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Why do you like White Knight Chronicles?

"And why do you think it's getting panned? An open letter to the role-playing gamer community." - VideoGamesDaily

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Myst2864d ago

Georama and the GeoNet system as a whole are the main things I love about White Knight Chronicles.

Chris3992864d ago (Edited 2864d ago )

But I like the clean artistic design. The wide-open areas. The lack of a pretentious, over-complicated plot that can pervade both Western and Eastern RPGs. Save the princess, with a few twists, and used as a stepping-stone for the other two entries in the series. Couldn't be simpler.

The textures and performance of this game are really good too. Don't know why people keep skimming over that. Oh, and full-paperdolling is always nice.

How Magna Carta 2 got better reviews (and it's good if you like JRPGs, but as cliche as it gets - I'm actually polishing it off before coming back to WKC) from the SAME outlets, when it has less features and freedom, I have no idea.

Edit: The two year delay and launching the game when everyone is still high on ME:2 was suicide, as well.

vhero2864d ago

Can't wait for EU release got it pre-ordered I am ignoring reviews are they are very biased these days anyways I mean I loved Disgaea 3 and look at the reviews for that game..

dirigiblebill2864d ago

Some JRPGs try to be "deep" in a counter-productively explicit manner, throwing around moral or metaphysical dilemmas at the expense of character and coherence. You might as well pause the game every five minutes to read a snippet from Bertrand Russell. Conversely, games like Dragon Quest VIII tell rather simple, hackneyed stories but do so with sufficient wit and imagination to be entertaining.

I don't think WKC ever remotely manages this, though. It's not just that the characters are cliched, as that they're transparently artificial. There's no warmth or depth to them. It's like Level 5 just photocopied Grandia's manual and based the script on that.

Chris3992864d ago (Edited 2864d ago )

This, from the man who posted the - "Why it could have been great: White Knight Chronicles" article a couple days prior.

It's evident where your opinion on this game stands. In case you have comprehension issues, this article is called "Why do you LIKE White Knight Chronicles?". It is to invite a discussion on the merits of the game, not to be used as a hunting-ground for pedantic trolls.

Speaking of which, from your particularly articulate, wingeing and acerbic writing style I can infer that you: A.) should work for Edge or B.) wrote the aforementioned article.

In any event, your comment is kind of sad. No one in this thread cares what you think, it's for people who enjoy the game. You don't. We get it. Move on. Find another bridge.

dirigiblebill2863d ago (Edited 2863d ago )

And I also wrote this one. Unlike your beautiful self, I prefer not to dismiss people out of hand simply because their opinions differ from my own.

Thanks for the Edge recommendation though. I'll stick it on the old CV.

EDIT - I suppose somebody's going to say I've created an article in order to troll the resulting N4G thread, which really wasn't the idea at all - just got sucked into a debating frame of mind :p

For those who aren't clicking the link, if we get enough comments on the original VGD article I'll type up the better ones and publish them on the site. The idea is to give fans of the game something in the way of a podium.

Chris3992863d ago (Edited 2863d ago )

Against the 3 page panning that you wrote? Are you for real? Is this the Three Faces of Eve? Should we expect another article, of an even different temperament this time? And yes, it is fairly apparent that you created this article to troll for clicks, considering that your last one went over with all the impetus of a wet, simpering fart.

It's a shame that your arrogance leads you to believe that the "Edge" remark was a compliment.

Whatever floats your boat.

At least you're more eloquent than most of the bloggers that we have around here; certainly not any more informative though. Maybe you should turn your florid tongue to screen-shot comparisons. Probably more up your alley.

I'd love to stay and chat, but you really should have been on ignore long ago. By all means return the favor!

dirigiblebill2863d ago

I'm not sure what's more amusing - your painful insensitivity to irony or the mewling, puking obstinacy with which you attempt to gloss my articles and comments as those of a troll. Put you on ignore? Not a chance, you're far too entertaining. Like a little terrier, yapping feverishly at things its brain is ill-equipped to process.

My last article was anything but a "panning", as a less prejudiced or perhaps simply more literate reader might have detected - it was a discussion of the ways I feel WKC fails and the ways in which it shows promise. And this article is anything but an "attempt to troll for clicks" - I am, quite genuinely, struck by the gulf between critical and consumer reaction here, and I'd like to give space to both sides of the debate. If the mundane matter of article length is the issue for you, by all means throw us a few of your exquisitely thought-out comments to make up the word count.

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creeping judas2864d ago

I don't know why but it brings me back to the good old days of JRPG's. Grinding for levels, short but sweet story line and the best part there is no Marumaro characters in this game. Yes there are weird anime type characters, but they aren't annoying like in every other JRPG this gen.

Chris3992863d ago (Edited 2863d ago )

If your intent was to express an opinion on: "the ways I feel WKC fails and the ways in which it shows promise," then you failed, wretchedly.

There were no real merits or accolades in your piece, none at all (a weak nod at a character creation system that was quickly dismissed, maybe). There was a great deal of personal pandering and reflection on what you thought (in your omnipotent wisdom) the game should have had. Grand spectacles that, had you the sense to realize, are simply not possible on a 4 year old piece of tech with 512 megs of RAM.

As a writer who has been published in several magazines, fitness circulars and sports-journals, let me offer some advice to a burgeoning member of the craft.

1.) Get yourself an editor ffs (or a better one). Had you said in one page what you ambled on with in four, your point would have been much more succinct, palatable and open for interpretation. But as it was, there was nothing left to analyze, nothing to debate, for you had said it all.

