is seen in any Unreal Engine game. Even Gears of War. Lets not forget the extremely good shadowing (For what the 360 is capable of, again, it's pretty impressive.)

[Nike]

Very true. The scale of Reach, heck even of Halo 3, is something that always managed to trump Gears. And I agree that Reach, for a Halo title, has decided to use some shadowing for the proper grim atmosphere. After watching Halo: Legends, there's no doubt in my mind that so long as Bungie has that proper art direction to go with the future grim military atmosphere, Reach can buck the trend of Halo being an FPS for more casual gamers. Kind of similar to what Omega4 says: Great graphics don't make for great gameplay, but if these graphics help bring out the true Halo atmosphere, then it's as successful as Killzone 2's are. Still won't look as good, but accomplishes it's goal.

I'm personally very unsure about Wake. Just another one of those games I need to play to be able to fully appreciate. I do think it will be the proper horror title for the 360 that Deadly Premonition is not (but then, Destructoid can be blamed for hyping it as such).

[Omega4]

And yet Halo:Reach will still be a far better game, incredible. Luckily graphics dont make a game, gameplay does.

[Killjoy3000]

Good thing Killzone 2 has the best of both. Stop pretending like you have a completed beta version of the full game. Gameplay is subjective across a multitude of gamers. Unfortunately for you and your Xbox, graphics aren't...

[Bungie]

i always thought KZ2 will beat Halo 3
but i was disappointed

maybe KZ3 will beat Halo 3 this time ?

@ArcFatalix

nope not sales , i was talking about quality

i know KZ2 is a quality game it's just not as good , that's all

[ArcFatalix]

Beat halo 3 in what? sales? booo casual games like halo3, MW2 sell more. microsoft did tons of advertising for halo3 otherwise it wouldnt have had so much sales.

gameplay is just a guys opinion, just because you cant have fun in one doesnt mean others will too.

@bungie 91 in metacritic I am sure killzone 2 is a quality game.

[iFLOWLIKEWATER]

Are people still comparing a linear shooter to an open world sandbox experience?

[Shadow017]

Like I said before halo franchise was never about the graphics more about the gameplay a lot of you 360owners were in true denial comparing halo reach to the graphical beast which is killzone2. Another argument out the window.

[NateDPG]

KZ2 beats Halo 3 in quality. Without the MS bribe I doubt Halo 3 would even be at 9. Probably below, just look what the Halo games got on PC hehe

[2Spock]

IMO GG should have worked less on the engine and more on the lackluster game it produced, single and multiplayer.

[Turin]

'i always thought KZ2 will beat Halo 3
but i was disappointed... maybe KZ3 will beat Halo 3 this time ?'

Bungie is in his own little world as usual, LOL. I do not see what people see in Halo 3, for me Killzone 2 and Gears of War 2 are superior to Halo 3. I suppose the little aliens with the squeaky voices are more your thing than the Brutal Helghast and Locusts of the latter two. Halo 3 AI is also one of the worst I have seen on this generation of consoles, sideways strafing was state of the art when Quake 2 came out but on current consoles its laughable.

[Dandiego]

Are you serious about Killzone 2 having good gameplay??? its horrible... all the critical website put flaws in that category. Its foaty, slow and accelerates on turns making for over or underturn. Its straight up bad.. On top of that i checked it out a the local Best Buy and I turned the caracter quickly and I saw how much blur is in the game (both on plasma and LCD so its in the game not the screen)... its insanely bad programing and this is just being critical... not fanboyical!! I have friends at Activision, EA and UBI and they all tell me the games use cheap techniques to make you believe but the effect is fake and this is visible if you are open to look at it (not being a fanboy)

[Udidntlistenpunk]

Dont you bots listen?

"but but but alan wake up"
"but but but the reachez"
"but but splintered and convicted"

They look like CRAP.

[chidori666]

LMAO!!!

but but the halo reach x engine!!!!

hahahhahahha

360 fans of halo got owned!

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi_]

...a xBox 360 game that looks as good as MotorStorm...1!!! ;-D

And that was a game that came out with the PS3 on day 1;)

xBox 360 was rushed out and is MAXED-OUT!!! ;-D

[Noble Spartan]

Halo Reach going to be awesome! Even the vidoc has better graphics then Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2

Killzone 2 failed hard, with poor sales and medicore gameplay no innovation linear corridor shooter.

Uncharted 2 Awesome game again linear and scripted game.

MAG ( Medicore action game ) heavy fail, damn this game failed hard.

Heavy Rain another fail poor start with Sony with MAG and Heavy rain. both MAG awful metacritic, heavy rain below 90% LOL with cheap plastic porn scenes for some teenagers and massive plot holes that the story dont even make sense.

Haze :- LOL

Ha killzone 2 poor story awful controls no one plays online. PS3 users mostly play multiplatform MW2.

LPB awful toy game.

MGS4 :- Yes awesome game! Only reason i got PS3 MGS! oh wait MGS francise now on XBOX 360! YES! PS3 has no triple AAA exclusive yet. They lost everything. Only one looks it will be triple AAA is GOW3. But it might fail aswell...it got 9/10 in Official playstation magazine....thats saying somthing.

PSN is failing bad awful service. way behind Xbox Live.

Looks like Halo Reach the final nail in the coffin for PS3.

Halo reach will be techincal master piece. HUGE open enviroments. 40 marine/ enemies + 20 vehicle AI all at once! whole game not scripted.

Not like failzone 2 maybe like 3 ai at once loool and some brown and greay poo colour graphics.

[W831SOLIDSNAKE]

Look at the gamer zone....OMG

BoT: " Bu bu bu teh Killzone is more closed inviorment" "Teh Teh HaiyLo is is OpeN"

what a bunch of morrons....If that would have anything to do with how a game looks then how come Fighting Games aren't the best looking genre??? Bots keep owning them selves... Hahahaha

[mcnablejr]

haha, mgs4 was main reason i bought my ps3, then it goes over to 360.. jesus.

[LtSkittles]

MGS4 isn't going to the 360, and neither is snake.

"John I didn't say anything about Solid Snake."

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Not a single game on the PS3 looks as good as Alan Wake or Metro 2033

[lociefer]

But But But Teh Reachz Around
Buh buH buH Teh Alan WaiT
BUt BUh Buh tEh SplinterZ
Buh Buht BUt teH laGAl
Buh BUh Buh Teh sAlezZ
Buh BUh ...
BUh...

[TheXgamerLive]

Ha ha, your pathetic sony wannabe's are so lost.

Your taking some art work from a game that took well over 5 years to make and is finished and comparing it to pre alpha art work?!!

The lows of the sony camp, just keep on getting lower, you girls are so pathetic.

OK, for the truth, the real truth, read here again in a day or two and you'll have the truth from Bungie, not a pre alpha rendering, ha ha ha, you girls kill me with laughter.

[Foliage]

Wow XGamer, every single day you astonish me with how you manage to keep getting dumber and dumber.

Everyone knows that unwrapping and texturing a character is the last step. You don't magically triple the polygons of a character this late into a project, especially not after you've unwrapped and textured the character. You would have to redo all your work, it would be extremely retarded, and is only something someone with no knowledge of the inner workings of the development process such as yourself, who would think of something so dumb.

P.S. Did you enjoy the latest GOW3 footage? It must sting a little, when the only console you own (360) can't match the graphics of a game on the PS3 that was released years ago, and the 360 has absolutely no chance of ever releasing a game like GOW3... it must sting. Luckily I'll never know the feeling, since the 360 has no games, and the PS3 is loaded.

Cry yourself to sleep little bot.

[Bungie]

i know droids are angry about not having any AAA game this year

but damn stop crying , instead of doing damage control go play KZ2, Oh wait can't find a match?hmmm oh well ,keep crying. i guess

[Hellsvacancy]

Wot r u talkin about u complete muppet, i played K2 last night, there was LOADSA people playin it, ill put it on now and c how many games there r bein played at present, ill report back soon

Wot it is is U dont like it 1-bit that the 360 has out dated graphics (and hardware) and more and more people r startin 2 notice it aswel (includin developers) the 360s playin catch up in that department

I laugh at u and give u the middle finger u sad little boy/girl (K2s just loaded up)

Edit, Yep, LOADSA people playin K2 (well they r here in the UK anyway) Me personally, cant b bothered 2 play K2 (too stoned) i just wanted 2 prove a point (if u believe me or not doesnt really matter, i know coz i just checked)

[yewles1]

Aww, the seven faces of Bungie all popped at once out in one comment. Looks like Bungie "snapped". XD

[Michael-Jackson]

Fail Grammar, just like all the bots on this site...oh wait, it's all you. I know your fail writing style, seriously the basic stuff is missing. Go back to school!

[Bungie]

lol 400 people play it world wide yay

[Hellsvacancy]

U REALLY r mentally challenged, y the hell does it matter how many people are playin online at any-1 time? as long as u (the player) can get in-2 a game thats full NOTHINELSE matters, i got in-2 a K2 map straight away and got hammered (im proper wasted)

[souljah]

There is no worst blind person that doesn't want to see. MARK MY WORDS.

[Thoreau]

both off you have posted 2 of the dummest comments i have seen. i doubt you have a ps3 noble spartan.....

my psn is southpaw79, just in case you want some ps3 competition or for the xbox360-heavens boxer-so when reach comes out i can smash you...

[W831SOLIDSNAKE]

There is nothing funnier then watching you jump arround like a Prison B!tch haahahaha WE have the best games admit it. WE have the best graphics. WE have the most advance console.

So shut ur trap or I'll have Kratos pound you a new Face u ugly son of a B..... LOL

[Tony Montana]

since you have ALL of those AAA games on your beloved Xbot 3fixme why don't you go play them then?
and WHY do you care about how many people play a certain game on a certain console that you do not own since all you have to care about is getting in a game that's full?
WHY do you always bring up the sales talk and brag all day about halo selling 10m?
these are the questiosn that always pop up in my mind when i read your comment....

