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Submitted by BadCircuit 1625d ago | article

Bring Back the Bots!

OXCGN looks at Bots in multiplayer and how current multiplayer without them is lacking. Includes poll of your opinion:

"There I was- in the middle of the desert in the presumed blistering heat with my rifle, waiting nervously for any sign of an enemy when, suddenly, one jumps out of the sand dune and shoots me in the head.

I was playing Far Cry 2 online with a group of people I didn't know, and despite having just been taken out, was having fun.

But it just wasn't the same as when I played local split-screen multiplayer with my friends and family at home- especially with extra game AI-controlled bots." (Culture, Gears of War 2, James Bond : Quantum of Solace, James Bond 007: Nightfire, Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, PC, Perfect Dark Zero, PS3, Time Splitters 2 HD, Timesplitters 4, Xbox 360)
Tipsed by: XboxOZ360

jack who  +   1625d ago
no thankx
BadCircuit  +   1625d ago
LOL I presume you mean X-bots....
gaminoz  +   1625d ago
Well 360 does have a couple of games that use bots: gears of war 2 (horde mode), Perfect Dark Zero, and the Left 4 Deads. Does Sony have any games on PS3 that use bots in multi?

Though I don't advocate X-botism...just wondering...
PoSTedUP  +   1625d ago
resistances, and i remember a few others, just cant think right now. it was ok but not as fun as old school bots. timesplitters, redfaction were some of my favorites.
Dutch Boogie  +   1625d ago
Yeah we have enough of them here as it is.
aaron5829  +   1625d ago
There are bots here on n4g...
oh wait... oh you mean.. bots.. as in bots.. ok
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Bathyj  +   1625d ago
Yeah Aaron, but we cant shoot them.
edgeofblade  +   1624d ago
@gaminoz
Yep. KZ2 had bots and they were implemented very well, IMHO.
-Alpha  +   1625d ago
I prefer split-screen
especially online split screen like Halo.

Ridiculous amount of fun, and in all honesty local multiplayer is sorely missed this gen.
BadCircuit  +   1625d ago
I TOTALLY agree with you. Split screen is much better socially and like the article says one reason why the Wii is still going so strong despite its weaknesses.

But really you need bots like the author says to fill up some cannon fodder and add that frantic pace. 007 Nightfire and Timesplitters rule because of that.
XboxOZ360  +   1625d ago
Definitely agree 110% there mate.

Too many developers are caught up in the wonders of online MP .. yet forget there is a huge market that does not want that level of involvement.

Notice the games that include the split screen and the bots do really good sales when compared to those that do not offer that. The article shows some very good examples of that . . .
PoSTedUP  +   1625d ago
i have a lot of fun with socom online. but there was nothing as fun as playing redfaction2 and timesplitters3 with my cousin, split screen, with bots... we loved it.
Elven6  +   1625d ago
Bots are great, especially if they are used in online matches as well to make up for a missing player. In games like PDZ, Shadowrun, etc if a team member leaves a bot takes their place, once a human member joins the bot is removed and the team member is put in its place.

I remember having tons of fun with bots in on the first 007 game on the N64 by EA, Tomorrow Never Dies I think. Bots and local player support are two things that should never die.
socomnick  +   1625d ago
Bots are a waste of developer time, they require complex ai and are just wasteful and not needed anymore.

They are better off wasting the time making new levels, weapons and polishing the game instead.
BadCircuit  +   1625d ago
@ socomnic

You want to talk about wasting time and effort: unless you are one of the top shooters (MW2 etc.) your game isn't going to get much play online anyway after awhile. THAT's the waste when someone could be playing (and keeping) your game because it has local multi and bots.
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STK026  +   1625d ago
I'd like to have both split-screen and bots, like, you know, in the original perfect dark. Funny thing is, the only game since Perfect Dark to feature 4 players split-screen with "controllable" bots, co-op, counter-op and customizable weapon choices in multilayer, will actually be the Perfect Dark remake, atleast on consoles.
JonnyBadfinger  +   1625d ago
Agreed
For me Conkers: LIVE and Reloaded split screen multiplayer with bots was the most fun i had ever had playing a video game. Perfect Dark Zero did a decent job, but then again i didnt have Xbox LIVE when the game launched to had no choice but to use bots.

Seems RARE are the only developers who still slip them in every now and then.

