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Destructoid: Is Heavy Rain doing videogames a disservice?

Destructoid writes: "Heavy Rain arrived this week, stuffed in a fancy box with all manner of promotional material. I can't talk about the game itself right now until the embargo, but what I can talk about is the pre-release hype, and the way in which is seems to undermine the accomplishments of videogames as a creative medium.

You've doubtless heard game director David Cage talking about his "interactive drama," likening it to movies and almost distancing it from videogames, trying to make out that it's something more than a mere game. I would like to direct you to the aforementioned promo material I received, and two statements that really stuck out for me."

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villevalorox2758d ago

I'm sorry but i disagree with this. How is making a video game that gives the feel and immersion that a HWP would a discredit to video games? If anything it extends the gaming genre.

Dutch Boogie2758d ago (Edited 2758d ago )

Also i don't get why people cannot accept the fact that it is an interactive game. Heavy Rain is a genre in itself and it's main goal is to tell a story with players on the end-side making choices to unravel the outcome.

Hmm...i wonder why i haven't heard anyone question Alan Wake for the same reasons. Don't you control the characters with a controller? Aren't they both Adventure/thriller games? don't they have stories?

So why the hate for Heavy Rain. God knows we need more innovative games instead of the usual space cowboy marine/alien hunter lol.

Just my two cents, but i'd rather play something fresh that requires me to think instead mindlessly killing a green turd.

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Bodyboarder_VGamer2758d ago (Edited 2758d ago )

I just read the article and then I see bungie's comment and I'm like WTF? What is he talking about? It is obvious that he didn't even read the first sentence of this article. Because what the author is criticizing is not the game itself but the description of it provided by Sony and Quantic Dream. =\

The author say that Heavy Rain should stand for what it is, a game and not compare it to movies like if they were so much superior to video games. But what the destructoid author does not understand is that Heavy Rain's a kind of game that survive through its narrative more than its gameplay and when it comes to narratives video games can't even hold a candle to hollywood. Now that's the purpose of:

* "Film Quality Narrative -- Heavy Rain brings a high-quality story filled with tension, emotion, intrigue, and dramatic sequences."

* "Hollywood Production Values -- From the length of the script, to the musical core, to the number of hours of motion capture, Heavy Rain is a vast and ambitious project that delivered a true film noir feel as well as production values that rival a cinematic experience."

And that's why Sony and Quantic Dream used this description. Heavy Rain is literally an interactive movie. This is not like Metal Gear were you do a mission then long cut-scene then another mission and cut-scene... Heavy Rain has the plot and cut-scenes integrated to the gameplay. Just look at the video when the kid is lost in the mall... You're not watching a cut-scene with the guy looking for the kid around the mall, you're looking for the kid yourself with complete interaction with the environment. That's the kind of story telling and narrative that goes beyond Metal Gear or whatever other game you want to say that it is close to Hollywood movies. I mean, in "Heavy Rain" even when the guy's brushing his teeth you're the one brushing his teeth with the freaking sixaxis! You're in complete control of the character in every moment and when you aren't then that's when the QTE's comes into the scene.

If Heavy Rain's not something that could be compared to hollywood then I don't know what it is. What other description could have Sony/Quantic Dream used? Something between the lines of "Incredible narrative like you have never seen in video games!" or something like "Film Quality Narrative, Hollywood Production Values".

I believe that Jim dude didn't thought his article well enough...

Ravage272758d ago (Edited 2758d ago )

As unbelievable as it sounds, there are some people who actually likes playing the same thing over and over again. They lack the ability to appreciate a good story and fail to understand that some people treat games as an experience.

That's why they will never have anything positive to say about HR.To them, anything that doesn't involve guns or hack&slash can't be called a game. It's ok to spend 60bucks on mw2 even though you did the exact same thing in cod4 years ago minus some perks&streaks. It's ok to spend 60bucks on a 4hr campaign with an 'innovative' firefight mode and the SAME old multiplayer. But it's NOT ok to spend it on an experience that offers something different.

Heavy Rain is as much a game as MGS4. That's because you can INTERACT with the environment and AFFECT the outcome of the story. Does movies allow you to do that? Does Avatar allow you to control Colonel Miles and wipe out the Na'vi?