[swice]

And there is no spoon

[L-Teezy]

oh how i would love to shoot that stupid look off your ugly face

[_vx]

Halo reach is a joke only a 10yr old douche would believe it is a next gen HQ game, where in fact it is only an Xbox 1 game with more shiny stuff
here is a simple equation for you
(Halo1>=Halo2=halo3=halo ODST=Halo reach)

[swice]

So you've played Reach have you? Does it really look that bad on your TV? Can you answer me that?

[Gamingisfornerds]

No.

Counting polygons doesn't make up which game looks better, it's the entire package that counts. That statement's just pure ignorance and even an insult to Killzone 2's visuals.

Having said that, Halo Reach's visuals have hardly impressed me and Killzone 2 does still look prettier. Not saying one is more impressive than the other in total, but in terms of pure eyecandy, Killzone 2 wins (from what I've seen so far).

[iFLOWLIKEWATER]

You probably should play more games, hell, even Brink looks better than KZ2 and its running at the moment, between 50-55 fps...on a 360 even.

Edit: Below, stay on topic son...

[NateDPG]

BWAHAHAHA put away the pot buddy, I mean you iFLOWLIKEWATER haha

[Gamingisfornerds]

Did I anywhere in my post say that no game looks better than Killzone 2? No, I did not. This is purely Halo Reach vs Killzone 2 (you do realise this article is about Killzone 2 vs Halo Reach, right?!).

Also, you make absolutely no sense whatsoever. You first say I should play more games, and then you go on about a game that hasn't been released yet.

You should definitely work on your trolling skills a bit more.

[The Wood]

iflowlikebitterlemons

booo hooo hooo click ignore....LMAO

[2Spock]

Well reach is also 7 months away alot of tweaks will be for sure. So it will look better 7 months from now, as all games do.

[Biggest]

Yeah. Just like Halo 3 improved their graphics from the alpha build of the wait a minute no they did not!

[Tarasque]

It is a different engine, when you produce a new engine you can always to learn to tweak the engine especially from the get go. That was the 3rd game that had been produced on that engine so really you could not produce anything better on that engine. Nice try though....youre comment is funny anyways.

[Biggest]

My comment was more for
"So it will look better 7 months from now, as all games do."

I know nothing about the new engine and don't really care. I just like to point out strange comments.

[mastiffchild]

Oh Iflow-Brink does NOT look better than KZ2 right now and has absolutely nothing to do with this whole argument. The reason this article even exists, imo, is because a lot of Halo fans were claiming some sort of visual victory over Killzone2-why I have no idea but that's what they were doing-and that's what the article addresses for me. Why, IDK, but I assume it was purely because of what we'd heard from the Halo massive the past few weeks.

I just didn't think with Halo Reach going further into the sandbox area that beating Killzone2's looks was on the cards as Bungie a, won't then be able to match KZ2 and 2, probably aren't EVEN thinking about trying with more important game aspects to worry about like AI, new engine etc, etc.

I'm really hyped to see just what they're going to come up with but "linear" is no dirty word, KZ2 is a great game, sandbox games are only one way of doing things and it remains to be seen how extending it for Halo SP will work. Why can't both be good? Personally, I played more KZ2 MP since it launched last year than I have Halo3 or since ODST arrived as Firefight was nothing new and I'm sick of every game having a damn "horde" mode". Honestly, I just felt I'd had enough of a very good thing with Halo3 after playing H2 and 3's MP for an eternity with no big changes on the gameplay front and KZ2 offered some well needed variety and individuality in MP feel and controls.

No reason to knck either game at all, not for me, and I hope they revitalise Halo MP for me as well as, maybe, them I'll renew my Live sub! Dedicated servers and bigger possible sides would be great as well!

[OlvaR]

Npc soldier vs main character...that's fair..

also. if you go to the artists online page you will see that this is just a bungie art test not an actual halo reach model... art tests are just a test drive when a dev is about to hire someone and they just want to test out his skills...(many people cheat on their portfolios)

[Biggest]

Rico isn't the main character! And just out of curiousity. . . If everyone is wearing helmets and blocky, full body armor, does it matter which one is the main character?

[higherARC05]

Do you know ANYTHING about game design?

Rico is a MAIN character of kz2. His character model has more poly's than a regular NPC.

So why compare a NPC from Halo: Reach to a main character model in kz2 where the poly is higher?

I already seen the Halo: Reach ViDoc and the face models EASILY beats Rico without a doubt.

OP of arcticle try getting the poly's of the Noble Team faces and see how they are compared to Rico's blocky head.

Also kz2 models are like Gears of War they are all blocky and huge for no reason. Their feet are like cinderblocks LMAO.

[Allowen]

Imagining that Halo Reach can actually have graphics to rival Killzone2 there will still be a problem.
The DVD9 lack of space.

Remember KZ2 is around 1.5-2G size on every stage of the game if I am not mistaken.
So if Halo Reach is as beautifull as a KZ2 it will still be a 2-4 hours campaign max.
You can't fit in a single DVD9 disk so many stages if the graphics are indead a match to KZ2's engine.

Anyways we never known, maybe Microsoft and Bungie developed a new uber engine that can put an amazing level of detail on the screen without requiring a lot of gigabytes of space.

[RadientFlux]

I don't really care about this article, as it just one of many flamebait articles on n4g.

Though I have to mention that there is no character model I would love to see a bullet go through its head, than Rico.

As his character almost ruined Killzone 2 for me and made forever a Helgast supporter.

[FanboyAttack]

Unfortunately more polygons don't equal more sales.

[Biggest]

In my case it does. Let's go through the list.

Killzone 2 - got it
Halo: Reach - won't have it

See? Killzone 2 wins!

[FanboyAttack]

Bottom line: Halo outsells killzone at least 4:1

[Halochampian]

Both look/ are looking great.

But to say that one looks better purely on a polygon count is foolish. Its not how many you have.. it's how you use them.

Now saying that, they are games that are going after two complete different looks so its pretty unfair to compare them to each other.

Personally, I liked the graphics in all the halo games. I still think they look great when i go back and play either of them.

You can sit hear and argue all you want. But graphics are subjective too. Art style counts a lot to graphics, just not the technical aspects of it. If the game is good, who should really care in the end?

[redneck_smith]

THE CONDUIT WII LOOKS BETTER THAN ANY HALO

[The Wood]

even without counting Killzone 2 is STILL the best looking FPS on consoles and that hurts some factions of this website. The gameplay aint half bad either. Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder BUT from the fairest gauge which is from a technical standpoint Killzone 2 is still a beast

[FanboyAttack]

But when it boils down to it, Halo 3 really is the best FPS ever made. The gameplay is just so tight, weapons so balanced, maps made so well, gamemodes, map editor, video recorder, forge, nobody does FPS like Bungie. It's like the guy who said Reach is doing what they're doing because of Killzone 2. Anyone that doesn't think that every FPS tries to emulate Halo in some shape form or fashion is kidding themselves. Bungie revitalized FPS, they are the innovator and leader in console FPS, and online gameplay, everything else is second best. Sure, you can say this has better graphics, or this is fun, that is ok, but as an overall package it's Halo 3 at the top of the mountain. Whether you choose to measure success by sales or players still playing the game 3 years later you still find Halo 3 at the top.

[Biggest]

Why does it seem that most Halo fans prefer 2, followed by 1, and 3 comes in very last and called a disappointment?

[FanboyAttack]

I think most people were dissapointed in 3 for a number of reasons myself included. The story fizzled out instead of having some sort of epic conclusion, the very last level sucked balls.

But I'm talking about pure FPS mechanics and then combine that with Halo's matchmaking and other online features, and you have a phenomenon that most developers try to emulate in some way. You can say whatever you want about developers and which games are "better" but they are in the business of making money. They make games for money, the improvements to graphics, and controls, story, etc. Are all designed and implemented in an attempt to make money.

A game can be good, like Killzone 2 but interest dies off in it for a number of reasons. There's some secret sauce that Bungie uses to keep their players hooked for years. If Halo 3 never came out, those people would still prefer Halo 2 to anything this generation.

I think we can both agree that any games campaign mode gets old and stale after a second playthrough, many times after the first. This is the reason that Halo dominates the shooter space. The sheer fact that even as a technically worse game in some areas it still sells better, gets played more, and is a more popular franchise than any other in the genre. You can try to make the arguement that people are dumb and they have no option, but they do, and they choose Halo. They chose it 7, 5, 3, years ago. And this year despite Halo 3 being a "dissapointment" Reach will be the top selling game again this year.

Will it be the best? Not to everyone.

[chidori666]

72%? and almost 100% better graphics than halo reach.. and lol imagine killzone 3 being shown at e3 with better graphics than killzone 2 360 fans.

[yewles1]

Stay tuned for GDC, the K3 engine is rumored to debut there.

[devsgreat]

killzone 2 looks better.

[2Spock]

Do you think, comparing a finished game to a alpha game.....Man you guys still make me laugh.

[chidori666]

to make better graphics takes very long time for it ..

and only 7 months for improve the engine is very little time for this.

halo reach not gonna change much.. mark my words.

[megacheak]

And what about GOW3! It has changed greatly over the past months. Compare the E3 demo and recent gameplay shots. But the major change that I noticed - it is object motion blur, which is very strongly decorates the game!

By this, I think that Reach can markedly improve ... We'll see ...

[Agheil]

They cant even handle K2, K3 might make em go insane

[Ninjaspeed313]

360 haves the games that i like ps3 don't

[Michael-Jackson]

What? Halo...

Funny thing is, nothing on the 360 interest me, it has nothing but shooters and a GT wannabe.

[Thoreau]

normally imply an age of 15 to 17. when you get older-buy a ps3

@ninjaspeed313

[stonecold1]

bigger than halo xbots got owned gt5 will put the 360 in the coffin alot sooner than you think bots 360 dead japan dead in europe dead in australia and newzealand china

[happy_gilmore]

and far cry 2 was a real sandbox game. failo is a wanna-be sandbox game more like jaks 3.

[Socomer 1979]

Lol pathetic!
KZ2 holds the crown!
Uncharted 1&2 hold the crown!
Mgs4 holds the crown!
Heavy rain holds the crown!
Littlebigplanet holds the crown!
Wipeout HD fury holds the crown!
Naruto ultimate storm holds the crown!
Mlb09 the show holds the crown!
Ninja gaiden sigma 2 holds the crown!