Seriously i gunna go play some Conkers now.... if i can find it. Teddiz for the WIN! Love the names the Bots were given in Conkers as well...SCARLET ROMP, the inspiration behind my name.
Real Gambler  +   1624d ago
They need better AI
9 games out of 10 are absolutely boring because the AI is bad (well, they are great the first time, maybe the second time, but after that?). We don't need more games with bots, but simply more games with better AI which, on the current console, is pretty hard to do without loosing something else. Until then, if I want interaction with somebody while playing, I attend a local LAN party. Sure I'm lucky enough to have Xbox and PS3 lan party in my area as well, so it does help.
raztad  +   1624d ago
You can set up offline matches against bots in KZ2. Elite bots can be really though.
edgeofblade  +   1624d ago
I think bots are incredibly important. They let users experience the multiplayer game without immersing in the uber-leet environment that every game turns into within a week of release. Not everyone wants to learn the ins and outs of an online game while the veterans yell "noob" at them.

But when there is a robust online, bots detract from the online population.

It's a balancing act, to be sure. I especially like games that can drop bots into a game and then replace them with real players as the game goes on.

@raztad: Bots in KZ2 were great... BUT when GG decided to unlock all the upgrades in offline mode, I lost all drive to play online anymore.
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raztad  +   1624d ago
@edge

People were using bots to level up. It was a necessary fix.

I just used them to get used to the online gameplay, when I felt comfortable enough I jumped into the fray.
aGameDeveloper  +   1623d ago
I prefer local multiplayer with bots
There are a couple of issues I have with split-screen gaming:

1. Reduced and distorted screen-space: The visuals were designed with the full screen in mind (5:4 or 16:9). Horizontal or vertical splits for two-players do not preserve this aspect ratio. Four-way splits do, but at a serious loss of resolution.

2. Reduced performance and/or loss of graphic quality: Splitting the screen doubles, triples or quadruples the number of times the world needs to be rendered per frame. While there are fewer pixels to render for each player, this is still a significant performance penalty. Developers often disable rendering features to compensate.

Add to these the fact that bots take a good amount of CPU to simulate, as well as a good amount of memory to store the data structures needed to run them.

The performance/memory requirements are the main reasons you don't see a lot of split-screen-with-bots on modern consoles - developers tend to feel there is more payoff in devoting system resources to better graphics (for single player or online multiplayer). PC has performance to spare, so bots on PC games are much easier to justify. The PC control scheme is not friendly to split-screen, however.

So console-only games are the most likely to support split-screen. PC-only games are the most likely to support bots. And multi-platform games (where there's the most profit for developers) are the most likely to limit support to online multi-player with no bots...
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XboxOZ360  +   1625d ago
Yes please!!!!

I prefer to play against them than half the idiots that infest XboxLIVE fro instance.

At least you have a fighting chance of playing a decent game, providing the developer has done their work properly.

Not everyone wants to play with mindless twits online, not everyone wants to submit their families to those people as well, especially if it may include a younger member of the family playing the game.

Bots server a greater purpose . . . they do need to be brought back.
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gaminoz  +   1625d ago
I agree that bots and split screen need to be more a focus again with developers. No matter how online has grown it still has its limitations and only a few games keep getting played. With offline and bots then the games's multi can be played forever.

Also I like how a couple of games (Gears of War 2 Horde mode and Left 4 Dead) are using bots within a co-operative multi (online or off)framework.

But definetly more offline split screen and with bots too to go with the online which could also use bots to fill up rooms and games or in co-op modes.
Umbrella Corp  +   1625d ago
When the zombie apocalypse hits and im in my bunker 200 ft down I doubt Im gonna find anyone online so yeah bots and split screen should be a focus.
gaminoz  +   1625d ago
Actually I'm reminded of one of the funniest moments in mulitpayer ever:

We were playing 007 Nightfire on Xbox split screen multi with the various James Bond bot characters with or against us when one of my co-players started shouting excitedly in panic:

"Here comes P*ssy, here comes P*ssy!!!"

whithout even realising what he was saying. Of course he was referring to the P*ssy Gallore bot, but it was the funniest thing seeing his expression and hearing his tone as he seriously panicked about p*ssy coming.

(Guess you had to be there?)
Myst  +   1625d ago
Lol! your getting bubbles just for making me laugh. The good 'ol days when friends came over for some split-screen action was a great time in gaming ( at least for me ).

Also yeah things like there you'd have to be there to see, Tone, facial expression and motions all contribute to the funniness of an event like that and others :p.
Silly gameAr  +   1625d ago
LMAO. That was funny as hell.
Jijoro  +   1625d ago
I hope Bungie will put bots in Halo Reach
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XboxOZ360  +   1625d ago
I certainly hope so too, as it would just round out the game beautifully ... Many games need bots in them, and they certainly need split screen capabilities.