Just because HR has non-traditional gameplay doesn't make it anything less 'gamey'. You can argue that HR requires little skill to play but i can name many all-time favourite games that only involves spamming the same move/combination/strategy to get through the game yet it certainly didn't stop them from being great games. And honestly, how many games truly require skills to complete today?

peeps2758d ago

lol it's funny how fanboys keep brining up the gte's... i guess they missed out on indigo prophecy which was an amazing game, but that was multiplat so most likely didn't have fanboys complaining about 'it only having qte's...' when of course it's not just qte's anyway lol

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Guido2758d ago

No less of a disservice that you make when you write stupid articles that make no sense. Sorry, but Destructoid is the bane of all that is video games and it saddens me to see they have managed to survive this long. Perhaps with a shot of real journalism could they then be considered a viable source of information but until then, they are simply going to forever remain trash.

peeps2758d ago

"but not all gamers like to sit back for a story driven game with QTEs and multi endings
and some gamers like to just play games for fun"

and not all gamers like to play games full of action and little story, and some gamers enjoy more than 1 genre of game...

theres nothing wrong with a bit of variety in gaming lol

ZootHornRollo2758d ago

for a site to say the truth. this game is going to ruin every thing games have made.

callahan092758d ago

His entire argument is one big run-on fallacy.

"[Quantic Dream]'s in the videogame business, and it should be comparing itself to the best of its medium, not the best of other mediums."

Wrong. They're in the entertainment business. It doesn't have to be so black and white. Heavy Rain is an interactive cinematic experience. Call it a game, call it a movie, both descriptions are accurate. There's plenty of room in the entertainment industry for experimentation.

peterdawa2758d ago

Dutch Boogie totally agree with you. Why are people trying to oppress ingenuity and innovation. Ive been playing games for over 25 years and ive been dying for such a game.Games that go an extra step to offer us new intelligent gameplay should be encouraged.Gameplay extends beyond shooting.

Jamie Foxx2758d ago

i for one am sick of how yearly update shooters get high scores from sites like destructoid which bring nothing new to their respected genres.

even mass effect 2 which is supposed to be an 'rpg' has lost so many rpg elements its more of a third person shooter im enjoying it but im wondering how this is labelled as an 'rpg'....and thats all we get these days its tiresome.

sony are the only company trying to broaden our experiences from heavy rain to modnation racers..just trying to evolve a genre which has already had the foundations laid.

so for companies like destructoid if you wernt so dependant on the halos,modern warfares then maybe you would see where QD are coming from and what they are trying to achieve.

peeps2758d ago

i guess ur a new fanboy here. haven't seen you before but seem to be all over the HR topics for some reason lol

"for a site to say the truth. this game is going to ruin every thing games have made. "

u mean like farenheit did... oh wait

the number of fanboys popping up recently is getting ridiculous. i can only assume ppl's bubbles are finally running out and in actual fact a large number of fanboys are probably just the same person who has nothing better to do than spam N4G rather than discuss gaming like a large number of people would like to

thereapersson2758d ago (Edited 2758d ago )

Completely agreed. Since when does it have to be so cut and dry?

Sounds like the only person who is doing the medium a disservice is this guy, with his self-imposed limitations and restrictions on what he thinks videogames should conform to.

He's the reason why games like Modern Warfare 2 are so widely accepted this generation, despite doing absolutely nothing REMOTELY fresh or revolutionary in ANY WAY. But because they conform to his pretentious standards, it's A-OK.

@ Peeps

For someone who hates this game and its genre so much, Zoot sure does find himself attracted to everything Heavy Rain related. I wonder why?

Ravage272758d ago (Edited 2758d ago )

no one is asking you to like it, what's wrong with variety? Everyone has their preferences and there's nothing wrong with preferring games that are all about having fun or in this case, games that offers unique experiences.

Just keep in mind that some people are getting tired of playing the same thing and are eager to try something new

frankymv2758d ago

Why do they post this garbage article?