Reach?
Good luck.

[bjornbear]

seriously who expects reach to trump KZ2 graphically? that was never halo's thing

halo works on a cartoon-style ludic scenario, while KZ2 is almost hyper-realism =/

its good that reach will take a more "realistic" approach, but its still stylised, unlike KZ2 which is just absolutely mind bogglingly realistic =D

still, 72% polly count won't make a game better or worst, even if KZ2 is easily one of the best FPS this generation thus far =)

[Halochampian]

Actually Graphics were always Halo "thing."

Halo:CE was amazing for it's time. And Halo 2 easily was one of best looking games of the past generation.

And what is wrong with having a certain style? When you look at halo.. you know you are looking at a halo game because it's style is unique. I think you have to give it to Bungie for keeping to their style.

[bjornbear]

one of the few things i did like about Halo:CE was the art style, although cartoonish, it works for the game.

but i never thought of halo as a graphical reference, and KZ2 shouldn't be brought into this

you are safest to compare reach to Resistance 3

[Halochampian]

cartoonish is not a word that describes Halo at all. Just because things have bright colors and colorful does not make it "cartoonish". Although, from the way you act, cartoons seem like they should fit your mental age quite right.

[bjornbear]

way to get butt hurt and turn "childish"...ironic =P

and yes I do watch and love cartoons, since I'm interested in animation and illustration. so what? are you too immature to understand that grown ups can enjoy cartoons too?

and yes halo's style can be considered cartoonish, here's why:

"5. A ridiculously oversimplified or stereotypical representation" - now don't turn fanboyish and missinterpret this

Halo is as cartoonish as Infamous, with its slight "cartoon" style
having a cartoonish style isn't a bad thing

if you think it is, you are clearly insecure about what it would mean for you to show you ENJOY cartoons...=/

[Halochampian]

well technically, every video game is cartoonish. Killzone 2 is just as much cartoonish as any other game. It's all drawn so they are cartoons.

And I dont watch much tv. Family Guy is the only one i watch and i havent seen an episode in about a year. I really only watch sports.

Immature? Look at your recent posts. Read them aloud to yourself.

[bjornbear]

you aren't getting the definition of cartoon.

the sense i mean is in the act of making something "caricaturesque", meaning exagerating the forms

halo has far more exagerated, abstract forms than KZ2, as well as a more direct colour pallate (consisting mainly of directly applied primary and secondary colours - where as KZ2 uses complex colour and realistic colour palates)

by cartoon, i mean the use of the lines when creating the image

the more "emotional" and exagerated the line, the more caricature is looks

KZ2 uses realism as its base, and therefore it doesn't represent as much of a caricature of form as Halo does

if you don't agree, just look at the enemies, and look at their lines and the amount of artistic detail on them

one of the two look more like they could translate onto an animated cartoon best( hint: it's circular), while the other works best for a noire comic book novel (hint: it starts with a K)

basically, i should have used the word "caricature" because my point has been miss interpreted and i feel sorry for that.

as for the immaturity comment, well I guess I'll do the "mature" thing and just say nothing...wtv you wish =)

[Jumper09]

LOOOOOL Next PS3 troll news...
Nobody knows the polygon count from the Reach Character Models!
But in my opinion,Reach looks better. The Faces in Reach looking Awesome!

And K2 looks not better!

[jack who]

what no way am not buying halo reach

[Capovin]

But it completely baffles me how some think it's this "great" fps. I beat the game, it was nice but just felt very restrictive I'd say a little better than codmw 1's campaign. The graphics were awesome but after playing it on and on it just ends up not mattering anymore. I popped in
halo 3 about an hour after finishing and it
was like a breath of fresh air. I honestly don't care about the console war. I just don't think
kz2 was that great... at all. Uncharted's another story though

[Turin]

@Capovin

I partially agree with you. I agree that Killzone 2 isn't perfect it has pacing issues, i.e. the constant intense firefights can feel like it's a bit of a grind at times. And I agree that Halo 3 is kind of fun. My problem with Halo 3 is that it's nowhere near as technically good as the Halo fanboys make it out to be. I bought it based on their hype and ended up being disappointed. I have no doubt that Halo 1 & 2 were classics but I feel that Halo 3 and ODST fell well short of what they should have been. Even Bungee (The real ones not the muppet that plagues this site, LOL) admitted to these failings in a recent interview. Halo Reach may turn out to be a great game but I believe that Killzone 2 from a purely technical standpoint is clearly superior to Halo 3 or ODST.

[Capovin]

No I agree with that, while I don't think it looks as bad as some claim- halo 3/odst do not look anywhere near as good as KZ2. Personally even when halo 2 came out I was disappointed by the graphics (pop-in was unbearable). Halo 1 was the best by far, halo 3 is a close second gameplay wise. Halo 2 third and I didn't like odst so I guess it's fourth.

[Biggest]

What is this sandbox thing that everyone keeps talking about? I thought sandbox games were reserved for the GTAs of the world. Is Halo: Reach that type of sandbox, or the type of sandbox that happens when you need something to down another game for?

[Tarasque]

Your lack of the game is really showing now. Maybe before you run your yapper, you will make sure you understand what you are talking about first. Maybe you should watch the vid-oc trailer from bungie. And it will fill you in on any questions you have or things you do not understand. And they state in the video it will be a sandbox game with 40 enemies on screen at once along with your squad.

[Forklift]

What a bunch of children you people are.

I'll be playing great games on all three consoles today while you continue to argue about things that don't matter.

[Turin]

I have been having a bit of a poke at Halo today, seems to becoming an hobby of mine, LOL. But you are right Forklift, it would be nice if members of this site (including me) would grow up a bit and cut out these 'my console is better than your console' arguments. They are all great consoles and those who stay partisan to one are the ones who miss out, which is obviously where all the envy comes from.

P.S. I have only 2 consoles you lucky git ;)

[higherARC05]

Wait he's comparing poly count on a Army Soldier from Halo: Reach to a MAIN character of kz2?

Anyone with a BRAIN will know that the polys for a major character is way more than AI's.

Compare the head models that makes Halo: Reach impressive like Carter's or any of the Noble Team faces.

I've played kz2 and seen the Halo: Reach ViDoc and already can see the main characters in Halo: Reach face models >>>>> kz2 EASILY without a doubt.

Also LMAO wats with the sharp edges on Ricos head. It sure doesnt look high poly. Looks like someone folded paper to make his head. Like a origami lmao.

[Akagi]

Halo franchise = Twilight for the consoles.

[xaviertooth]

but halo reach beats uncharted 2 graphics.

and bots said alan wake has surpassed all the best ps3 games can offer graphically.

[Gamer7l]

....only a COMPLETE MORON would fall for this BS.

Halo Reach is an OPEN WORLD game, and K2 was linear, like Halo 2 & 3. And, just like Heavy Rain, K2 uses high-detail close shots of character faces to give the illusion that the entire game looks that detailed....when in fact, there are low-poly objects and low-res textures throughout the entire game.

But, stupid Sony fanboys lap this sh*t up like fresh cream.

[Tarasque]

Not only low poly counts in killzone 2 and low res textures. The making static shadows is a joke.

[talltony]

Stop with this open world BS excuses. I'm sick of it. KZ2 looks technically better just live with it!

[higherARC05]

LOL

the particle system in kz2 can't touch Halo: Reach's.

I've only seen at most a hundred particles in kz2 while in Halo: Reach shown THOUSANDS.

[talltony]

Oh please with the particle system bs. It doesnt take a genius to see how many more different kinds of effects that are in KZ2 that are not even existent in reach based on what we have seen. For gods sake man look how many more polygons the charachters have. But you know what people just believe what you want but at the end of the day reach doesnt have a new engine, its a upgraded one but not a completely new one. Kz2 was built from the ground up for a next gen console and reaches engine is just basically tweaked a whole lot. Reach will look good but in the end it wont compare to Kz2 and you guys know it.

I wont reply again cause I hate arguing with uninformed people. I'm OUT!

[Gamer7l]

Well duh....Guerilla COULDN'T tweak the original Killzone engine for K2, because Killzone looked like a PS1 game to begin with.

[megacheak]

Gamer7l, people on this site do not like the truth. Just insert the disk with the game (KZ2) and see with your own eyes to how many polygons in the models. It's just a joke sort of ... Virtually all objects are flat, almost all the textures are very low resolution, low-poly models, there is little vegetation and other complex objects, the whole physics of the solid script, almost all the light is not dynamic ... The game has only excellent models of several types of weapons (which closed a third of the screen) and very good! effects of post-processing.

In general, KZ2 - a remarkable game that I finished more than once. But in technical terms Reach a much more advanced game.

[bjornbear]

eh...I have KZ2 and finished it many times, and I haven't seen anything from reach that even matches it =/

you can try to bash it all you want, but your trying to compare a year old game to an unfinished game that isn't even out yet =P

but KZ2 does not have "loads of low res textures"

if you actually play and see, you'll be surprised at the amount of high res textures they have, the same goes for the particle effects =/

are they better than reach? i don't know, i haven't played reach, and nor have any of you, so zip it.

when you do, come back and troll all you want.

[megacheak]

"if you actually play and see, you'll be surprised at the amount of high res textures they have, the same goes for the particle effects"
If you actually know what it means high-resolution textures ... Sorry, perhaps you know, like I played KZ2 (the game is on full, a couple of times passed, and a couple of weeks in multiplayer) ... But in terms of texture, even Halo 3 is better than KZ2 ... All that I have written above is true, only that I missed - that KZ2 really has a good particle effects. But do you know that they have half the resolution of the game, and look so good mainly due to post-processing.
I'm not saying that this is a bad game, or that it looks bad. I liked KZ2, as the first part of the game once. But if you understand the technical aspects of game engines and 3D graphics in general, read the capabilities of the new engine of Halo reach, look Vidoc, see renders of game characters and models to draw conclusions.

With regard to the textures and polygon count:
KZ2:
http://i.piccy.info/i4/86/2...
http://i.piccy.info/i4/b9/9...
http://i.piccy.info/i4/eb/d...