2.) While this article (the first one) was by your own admission, an editorial/ review, it hastily devolved into the realm of an opinion piece. If you are trying to present a factual argument, a weighing of 'pros' and 'cons', no one cares what you think. You should be as jurisprudent as possible, so that people can see the reason behind your argument. And the story of you, a bumbling Otaku, freshly birthed from post-secondary school tied into another string of verbal nonsense, adds little to the article; and in fact, illuminates your inexperience, making it difficult to take you seriously.

3.) Verbosity does not equate intelligence, nor obfuscate ignorance. Having a well-developed vocabulary is wonderful, but leads to diarrhea of the mouth more-often than Harvard wit. Again, a solid editor would work wonders here for you.

4.) A terrier? That's the best that you can come up with? He who posts a story, writes a retraction of sorts, obsessively monitors the threads related to said story and displays all the fortitude of an insecure school-girl towards people who contest with her? What would be your moniker then? Emma, Sally? Eustice, maybe.

I'm really not trying to be an as$hole, but you're making it difficult, dear Eustice. I suggest that you get outside today instead of emotionally festering over your work. Part of writing, of life, is criticism. If you can't take that, I question how far you'll make it.

dirigiblebill2863d ago

"If your intent was to express an opinion on: "the ways I feel WKC fails and the ways in which it shows promise," then you failed, wretchedly" [incorrect colon usage]

There were no real merits or accolades [simply "merits" - don't indulge your taste for rhetorical amplification - and "accolades" isn't the right word. Look it up.] in your piece, none at all (a weak nod at a character creation system that was quickly dismissed, maybe) [flesh this out - how exactly would you take issue with my point about "participatory" players?] There was a great deal of personal pandering [to what?] and reflection on what you thought (in your omnipotent wisdom) the game should have had [or rather, on the strength of my 20 hours of playtime]. Grand spectacles that, had you the sense to realize, [bad grammar - perhaps "you should have had the sense to realise"] are simply not possible on a 4 year old piece of tech with 512 megs of RAM. [What about God of War 3? Killzone 2? Uncharted 2? Dante's Inferno? To name but a few...]

As a writer who has been published in several magazines, fitness circulars and sports-journals, let me offer some advice to a burgeoning member of the craft. [How generous you are. Perhaps a few personal health tips while you're at it? In return, I'm happy to share what I've learned from editing and proofing MA theses, localising articles from Greek and Polish and managing a writing journal.]

1.) Get yourself an editor ffs (or a better one). Had you said in one page what you ambled on with in four, your point would have been much more succinct, palatable and open for interpretation [loose and affected usage of these terms - how is the food metaphor appropriate? Aren't "succinct" and "open for interpretation" mildly contradictory?Deploying trios of adjectives or adjectival phrases for the sake of it is one of the worst journalistic sins]. But as it was, there was nothing left to analyze, nothing to debate, for you had said it all. [Good god, do you really believe that I've said *everything* there is to say on WKC? I suggest you play on a bit more.]

2.) While this article (the first one) was by your own admission, an editorial/ review, it hastily devolved into the realm of an opinion piece. If you are trying to present a factual argument, a weighing of 'pros' and 'cons', no one cares what you think. [<< The connection between this sentence and the preceding one is unclear. As is your phrasing - are you arguing against pro-and-con pieces? Or against opinion pieces that give pros and cons?] You should be as jurisprudent [Why the contrived recourse to legal terminology? Do you mean "clear" or "transparent"?] as possible, so that people can see the reason behind your argument. [Indeed.] And the story of you, a bumbling Otaku, freshly birthed from post-secondary school tied into another string of verbal nonsense [without specifics, this so much empty posturing], adds little to the article; [other than a brief history of the JRPG's fortunes in the past five years, you mean - quite relevant, one might have thought; questionable semi-colon usage here] and in fact, illuminates your inexperience, making it difficult to take you seriously.

3.) Verbosity does not equate intelligence [incorrect, affected usage of "equate" - try "equal"], nor obfuscate ignorance. Having a well-developed vocabulary is wonderful, but leads to diarrhea of the mouth more-often than Harvard wit [Yes, and you've proved this admirably]. Again, a solid editor would work wonders here for you. [Why have you made the point about getting an editor twice?]

4.) A terrier? That's the best that you can come up with? He who posts a story, writes a retraction of sorts, obsessively monitors the threads related to said story and displays all the fortitude of an insecure school-girl towards people who contest with her? What would be your moniker then? Emma, Sally? Eustice, maybe. [I prefer Ellen, personally. Though hadn't we already decided that I was a paedophillic old lady?]

I'm not trying to be an asshole either, believe it or not. Well, maybe a little. I freely admit to monitoring these threads, though in my defence I find this is good practice if you want to raise an article's temperature, and sure, I've been a little over-the-top or "schoolgirlish" in my responses :) But it takes two to tango. Perhaps if you'd troubled to engage with the specifics of my arguments, to actually *dispute* them, rather than block their publication in the name of your hard-on for a fairly bland game, we might have spent the past 24 hours a little more productively. Perhaps if you'd bother to actually *criticise* rather than jam your fingers in your ears and scream "TROLL", we'd have gotten along famously.

Anyway. I have better things to do and I sincerely hope you do too. So this is me signing off. If you want to have the last word (of course you do), knock yourself out. Till we meet again...

Chris3992863d ago (Edited 2863d ago )

But I'm more tired than anything else. And, for the record, all of your nit-pickerry would likely have been caught by an editor had any of my post(s) been an ACTUAL article, unlike your ramshackle little "piece".

So best wishes to you, and I sincerely hope to see as little of you as possible. Wiry, Otaku, pedantic nerds aren't a turn on for me. Better luck with your next infatuation.

P.S. There are multiple "errors" in your assessment of my post, but I will say this, GOW in all it's majesty could never be an open-world RPG. It's grand because it's design focus is narrow and made of set-pieces.