Even with the games becoming physically interactive, such as Playstation's"Arc" and the 360's "Project Natal", there is a need for split screen, and the ability to play with bots . . .
pixelsword  +   1625d ago
Me too
that would be the best; I wouldn't have to go over my cousin's house to play online maps. It'll be just me and the bots.
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Myst  +   1625d ago
Perfect Dark Punching sim for the win!

Still remember that guy dodging a friends bullets as well as mine and then punching us to death. So much laughter and so much fail on our part as we couldn't kill the sim unless we choose to suicide ourselves :p.
BlackIceJoe  +   1625d ago
I so wish more developers would throw in bots and split-screen play. I never play online. Not because I am bad at games online. It is just that it is more fun to play with people you know and that makes the game so much more fun.
BadCircuit  +   1625d ago
We in Aussi-land get a lot of late night drunk Yanks in our online games (due to time diff)....not fun experience. Unless we arrange our own games, which isn't always easy to do.

Mind you kiddie gamers can be worse...

Split screen and system link with bots can really be fun: I just don't get why they just gave up on it.
-MD-  +   1625d ago
PDZ did it right.
BadCircuit  +   1625d ago
And yet nobody followed....shame.
MajestieBeast  +   1625d ago
Killzone 2 has bots if i can remember correctly.
cmrbe  +   1625d ago
hardly any
but its great to shoot them in the face.
Bathyj  +   1625d ago
Killzone had bots but got no credit for it. They were too busy knocking it for not having Co-op.
nix  +   1625d ago
and yup.. they were smarter than the ones we find here.
Bathyj  +   1625d ago
I dont play online, so its been along time since I enjoyed multiplayer games.

But back in the day, me a 2 friends, (3 was a good number for N64 to run well) would play humans vs Sims on PD64 till our thumbs went numb. I'm pretty sure I had something like 10K headshots, and we used to take pride in our accuracy as well as total kills per round.

Shooting ducks and Elvis's in Timesplitters was great too.

Only Mariokart64 got more multiplaytime then these 2 games at my house.

Bring back the bots.
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PLAYSTATIONGENRATION  +   1625d ago
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Split Screen and bots...and online split screen...is that too much to ask
The BS Police  +   1625d ago
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Bots were done best in the original Perfect Dark.
Legend of Yaslint  +   1625d ago
Glad to see so much love on here for bots in MP games. I know they said reach will have split screen, now if only it has bots then it will be great.

Killzone 2 and Gears 2 both did bots really well. I enjoyed some bot games almost more than vs. humans simply b/c the AI was smart enough to actually use teamwork and not spam rockets...

I'm guessing developing really good AI bots for MP is just too time consuming and that's why we don't see it more often?
Ravage27  +   1624d ago
don't know about gears
but the bots in KZ2 are really good! They really put in time to design the AI and it shows. I used them for training before hitting online

It would have been better with splitscreen though.
BaSeBaLlKiD721  +   1625d ago
If I wanted to play with Bots then I'll just jump on any online game on Xbox Live :P

Nah, just kidding. Although I don't really play with AI bots when they're available. I rather play against a live person rather than an AI bot.
Adropacrich2  +   1625d ago
Bots are awesome and sadly missing from Halo

And as much as i love Halo, i think it stinks that Bungie doesn't include them.The possibilities also for AI placement into multiplayer maps for single or coop player campaign style(not bots) is absolutely needed in Halo yet they refuse to give it to us.I love Bungie and their terrific Halo series but i do wonder why they haven't yet included this and other mentioned requirements

Bots are indeed a great inclusion and i often put a single game of Gears2 or Perfect dark on just for this delight
FantasyStar  +   1625d ago
Bots, split-screen, LAN-play and other offline features is a major deciding factors in my game purchases.

I can pick up a game like Timesplitters Future Perfect: grab three other players and play against bots. Those were good times.
BadCircuit  +   1625d ago
I am the same. I don't really want to keep using my money just for Xbox Live Gold when I could buy a good game instead. I would rather buy games that have local multiplayer and bots that I can play with friends than play with random people online.
khellendros1  +   1625d ago
Killzone 2 has bots but unfortunately no splitscreen.
Ravage27  +   1624d ago
yea i agree
Ronster316  +   1625d ago
Give it another week or so.
And there will be so many 2nd hand copies of MAG on shelves that you won't even be able to assemble a single 256 player match.

5 Droids & 251 bots on MAG from next week.

Have fun getting owned by the A.I. droids.
Godem  +   1625d ago
it does make the game more fun for those people without access to internet, but I guess on the financial side of it makes paying for xbox live or something not as tempting.
gaminoz  +   1625d ago
Yeah but non MS devs shouldn't care about that...they should care about making their game even more attractive to buyers to buy and KEEP.
Belgavion  +   1625d ago
Timesplitters 2 bots were the best

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