Halo Reach:
http://www.bungie.net/image...
(only polygons) http://i.piccy.info/i4/c3/5...
http://i.piccy.info/i4/fa/1...
http://i.piccy.info/i4/15/6...

If you're not looking ViDoc, or did not see anything special in it, see attached video.

[xaviertooth]

that's it am throwing my 360 in the dumptruck.

[Sean Ryno]

I do not need the graphics to be better on the 360 to like it more than the PS3. Halo has given me some of the funniest, funnest, most intense moments playing videogames. They could not touch the 'graphics' and I would be there day one, for the opening at 12:01 buying the "Mythic Edition" to support my favorite development studio, and to enjoy the game. Killzone 2 may BLOW AWAY Halo in graphics, but Halo BLOWS AWAY Killzone 2 in features. Features hold the secret to replay value ppl. Plus, all Halo games are focused on a heavy use of bump-mapping instead of high polygon count that's the way it's always been.

[monkeyfox]

erm.. and yet reach will almost certainly be a better game (despite its lack of polygons)

[ASSASSYN 36o]

When does Reach come out? Because these, "Hey remember killzone 2 articles" won't stop till then.

[xaviertooth]

halo reach: http://img228.imageshack.us...

vs.

killzone 2: http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3...

the trees in halo reach looks real! the details are simply amazing!
killzone 2 was owned badly by halo reach.

[MaximusPrime]

thanks for images.
my verdict - Killzone 2 wins

[Thoreau]

if not, you just posted the most trash pic of halo you could possibly find and the kz2 pic sh!t all on the halo pic.

[Paradicia]

He posted a picture of Halo 1 from 2001 in comparison to a touched up KZ2 promotional screenshot.

Pathetic I know.

[Subzero200x]

???....halo is 72% more popular than killzone.

[Sean Ryno]

you mean 720% And for good reason.

[yorkie]

Is a 72% better game than Halo.

[chidori666]

halo is 72% more popular than killzone."

yeha.. thnks kratos for this cuz i not want another generic game in my ps3... :/

[digimau]

I love Halo (i PS3, 360 Gamer) but for the end of 2010 o First 2011....KILLZONE 3 Coming Soon!

[PSEuphoria]

KZ2 has more polyg.than reach?.....what a surpraise!! lol...
and bungie for only 299$ you can play in HD 2....

[TheTruth2009]

Good job, Split-Screen. You know just how desperate and TERRIFIED the PS3 Fans are of the incoming JUGGERNAUT Halo: Reach. And what better way to not only get hits on your website, but get the juices bubbling on this website than with a flamebait article. Classic. I commend you for preying on the ignorance of the PS3 Fans.

Let me ask you blind, myopic, frustrated, and narrow-minded PS3 Fans a question:

"If Killzone 2 has a higher polygon count than Halo: Reach, will Halo: Reach sell any less? Will Killzone 2 sell more copies as a result? Will it be the downfall of the Halo Franchise?"

The answers are simple... No, no, and HECK no.

I LOVE the desperation of the PS3 Fans in 2010 so far. They were pretty smug about their lineup going into this year, but now that MAG, White Knight Chronicles, and Heavy Rain have fallen short, the fear is settling in. LOVE IT.

So here's what I know:
ANY NATAL OR HALO: REACH ARTICLE THAT IS PUBLISHED ON THIS WEBSITE UNTIL FALL 2010 WILL BE BOMBARDED WITH THE FEAR AND TERROR OF PS3 FANS TRYING TO DEFLATE THE FRANCHISE.

Good luck with that.

Killzone 2 was and IS a forgotten shooter that looks glossy and plays like crap. No one online, poor voice acting, and fractured control scheme. I'm sorry that you think that it's more, but NO ONE CARES about that game.

It's disrespectful to the Halo Franchise for you to compare that piece of junk to it. Shooters start and end with Halo. And it's coming. DEAL WITH IT.

2010 is the beginning of the end for PS3. And you can feel it coming. You just wait until after the God of War temporary hype calms down. Then you'll REALLY be sweating bullets. For months. Until Sony tosses you a bone at E3.

PS3 sucks. PSN is a ghost town. And you wasted $600.00. :-)

[JussBlazn]

this guy IS serious. hahaha

[Erotic Sheep]

I cannot even imagine the pain your parents are going through...

[MaximusPrime]

PS3 is still outselling Xbox 360.
PS3 wins awards
PS3 games win awards.

PS3 is the best

[Tony-A]

Halo has been a downhill franchise since 3. Your console hasn't been able to outmatch itself since 2008. Your console hasn't been able to outsell the PS3 worldwide since god knows when.

Why don't you try replying to this comment? Oh, that's right, you're a 1-bubbler. HAHAHAHAHAH, that's the N4G community's way of telling you to STFU. Looks like it worked! LMFAO

[Paradicia]

Not a fair comparison, at all.

Reach - http://i50.tinypic.com/2j4y...

Reach - http://i49.tinypic.com/143b...

KZ2 http://media3.playscope.com...

KZ2 - http://media.photobucket.co...

Now that is what I would call a " Fair comparison " Visually both games look fantastic, no denying.

[megacheak]

Great example, MiLKJDO. There does not even need to "magnifying glass" to see where in fact more polygons, though probably "ps3 glasses" increase the number of polygons in some games:)

[lovestospoodge]

This may sound crazy, now hear me out, could it possibly be, well i don't know, they're both good games? :O

[raicoon]

omg thats so senseless....why should bungie give so much work for the face of the spartans when they always wear a helmet?....the overall polygon count of a spartan in halo reach will have more than killzone 2 characters i think..

[Paradicia]

In cutscenes Noble team will take off their helmets occasionally.

[Darkspade]

My **** is bigger then yours.. When Will it Ever Stop

[jizzyjones]

Every1 who buys reach ur a fu**ing idiot, another bulls**t halo game, wow an new engine, for halo thats "amazing" right? shame it looks no better than resistance 2, bet u dont even have 60 player online like resistance 2 did, "but o the sales the sales" wat wud u rather have a good game like killzone 2 or an overrated game that sells well like reach? Dont say "but oh the online is amazing" what jumping around like a power ranger is fun? not for me.

[catch]

Wow. Maybe the people who buy it are people who enjoy the games? I'm not a fan myself but calling someone an idiot for having different taste than you is just ignorant.

[jizzyjones]

M$ know you will fork out the cash on it just because its got the word Halo in it. I genuinely think it looks average, an it disappoints me as a ps3 owner to see all the 360 owners fall into the trap of buying a mediocre looking game just because of the brand and "O WOW A NEW ENGINE IT MUST BE GOOD", not because its any different from any other Halo game. Then they dismiss games like Killzone and dont give it a chance when i honestly enjoyed it more than any shooter this gen. But i take back my comment which was a touch harsh, but the Halo franchise does pee me off alot for milking its audience such as ODST.

[Halochampian]

By looking at the way you write, You are in no position to call anyone an idiot.

I love halo and I have played resistance 1 and 2 (like 1 more). But halo is hell of a lot more enjoyable to me. But I'm not going to call you an idiot for having different tastes. What i am gonna call you an idiot for is you thinking you have the right to call anyone else one.

[Sean Ryno]

You're kind of a moron aren't you Jizzy? Here, go play with your peers>>>>>

[Colonel-Killzone]

Sigh lol Killzone 2 is one of my favorite games of all time ^_^

[DMason]

Wow, its a PS3 fanboy orgy in here.

[catch]

Didn't stop the many Xbox fanboys from joining the party.

[Gimped Hardware]

Interestingly when i'm playing Halo3 multiplayer it never really bothers me that Killzone2 has better graphics......

I'm to busy being sucked in by the gameplay which is still unpassed as a FPS - on any console.

Graphics = nice to look at and study every now and again and say "Wow, look what they done there"

Gameplay = the reason a massive amount of people are still playing the game months,if not years (Halo multiplayer) later.

[n4gno]

Yeah, sure, kz2 is better and more competitive (gamespot goty for that), and don't forget young man : halo is just a sub-unreal tournament, way better in any way (mouse and speed included)

[PSEuphoria]

The 360 will never "REACH" the PS3 level....just admit it!!!
its no shame...........its SONY!!!!

[n4gno]

It's not a shmae fox xbox normal owners, but for fanboyz pretending the contrary, oh yessss it is ;)

[n4gno]

"but when its obvious that Reach blows KZ2 away in features and variety in gameplay"

yeah, because you don't know how kz2 gameplay is good (not for noobs by the way)

[xKakashi209x]

Please stop comparing these two games with each other. It's not doing KZ2 any justice. Halo Reach should be compared to Killzone 1 instead so Halo Reach can have any chance of knocking it out in the graphics department.

[Optical_Matrix]

I don't know why 360 supporters are getting their panties in a bunch saying about this article. They're the ones who keep protesting "bu bu itz in teh Alpha stagezzz, can't compare it to a full game" and then, resort to calling Killzone 2's gameplay awful when in fact, it's far from it. Just grow up. Fact is, Killzone 2 looks better from a technical standpoint (and imo from an art direction standpoint..Halo: Reach looks so clean and bright, look at all the bloom. That's not war at all. Killzone 2 nailed the doom and gloom).
So stop being hypocrites, stop crying, and face it. Just wait, and enjoy your game. And besides, it is you who has been waiting for the first chance to bash Killzone 2 at any given moment. Most hated game this gen I swear.

[Stedron]

of course you wont...your a bot!

[Lacarious]

mass effect 2 is a great game but you can clearly see where it can be far better graphically on the ps3.

halo wars is now $9 online. m$ is sucking that franchise dry.

ff should speak volumes to the power of both. unless its all cgi.

[divideby0]

I finished ME2 last week..great game...but the game clearly was chugging especially towards the end and yea graphically it could be better. I got to see FF and hope thats the end to painted on hair like in ME2

[xg-ei8ht]

Facial tech wise, I'd say, HR,UC2,KZ2 are among the best.

Halo reach does indeed look good and i look forward to seeing more of it. I'm sure they'll do a fine job with it. And yes reach does look better then halo3.

[ironmonkey]

ouch that hurts
ms fanboys commenting here, awwww hurts so much they have to comment

[ClownBelt]

Man. Since the start of February, it's just one bad thing after another for the Xbots.