Baka-akaB2758d ago

I agree with Dutchboogie here ... it would have been distracting with motion controls .
And it wouldnt change the attacks anyway . It could have been worse even with the usual "gimmick" comments about motion controls

sikbeta2758d ago

Destructoid: Is Heavy Rain doing videogames a disservice CUZ IZ NOT A SHOOTER?

lol

Here we GO again, something Different is taken as something BAD, one of the Lamest things EVER

This Game will be Amazing, nobody can't deny that just cuz the characters are not 100% Fully Controlable and they not have a weapon glued in the arms

jmare2758d ago

The author has a point, to a point. While I can agree that games need to stop bullshit comparisons like the whole Citizen Kane thing, the medium has still not progressed to the point where references to games only will be understood by the mainstream. This is in part due to the relatively short history of videogames, but it is also due to the fact that up until recently story in games was simply the the explanation of why you were doing any given thing and it never really went much deeper than, "They're bad, kill them." Movies are used as a frame of reference because they are something that the mainstream understands.

Baka-akaB2758d ago (Edited 2758d ago )

And did you read most dtoid's article or some of the likeminded outlets ? They always outright dimiss games with lenghty cutscenes and heavy storytelling as "movie wannabe" .
At least it made me laugh and my day in a few occasions . Like again Xenosaga ... wich the press was eager to dismiss as a game without only cuscenes and no gameplay whatsoever . Yet i've often seen people shed tears about the game's difficulty , if you just follow the plot without xp and the various quests . Or getting surprised even so by the game's relative harsh nature , while usually claiming to be bad ass at qte infested action games .

It's not so much players and videogame writers setting up movies as the ultimate medium . They just bring it up because that's the only common reference some might understand .

And look at your post your actually guilty of what you accuse others of , when looking deeply at it :

"due to the fact that up until recently story in games was simply the the explanation of why you were doing any given thing and it never really went much deeper than, "They're bad, kill them."

I never understood such statements . I hardly understand why gamers , people working in the field , and the so called gaming press are so eager to view the medium as so inferior to books or even movies in storytelling .

I've been playing games for probably the last two decades, and as far as i am concerned , i've quite often seen plots in games easily as good or better than movies , and instead around the level of books .

That many people ignored those games and chose instead brainless action and then suddenly discover gta 4/mass effect in the HD era , is only their own fault and choice ...
The only thing that really changed was obviously the technology allowing for better direction and "photography" ... But one cannot seriously comes and tell me that GTA is better written than Beneath a steel sky , , or that Mass effect was really better written than anything in Bioware's past , among many other things .

Seriously why such an imprint on many fellow gamers mind ? Movies are the place where comics , manga , books and games adaptation goes to die ...
Where their plot is shredded into tiny pieces till the skin is left , and barely enough to adapt into a tiny 2-3h hour format , and with the limits of a budget (with usually roughly enough to feature half movie time with sfx) , and creativity .

I do not envy movies , and i'm sure that Quantic dreams and other cinematic and story driven devs dont either .
They most likely know that Heavy wouldnt fit properly and with all it's original qualities in a movie trilogy .
They just mention movies for marketing purpose , and to appeal to the gamers obsession with movies .

SilentNegotiator2758d ago (Edited 2758d ago )

It's a Jim Sterling article. Ignore and move on.

TheDudeAbides2758d ago

by questioning Heavy Rain's awesomeness

ChickeyCantor2758d ago

"Also i don't get why people cannot accept the fact that it is an interactive game. "

Same reason why "HARTKOREEEEEEE" gamers cannot accept that "casual"games are "games" too.

honestly im not interested in this "game". Story might be deep, but gameplay wise it just sucks for me.

Andronix2758d ago (Edited 2758d ago )

Quantic Dreams have made this game 'Heavy Rain' and are trying to deliver a new video game experience. Destructoid instead of praising QD for taking a new artistic direction complain about it - presumably they are upset that it is not another forumlaic FPS or platformer.

As gamers we have to wait until Heavy Rain launches to see whether it fulfils its promise, but risky games like Flower, Braid and Heavy Rain are to be celebrated for trying to take gaming in new directions. Not all new ventures will deliver, but you can be sure that I am willing and able to give them a chance.

