Myarcadeplanet.com takes a look into the stigma toward titles with only single player or multiplayer. And the double standard that seems to have arisen.
I thought both these games are on one companies platforms. Also terms should be changed to "company exclusive" so the petty BS spite comments would be moot. Example If Gow 3 for PS3 had a Psp version no one would start flame wars over it being on another platform it would be understood that its a Sony exclusive, same goes for 360/games for windows.
kid...noone is starting a flame war. It was a mistake when posted, that the PC was left off. Mistakes happen, it was fixed before you even posted. I would discuss this further, but you don't have the bubbles to. Great comparison of sp and mp, I kinda like a mix of both. I like shadowrun and oblivion. :P
"Recently, Irrational Games, the developers of Bioshock, announced that Bioshock would have no multiplayer mode included in the title" didnt they announce this in january? anyways...personally i think that bioshock would just be stupid if it had multiplayer MOST games arent worth my money if they only have SP or MP but yes i agree with the article that bioshock will chnage this
that Live reached 6 million users it close to 5 last time i checked
I think they said something vaguely about it then...but people assumed there was multiplayer. Usually, when games have no multiplayer...it leads me to rent them only. I'll see how the reviews come out before I buy it. :P
what are you talking about at GDC they announced it had reached 6 million
Yep GDC it was announced they have 6 million worldwide subscribers. While that number is probably inflated some by multiple accounts, that's still a big bank of users to ignore with single player only. Hopefully it will support downloadable content. :P
But only 3 million gold members.
Uh over 10 million consoles sold dumb ass. it's more like 3 million silver and 6 million gold. Where does Sony find you people?
So everyone that bought a 360 is online in your opinion? Cuz I know it aint fact. click the linke and feel that self ownage. Too funny! http://insidexboxlive.blogs...
look at Oblivion and Dead Rising.
Single Player only = Full game Multiplayer only = half a game? Why is there that disparity?
Not if you're an FPS though. That's one HUUUGE reason why Bioshock will not fare well. As for multiplayer only, also fine IF it's clear i.e. Warhawk's box. Not like Shadowrun. As for "company exclusives," that's the stupidest idea I've heard to try and justify PC/360 games as exclusive to 360. Worse than console exclusive. Exclusive means you can only get it in one place. People are putting up all these labels alongside exclusive because they need to justify how their console has so few real exclusives and they can't see that MS only wanted to get into the console business to stop Sony from taking over their PC business (already dying in gaming, that's why games are on both PC and 360). However, they failed the first time, and they'll fail even harder when they try to stop Sony this time. Can I only get Shadowrun or Bioshock on 360? No? NOT EXCLUSIVE! Learn.
As said above, God of War comes out on PSP, and it's no longer "exclusive"? People throw a freakin' hissy fit any time there's a 360/PC game, but they say zilch when it's PS2/PSP, or PS3/PS2. It's only no longer "exclusive" when it's across Microsoft's platforms. That's what people are mad about. Also: Shadowrun isn't selling because it sucks. And it IS an experiment- it's the first test to see if Windows and 360 gamers really can play together. Lots of multiplayer-only games do just fine, so that argument's out the window. World of Warcraft, anyone? Article end'd.
Besides counterstrike, and mmorpgs, a genre that the article probaly didn't mention just because of the 'Duh factor' what games out there skip the single player?
there is a BIG difference with that argument, the PSP version of GOW is a prequel a entirely new game and thus exclusive for the PSP/Sony, but with the argument of the 360/PC games is different since if you can play it on the PC and its the SAME game as the 360 is no longer exclusive since you have a "choice" were you play it voiding the "Exclusive" argument with the GOW on PSP argument you seem to confuse exclusivity of the franchise to a certain company vs exclusivity of a game to certain platform
I think the more I read on Bioshock the more it will just be a rental for me. Sounds like a game I could beat on a weekend. :P This could severely harm the sales of the game.
