CC: Gran Turismo creator Kazunori Yamauchi has hit out at driving games released since Gran Turismo 4 in 2004, saying that the 'low level of quality really shines through'.
He's a pretty picky guy isn't he? edit: I woulnd't mind seeing Forza's level of vehicle customisation in GT5 TBH.
I think anyone can play Forza 3 for more than an hour at the time. Its brilliant. I don't see that any of the racing simulators released recently (Forza 3, Need for Speed: Shift etc.) have low quality. After all, they sold brilliantly.
Quality and sales don't go hand in hand. Shift definitely wasn't quality, the thing was pretty broken from what I played.
True that. Sales aren't exactly representative of quality just popularity.
When this guys speaks you listen and u agree and thats it.A true master of his domain.A perfectionist in every sense.
...it wasn't quoting from Eurogamer. At any rate, can anyone get the direct link to work? It's probably a url thing, but when I paste the link, I can't get the original page to come up: http://www.eurogamer.dk/art...
"Quality and sales don't go hand in hand" Gran Turismo Franchise Is The Exception of The RULE GT5: The Perfect Driving Simulator Gamers FTW!!!
But deh sony developerz neva talks bad abowt duh compitition! Yeah right.
Blimey games,simbian studios, codemasters and slightly mad studios do to deserve such an insult?.
as far as you work for Sony that is.
Someone seems to like the smell of his own fart.
He's working on a game five years in the making; These guys are chucking out games every year! When you pay $60 for GT5, it's gonna feel better than when you do it for those other games! There's so much more for $60 there.
"Actually I find it difficult to play the other games in more than five minutes at a time. The game's low level of quality really shines through in the other games and I can not hold them out!" Thats the quote from Yamauchi when asked whether he may implement features from different games in future Gran Turismo games. Take that as you want, but guy has high standards and is just saying what he thinks about already released games. Douche? perhaps.
They sorta deserve it, the jap devs never talk sh*t bout western devs, western ones would rather be bumrap*d than be seen taking notes from competitors , Forza 3 was quality, even though it won't be as good as GT5 it would be the best if Gt didn't exist. Shift was not a simulator.
Seeing how long it's taking him to release GT5, it better be perfect.
"Kazunori Yamauchi: The last is actually exactly what we do. We skeleton not to other games while we develop Gran Turismo - it is solely based on what we want to achieve with the game. In fact, I find it hard to play the other games in more than five minutes at a time. Previews low level of quality really shines through in the other games and I can not keep them out!" I am not an English major, but these part "We skeleton not to other games while we develop Gran Turismo", "play the other games in more than five minutes at a time" and "Previews low level of quality really shines through in the other games and I can not keep them out." I can tell was badly translate.
All he said was that other racers are crap compared to Gran Turismo 4 and that they've brought nothing to the table since. It's not like he said GT5 "is the definitive racer", that would have been REALLY dramatic. /s
I speak danish. The translation overall is kind of shifty, yeah, but the part in which he acts like a douche is pretty accurate. He's asked wheather or not GT is developed "in a form of vacuum, where competitors are ignored". He responds that they develop games without glancing at other games, the end product is based solely on their own goals and vision (which is retarded, and obviously a lie, any dev saying this is clearly lying). Then: "Actually I find it difficult to play the other games more than five minutes at a time. The low level of quality really shines through in the other games and I can't stand them!" Guess he got tired of the Turn 10 devs, good for him. Remember, I translated from danish to english, not japanese to english. Some danish dude did that, and danes can't be trusted. va? Racing sims suck ass btw, I don't care about this little battle, bye.
Thanks. When he said "Actually I find it difficult to play the other games more than five minutes at a time. The low level of quality really shines through in the other games and I can't stand them!" Couldn't he be referring to the games he play personally? those games doesn't necessary mean racing games, but games in general. For all we know, the game he might be referring to is Dynasty Warriors or something.
Really? Why is it that they are adding damage to their cars then. Surly thats one feature that the competitors have that they want in their game too. Im sure GT 5 will be great but I wish hed just get it done already and let us decide. Also I found it interesting considering they went and not only playued forza 3 at E3 but "TOOK NOTES" on it. LOL. http://www.pushsquare.com/3... http://gamingconsolenetwork...
