Please note that this is not just more news about Blockbuster going Blu-ray exclusive. In this article Robin Harris of The Storage Bits talks about results of this news and Sony Vs Toshiba situation.
After reading this article...I still have no clue as to who this guy is...lol!!
But, he does make some valid points.
but once again another opinion piece.
The only company that had anything to lose in this format war was SONY.
Toshiba, sure, they lose too, but if we're talking video games here, it was all or nuthin' for SONY.
They put a lot of stock in Blu Ray, and they pretty much FORCED Blu Ray upon the public.
It makes sense, it worked with the PS2.
Unfortunately, what it has also done is created a game console that is too expensive to be mainstream, and developers realize that just as much as consumers do.
So, while the videophile out there loves SONY for introducing a bargain priced Blu Ray player in the PS3, your average gamer is not ready to committ to a PS3 simply to play Blu Ray movies, so they have decided that their gaming money is better spent on a console that is focused on games... Enter the Xbox360 and Nintendo Wii.
Nintendo and Microsoft do not have a hidden agenda like SONY.
SONY makes movies, televisions, and game consoles.
Blu Ray movies... HD Televisions, and the Blu Ray playing PS3.
Everything in the market that is made by SONY is banking on Blu Ray success, and they are more focused on the long term financial gain than they are on the current state of gaming.
They win, we lose.
While I don't completely agree that SONY had a hidden agenda, it is true that they are relying on Blu Ray, and that it may affect the way the entire company conducts business, to include making sure that Blu Ray is the next gen format of choice.
They did alienate some consumers when they included Blu Ray into the PS3, which, in turn drove the console price up and out of range of the average gamer
Right now, for gaming, the PS3 is lagging behind, but the console has potential, and many developers still believe in the Playstation 3
I own an Xbox360, a Wii (as of 2 weeks ago), and a PS3.
Like most people who are fortunate enough to have all 3 consoles, the Xbox360 gets the majority of the playing time, but I will be using the PS3 as a Blu Ray player, as SONY expected, and I expect some amazing first party games in the future.
I am disappointed with the lack of games on the PS3 right now, and I do feel like Blu Ray is a priority to games right now for SONY, but SCEA knows it has a strong fan base in the USA, and with the millions of us waiting, you can bet that they will deliver, eventually
"Unfortunately, what it has also done is created a game console that is too expensive to be mainstream, and developers realize that just as much as consumers do."
"Fortunately, what it has also done is created a game console that has a future"
You see, it's a matter of opinion and preference. I don't mind having an expensive console, but I would mind having a half-nextgen console.
And just as you say that Sony forced BluRay just to win movie-format war, I'd say that Microsoft forced last-gen storage onto gamers just to make a console cheap enough to win a console war. Which one do you prefer? I do like Sony's approach more.
And it wasn't hidden agenda, it was clear all the time. All the MS fanboys screamed all over the Internet forums how rude Sony is for forcing a BD to poor consumers that think DVD would be enough (yeah, like CD was enough last gen, *cough* Dreamcast GDROM). What's hidden there? Even Martians know all about it by now.
"game console that has a future"
thats funny, so making a console more expensive makes it have a future.
Cheaper = larger fanbase = more games developed for it = PS2
As you can see from the last generation that more powerfull hardware does not equal the winner.
No fanboyism involved I own neither the xbox or the 360, im just pointing that out.
So SNES and SegaMegaDrive are cheaper than PS2. Why do you go buy ps2 then? I'm saying that Wii and X360 aren't even in the same league as PS3. PS3 actually has no competition whatsoever. You'll see. Storage space matters. GTAIII wouldn't have been possible on CD. They're trying to catch up with episodic stuff, but that will not be a solution good enough for many games that are coming.
wow your just dumb, comparing SNES to PS2 thats 2 generations apart.
I can agree that the wii and the PS3 arent in the same league, but your wrong on the 360 part.
The PS3 is about as far ahead of the 360 as the xbox was ahead of the PS2.
Looking back you can easily see that the horsepower is not the determening factor of success since the PS2 was the least powerfull of the three main systems last generation. It is the amount of content that the system has.
Thats why PS3 sales are so low atm, unless you really want to play Resistance or Motorstorm you can pretty much play every other game and more on the cheaper system.
