ONM look back at the old games that aren't as good as they remember them being when they were originally released.
Agreed things are never as good as you remember them, at the time they were great but what we have now is so much better but thats life.
idk i still play goldeneye and it is a good as i remembered it to be, i mean, it's the same as it was when it was released. you cant compare NEW games to old games because back in the day games were a lot more fun and had a lot more features and elements (except online consoles). turok dinosaur hunter had so many guns, so many huge levels, you can swim underwater and have to really time your jumps, could climb things etc. games nowadays don't match that because it cost more to make a game and it is harder to, they worie more about cutscenes and story. look at how many weapons goldeneye had back in the day, the game was pretty big, fun, 4 player split screen, can control how difficult the enemys are 100%, can crontrol how accurate they are, how quick they react etc. how much health they have to make it realistic. look at the weapons in the turok franchise... OMG. look at the multiplayer... you can run around as a raptor or even a monkey, it was so much fun, arrows stuck into the wall so you can recollect them. i can go on for days... let me stop here it's not about the graphics bc you obviously can't compare. goldeneye is still holding fps down. turok and perfect dark, dukenukem 64.. ah they don't make em like they use to... 1080* snowboarding is a whole other rant. : )
I simply couldn't disagree with you more, games weren't more fun back in the day, they were fun at the time sure, but time has moved on, the game play then was so much more simplistic and as for more features, seriously you have to be kidding. The games that we played 10-15-20+ years ago are clouded in happy memories and looked back upon with fondness but never when going back to play these games does the reality match up to the memory.
Goldeneye glitchy.... Yet it got amazing reviews back then yet games today get SLATED for it because game developers are expected to do SO much more than back then. See Goldeneye and games like it succeeded so well because. If you have nothing but low quality games coming out they become average and its what you expect so when a better game comes out which should be average it propels to amazing as its obviously better than everything else. DLC and the internet have changed gaming in a whole new way and the fact we no longer will we accept trash games and if developers release them they will fail but back then even the trash games did well as we didn't have much choice. Development costs of course have put a lot of pressure on developers to get it right first time too thus making games even better and turning reviewers into critics.
imo in a way they are more complex to some of the games nowa days. not all of them, but in fps in the present i don't see many that can match turoks elements, not even the new turok had as many weapons as the old one, couldnt swim underwater, couldnt even climb things, was shorter, smaller, there was even the same ammount of enemys on screen at a time as the old one which came out 10 years ago. games have there elements but not all of them include all of what was in turok and imo do not do them as well. games are different nowa days, it depends what you are looking for i guess. no i am not kidding you about features, i just explained mydelf. games were actually not so simplistic. sure games are better technically nowa days because technology has moved on, but gameplay wise they only innovated so much and some games nowa days are simplistic. the new army of two 40th day (i like the game) but it is simplistic. Kz2 i could shoot people and the grapics were good, but where was the flying? the swimming? not enough guns... i guess it is how you look at it, i understand that games are leaps and bound over the oldschool, BUT in what way? not every way, and not in the ways which means most to me. @ below- yeah i dont remember any glitches either, played it a lot too, maybe you had to go and look for them but i dont remember getting stuck or anything or even seeing too many glitches.
I find Goldeneye aged way worse than Perfect Dark, despite the similar gameplay. Perfect Dark was the right choice for a revival. I know I was younger when playing Goldeneye but I don't remember any glitchiness. Anyone care to fill me in?
is that the A.I. is a bit weak. don't get me wrong, I love the game, but I played it about 6 months ago when i pulled my 64 out the closet to play some game, and i was astonished how terrible the a.i. was at times. I sure didn't remember it being that bad. It brought back great memories though. In fact, I might play it again today.
if you play it on hard you can control the A.I. make it react quicker, roll out of the way, jump out of the way, run away from granades quicker. i mean it didnt make them smart completely but that was the best you could do back in the day. on easy they didnt do too much to avoid you and seemed dumb, but on hard it was a different story. (but still didnt alter their intellegence, just made them react quicker) wasen't that bad imo for oldschool and only a select few newer games have good A.I. like fear and killzone to where i can actually say "wow look at there A.I.". other games not so much : /
it was about playing with other people... the multiplayer was where it was at... if anyone played it single player cuz they had no friends then it wouldnt be as good
I completely disagree...Mario 1, 2, 3 are just as fun, so is Contra, Tecmo Bowl, Double Dribble, etc, etc, etc....some games today lose their level of fun because they are too complex.....why do you think the Wii and DS are so successful?...they are capitalizing on the formula of old.
