One common complaint about Battlefield: Bad Company 2 is that it doesn't allow you to lie flat - you have to either crouch or stand. Well, cry all you want but Papa DICE isn't going to change it.
Im not gonna cry. Me and my friends just wont buy the game. If MAG lets you prone, then you should beable to in Bad Company 2. How bout this, quit crying and just give us, the people who actually buys your products, what we want? Boo hoo, I guess Dice will have to settle with being behind Modern Warefare forever?
Do you want a tissue for all that crying? Not being able to go prone is not that big of a deal. I don't snipe very often but when I do there are plenty of places to go where you are easily out of site. The only other people who go prone are the ones who lay down in corners waiting for someone to walk bye. Being able to go prone does not make or break again. If you don't like it go back to MW2 and exploit some glitches.
I actually hate that. So many times I've gotten killed because I can't go prone. It really sucks and I think they're just being stubborn.
I pwn in Battlefield BC, and 1943 as a rifleman running around killing people and almost never stop moving. As a sniper, i don't need to go prone, since I can find A BUSH TO HIDE MY SELF IN. You're nearly invisible with the gille suit crouching in the bush. Unless you're in a common camping spot, or have stayed there over 5 minutes, you won't die that much. Prone isn't an requirement, just use cover well.
I'm glad you can't go prone - tired of no skilled looser who pick snipe and go prone the whole game trynna pick you off....although, that IS what a sniper is supposed to do though >_>
like i know it would be really hard to spot enemys if they where proning, everyone just have to eat more carrots lol.....but seriously you now how supid it feels to go on a roof with a sniper and crouch like what the helll. when i first played the beta i kept going on the roofs to set an advantage point and people kept killing me right away lol had no things on the roof to hide behind basically i was a sittting duck. plus if you cant prone what the hell is the point of having a tripod on a gun none the less tripod unlocks lol....like im not hating on this game im sure it going to be really good but not be able to prone really felt stupid....its just not right a sharpshooter would never snipe crouched thats just absurd. its an amazement were even sniping each other crouching lol. u'd think we were skeet shooting......i just really cant figure out why they didnt include and the excuse are maps are so big that people would spam the proning or whatever isnt good enough for me, add a killcam like call of duty for those who prone and snipe plain in simple. we get to prone but at a cost of revealing out position atleast if we die snipping we get the chance to have dignity and not look like amateurs crouching and sniping with a frickin tripod...lol
The whole point of Battlefield is not being able to hide from anybody. Everything is destructible is a fine example of that so prone wouldn't make sense anyways. I'm glad it's not got prone as good snipers are hard enough to kill anyways prone good snipers would be near impossible.
I love this. I hate people who go prone and hide somewhere that is nearly impossible to see and then they get all of these kills and they talk crap.
Prone is for campers. Simple as that. I do extremely well without it.
Why are you bringing MAG into this? Is that your sole decision to choose MAG? Because you can go prone? Anyways, K2 didn't have prone and nobody had a problem. In BC2 I assume snipers want to hide, but that's what bushes are for. I'm more concerned with: 1) Killcams, giving away your position REGARDLESS OF PRONE 2) Spotting and tracking players Thankfully there will be a hardcore mode removing both of those. I think at the very least prone should be JUST for snipers or it should take up a perk slot, but I just worry about the balance. Anyways, prone is really the least of my worries for this game.
thats crying man =/ not getting a game because of not being able to go prone? =P unless you were bring sarcastic - in which case you forgot the /s...
It's funny watching all the uber BFBC2 fanboys try to spin this like it's a feature instead of a limitation. :) Seriously, it's retarded. FPS games on the frikkin PSP even let you go prone. It's a valid military technique. It's useful. Not having it in an engine that is so advanced and so realistic is SUPER goofy, IMHO. If someone is lying down camping they should be dead meat in this game if it's as awesomely deep and strategic and tactical as everyone who loved the beta said. Will it ruin the game? NO. Will *I* still buy it? YES, totally. But it's still DUMB, IMHO, just not deal breaker dumb.
I first took issue with not being able to go prone in Killzone 2, but after a while with the online portion of KZ2 and experiencing more of that heavy urban warfare feeling you get, you can understand how more enjoyable KZ2 can be compared to other shooters like COD.