When sony finally gets its games out that people are waiting for then sales will go up. People dont want to drop over $600 for a console and wait over a year for games, they want to play now or save their money till the price goes down and more games are out.
Fanboys obviously have no concept of money because they just have their parents buy it for them...
If you think the PS3 is any more of a "Future" console than the Xbox360.
The PS3 can never overcome the defecit it created by incorporating a very this/last gen GPU.
And not only that, all of these claims of a "10 year life cycle" are extremely optimistic and misleading.
Will someone still make a game for the PS3 in 2016? Possibly.
Will the PS3 be severly outdated in 2016? You betcha!
Imagine if you had a console that was built on 10yr old technology right now.
No matter how cutting edge it was back in 1997, they had no way of anticipating the advances technology would see in 5 years let alone 10 years.
Consoles have never been the industry to play "keepin' up with the Jones'" regarding PC hardware, and as much as SONY would have you believe that the PS3 will be competing with PC hardware years down the road, that is simply ridiculous.
In 5 years, we will all be ready for a new console, they are somewhat disposable, and that is why we generally expect to pay a modest amount for them. They are not upgradable, or expandable, so we want to get the best value system at the best price, knowing that PCs will outrun them early in their life cycle, and they will be ready to hang it up in 5 or 6 years.
Now, with the PS3, you have just shelled out nearly 2x as much as you would for a competing console, only to get the same amount of longevity out of it.
If you want to pay top dollar, and expect to be in the game 10 years for now, you need to get out of console gaming, and invest in a top of the line gaming PC that can be upgraded as technology advances.
The only saving grace for the PS3 is its Blu Ray playback.
Even after the gaming hardware is obsolete, it will still be able to play Blu Ray movies which will surely be the next gen disc format for Hi Def movies.
You would be more believable had you not combined all others consoles as being inferior to the PS3. Even if it is a superior product (which I'm not convinced of yet) It sure isn't any fun right now outside of motorstorm and RFOM. I've had mine since two months after launch and I only have Motorstorm and a bunch of demos that I am tired of. The reason for that is because I don't care that much about RFOM and everything else on it (That I would play) I already have it on my 360.
Sony, has really given us the middle finger as far as getting some games out there. If they pushed the console for games even half a much as they are pushing it for Blu-Ray, everyone would be happy. Sony (at least to me) appear to be smiling and nodding yes to us all, and then going behind closed doors and say to each other..."okay, now, what were we doing before they interupted us with their whining..oh yeah blu-ray..."
I love a good product, I love both my 360 and my PS3. But I would like to get some use out of my 600 investment. And I'm not that big on movies. I'm not bias for either MS or Sony, but I am PISSED AS HELL at Sony, for blowing us all off and continuing to do so.
It's kinda annoying to watch people still play Sony spin doctor, even with Sony Feces all over their face and hands from Sony Sh!tting on them. And M$ is no angel either, they appear to be sitting there trying to counter anything Sony does instead of getting off their A$$es and fixing these RODs and dropping prices. In the end Nintendo will probably rule it all because they are writing down Sony and M$ mistakes and making sure that don't repeat them.
Anyway, we need to stop being lemmings and think outside the BOX, both boxes the xbox and the PS3.
Danm MS, how do you feel now people calling you a loser? Well, let's wait to hear what MS has to say first.
they simply made the choice as a counter to BR and even said if the format were to die they would switch to BR add ons for their 360s
u must love swallowing that sony load on a daily basis
to counter your idiocy and apparent d*ckriding and let's not forget that blockbuster and similar companies also backed betamax over vhs at one point and we know how that turned out. i've always said that ps3 and it's lack of games would be reason enough why the 1st 6months-1year would show big advantage for BR. sales figures clearly showed the market share switch right after the launch of ps3 as fact enough. now when the games come are ps3 owners gonna continue buying as many $25-$45 movies when for a few bucks more they can get a game or are the sales going to plum it since we all know majority of hd dvd players are not the ms add ons meaning more stand alones meaning more high def movie only buffs have chosen a format. i for one refuse to chose a format until a format wins and the prices for the movies drops. all this talk of winners even with proof for a few months in the lead is only propaganda. all that will take either format to clearly take a big lead is a really cheap high def player, and hd dvd seems to be rumored to be first in that realm
anyone who says this war is over is just a tool or a lemming because it will go on well into next year minimum
edit: look at all the trolls disagreeing with me. i state neutral information and opinion and anyone who thinks otherwise because they are blinded by their fanboyism goes on and hits a negative. grow up people, or at least hit puberty and focus on women for once
An article was written MONTHS ago about how Microsoft may know that HD DVD would never win the format war.