[Convas]

Come Fall, I will be enjoying Reach, regardless of it's polygon count. Come 2011, I will be enjoying Killzone 3, no matter how much it beats any other shooter. Come 2011, I will also be enjoying Crysis 2 on consoles, which of course will beat both KZ3 and Halo: Reach.

And and like Hoggy, I will also have 172% more of a life than you losers, who have nothing better talk about the polygon content of a released game and a game still in Alpha.

Split/Screen must be bored. And so are you fanboys.

[catch]

And yet here you are commenting just the same as any of us. Being a hypocrite doesn't make you wrong.. but it does make you look stupid.

[Convas]

... is not hypocrisy. It's me choosing to make fun of idiots. Big difference. Me saying that Killzone 2 is way better than Halo REACH and that Halo REACH sucks and then still picking up Halo REACH launch day IS hypocrisy.

Knowledge Bomb. Dropped.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

If people still will play halo like they use too....I mean people are so stuck on MW2...I dont see another 8 million copies

[rakunado]

I tend to think of Halo's gearing more towards an associated artistic style rather than the gritty realism portrayed in killzone's.

If Halo Reach were to look just like Killzone i would think it wouldn't be halo anymore. There is something about the bright tones used in halo that i enjoy, and well... make it halo. It is true that halo levels have a much broader scope than killzone, but then you can also apply it to each games portrayal of war. Killzone tries to get in your face personal, with the physics and the slower paced combat which heightens the tension. Halo is more about having fun without the applied pressure and looking cool while your at it(although ODST had a little bit of tension in the rookie levels).

When i play Killzone i picture myself in a futuristic saving private ryan, when i play Halo i picture myself in more of a sort of cross between Aliens meet star wars.

Killzone tries very hard to be believable, while Halo makes everything just simply superficially awesome. Are they both fun games? Hell yes!

In the end its up to which style you prefer. I personally love both styles.

[John Marston]

There was nothing to be compared in the first place. I mean 72% is like a mile in difference and Killzone 2 will be almost 2 yrs older than Reach when its released. I guess it was true then the PS3 was made by aliens XP

[rezzah]

Even KZ1 has more polygons than Reach itself....this is sad. And Rico's head alone (with out helmet and other stuff) is the 72% more.

[peeps]

more isn't always for the best though.

I mean u don't use polygons for the sake of using them. u wanna be able to create a realistic look but using as few as possible cus the more polygons, the bigger the impact on performance

[jalen247]

LOL

[Dance]

Halo Reach can have up to 40 AI plus 20 vehicles in huge open areas and i will take Digital foundry opinion over anyone elses anyday

[gtamike123]

Killzone 2 wins
http://tinyurl.com/yjrxqxs

[Dance]

That it will

[gtamike123]

Killzone 2 looks better (and it's a year old now)
http://tinyurl.com/yjrxqxs

[Dance]

Looks is subjective but nobody here can deny the fact that Reach is technically better

[lethaldoseap]

lol its going to be enjoyable watching a game like Reach, not looking any where on the level of killzone2 wipe the floor with any other ps3 game that comes out this year. If games sold on graphics alone you would have thought that killzone2 would have rape 360 sells on there exclusives titles. Show me ps3 game that has old sold more gears of war or halo. I think there is only one must have title for ps3 this year and thats god of war. I will have it day one. As for 360 there are plenty. Also i played killzone 2. its graphics is about the only thing that is great about that game. I am sorry but you take away the graphics its not a very impressive game at all. I might have thought better of it if the controls didnt suck so bad. it felt like i was a clunky robot running around.

[TehCell]

I thought video games were all about gameplay, not graphics.

[AK46]

it's about having both.

[divideby0]

once again...comparing KZ which is how many years old...Reach better be significantly better than KZ or its a fail in the graphics dept..
and using KZ an old game, just shows you where and when the bar was set for Reach to be measured by. I have yet to see a 360 game which is being used to compare Reach to...really speaks volumes....think about it before blindly hitting the DA

[Death2494]

has all those features and still looks good. So now what's your excuse?

[led1090]

Better hardware == Better graphics simple as that. But its really sad that most of these topics end up being just about graphics. The consoles never stood for this. Guess you just cant help people becoming graphics whores. And this sentiment comes from a PC gamer(considered as the 'Graphics Whore stereotypes')

[JonnyBigBoss]

Of course. Killzone 2 will stay #1 for FPS in terms of graphics until another Killzone comes out.

[ILLINOIS]

LOL! 360 sucks I told you the 360 can't even compete with our older great games.

[e-p-ayeaH]

If Bungie can do a better job with putting a faster and responsive gameplay the he11 with the polygons and stuff like that i prefer a more responsive game than actually caring about detail in a shooter like this for god sake...

[Raimond]

It just can't beat KZ2! Imagine KZ3!

[Michael Scott]

Number of polygons on face > game as a whole

/s

[retro]

Because "heads" need more polygons than "helmets". Man.

[Doletskaya]

KZ3 can even top Halo:Reach in terms of gameplay if GG puts enough efforts into adding more depth to the multiplayer and make the SP more epic.But for graphics,I guess its already clear any Halo game can never reach KZ2's level,let alone KZ3,as long as they are exclusvie to 360.

[ImmortalLegend]

It really doesn't matter if it looks better than Killzone 2 or not. It's halo, it WILL sell and WILL be one of the best sellers of the year. Fanboy or not, you can't deny that. I'm a big fan of the Killzone series, but it doesn't even match the Halo fan base. All of these comparison articles are not going to matter. Sorry guys.

[gtamike123]

True small kids love Halo

[hellboy1880]

KZ fanboys need to get over it. Sure, KZ 2 has great graphics, but it will NEVER be the Halo killer that Sony wanted it to be.

I don't really understand why people feel the need to keep comparing these two titles.

The Halo series has had a huge following for years now and will still outsell any Killzone title, no matter how good KZ's graphics are.

[PirateThom]

Maybe if Halo fanboys would stop bringing Halo up at every opportunity when discussing PS3 games, it wouldn't be an issue.

[e-p-ayeaH]

KZ fanboys are PS3 fanboys just like 360 fanboys are Halo fanboys as well interesting....

[vydeljr]

I don't even know why people are comparing K2 and Halo Reached Halo 3.
Have everybody forgot that killzone 3 will probably be coming out this year. I can see it coming out this year because the simple fact that all they have to do is improve there engine a little bit more and add more variety and a better story. They been working on killzone 3 right after killzone 2 was released.

Don't be angry about that video I just saw that the other day and I wanted to share it

[Noob]

Now all of a sudden KZ2 has no gameplay, only good graphics. smh

[gtamike123]

The gameplay is great in Killzone 2 :D

[SpLinT]

I bet there are 100 times more people playing Halo 3 than on KZ2 right now (which is probably around 200 max)

[e-p-ayeaH]

But its all about the graphics isnt it? :/

[Rowsdower]

my response is so what
why is this important besides being fodder for fanboys

i own killzone 2 and that games graphic prowess will not stop me or anyone who wants halo reach from buying it

why?

cause a fun game is a fun game no matter how many polygons

oh so this is one of those threads where trolling negative nancies phantom disagree, pathetic.

[maniacf40]

.

[mcnablejr]

jesus i didnt think it really got this sad.

grabbing at straws.

[Tony-A]

You haven't seen desperate:

http://www.examiner.com/exa...

[gtamike123]

hahaha lmao!!!!

[jeseth]

Instead of taking the time to create great new IPs for the 360 to bolster its library, they are desperately releasing a 3rd Halo game in 2 years. Shows their lack of creativity and originality.

That's just for all the 360 fanboys to think about while they spit out ignorant statements all day long.

[orange-skittle]

Killzone 2 looked amazing, but the gameplay wasn't that crisp. I am sure part 3 will correct theses problems.

[IQUITN4G]

Does it have 40 AI troops and 20 Vehicle all being tracked in the same scene? probably not

Anyway Reach looks tasty enough to me and more importantly it will play magnificently too

Killzone3 gameplay is going to need an overhaul if it's to compete with Halo quite honestly

Good shooters obviously do sell well on PS3 as any look to COD will tell you and it's here you get a better understanding for how well liked Killzone actually is in comparison- it's sold far less despite a great deal of hype

[Rai]

maybe because an actual face requires more then a helmet

[psiom]

Awesome damage control as usual...360 fanboys crack me up.

Truly never able to give credit where credit is due, huh? You might prefer Halo gameplay, you might prefer its online community....but FFS...Seriously - Guerrilla Games put four or five years of work into a TRULY AMAZING graphics engine, and it hasn't been surpassed yet. That's it. But you can't admit it.

Killzone 2, whether you like it or not, whether you like the game or not, pulled the industry foward a notch, it upped the ante, and gave us all a tech push. It's a thing to aspire to.

Stop being so defensive and whiney.

[orange-skittle]

Killzone 2 didn't up the ante for anything. Modern Warfare still outdid it in every way whether you believe it or not. It proved that games can look good, but still play like sh*t. They knew it was problem and that's why they put a patch out shortly after because of the delayed hit detection(lag). The sales showed that it became problem for gamers because once word of mouth expressed disappointment, the sales slowed. It was graphically beautiful but that brought restrictions. The game has no vehicles because the it would have taken a dump on the marvelous graphics. You have to give a little and lose a little when dealing with the technology. No one took anything from Killzone, so how can it up the ante? If you want benchmark games that changed the FPS genre...then you have to pay homage to Halo and Modern Warfare because companies are copying what they perfected. Halo's matchmaking and online playability is alway being tested to Modern Warfares perk system. Everyone borrowed from the standard weapon customization to a new perk system giving players more freedom to play the way they wanted to play. Killzone's ranking system was busted and didn't make you want to keep striving to level up. I for one got tired of it myself and I love FPS's. Once I maxed out the medic, there was no reason to revive downed soldiers. At least in BFBC2 they still reward you for rescuing fallen enemies and it's beneficial if you do especially if it's a spawning squad mate. The tactician spawn smoke was a nice touch but just gave the enemy another area to spawn camp. Green and Red smoke would burn in the same room...what kinda sh*t is that? Like I said, the gameplay was broken and totally need revamping. Having a beta for that game was pointless, because they didn't learn anything from it

[psiom]

Wow, I barely made it through that wall of text.