I would prefer to be able to go prone as a good sniper will have an easier time taking out an average sniper when both are prone. It's a hard shot when all you have to shoot at are 4 pixels :) I hate snipers, so I play them a lot and focus on taking out other snipers. Though of course anything else in my sights is fair game as well :)
ask me which games don't let you go prone and I will answer the best FPS games in the history of online gaming. PC exclusive Battlefields being the ONLY exception. CoD was never considered better than battlefield when they were pc driven. But I wouldn't expect console gamers to understand that.
Maybe they dont want that jump proning glitch that was widely use in BF2? Or was it called leap frogging, i dont remember. Anyway, the proning in the air gave people who use PKM heavy machine gun almost an instant kill ability against soft targets. But since this is a completely different game with a different engine/source code or whatever, I dont understand why they dont allow prone stance. Terrible news for snipers. ^ KZ2 is not a Battlefield game though. Maps arent gigantic. Then again Bad Company maps pales in comparison to how big BF2 maps were. Gotta love tall grass as a sniper back then and go lone wolf.
I bet half of you people don't even know you can spot people out for your teammates by pressing back/select when hovering over them. EVEN if you could go prone playing with good people would prevent anything good to come from that. Hey look that guy sniped me from there! Spawn, spot, and usually dead. But back to what I said first that being said makes it almost impossible to camp anywhere. hiding behind a bush means nothing once someone presses that button. Learn the game, go back to playing your terrible mw2. At least there's no airstrikes and auto helis, than you kids would REALLY be complaining.
Non-campers: Hooray!! Campers: WAAAAAAA
No more dolphin diving. :D /
personally i don't mind that they won't let you go prone...it actually make me feel like the good old days of CS all over again >.> except we got tanks, big maps and lots of covers and crap to blow up this time. +, the fact that there are projectile physics just make prone target very unbalance when targets at long range. Also the maps are so big that's one way to discourage camping. On the technical side....all I can think off is having your body parts sticking out of walls being a problem since most of them are fairly thin and destructible. and there are way too many places that you'll end up being stuck in a prone position with the way some items are layout on the map.
And another thing, for people trying to be in competition against COD, they sure gotta pretty crappy attitude towards their fans and about what features we want in a game. They are jerks indeed. I follow alot of the Bad Company Devs on Twitter and their outlook on life is bleak at best. They are total bigots and have bad character. Personally, I dont give a crap about those losers, but they are taking a game that could actually be the best shooter of all time and making it crap, The spoiled, rich kid mentality those guys have reminds me of that one dude from Grandmas Boy, the one who talks like a robot. Yeah, those dudes are worse then even FourZeroTwo.
Since when are you a fan ? From what i've seen it's mostly newcomers that want to turn the game into COD bis that are complaining about prone . Wich is kind of funny , most of those guys dont even use prone and rush like fools with an akimbo ... while the vultures around just camp .
"F*ck you turd nugget" lol hahaha that movie was pretty funny......i really dont mind them not adding prone it do mind when everybody relates proning to snipe to a camper. if a person was not meant to prone while sniping why the hell is there tripods on the sniper rifles and unlocks lol....geez dont include tripods if a character cant prone lol. and dont act like if proning was implemented everybody would snipe cuz thats not the case in cod theres just as much kids with ADD and attention spans compareble to that of a squirrel running around like morons lol as there is campers...theres usually like one or 2 kids that prone a game everybody else runs around like maniacs...most of the kids that play video games have attention spans of squirrels and only small amounts of kids can camp....and sniping actually takes a skill in bf bc 2. you have to compensate for distance n such...proning just feels right when you want to snipe properly....im nort a sniper i always get less kills when i snipe but proning is a good tactical defense against a sniper also....most of the time you dont know where they are so you drop to the ground.......dont be so biased when you diss proning and say its camping.....theres good things and bad things about everything try looking for the good too.....before you judge or make an opinion...by no means would i ever want this game to be like cod....
@ those who argue prone is for campers.
In the rush mode one side HAS to defend? what some call camping others call defense. If you cant take cover half the time because you cant go prone, thats just plain bad game design.
I am worried this is due to console player concerns because all previous non bad company BF games had prone. At the very least the PC version of BC2 should have prone.