It makes sense that they would back a competing brand though.
It can only help drive down the price of Blu Ray players and discs if there is a competing format that is cheaper to produce.
Microsoft is not a loser here, but toshiba may be.
Microsoft still has a format neutral console that is built to expand and adapt.
Don't be surprised if there is a Blu Ray add-on for the Xbox360 if HDDVD completely dies.
Its good for us that HD DVD hung in there as long as it has, because now we see Blu Ray labeled products priced in a reasonable range.
You get disagreed because you said microsoft wasn't behind hd dvd
oh i wont be suprised if M$ added blu-ray, yet another add on
I like addons, addons mean choices. I don't know about you, but I kind of like ordering everything on my menu. Package deals always seen to throw in sh!t that people won't buy otherwise. So, give me an option for an addon anyday.
PS3 contributor's are becoming way too belligerent.
Actually, you probably just don't realize how big this is yet.
But, I agree...it's becoming a little much (on the whole Blu-Ray thing) today.
BRING ON ANOTHER ARTICLE!!!
dont just jump on sony fanboys get on M$ fanboys also. The way that both groups are acting is very childish and so was ur comment.
Well it was about time POG. As Kyur4ThePain said, good bye! Go make yourself some N4X360.com site. This is place for Xbox fanboys no more.
(Ok, Sony brothers, counter that -bubble armageddon that's about to be unleashed upon me please)
^ ^ ^
"Sony brothers"???... That was really pathetic... Grow up, kid!
That guy NEEDS bubbles. There's no other way to get the other Sony fans' attention. I gave him positive feedback...because his statements were correct.
When you say something correct, I'll give you bubbles too.
powerofgreen - no...
HD-DVD ad on!!!! No wait there are still alot of good movies coming to this format
Was Blockbusters move really end of the war? I dont think so. While it was really important and caused many to rethink about the format wars, I think the war will be officially over ONLY when Universall studio becomes natural and releases for BD as well as HD.
but I do agree with you. Universal is their last chance. If they become neutral, things will be looking even worse then they are right now.
I wasn't the end. It was the beginning of the end. I would give it 3 months tops before Universal accepts blu-ray.
lol. Waaaaay too much blu ray news today. Oh well i'm glad i didnt buy the 360 add on am glad i stuck with blu ray. Now universal need to get up and pledge commitment. They must have been feeling lonely all by themselves over there anyway
"but but but its all about the choice's we don't give you! we believe consumers want HD-DVD so thats the choice we gave them!"
When did blog posts become news? Someone should really be screening this stuff better.
And I always complain about it. ANd lost 2 bubbles for this.
SNE put a AAA Blu-ray drive into the PlayStation and gobbled up movie industry support from 90% of the major production houses.
M$ to release Blu-Ray add-on. HAHA J/K 8D
Is this a GAMERS website or a movie website? More talk of blu-ray then games. Well I guess PS3 fans need to talk about something. PS3 is not selling, they have no games, and their online sucks, but blu-ray is winning. HAHAHAHAHA in your face MS. Wait MS is not involed in the format wars.
Actually, MS is kinda in format war. You see, 360 has an HD add-on that will become useless if BD really wins and that would hurt MS, then for HD movies, MS needs to release an Blu-ray add-on and we all know that Sony will demand one hell of a licensing fee before giving MS what its wants. And they may not even give them the tech to play games on Blu-ray so 360 gets multi disk games (Blue Dragon is already 3 DVDs) and has no built-in Blu ray player. See, thats why MS wants BD to lost and is focusing so much on Digital Distrubution since thats the true threat to BD.
yeah they are. they support HD DVD. look on the shelves at wal mart sometime and you'll see one. Tehy are cheap players i picked one up
But the PS3 is pretty much OWNING the 360 in every country but the U.S.