I appreciate your thoughts in response to my post, I don't disagree with them. Unfortunately, you entirely missed my point.

You may not like Killzone'2 game play. I loved it. It's beside the point.

This is an article about graphics. KZ2's graphics simply went above and beyond anything else, and they haven't been surpassed yet. It upped the ante IN GRAPHICS < sorry I thought that point was clear.

Quality of gameplay is subjective, it's not ever worth arguing because to each their own. What's LESS subjective is the raw underline tech in Killzone 2's engine. They did phenomenal work to make it look like it does.

And again I say...

GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.

Stop treating developers on consoles you don't like that much like the enemy. They did their damnedest to make a great game.

I also love Halo games. I personally think they feel great to play. In all honesty though, reach is not looking like it will even come close to surpassing the graphics in Killzone 2.

Does that matter? is it a problem? It's be a great game anyway.

I just find it funny the things people have a hard time admitting. Just be comfortable admitting the things that are true.

[Figboy]

Killzone 2 simply looks better.

as for the excuse of, "Halo: Reach has scale!"

i ask you: what about God of War 3? that game has scale AND breathtaking visuals. and it's not in first person, so it has to model Kratos' ENTIRE BODY, and his animation set, not just a "floating gun."

to be fair, GoW3's scale dwarfs Killzone 2 as well. i'd argue that GoW 3 looks better than KZ2 on it's scale alone, but KZ2 is doing a lot of things that i don't think GoW3 is doing (ie, tons of light sources and shadows in real time, and a lot of post processing effects and graphical passes on the fly).

in the end, it's the finished product that matters. Halo: Reach isn't out yet.

Killzone 2 is still the graphical standard for console FPS games. why people are so adamant about not accepting that is beyond me.

it's like people are still so angry that the game didn't crash and burn, so they can point to the target render from E305/06, and laugh at how Killzone 2 failed to meet the mark.

well, it DID meet the mark, and in a lot of areas, SURPASSED the mark.

even the game play was top notch, which people attacked after they were b*tchslapped by the awesome visuals (which they still refuse to acknowledge how simply AMAZING that game looks).

Killzone 2 is the total package. it has graphics. it has game play. it has one of the best online multi-player offerings out there (so does Halo, by the way; just because Killzone 2 and Halo 3 do things differently online doesn't mean that one is better than the other).

and LOL at the 6 hour game comments. you clearly haven't played Killzone 2. at the most, it's a 12+ hour game.

the misinformation and spite being thrown at the PS3 this generation is amazing. i've never seen anything like this in all my years as a gamer.

never has one console had to prove itself over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, and it STILL ISN'T ENOUGH.

i think the PS3 may be the most battered console in console history. not even the 3DO, as lame as that machine ACTUALLY WAS (unlike the PS3, which has delivered on pretty much ALL of it's major promises), got the hate that the PS3 has gotten.

and every time the machine proves the doubters wrong, instead of manning up and saying, "you know what, the PS3 isn't the train wreck that everyone thought it was," they get ANGRIER at it! like, "why the f*ck did you prove me WRONG PS3?? RAGE!!!"

it's unbelievable.

Halo: Reach is looking great, and i'm actually planning on maybe picking it up, because i'm genuinely interested in it. i was a huge Halo fan when the first one came out, but i gradually lost interest in the series after part 2. Halo 3 and ODST didn't do anything for me, but Reach really seems to be better than those outings in every way, not just the visuals.

comparing it to Killzone 2 visually is still a bit premature. the game is still at least 6 to 8 months from release. that, and the game isn't being designed to be a showpiece of the 360 like Killzone 2 was for the PS3.

[ImmortalLegend]

It's ridiculous! For those of you that complain about how Sony doesn't advertise certain games and stuff can now see why they don't have to. The fanboys do it for them and they do it for free LMAO! You're defending this console as if it were you. Kinda sad imo.

[BreakNeckSpeed]

"i ask you: what about God of War 3? that game has scale AND breathtaking visuals. and it's not in first person, so it has to model Kratos' ENTIRE BODY, and his animation set, not just a "floating gun."

In an FPS, detail is absolutely essential as the player can zoom in on any part of the environment. Take Halo 3s forge mode for example. A player can zoom into the tiniest of detail and yet detail is still present ( Bungie doesn't get enough credit for such a feature in a console game). You can't do that in ANY PS3 exclusive. A feature like that won't be in Killzone 3. Its all about the graphics and shock value!

There is NO pre-set camera. There is NO fixed camera. It is NOT a scripted event.. used as shock value for the player. It is just a feature.

God of war 3 has the upper hand in what can be done with the visual flair of things because there is no concrete boundary for realism.

Your statement is just plain ignorant. I guess Crysis ( One of the best looking games this generation) is nothing more than a " Floating gun"

[Dance]

You need to look up the word [Scale]

[SSCOOLCHEA]

How can you tell any difference when 95% of these bots own a freakin SDTV . Its like this , son playing 360 on SDTV in room whacking off , Dad plays with ps3 on HDTV ...I'll give you halo cause it sells 15 million but everything else sony just shlts on it ..like poop poop poop

[ClownBelt]

Lmao. Halo Reach can't even compete to Killzone 1 on the PS2.

[nchizimbi]

At the end of the day, they are both games. These graphics comparisons should not be happening. What is happening here is trying to prove one game is better than the other judging just by the visuals.

Every game that is out there and in development is UNIQUE. Unique in its story, design, presentation, gameplay, visuals and other elements it is built on. Each game is different; therefore its experiences will differ from other games. For example, Gears of War provides an experience Uncharted will not provide (and vice versa). Same with Metal Gear Solid against Splinter Cell; Alan Wake against Heavy Rain; Halo against Killzone; God of War against Ninja Gaiden; F.E.A.R against DOOM; Call of Duty against Battlefield Bad company (NOTE: I love each of the IPs mentioned). Each of these games is an entertainment tool - we game to get entertained and have fun in the process. These games allow us to be the actors and heroes in the fictional interactive worlds. So, regardless of platform (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, wii, PC, mobile), each game is unique and will provide a different experience.

Comparisons are irrelevant. Both Killzone 2 and Halo Reach are beautiful pieces of digital entertainment. I enjoy Killzone 2 for the game that it is, and I will definitely enjoy Halo Reach for what it will be when released.

The thing to keep in mind is that a game is a combination of GAME ENGINE/TECHNOLOGY and ART STYLE the developers are building there games on.

[Unicron]

Logic is not favored on N4G.

[Tose]

@Noob

No, KZ2's gameplay always sucked.

@jizzyjones

And sony knows you fanbois will buy any game s'long as it looks pretty, regardless of how mediocre it is. Sony fanbois just buy all the games that look great cos they're graphic whores, this is a fact, wanna know how i know? Let's take GOW3 for example (im not saying this is one of them pretty mediocre ones, i was talkin bout resistence, and killzone etc.-

GOW3 is lookin deadly and I can't wait to play it)- anyway- since the newest GOW3 trailers, we've had a flurry of sony scrub fanbois who can't wait to buy the game, AND an awful lot of them who never even played the first 2 games before it- I've seen people posting how they cant wait for gow3, and then go on to say how they're getting the GOW collection soon, this proves just how ridiculously stupid you fanbois are, that you actually take one look at a game, and decide who good it is based on graphics- (you think you would know better, since according to a poll (this is ahillarious qoute from another psfanboi) "most ps3 gamers are 30-40 years old" and yet you are the whiniest and by god the most paphetic breed of fanboys out there, and look more immature than your "14-17 year old" 360 fanboy rivals.

Seriously, I bet if GOW3 looked Good, and not amazing like it does, it wouldn't have so many new players getting ready to buy it- and Heavy rain, another stinkfest that sony fanboys are eating up just cos it looks pretty (although the ps3 has much better looking games)- and don't give me that "oh it's innovative, step forward in gaming"- because it's not, I've played it start to finish, and it's exactly what it is, a game where you spent the entire time, doing QTE's and holding R2, and as for choices, most dont matter (although thats the same with any game with choices like in heavy rain). ANYWAY

@PirateThom

Except halo fanboys don't.

@FigBoy

I hate it when people put God of war and scale in the same sentence, good god man, do you even know what the word means?! as I've said, I love god of war, such a beastly series, hell even the PSP one was good! but to say god of war has "immense scale" whatever is bullshit, and I dont say this to troll or whatever, I say this because I'm not delluded, like half the people on this site. GOW3 has HUGE...(wait for it) BACKGROUNDS- NOT GAME SPACE, which Halo reach does have. If we're gonna talk about scale with gow and halo, why dont you (as I've said before)- take a screenshot of gow, take a screenshot of reach, and color in blue where in the screens, that Kratos can actually WALK, fight and jump in, and the same with MC, or whatever spartan. You'll notice a massive difference, just because GOW has massive BACKGROUNDS does not mean it's "epic and has massive scale, and scope", god I hate those 5 dollar words SOOOOO much.

/thread.

[adamant715]

Dude you just like owned everybody. XD

[bacrec1]

Most of the game their helmets will be on so it really wont matter.
Either way, cant wait for the Beta in may.

[Solotov]

Halo: Reach features 72% better story, gameplay, multiplayer, and A.I.

[Dance]

That it will

[acdata]

because out of dated ps3 geforce 7600 gpu doesn't support dx11 tessellation

[gtamike123]

The Cell is what makes the PS3 powerful.

[theroadtoruin]

The RSX 'Reality Synthesizer' graphic processing unit is a graphics chip design co-developed by Nvidia and Sony for the Playstation 3

It shares a lot of the same infrastructure of Nvidia 7800 which is based on G70 architecture.

Keep in mind that 7800 GPU is modified specifically for PS3 Cell Processor, which gives it a noticeable edge over core 7800.