With maps this big, it would be impossible to spot someone lying on the ground camo'd. This game is perfect with out it. @ above, if you take cover I'll just blow it up. There's rarely going to be a window/something to look over that you can't crouch behind. But even then, like I said, someone will just blow it up. And tripods can be set on other things then the ground, dur.
When I snipe, I want to give those that I sniped to a little bit of chance too. It would be unmanly of me to prone and take cheap shots. And with spotting, they can easily spot me, so we can duel it out with sniper rifles while gauging the wind, the gravity, the range, to see who's shot will hit first.
Of course, in the real world, I would prone, since my life is at stake. But this is just a game. It's suppose to be fun.
It is just prone, no big deal. After playing the Beta I can see why they are leaving it out. There would be way more people camping and that would equal a not as fun game.
Agree, the only people that would get upset about not being able to go prone are campers or "snipers" as they like to call themselves. They have gillie suits, if you can't be successful with that you shouldn't be playing.
Yeah, I think they've done a good job of balancing snipers between the lack of prone and the kill cam. Even with those features, snipers can still be brutally effective.
if ur not gunna prone you mise well not snipe at all....maybe if whoever shot kennedy was crouching instead of proning , kennedy would still be alive..........maybe if sharpshooters crouched behind bushes the germans might have one ww2 lol whether you think its cheap or not a sniper is a camper and thats not a bad thing lol, what else would a sniper be its about being patient and being one step ahead of your victim or prey and let your victim come to you it gives you the advantage.......that is what sniping is. it aint called sniping just cause of the name of the gun....lol.....people and there hate obsession for campers lol is just to funny.....last time i checked on cod 6 people running around mach 10 with care package in their hand and light wieght and unlimited sprint stabbing people are even more annoying lol......i know this isnt about cod just every ones hate for campers derives from that game.......
Lemmiwinks...camping was around and annoying long before CoD. And it's not so much an issue with camping in general as it is with snipers hiding on hill sides laying down in tall grass for an entire round. I understand what you are saying but the point is, it unbalances the game. Yes sniping is about patience and stealth and all that crap but constantly being picked off by 6 different people on the other team because they are off hiding somewhere where you can't see them is not an enjoyable experience. Making them easier to see may make it less realistic but it makes for a better game. I mean would you really want the game to be as realistic as possible? That doesn't sound like a fun game. You would say we are whiners and I would say you are cowards.
Maybe realism will be a relevant concern when it doesnt annoy the heck out of people and isnt a detriment to the game . Again very funny that those guys demands realism , but only the kind feeding their arcadish hobby . Most of the whiners wouldnt be caught playing an actual simulator , hell not even a ghost recon or Operation flashpoint , because supposedly no fun and too clunky ... Some guys should stop pretending they aint playing a simplified quake with half an arsenal comprised of automatic unbalanced weapons .
COD is not a game that does any thing seriously realistic. Like somebody said it's a freaking arcade game. For one a gun that shoots 9mm rounds will not do more damage then a .45. Weapon practically have unrealistic and fake recoils. Made up weapon damages. A real chest plate body armor can absorb 4 ak rounds or more depending on the armor.
Camping is part of tactical warfare. Especially in battefields. Either way I am sure the PC version could add prone in with some sort of Mod. Not going prone isn't all that bad though. Its not like there are not other ways to kill people. Doesn't matter if you are standing or crawling on the ground as long as the bullet hits someone in the face. Likely they will still have prone in Battlefield 3 either way. That is where the real battle begins. :) This will not deter me from Buying Bad Company 2.
even if you think it allows for more camping it also allows for smarter movement inside the game. If KZ2 let me go prone i might still be playing it.... Going prone is fun and if your a sniper in the grass its vital
Vital for reality but not so much games. I don't notice the lack of prone.... just keeps me moving.
In KZ2 snipers have stealth clothing so it isn't really important. If BC2 has something along those lines then it might be justified.
True, but come on, it's a game. I would find being able to go prone a much bigger problem in a game like Bad Company. Open environments, lots of terrain, etc. Snipers already have a pretty good advantage. Also, in K2 you could one hit kill as a sniper even if you shot someone in the damn toe. So going prone would make snipers even more dangerous.