"the game play then was so much more simplistic and as for more features," Tetris is simplistic and to me tetris is one of the most addicitve and fun games around. Still to this day (for me). It depends on the person but i prefer and still play old games more today than new ones. Super mario world is still my favourite game. The only problem is they are best played on smaller SD tvs as the tvs of today are much bigger than they once were. Meaning some games (or all of them) will look terrible on a big screen because they werent built for tvs this big.
I agree with postedup the weapons in turok would crush an entire halo army. What is funny is golden eye plays like a better version of halo. If they kept adding crap like halo then it would have been a better game today. It had way better level design for multiplayer and it's one of the few reasons I still have an n64. Yet I'm curious as to why the fire power of turok is not in hd games? Maybe the single player is better these days but I don't know many people who play goldeneye for single player. We beat that only to get the goods for multiplayer. It's really sad how gamers this gen dump on old games with out really playing them. Then you try to you nosta arguments on us. Come on really I can still tell you what made old tron arcade games fun to me. New games lack a lot and is this the only hobby that constantly tries to tear down the old who are these people?
Nostalgia is a great distorter of reality, sure Golden Eye was probably the pinnacle of shooters back in its day but if it was released now it would be met with disdain. That's progress
Im not so sure. Ive had morefun plaing Golden eye and Perfect dark then MW2, K2 and Halo 3 combined.
I had more fun playing Timesplitters 2 than any other FPS or shooter ever created to this date. If anything internet gaming destroyed the fun of gaming for me as there was nothing better than inviting 3 mates round and playing 4 player TS2 with a few beers :)
I second that motion it was especially fun when one your buddies accuses you of screen watching then you get into a fight about it right before your other friend kills both of you right when your arguing then you two team up to take the third guy down.
Well if you enjoyed those games more than great, but I'm afraid when I go back and play the old classics the reality is that they just don't compare to today's blockbuster games for gameplay, features, graphics (obviously) and the all important one enjoyment. KZ2, MAG, even MW, of which I'm not the biggest fan, are all far better than Golden Eye and Timesplitters ever were. Maybe the happy memories are not just of the games themselves but the mood of the moment.
"I second that motion it was especially fun when one your buddies accuses you of screen watching then you get into a fight about it" lol yeh i used hate how they knew where i was setting my 'remote mine' traps.
is that it's so wrong to compare old games to new games, time will make its impact, just look at how much work rare did at that time and imagine if rare was still alive, kickin and modernized, it will put today's games to shame right?? the original rare team have left the company shortly after perfect dark 64, the new rare simply sucks, they are just bunch of average developers sticked with a legendary name anyway, I can't wait for perfect dark XBLA, gonna be amazing and PDZ sucks
@ your disagrees, it's true that they did formed free radical, so we probably wouldn't of had any Timesplitters games :O or Haze lol. From what I believe they left just before the end of the game (PD), which kind makes sense where it kind of goes weird and boring lol
Yeah, I cannot wait for perfect dark to hit XBLA!
Oh ok, why don't you go play Final Fantasy IX or something and say if it sucks. Classics FTW.
of course things aren't as good as you remember them but they are still great due to nostalgic factor. no need to compare goldeneye to killzone 2 =P thats like comparing and old chevy to a bugati veron is the old chevy better? no is it still awesome? yeah!
A Bugatti Veyron that handles like an old Chevy.
All I know is that back in 2000 if I had a choice between Goldeneye 007, PD, and Killzone 2, I know which one I would choose. However, Goldeneye and PD are still awesome and as good as I remembered so I disagree with the article.
perfect dark\goldeneye>killzone 2 anyday
Go to hell you stupid article! I can pick up any of these games on the spot and thoroughly enjoy them because you know why? They aren't a cakewalk to beat, these old games actually present a challenge that we've forgotten, most games now in days are so easy its like its like watching a movie. This is one reason why I applaud Demon Souls because it actually has the guts to actually go back to the older generations and expand upon them to make a game better instead of having one revolutionary game and having companies milk off the idea so they can make a quick buck.
Goldeneye still has that little something no other game was able to recreate. I personally don't care about great graphics (thought they're a nice addition).
Course the kids these days are going to say Goldeneye or any other old game looks like trash. Dumb article indeed.
It's not the games from your past that change, it's the player. While the author does name some games he believes have lost their appeal he doesn't really go into to great a detail as to why. That's cause he can't. Goldeneye for example he makes mention of the controls. Naturally it would be more difficult to control an FPS using a controller with only one analog stick. What you should look at are what shooters have let you experience that you now demand. So you give this old game enhanced graphics, 2 analog control,"down the sight" aiming, lighten the feel (for Modern Warfare fans) or heavy the feel(Killzone fans) and online for its multiplayer and this game would easily stack against any of todays top shooters. It's not that the games are not as good as you remember, they are that good, its simply the player has been spoiled by the modern mechanics and expectations of todays games.
goldeneye you can use two analogue sticks ; ) it let you use two controllers, it was cool imo. but i know what you meant. all other games. "What you should look at are what shooters have let you experience that you now demand. So you give this old game enhanced graphics, 2 analog control,"down the sight" aiming, lighten the feel (for Modern Warfare fans) or heavy the feel(Killzone fans) and online for its multiplayer and this game would easily stack against any of todays top shooters." yeah pretty much bro, all the gameplay is there, plus some. its just the technology that we have now that makes it more appealing.