Yamauchi, please. Don't do a Turn 10. :/
No, he makes a point of directing himself towards GT's competitors, which I can only assume are racing games. Makes sense, no? Eurogamer.dk makes a big a deal of this, it's a focal point in the article. Far more interesting for those of you who are interested in all things GT, is that he says that there will be a major update to GT5 Prologue before GT5 proper is finished in the same article. "Kazunori Yamauchi: Der vil komme yderligere en større opdatering til Gran Turismo 5 Prologue før det fulde spil er færdigudviklet."
I don't think he said it like that, and if so, this article is doing a great injustice and using the spin-machine to generate nonsense.
After all the pushing "Just Turned 10" did, you didn't expect a push back?
Uhm, looks like loads of comments are being made just from reading the misleading and highly sensational headline instead of reading the actual article.
..what do you expect the competition to say, if true? This is just PR everyone has their own direction on how to come about it, but it's just business. Then again I'm not surprised that people are upset, it is a Sony developer; otherwise people wouldn't have cared. It's well known that western developers have that mentality, what makes it different used against them? Microsoft has Ninja Blade people think it's cool, Sony has Heavy Rain people say it isn't a game. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
He's not a douche, and do you know why? Because he knows, that GT5 is in another league. Damn i know Yamauchi, and if this man says, that other games are crap in comparsion to GT5, you just must believe him!. HE already knows, that his game is much better. Otherwise he would never say such things.. So for me as a GT fan: really good news! :-)
Both Turn 10 & PD have bad-mouthed the competition. Now, it's time to put their money where their mouth is. Turn 10 backed up it's arrogance with Forza 3, the highest rated driving sim since 2001. Millions of driving sim enthusiasts and hundreds of reviewers & journalists would disagree that Forza is "low quality". Let's see what PD can do when GT finally comes out. If PD considers a 92 rating to be "low" quality, they better average at least a 98 for GT5 to back up their trash talk.
GT5 will blow the competition away.. Without a doupt, Yamauch is a f*cking perfectionist, and he will release an extremely polished game, with unbelievable features. You will see...
them there is fighting words... i like that, Yamauchi says it as it is. he has confidence in his product.
Yamauchi Hits Out At Gran Turismo Competitors ??? like who? forza?? NFS? haaaaa yeah fking right. GT5 dont have competition
Tisk tisk. Don't sink to Turd 10's level.
He just sank lower.Nothing Turn 10 said was this disrespectful.
We don't know how low he's sunk, to be honest as that quote could be in ANY context and the translation of it doesn't really make much sense either. If we see the full interview and it turns out he does mean EVERY single game released in the genre since the last GT then, yeah, it's a really bad statement but as he's been complimentary about Forza in the past I'm tempted not to think there's very much in this one. For instancce, he could have been asked " What about the way the need for Speed games went so badly downhill" and then the rest of the question. If he was meaning every single racing game then he's out of line just as badly as Greenawalt but still not as low as T10 as a whole seeing as they're more than one person and there was a concerted policy of rubbish statements and poll rigging from them! Still, just as I won't buy Forza3 until I see T10 and Greenawalt grow some humility I won't be keen on getting GT5 if it turns out Yam is being badly arrogant-whether T10 lit the first match is irrelevant as bad behaviour is bad behaviour and gamers don't need poor examples to act like tools these days. However, I very much doubt he'd say something quite so sweeping and/or disparaging and need to hear the interview, read a good transcript or find a full, good quality english translation as one quote with nothing to anchor it to is a typical, almost cliched, journalistic tool for making peple look however the publication wants.Surely, had they a full Yamauchi interview, also,m they'd have made certain we saw a little more than one semi sensical quote, wouldn't they? Also, it would be very out of character from what I've ever seen or read about the guy too.
"Eurogamer: when you look back at the games that have appeared since the GT4 – with Forza Motorsport as the highest title – see you so things you want to deploy in the GT series? Features which have brought the genre a step forward? Or developer in Gran Turismo in a form of vacuum, where in ignores its competitors? Kazunori Yamauchi: the last is actually exactly what we do. We skeleton not to other games while we develop Gran Turismo– it is based solely on what we want to achieve with the game. Actually I find it difficult to play the other games in more than five minutes at a time. The game's low level of quality really shines through in the other games and I can not hold them out! " http://www.microsofttransla... http://www.eurogamer.dk/art... the guy was asked a simple question.After GT4 is there any feature in other competitors racing games that he likes and would want to impliment and he flatout calls all of the s*it. IMO there is nothing wrong with taking jabs at the opposition but flatout degrading rival products to that level of calling the games unplayable ( a game you can't play for more than 5 mins is basically unplayable) then that is plane stupid.