In Bad Company 2 camo is done well. Snipers are hard to see, prone would be impossiple.
the way bfbc2 is set up tbh i dont mind prone. at first i thought this would be totally outrageous but currently playing the beta it's not affecting me. the style of gameplay doesnt give way to prone. when i played ofpdr then yes prone made perfect sense. but in this game, once u get used to it its good imo.
Camping is almost impossible in Bad Company 2, therefore that argument is crap. Next!
Pretty lame considering you can in other battlefield games.
Prone has always been a problem in Battlefield though. On BF2 they used to have people jumping and proning at the same time with the PKM and they had to change it so people had to be still to be able to prone. And then people complained about that lol...I don't think they've ever had it right where everyone's been happy.
You're right, this is why they made the decision to go without prone. Many seem to think it's about whether or not it's "easy to spot and hit" when it's really about abusers who ruin it for them.
true actually, went on bf2 the other week and forgot how much ppl did that, it is so so so annoying
well if it stops camping...
Going prone causes an imbalance in the game because everyone goes sniper.
Exactly. And they have balanced that with not having an exact kill cam so snipers still have some advantage. Based on the demo Dice took a lot of time to make sure the game was balanced between all classes. There are very few games where I switch classes frequently but I could see myself doing that pretty often with BC2.
True, but it also makes it easier to ambush that nasty tank coming right at you.
How about restricting the number of snipers per team? 1-3 is probably sufficient. The snipers job is to suppress enemy snipers and to relay information to the team since they will usually have a better view of the battlefield
I am impartial because I don't think I would by the game either way but... Sometimes going to the prone position is used to avoid death and to get as low as you can in order to regain your health. I'm just saying...
I usually prone as I'm reloading or to buy a few seconds when I'm getting shot at.
Going prone is for noobs.
Just like you noob... I mean not...no I change my mind you're a noob NOOB lol
oh the irony...
Prone is tactical.
who plays a game where if you crouch your off radar. if that aint for noobs what is lol...thats why halo is for noobs you may not be able to prone in halo but you sure can jump ten feet high and crouch jump and crouch to get off radar.....i just love how a cyborg cant even sprint now thats high tech futuristic military equipment right there. even those suites in that gi joe movie let you sprint and jump real high lol
DICE has a pedigree in FPS games that's bigger and more renowned than most other developers. I don't doubt their judgement for a second. Bring it!
enough noobs in gaming as is...enjoying the pc beta with my new Sapphire 5750 and had a blast with the ps3 beta.... btw, for those who worry about it taking a toll on ur pc, i have a Phenom x4 945 and a hd5750 with 4gigs of ram @ 800 and it runs great 1440x900 all medium with vsync and textures on high, averages about 45~55....its a beta so the numbers vary perfect example, ran a benchmark with fraps, min was 13, max was 107, avg was something like 54...so yea Edit: This game rocks so hard!!!
Don't go messing it up with prone... Snipers, I will be stabbing you and taking your dog tags come march 2
I see alot of people are mad, good, that mean less campers in BFBC2 this game is not for you MW2 campers less places to hide when you can't go Prone
Make excuses for them about the prone issue saying it's for campers. On one hand you all say how realistic BF is compared to MW2 and then when a sniper cant lay down it's suddenly ok. It's not ok, snipers lay down.Also the whole idea of a sniper is to camp, thats what they do. If it bothers people so much, dont have snipers.( now that would be good to stop camping).
i think you should be able to go prone in this day and age,....
If I wan to lie flat during game, I'll just wait for the arrival MetalGearSolidRising on my Xbox360 or Splinter Cell Conviction.
last i checked you cant go prone in splinter cell and rising doesnt look like a stealth game so i doubt there will be much going prone as a ninja
I think you need one or two on the attack team. Thats it. Not seven, camping out. Prone would probably double the number of campers.
I like prone as many other bf vets do, but i really dont mind not having it in this iteration of the series. But i do want the option to change crouch to a toggle FFS!!! :)
I'm glad they are not adding prone. It's bad enough already having half of your team being snipers, this would only encourage more to snipe. Nothing more frustrating than the game kicking off and you seeing half your squad run into the hills!
Im glad you cant go prone in this game, I remember playing battlefield 2 for the ps2 and people would prone quickly so that I wouldnt be able to kill them... Now that was annoying!