[theroadtoruin]

Another fun fact

PS3 GPU:

core clock of 550 mhz, 24 pixel-shader pipes each capable of 27 flops/cycle, and 8 vertex pipes capable of 10 flops/cycle, for a total flops performance of
550mhz x (24x27 + 8x10) = 550 x 728 = about 400 gigaflops

Xbox 360 GPU:

500mhz core and 48 pixel/vertex pipelines at 10 flops/cycle for a total performance of

500 x (48 x 10) = 240 gigaflops.

Barely half as powerful

[stonecold1]

powerful than the 360 thought to let you know thats why the towns arent in final fantasy because the 360 just couldnt handle the game and the 360 is the blame for that

[spinbot_lv1]

Ps3 uses openGL library. however xbox360 is not able to support dx11.
RSX is a bigger, upgraded and modified version of 7800 gpu.

[adamant715]

Who ever said that Halo:Reach would look better than KZ2?

[psiom]

Lots of starry-eyed hopefuls with irrational hatred and an undying defiance that anything in any aspect whether significant or otherwise could be superior on PS3.

But no sensible people did.

[adamant715]

I'd love to see some proof.

[Solotov]

LOL, Killzone, "the Halo killer". The only thing it killed was itself and PS3 sales.

[rezzah]

Might not of killed the series but sure did kill Halo 3.

[Noble Spartan]

haha your right, i though haze was the killer? LOOOL Killzone is awful francise i mean killzone 1 70% metacritic loooooool and killzone 2 over hyped crap with brown graphics. No one bought it no one played it forgetton release. Sony fans boys think its big loool

Killzone 2 91% metacritic ( 5 years in making ) and they make some garbage uninnovative generic game.

Halo 3 94% metacritic.

Killzone so bad that even the Halo 3 maps will own the whole game.

Killzone 2 titanium grey graphics pack 68% metacritic LOOOL they saw how badly the maps are designed and puked. Whereas Halo maps superb.

PS3 Fans are so sad of reach damn makes me excited for the release, LOL compareing Pre-alpha stuff to full release Killzone 2 lol This shows Halo Reach is already surpassing PS3.

No one plays Killzone 2 i think theres 100 players left. MW2 and BC2 will rock PS3! dont worry PS3 FANS! you can have good multiplatforms!

As you still dont have a good exclusive shooter! sad isn't it.

[Enjoi915111]

lol MORE NUMBERSssss

halo 3 sold how much????

# Halo 3 Players Online:
# 127,230
# Unique Players (Last 24 Hours):
# 688,300

killzone sold how much?
Killzone 2 website says their are 0 people online right now ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLL

i love how graphics are everything to the ps3 nerds

i loved K2 single players but the online was crap....plus they arent even making new maps anymore ROLF halo is still makeing maps...

bungie is such a better company to its gamers.....

kilzoneflopped ....again

[psiom]

Do you really think there are zero players online right now in Killzone 2?

You're either made of failtroll or you'll just believe any old crap to satisfy the things you want so hard to believe.

That said, Halo DOES have a much stronger ongoing community. No denying that.

[stonecold1]

bigger than halo if your metioned sales

[Cheeky Gamer]

People seem to be forgetting that Killzone 2 plays like poo, and that Reach is likely to carry on the baton for Halo's superior gameplay.

Graphics schmaphics. This gen has brought out some real graphics whores.

[psiom]

But never fear, because you've arrived and saved the day with your poignant reminder!

Nevermind that it's only a graphics article.

there should never, EVER be an article that only compares graphics, because us poor gamers who take comparisons SO SERIOUSLY are too simple minded to assess one aspect of two games.

Graphics are meaningless! Halo would have been just as cool in 8 bit pixel art. TEH GAMEPLAY!

Your defensiveness has rescued us from this hurtful discussion.

[ReBurn]

That must mean that Killzone 2 is 72% more fun!

[unchartedgoty]

better gameplay and graphics in my opinion. dont argue with facts! 72% MORE POLYGONS

[Unicron]

There is more to design/visuals than JUST poly count or texture resolution.

But considering this topic has already exploded, continue arguing.

[psiom]

I agree. The title of the story was destined to see it go down as a flamewar.

Art direction > polygons.

Whether or not Reach holds its own against the rendering tech of other games, it looks great and will make fans of the series very happy.

[gtamike123]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[DanSolo]

But does it really matter?

Sh1t some people will really make a p1ssing contest out of anything these days!

How about you just play the games you like and enjoy them???

[Edgar]

So there's a lot problems with this story. First off he's only comparing the polygon counts for the heads of characters. This would be good enough if games were only comprised of character heads, but they're not. Halo: Reach may be using fewer polys for heads in order to leave some extra polys for longer draw distances, or allowing more characters on screen. Honestly we don't know, because Halo: Reach hasn't shipped. Furthermore even if Killzone 2 has more polys, that still only tells part of the story. Shaders are easily just as important as polygons when it comes to graphics, if not more so. It's possible that Bungie is sacrificing poly counts in order to have better shader support. Honestly the fact that you guys feel the need to keep shouting down the graphical prowess of Halo: Reach is very very telling.

[RELAX]

daaaaammmme

[air1]

yea, well halo reach will have 100% better gameplay...

[air1]

and halo reach will have 100% better gameplay...

[Tose]

In a perfect world... in a perfect world..

[XDF]

And the ratio is not even close.

PS3 fanboys out-numbered X360 fanboys at the rate of 72%. Mabe more, I have to re-count.

Ok, maybe KZ2 does have a 72% lead in Head Polycount. But I will bet that Halo Reach will have more than 72% lead over KZ3 in Sale and number of players online. marked this date down.

[hamoor]

so
If halo 3 have kz2 graphics it will be better than kz2
In the other hand if kz2 have halo 3 graphics halo 3 still better
Why??
Just think a moment about what i wrote........

[swice]

Flamebait.

And to the user named "Bungie", I now really feel as though your profile is fake and who's only purpose is to fuel the fire. I don't feel as though your comments are genuine or even thought out like a normal thinker. Awesome.

[adebass]

In my opinion this argument is simply absurd. If Reach's graphics were NES level then it would likely affect the experiance... they are not. KZ2 looks better, but Reach looks more than good enough to deliver a quality experiance.

I thought KZ2 was a great game, as was H3, and i dont think either experiance was made better or worse by the graphics. Just enjoy the games for what they are, good looking, great playing shooters.

Polygons in the head!?... Good God!

[taylork37]

Now lets compare the actually quality of things like multiplayer and gameplay...you can keep your polygons. That's all you anti Halo douches have to go on, is the quality of the graphics, keep trying.

[Jumper09]

for the last time...killzone 2 looks not better. end

[spdarksky]

Why compared polygon count? Do you know that artist or 3D Modeler will try their best to reduce the polygon count as low as possible without sacrificing the final model?

If there's even 10000 polygon on single head compared to 2000 polygon on single head wont make any differences when's everything is in motion. And you know, when you play a game everything move so fast that you wont even notice the differences.

For me as a Software Engineer and also 3D Modeler, the final product is the most important not the number of poly. All this discussion of which polygon is highest is truly pointless.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

and I still prefer Halo's online wayyyy more. Mainly cause it offers way more game modes than KZ2!

I own Killzone 2 and honestly wasn't wowed by anything but the visuals, and that luster wore off after the demo I had gotten for preordering it.

This game to me succeeded in graphics and missed out on everything else... I was let down personally!

[kingslayer1000]

halo sucks face it cry babies

[Henry Cain]

Funny I feel the same way about Halo. KZ2 is the first game by Guerrilla on the PS3, and they did a fine job. There is always room for improvements. Bungie didn't get everything right on Halo the first time out. In the beginning Everyone talked about KZ2 graphics and how it couldn't look that good. They were proven wrong. Then they said that the controls were not good, but most people were use to playing MW and felt that KZ2 was to weighted. The truth is KZ2 is a excellent game and KZ3 will be even better. IMO Halo can not touch Killzone

[NateDPG]

OWNED!

[Shendow]

Just go's to show you that PS3's power is only base off its Bluray and Cell, but I would like to see a Bungie game push the level of how real it looks.

Be better to hear about Bungie making a game that uses 100GB of a Bluray, but that might be awhile.

[RegalPrince]

Thanks to the Cell CpU we have these excellent exclusive games. Sony made the right choice because they invested in the technology. Thier 10 yr lifespan is becoming a reality.

P.S. I also dont think that XBOX360 is underpowered. U must also consider that the games use diff art styles and gameplay mechanics in some ways. Most people are thinking the game is gonna be squad based. It seems like Microsoft is blending Gears of War and Halo..lol. We're just gonna have to see how it turns out.

off topic:
Im also tired of Microsoft milking Halo and Gears. Plz use some of that 77 billion u have in assests to make some new IP's

[RegalPrince]

Kudos to Bungie for using less polygons....this allows the GPU to do more. we also dont know about the techniques game designers use to make up for polygon counts. XBOX 360 isnt as weak as everyone thinks it is..its just PS3 is better.

XBOX 360 and PS3 sitting on shelf together:

(Kid plays Gears of War 2)

XBOX: "Hey blacky! See these graphics! Im good!"

(Kid pops in Uncharted 2)

PS3: "Yeah...But im better!"

XBOX: RRoD

PS3= Bugatti
XBOX 360=BMW M3
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[fullmetal297]

Lets face the truth, consoles are aging and quality of the graphics shows. Most games are in 720p and can barely get a solid 30 frames and that's sad. Graphics is a non-issue if the gameplay is bland and that's where the halo series shines. My first xbox game was Halo 2 and that game was absolutely fun and nothing beats the experience of playing next to a friend or having a LAN party. But the best halo game I ever played is Halo CE. There are so many ridiculous mods for that game, it's crazy.

[theroadtoruin]

another fail from micro$hit add gaylo reach around 8::::::::D to the garbage list and hurry up and put out the new xbox so you can keep up with sonys hardware thats all you xbots can do is reach because you know your console is inferior

[Maciariello]

Perhaps they both look great in their own respects.

[Tron_Rocks]

I played through about 2 hours of KZ2 and frankly got tired of it. Dreary colors, every sentence littered with the F-word and controls that was CRAP. I mean crap compared to most FPS that have been released in the past 4 years. So I could really give a crap less if there a few more polygons (arguing this point is stupid until REACH is released!)
Game-play both single player and multi-player Bungie wrote the book on as far as consoles is concerned and yes sales do matter. For the reasons I have stated KZ2 is not all that great of a game.