Soon, it will start surpassing the 360 here too. The software ratio is doing phenomenal too!
Our online service is actually quite amazing. Have you played R:FOM yet? Have you played Motorstorm yet? Have you played Calling All Cars or of the other downloadable games yet?
Obviously they're doing something right or R:FOM wouldn't have the high approval rate that its online servers have...
Hurray! the war is over, it is obvious by the 23423412431 different posts today. Tomorrow toshiba will announce defeat and all hd-dvd's and players will be pulled from the shelves and all the people at the avs forums will be silenced by execution because they know nothing about movies and have no business saying HD-DVD is better. Hurray victory for blu-ray. let the world rejoice. We can all sleep now...
Wait what? 'News' posted here 99% of the time is FUD? WHAT? THE FORMAT WAR WILL MOST LIKELY END IN A STALEMATE AND GIVE WAY TO A DUAL FORMAT OR DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOO! ALL IS LOST. HOW CAN I JUSTIFY THE EXTRA $200 I PAYED FOR MY GAME SYSTEM NOW! I HAVE NO GAMES, MOVIES ARE ALL I HAVE. WHY GOD? WHY?
I know maybe... maybe if i post MORE FUD about how blu-ray won it will come true... maybe if i just tell everyone to keep waiting... yeah thats it...
To quote a wise old king: " Don't hate the player, hate the game!"
FUD noted. :D
Congrats you at least one that war, the most dumbest unbiased commenter on N4G.
It's Ok though.. Sony = Winner of HD format war and MS = Winner of HD console/games war
See we are both winners.. That's the way the numbers look today..
oh and don't hate the player hate the game(console wars that Sony is losing)
@Mr_Kuwabara "the most dumbest" wow... I bet you get straight A's in English class hey?
when history looks back on the this console war, it will be remembered as the PS3 almost single handedly taking down a competing HD movie format within only 8 months of launching.
What do you think it's gonna do to the 360 in it's second year??
pssst, it aint gonna be pretty.....lol
you suck XD.
where the hell can you get the batman begins blu ray i have only seen it on hd-dvd
thought WB & Batman Begins were HD exclusive.
@15.1:BD, LOL! 8D
Peter moore: "but but but its all about the choice's we don't give you! we believe consumers want HD-DVD so thats the choice we gave them!"
Thanks for the reminder, Firewire.
Blu-ray all the wayyyy.
@warfed: LMAO. Brilliant! (Damn one bubble)
I don't know why you have to bring school into our little discussion here but like you're the worst poster, I/We understand.
English really isn't my primary language but I can still type pretty well with no grammar issues.
Así que en verdad que si yo fuera tu, pararía esta pequeña discusión porque a la verdad que la gente van a seguir viendo lo tonto que eres.
Sorry I don't speak/read gibberish.... So I will just assume you said you like to fondle your grandfather's balls while you wait for games...
That "Non-American-Language&qu ot; crack was a bit uncalled for. Show some perpective on things, kid. Surely you can be wittier than that.
haha... i actually thought that was a good comeback....
just so you know, its Spanish, and he pretty much just told you to stop your b*tching cause you sound like an idiot.
good funny link, everyone should check it out
If blu-ray won in 2008, PS3 sales will be sky-rocket too.
no, they wouldn't sky rocket. they would definitely go up, thats for sure. but you must know that some chinese or whatever manufacturer are probably going to have blu-ray players next year for good prices, $200-$300. Or who knows? maybe cheaper....
if anything I believe M$ 360 is in position to skyrocket because they will be at a price in 2008 (due to price drop) that everyone can afford, like all the parents that are waiting for prices to drop to buy a next-gen console for their kids.
the Firewire comment was interesting. Do they make Firewire jump-drives?
"Microsoft is also a loser, partly as a supporter and partly because their add-on Xbox HD DVD player sales will tank. The folks who bought one can’t be feeling too good about Microsoft’s judgement. Intel, another backer, loses too, but they seem to have had the least skin in the game. They probably just went along because of Microsoft."