The links there, and if its not perfect translation, you can pretty much tell what they ask him: 'With games released after Gran Turismo 4, are there any features you want to implement/deploy in the Gran Turismo series' Its a pretty bad statement, no matter which way you look really. But, he is a great developer, and as long as he can maintain the current standard of previous GT games, I'll be happy.
payback time,Yamauchi-san? ;)
I remember Kojima saying something and then hearing later what his translation was and saying he was mistranslated. I doubt he said it in a Turn 10-like tone.
Turn 10 had it coming and frankly I am glad he didn't stand there and take it. Turn 10 stunk the place up thinking boastful insulting claims could double for talent. Contrary to the belief of some you don't sink to their level by calling them out. Where were all these people that have an issue with his remarks when Turn 10 were running their mouths? Oh, I see, it was a 360 game. Don't even bother to deny it. I don't. The shoe is on the other foot now and he has it across the neck of Turn 10. Get ready because his entire team is on his back to help apply the pressure. Besides, it's like Dennis Miller said way before 2001, "Some say that if we do that it's a heinous thing and we sink to their level and they win. Well they may win but it's nice to know their guys won't be showing up at the trophy ceremony."
confuscious say "he who open ass first can't complain about smell"
I agree, Green. What Yamauchi said was much worse than what Turn 10 said, but the Sony fanboys will never admit that.
"Some say that if we do that it's a heinous thing and we sink to their level and they win. Well they may win but it's nice to know their guys won't be showing up at the trophy ceremony." Your quote doesn't even apply here. This isn't a war where people die. It's not like if Polyphony Digital call all the other racing games crap that all of their sales will disappear and all the people enjoying those games will suddenly stop playing and the developers of those games will die in a brilliant flash of light and be gone forever. Your quote was silly. I don't care about what Yamauchi said, I'm just pointing out that it is worse than what Turn 10 said and that Sony developers do talk sh!t about the competition.
It doesn't apply because he just stomped on some people you like. People that had it coming. I hope he isn't through. In fact, I hope he makes more such comments but to the nth power. It obviously drives people like you mad. And the quote applies. It isn't just applicable to war but to any situation where one must make a choice of using the same tactics as the opposition. if you can't see that then your view is more narrow than even I thought. Here, have a tissue.
Ok, i can understand you, but Yamauchi is a perfecionist!!! And Forza 3 is NOT a quality game! I really can understand him, he just know, how great his game is, and which quality it has. The other racing games have no quality (~in comparsion to GT5~), thats just right! And he is the only one, who is allowed to say such things, because he knows, that his game is above the compition..
He was probably quoted wrongly. They are a very classy developer.
Aww. From the title, I wanted a link to a fight...
turn 10 you can't say nothing
lol the xbot in the gamer zone acting butthurt wouldn't know hipocrisy if it red ringed on him.
its ok when a sony dev bad mouths the competition is it? are'nt you a hypocritical bunch. meh.there is better on the pc anyway(quote from the droid handbook of poor excuses)
I don't think you kids get it, when the competition (turn 10 lol) runs their mouth nonstop about Polyphony (who never uttered one word in their direction and quite frankly are known as some of the most professional developers around) it's a bit delusional to then complain when that same developer you already talked bad about in the first place does it back to you. Then again that's pretty much the story of this whole generation isn't it? 360 fanboys went on such a tear trashing and badmouthing the PS3 ever since it launched that it's downright comical to see some of those same fanboys now scream bloody murder when things don't go their way. just saying.
-More lies coming from your keyboard. You act like the poor innocent PS3 was attacked by 360 fans while PS3 fans sat there like little innocent angels. Well it's a big lie. Go read any of the early threads on this site from around the time the 360 and PS3 came out and you will see the 360 got just as much hate from the PS3 fans as the other way around. Also, I am not complaining about what Yamauchi said. I couldn't care less. What we 360 fans are saying is that you PS3 fans are a bunch of hypocrites. You whine and cry when somebody says their 360 game is the best, but when a PS3 developer says the competition is crap you guys act like it is perfectly normal and sensible that he should say that. Or you make excuses and say that it is ok this time because another developer said their game was better before. When in reality we know you guys would all be cheering this guy on even if nobody had said anything previously.-
is the most powerful advanced console on the market and the bots dont like it 360 tapped ages ago and 360 has been defeated in the graphics department and gt5 will put the nail in the coffin 360 nice knowing you this gen belongs to sony and ninetdo bye bye 360 your days are outnumbered on god opf war will put 360 in the coffin alot sooner than you think gt5 would never been done on the 360 thats a fact end of statment
"Actually I find it difficult to play the other games in more than five minutes at a time. The game's low level of quality really shines through in the other games and I can not hold them out!" Well you heard the kid i don't blame him he is just mad that he now have to release the game this fall accompanied by GoW3 and others 2008-2009 fake release promised games to fight the PS3 enemy before he REACH out success.