Reach will be an awesome game, I feel confident saying this.

(Sony drone blinded) Insert crappy lame inaccurate comment below this line.......................... .............

[PS360PCROCKS]

Seriously? KZ2 has 3300 more polygons on a face with eyes, nose, hair, wrinkles etc than a game that the dude wears a helmet? Wow incredible, never saw that coming! Come on guys everyone knows KZ2 looks better but give me a damn break. Why waste poylgons on a HELMET?!

[Another One]

Did anyone else notice how the 3D model talked about in the article was an art test model. Sounds to me it was just something the guy made in Maya to impress Bungie. Maybe part of his portfolio or something Bungie wanted him to make on his own. It's probably done on his own software and not with whatever Bungie is doing their models with. Who says that's the amount of polygons Reach's models will have? That one art test image proves nothing.

How about we do a comparison using an actual Reach model and not something from an art test.

[PLAYstar]

KILLZONE 2 make gaylo looks like a Cartridge Game!! Poor Xbots playing 8bits!

[Jambama]

Funny how last gen the original Xbox PWND the PS2 and Gamecube for sheer performance (i.e.: Halo 2, Forza Motorsport, Doom 3, Fable) and still underperformed sales-wise... but now PS3 fans are losing their F-ing minds because they are starting to get some good-looking games despite the fact that PS3 console sales are still playing catch up with the 360.

It's also funny how the PS3 is "superior" graphically, yet their graphical powerhouses support a maximum resolution of 720p whereas EVERY Xbox 360 game since early 2007 has had either a native or supported resolution of 1080p.

Funny how the guys at Turn 10 studios (Forza 3) managed to create not only the BEST racing simulation to ever hit consoles (graphics and gameplay), but they have made TWO full releases (Forza 2 & 3) in the time that it has taken Polyphony Digital to create ONE full release that will look only as good as Forza 3 (2 year development) at the very best. And PS3 fanboys wait further into the 5th year of Gran Turismo 5's development time until they have to earn their licenses and finally get to race.

Have you guys seen the development diaries for Uncharted 2? Don't you remember their lead programmer mentioning that they utilized nearly 100% of the PS3's hardware power to push that game graphically? Awww, too bad. Maxed out the system in 3 years.

@ FACTUAL evidence: You forget that Resistance 1 and Gears of War 1 came out at the same time. Anyone who could compare those two games that has both functoning eyes and a brain-stem knows that Gears kicked the sh-t out of Resistance graphically and still ran buttery smooth. Electronic Gaming Monthly even went as far as to say that Resistance looked like a PS2 game on steroids.(Resistance 1 was fun and intense as hell, though.) And they both tied for game of the month through EGM magazine. Game Informer is a lot more reliable IMO, though.

Furthermore, I think that all of you PS3 fans are sweating at the fact that Gears of War showed graphical prowess that is still largely felt today (everyone uses Unreal Engine nowadays) and was only 1 year into the 360's life. Not to mention Epic games is a 3rd party developer. Just imagine what a first party development company could do if they truly wanted to push the hardware. There's no way you can tap a console's full potential that quickly. They haven't shown us anything yet. You can bank on that fact. Just wait for the next graphical punch that the 360 will deliver.

Funny how PS3 fanboys can tout Killzone 2's graphics but NOT it's mediocre-good ratings (much like MAG). LMFAO!!! Even the "expansion" Halo3 ODST received higher ratings over Killzone 2 across the board.

And yes, I agree. Killzone 2 looks better than Holo 3 at least. We haven't seen the finished product for Reach so we cannot make any justified assessments, especially since those models screens are of generic soldiers and the game is still about 9 months from release. The Halo franchise has never been what I would call a graphical powerhouse. But gameplay wise Halo is the clear victor.

No biggie, though. Killzone 2 is still enjoyable. The reason Halo is so highly regarded is because it reignited the spark that made shooters fascinating to begin with. Give Bungie their rightfully earned props, people! Just like Xbox Live is the cream of the crop when it comes down to console online services. Give them their props as well.

Think of it this way. Without Xbox Live paving the way, would you have any kind of respectable unified online service to depend on? And without a juggernaut such as Halo to compete with, would you have games anywhere near the quality of the Resistance or Killzone series? We all know that the answer to those questions is a resounding "NO".

I bought a PS3 mostly for excusives, but their is no way I would abandon my Xbox 360 for it. Therere far too many great games and exclusive gems on the 360. Even if they eventually make their way to PS3, they have usually tapped their major sales potential by then.

[stonecold1]

hardware was pushed to the max when gears of war 2 came out in 2008

[Jambama]

@ Regal Prince

Thank you! Someone acknowledging the 360 for its strengths on here is a rarity and is refreshing as a whole.

Check out Game Informer's article on the guy who designed all three systems CPU's and you'll see that even he said they were basically identicle performance wise. The only difference is that Microsoft was more conservitive in their design and Sony was more experimental. Their both based off of the exact same Power PC structure for crying out loud.

Not to mention that the RROD is pretty much a non-issue thanks to the newer motherboards. My PS3 got the YLOD (overheat failure, exactly like the Older 360s do) while my newer Xbox 360 model is still running like a Triple-Crown winning stallion. I had an older model that got the RROD and was quickly and painlessly fixed by Microsoft without cost under the 3 year (receipt-free)warranty, but I traded it in towards a newer one with HDMI. Mmmmmm.... 1080p..... (drools and gravels). LOL

By the way YLOD = Yellow Light of Death. Those of us affected know that this seriously sucks. $150 to repair by Sony if not under the 1 year warranty with the receipt.

[yogaflame]

wow imagine that, KZ is already an old game, a 1st gen game of ps3 and yet Halo reach or any 3rd gen games of xbox 360 have not been able to exceed it, wow, its impressive. Xbox is okay but still ps3 is a monster, its like a living organism , evolving and it might be self aware soon hehehe

[horndog]

It can have the best looking graphics of any game and it still flops, not even the droids want to buy that sh!t and that's why it failed so hard. Nobody even plays this crap on line for crying out loud, its just a disaster that i can't help laugh at after all the hype that was created for it not to mention the huge budget.

Flopzone is another failed attemp at trying to create a Halo like game for the POS3. There is no other way of describing what Flopzone is. Sony just can't get it right. MAG is the latest FAILED attemp and many more to come. Oh sony, you just suck so please stick to movies.

[Antar20]

ROFL

[DelbertGrady]

As long as Halo: Reach is 72% more fun to play than Killzone 2. And has 72% more accurate controls.

[dilatedmuscle]

Im sorry i cant see the original link but are they comparing faces and all or simply head? because in reach the heads can mean helmets.... Plus if you guys think that Head Polycount = Better looking game then shame on you because its largely dependant on the engines shaders and post processing effects.

Im not saying that Reach will look better then Killzone 2 by any means but many of you are making ignorant comments to say the least.

Im not here to say "BUT REACH HAS SCALe!!!!" but.... seriously... Halo Reach wont be a corridor shooter and it will have way more AI and vehicles on screen. If you dont think content matters when it comes to graphics then you are severely ignorant. If halo reach was a corridor shooter with a quarter of the features it would look much better and that is a fact.

People getting all excited or enfuriated over head polycount are wasting there time. I highly doubt Bungie would spend their resources on head poly when the characters are wearing helmets most of the time.

But like i mentioned before, Its largely dependant on the engine's effects. I highly doubt that Killzone 2, corridor and all, will have higher resolution textures then Reach. Ive played Killzone 2 a lot and Halo 3, i must say, killzone 2 without motionblur and lighting effects would have insanely terrible textures.

[Bumpmapping]

OWNED!

[kevinx1000]

killzone looks better (graphics only game), but besides that who's gonna have the most fun, most replayability, feutures etc. on top of that Reach might not have the best graphics ever, they still look damn good.

[arny]

wtf who gives a crap

[Xi]

right, thought so. Maybe split screen should know what the difference is between the 2. Halo 2 mastercheif has less polygons then the halo 1 MC. Which looks better?

[awesomeperson]

PS3, it only does 72% more.

[Condemnedman]

And it will have about 10% of Reach's game play lol

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Their sure are a lot of misinformed kids commenting on this one.

[OlvaR]

its funny how sony fanboys just blindly comment without dropping an eye on the artists official page...he clearly states that this is a bungie art test and not a halo reach model....and you can check the official model and this one and compare it....

[Coolmanrico]

Like I really care how many polygon the developer use to create a head.

[SmokedOut]

Killzone 2 was great, although it failed to push consoles out the door...

[Dance]

not according to Remedy

[dilatedmuscle]

Yeah lets compare main character models to random NPC's... lolzers

[mittwaffen]

How about....

we wait till the game comes out? Its pretty lame everyone fighting.

Ice-T off Jace Hall even told you guys to stfu.

[TheMailman]

XBox 360 is going down...

[Xander756]

Another fanboy article? Sad how this console war is such a big part of people's lives...

[360fanboi]

XBOX will never go down, I have too many xbox games to switch now... So I will keep on buying xbox games and troll u ps3 ppl to make mahself feel better about spending moar monie for microsoft!

[Darksyko]

What the hell do you want! There wearing helmets! OMG I'm blinded by the shininess!!! lol

[Morituri]

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. There is simply a fundamental difference in opinion on which game has the better gameplay. For myself, KZ2 was a revelation in FPS. It was an experience that drew me in and made me a believer. I did not have the same feeling about Halo or Halo 3. As a matter of fact , I have yet to finish Halo 3 due to extreme boredom. The multiplayer also turned me off. On the other hand, Killzone 2 is a game that I keep returning to over and over again. It still amazes me and is still the most satisfying shooter experience to date.

And graphically? This to me is a no-brainer. I don’t see how Halo Reach will top it. It is realistically implausible. And the issue is moot really – because when Killzone 3 drops with improved EVERYTHING it is just going to blow everyone’s minds away.

[wwm0nkey]

These are not in-game!

Sketch Factor just confirmed they are from a porfolio of the guy looking to get a job at Bungie.

LINK: http://carnage.bungie.org/h...