I actually see Microsoft supporting HD-DVD for at least two or three years to come, simply because they're very stubborn. They've invested a lot into the format, and even went so far as to spread false information against Blu-ray at trade shows such as CES. That obviously backfired, as did their tirade against Playstation 3 and Wii.
But as for the real world, Blu-ray is dominant, and will stay dominant. Retailers ultimately decide the outcomes of format wars, and we're already seeing the ripple effects of Blockbuster not only giving out sales figures to the public (70% of HD movies rented were BD-ROM format), but dropping support for the weaker format. Expect other companies to follow suit.
You all own a next-gen GAMING system and all you can talk about from it is blu-ray? go on news4movies.com
and from that to success of selling ps3 games. :)
Sony had plan, and they succeeded on it. =)
Found a good quote. :)
**It does have a lot to do with gaming.
Further acceptance in blu-ray will justify sony's decision in implementing such a technology into the PS3...which in turn should justify a purchase...which in turn increases units sold...which in turn equates to more developer support...which equates to. Well you get the picture (no pun intended)**
p.s. anyone to help return my 4th bubble back? thnx. =)
H-dvd never had a chance, microsoft was stupid to support a dead format like h-dvd poor people who bought h-dvd players and that pathetic add-on.
avs menbers in full force againts Sony hahahaha stupid geeks they can control the internet world but they will never control the real world which is the one that really matters here.
The second Sony announced BLU-Ray for the PS3 the war was already over. There are many people out there that believe that the PS3 will fail because of the price and lack of games. Sony just started to shift the focus from the PS to the PS3. Blu-ray will be a HUGE bonus for the PS3 because developers are already complaining about the DVD's being to small for next gen games.
Sony played this absolutely perfectly some ppl might disagree but not coming out with alot of games and pushing blu-ray movie sales and causing block buster and other companies to side with them is just ingenious! i mean its scummy but they planned it perfectly, blu-ray is all but won and games are coming out very soon and instead of every1 buying a blu-ray player, y wuoldnt they just buy a ps3 for almost the same price... these asianz are smart cookies man!
AGREED.... but there is no way they can win the console war, only because of the fact they included their blu-ray into the PS3 thus making it too expensive for mass market. History shows that in the past the majority of units whether ps2, xbox, sold most when they hit the sweet spot of $199. M$ is in a position to make that happen this year with its core 360. PS3 is $600!! even if they dropped the price $100 but every year, it will still be YEARS before the mass market is ready for it.
etownone, ure right but since blu-ray is going to be the new standard for movies, do you not believe that there will eventually be one in almost everyones house in a few years? xbox will def sell a few more mill wen the price drops, but the ps3 will come close and possibly some day surpass it if no other formats arise
BEE2427.. NO, only because by this time next year when everyone accepts blu-ray won, there will most definitely be some cheap (chinese) manufacturer and other brands that will be sellig blu-ray players for HALF of PS3 cost. (just like moore said once, 360 has a solution for whatever formats wins, hinting at a blu-ray add on)
I beleive, withouth a doubt, PS3 would have won this console war if it did not include blu-ray. thus coming out same time, same price as 360.
360 will always be much cheaper than PS3 because of that, and will always be in the lead. when PS3 finally gets to a sweet price like $199, its will be years form now, and too late cause it will be time for the next console war.
yeah... its a WB movie, so it will be coming out on bluray soon. I dont understand WB's strategy of releasing Batman and The Matrix on HDDVD first... that was irresponsible and wrong. there are so many idiots who bought hddvd player (or add-on) just for the matrix trilogy.
Sony created the perfect situation when they included the bluray player with the PS3... as some have been saying all along.
It's not really that surprising!
Playstation is a household name. Sony has proven itself through the years as a reliable source for quality gaming. The Playstation name speaks for itself. They are a few games and a price drop away from making these console wars very interesting.
Now combine this with a HD player that plays on higher capacity discs than the competition and more importantly, has the majority of the entertainment world supporting their format, well.... it's just too hard to beat.
and who knows if any of this will even matter. It DOES help Sony (for now, at least), since EVERY PS3 has a player in it already but who knows if it will all go digital or not?
In the mean time, I'll enjoy watching movies AND GAMES in 1080P!
good for sony, good for playstation, good for humanity...XD!!!