a lot of people dont understand that forza 3, need for speed shift and some other racing games are for casual racing enthusiasts. im a petrol head and i cant play anything else other than gt games because they have the real driving physics and the best of any racing games. having the ability to put custom paint schemes and stickers on cars doesnt entice a lot of hardcore gear heads but is there for the wannabes. there are a lot of components that differs in other racing games like the suspensions and how they act around corners or react under heavy braking or driving over candy stripes which only gt games are able to replicate realistically. the best way to see how realistic a lot of car games are is to drive around a realistic track in the game with a regular car that's stock and compare the ET to that of the ET of the same car driving around the same track in real life and gt games are the only ones that were the closest. what kaz actually said is not an insult but is the truth about other car games
but, in my experience on forza 2 online, there have been plenty of diehards, that take tuning to extreme measures to squeak that last tiny bit of performance out of their cars and take much pride in it. I just hated the way gt treated my favorite car, the first generation mr2's. just didn't feel right imo
With the first gen Mr2, they got the weight of the NA and supercharged models around the wrong way. But i think the handling was accurate enough for its time (i've owned one myself) As for the comment. At least its not a lie (maybe a bad translation)
I call bullcrap on this story. He wouldn't stoop to such low levels of commentary about his competitors. btw, why is CC regurgitating a Eurogamer article? Hits I assume?
This title is awful. It barely makes any sense.
if a person wants to play a tactical shooter then they wouldnt want to play mw2 to get their fix. if i want to play the best racing simulator then i'll be playing gran turismo. i dont understand people getting upset over logic because this guy is a hardcore petrol head.
Quick question, have you even played Forza 2/3?
... I say let this guy get his licks in. He's been quiet long enough. I'm thinking he must actually see a release date in the near future. Time to build up some hype.
That doesn't necessarily mean the forza series. there have been plenty of turds within the time frame since gt4. We can't jump to conclusions based on this broad comment. I'm sure he recognizes forza as a quality product imo, probably not quality opponents though if u know what i mean.
Well said Yamauchi, well said.
So when Turn 10 says something like Forza 3 will be the definitive racing sim (not calling the competitors crap, mind you) it's horrible and they should die in a fiery pit, but when Polyphony Digital literally calls all their competition crap they deserve a pat on the back? Typical double standards coming from the PS3 camp.
The thing is Saber there was nothing Definitive about Forza 3 other than the glitches!
You tell them big guy.... Kids should learn to respect their fathers.
http://www.joystiq.com/2009... How quickly we forget. What Turn 10 said was at best just as bad, maybe worse because Yamauchi-san probably can't play those games more than 5 minutes. Greenwalt made Forza superiority seem like a natural fact and insinuated smacking Yamauchi upside the head with these comments, even saying the "Emperor's naked right now." Here's another: “Perhaps the most surprising to me was when a couple developers from Gran Turismo makers Polyphony Digital came by to personally get hands-on with Forza 3, all the while taking careful notes, examining our UI system, shooting photos, and directly asking us some pretty interesting questions. The reason I say I was personally surprised was because PD aren’t generally known as a studio to acknowledge that there are racing games that exist beyond their own. Which could explain why the GT franchise has been so stagnant in the racing genre since GT3.” If you are 360 owner/Forza fan or whatever...whining about this comment, please STFU.
Hmmmm, hes trashing the competition, and no Sony fan is around to badmouth the guy. I suppose its only bad when Turn10 self proclaims to be the best, but its alright when a Sony guy says the competition is trash. Hypocrisy.
Turn 10 opened it's big mouth first. You get what you give. Fair is fair.
"I suppose its only bad when Turn10 self proclaims to be the best" Well you don't do that when you aren't... ;)