I disagree with your theory totaly, in fact I'm willing to bet you Bioshock hits a mil pretty quickly for the 360, maybe not Gears of War quick but it will be less than 2 months which is really fast compared to almost every other next gen game on any platform. Trust me based on everything I've seen and read it will happen. If it doesn't feel free to remind me if I forget but if I'm wrong I will personally apologize to you (on N4G) and admit that your theory was correct.
maybe I say this feral just because it's not my type of game. I enjoy a good shooter, but I like to tinker with the online element of things. We'll see though, maybe it will sell great and I still won't buy it. Or maybe it will sell terribly and it will be my favorite game. :P I'll rent it first and find out
Both games will flop sales-wise this always happends to new IP's unleash you spend like 20 million on marketing and hype then you will end up with horrible overated games like halo,gears,lost planet ect.
Because gamers have been used to having at least the single player part on every title; so a single player game can feel complete, unlike a multiplayer one (and that's why warhawk should be cheaper too, and why Shadowrun is a rip-off, especially because it's mediocre). Not only because we've been used to it, but because the only thing developers have to do with a multiplayer game is the scenarios. They don't have to worry about a storyline, about developing characters, about locations that actually make sense (unlike a multiplayer game, which can just be put up randomly; even procedurally generated), and in general every aspect of the game doesn't have to have high production values (like the soundtrack, physics, graphics; it doesn't have to be "top-notch"). That is, they only have to worry about gameplay mechanics; and that's okay, since it is the fundamental part of the game. Just don't expect hardcore gamers to think they've gotten what they've paid for, or to even want to pay for such a high price tag. A game like shadowrun would be swell for $20 bucks, but for $60 that simply shows you how Microsoft is full of sh17.
I don't usually agree with you, err well I don't ever remember agreeing with you but that comment makes a whole lot of sense. I don't know if Shadowrun should be $20 but $60 is too much for just a multiplayer game. A single player campaign can be deep enough to be a great game on its on (thats the way it was for a long time remember?)and I think Bioshock will do just fine in this area.
shadowrun good. playstation bad
i am playing the WARHAWK BETA right now! although i wish i had the story of the difference between the 2 races and why they are fighting it doesnt really matter in the end. every game i buy and actually plan on keeping has to have multiplayer. i hope more multiplayer only games come BUT NOT AT SHADOWRUNS HIGH PRICE! half a game means it should be half the price!
It's not a mass market premise. It's not even a hardcore 360 owner concept - a community whose main drivers were built on LIVE, but not even a hint of multiplayer in this game. It's not even set in the future with aliens which could have pulled it through slightly as an Xbox FPS. Also, multiplayer games MUST be cheaper than a full priced game (i.e. Warhawk). Another example of Shadowrun's faults. And as for the exclusive argument, I can't remember an instance where Sony consoles got the same game but no one else did, so that point is moot. A sidestory or portable game is not the same as 360/PC having the exact same game. Wii fans can accept it. RE4, Zelda TP - they're not exclusives. So why can't 360 owners accept that they don't have as many exclusives? What about Linux, that's not an MS platform, and some games are coming out on Mac/Linux/Windows as well as 360. That's right, MS doesn't get my money, nor did it matter because I wouldn't have to buy a 360 at all. It's just a way to try and justify not having exclusives by 360 owners. It's not some sort of conspiracy like suggested, it's the truth.
BioShock is one of those games that doesn't need multiplayer. The campaign will be sooo deep in features and options that you'll drown in it's awesomeness. If anyone here has played System Shock 2 you'll know what you'll be getting into, creepyness and fun and lots of stuff to do and a good story.
I dont know if it doesn't need multiplayer... I dont think it will be a factor to determine how successful it is but it would definetly add to the depth of the game hands down and improve its replay value. Granted, the game looks stunning either way.
Aaron Greenberg from Microsoft even said himself that there are 6 million users and only around 3 million are gold users. Here is the link in case you are a Xbot sucker http://www.gametrailers.com... So Live is not all that large anyway. Sony is catching up to live and it is free so anyone who signed up for PSN can or is playing on line. Sony has around 2 million with PSN accounts and that is as of two months ago.
Sony is doing a nice job trying to catch up with Live but they have a while to go before they get up to their level. They definetly have the free part going on for them though.
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