I just re-purchased a snes with 7 games-zelda and mario world included.Best 40 bux I've spent in a long ass time. I've never stopped playing my old games. battle of olympus-wizards and warriors - legendary wings still some of my favorite games of all time and I still replay them regularly!!
i just bought a reg nintendo with 35 games for $60. it was a good investment imo. playing some really cool games that i've missed back in the day. i play it at least once a week. jackal and contra, some of the craziest games. metroid and super mario 2, can never be replaced. except the super nitendo super mario was my fav. @below 11- i played that, it was good though it was hard to play going back to it, couldnt beat the first level. the one with the dogs, i gave up... people shot me to death and i couldnt get close to them.
And you can't say its the nostalgia speaking. Those games are actually entertaining.
A game that has really stood the test of time is metalgear on the NES the very first one, I replayed the emulatored version and I think its still great. If you have never player it you should give it ago.
Many NES/Sega/Snes/Megadrive games are still great this day.
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f*** you, Goldeneye will always be good, especially when you remember those good times playing it in multiplayer with some friends.
When I was a kid I had a Sega Megadrive(genesis) and more than 50 games. I'd play them for hours at a time and never get bored. About a year ago I downloaded a genesis emulator and a whole load of roms and I could honestly only play most of them for two minutes at the most. I can't even imagine how I could have played all the way through some of those games. There are a few that I think still stand up though. Flashback and the Mutant league football/hockey games are still brilliant and I could easily play them for hours.
The memories of Goldeneye, The World is Not Enough and Timesplitters are great. Used to play split screen on those games so much with my sister and mates when I was young. Haha just remembered, in The World is Not Enough the ai in multiplayer were called AI Bots. Used to call them AL Bots back then XD And ye as others have said, games are way too easy now. I remember searching for ages in the Russian level in Goldeneye for where the hell to go! XD
To see if the memories still stand and I'm afraid they don't. I spent countless hours playing Timesplitters and thought it one of the greatest games ever, but after playing it for an hour it becomes apparent just how much games have moved on, the graphics obviously are not comparable but I had recollections of it being quite difficult, truth is I haven't played the game for maybe 7 or 8 years, picked it up and breezed through story mode, the maps are small, character animations poor, controls were good and responsive but the fun factor just wasn't what it used to be. Blowing the heads off zombies used to be great fun but the only thing the games got going for it now is the controls and sadly that ain't enough. I still think peoples recollection of games is clouded by the misty haze of nostalgia, after all we all had less to worry about 10-20 years ago, spent more time gaming with friends and as for games being more difficult back then, well maybe we just weren't as good at playing them. In 10-15 years todays new gamers brought up on the likes of KZ2, MW2, ME, Halo, U2 and Gears etc. will be telling everyone how the latest crop of games aren't as good as the ones from their childhood, I guarantee it.
Some old games don't hold up, but the games this guy listed are still great. I hate it when people play old games and feel the need to make blanket statements that such and such is laughable when played now. Times were different back then. Most of the SNES/Genesis/n64 games hold up extremely well to todays standards. IMO, If classic gaming isn't fun to you then you've lost the true essence of what playing videogames is all about. On a side note, how relevant will Modern Warfare 2 be when the servers are shut down? Goldeneye will still be able to pull off MP without a hitch.
The 'true essence of what gaming is about' is enjoying playing great games not hanging on to past times, no matter how good they were. I still think a lot of people are mistaking happy memories of time spent with friends in care free days for actual quality of the games we played. Anyway each to their own, but if anyone truly prefers Golden Eye and Turok to U2, K2 and the like then good luck to em. but I sure as hell know which gives me the most enjoyment and it's not the oldies.
What is funny is nothing has beaten quake 3. Nothing I even play with the lowest graphics with a workstation class set up and I live it. If you didn't like the game to begin with or you have no one to play it with then sure some of those games are not good. Yet killzone 2 is still being replayed? Really yet Ive been playing some of these games for years. Not to kick killzone but most of the hd line is not fun with out online much like goldeneye. Which is what others have been trying to tell you guys for a while. Yet we can make quake 3 servers till we die yet EA will stop that mw2 server one day.
This guy is clearly a newfag who doesn't appreciate the gameplay, and only sees the graphics.
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