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4Sh0w2758d ago

I completely disagree with Destructoid. It's absurd to suggest that by QD's offering a "different" experience will somehow hurt gaming because it aims to compete with movies. Listen of course gaming has made significant accomplishments on its own to be compared to othe highly regarded mediums but going outside the box, making a "hybrid" experience isnt going to hurt gaming. Variety never hurts any industry, the worst case scenario is that it might spark a new niche genre for gamers who like that type of experience, if its attractive enough to many gamers it just might be more than a niche genre, the mass gamers will decide and thats how it should be, I said the same with Natal, the gamers will decide its fate, and thats how it should be, because I have alot more faith in the mass public determining the direction of gaming vs an elitist gamer on n4g or an elitist opinion from Destructoid. Why are gamers so paranoid, no matter how good a "different" type game might turn out as long as shooters, rpg's, action games, etc stay fun & *revelant they aren't going anywhere.

Finally, I'm sick of people talking like our current games, suck everytime some supposedly "innovative" game comes out. Again I appreciate new experiences or games, features, peripherals, that expand upon what we have, whether I personaly like them or not doesn't mean I'm going to hate on what we have now to promote something different.

GarandShooter2758d ago

'Movies are used as a frame of reference because they are something that the mainstream understands.'

So do you feel that a game like Heavy Rain is going to take gaming further away from the mainstream?

badz1492758d ago

I really want to know what the writer thinks about movie-tide, movie-based games? he must think most of them are stupid as well!

he's so living under the rock for all these times because he's totally missing the point of the entertainment business at the moment! did he missed the article "MW2 set record for the biggest launch in the entertainment history" thing? video game industry is a niche market no more! it's perfectly normal for any game dev to try to tap the market in between VG and movies like QD is doing with HR because games are already proven to be a great medium of story telling! so, how the hell does it a disservice when it's trying to expand the genre of gaming by itself?? if you're fine with your 'standard' games? FINE, but there are others out there who are more than willing to try some new flavor like HR every once in a while!

stupid writers will try hard to downplay HR as it's a new, yet to be proven game! to the writer, you think you look cool hating on HR, aren't ya? guess what, you're NOT! and I think you're STUPID for not even trying to encourage any advancement in gaming! it's the same with people who are hating on MAG just because MAG offers the unprecedented 256 players! it's ok if you're feeling at home with your standard 5v5, 8v8, 16v16 game but at least give respect to those dev like Zipper which is pushing the envelop with MAG and guess what, MAG has seemless lag compared to much smaller MW2!

if you wanna talk about disservice, blame activision for example; giving rehashed games one after another like GH, CoD and then not beta testing their game thus charging $60 for 600p, 5H campaign and glitch fest online!

nix2758d ago

why did my comment get deleted...

i had put in a nice comment there. educative.

morganfell2758d ago (Edited 2758d ago )

@1.17, They keep posting this type of garbage because it attacks Sony.

And like many others I am tired of it. No other manufacturer or publisher has anywhere near the dearth of articles as those we see attacking Sony. I wonder how much time certain people spend googling negative Sony articles. No other publisher's games are subject to so many negative connotations nor any hardware manufacturer the point of such inexcusable ridicule.

It would be funny to go back over the last 30 days here and look at Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft and tally the positive and negative articles. And anyone that remarks the number of certain articles on N4G correlates directly to a console's performance is just being naive or else, intentionally blind.

The flood of such articles anytime Sony produces anything clearly marks the state of worry among fanboys of other consoles. Plainly put they are scared and their petty articles prove it. They are jealous and the flood of "Sony is teh doomed" and moronic "disservice" trash write-ups is a clear indicator.

Jim at Destructoid is an idiot of the highest caliber. Ensconced among a small group of societal dregs that find him funny, he spews forth some of the most ill conceived, poorly researched and downright absurd articles in the industry. Most of all I feel bad for PR reps of various manufacturers and publishers that have to tolerate this jackass simply because he has internet access. The sooner Destructoid goes under the better gaming will be.

Remember, it's Destructoid, the National Inquirer of gaming journalism.

raztad2758d ago

Is Destructoid doing videogames a disservice? FIXED.

I'm not bashing/attacking Destructoid just wondering.

Fanb0y2758d ago

I still think this game is going to bomb.

Can anyone tell me what the latest pre-order numbers were for this game?

morganfell2758d ago

^^^So a game bombs when it's sales are not high? For me, as a gamer, a title bombs when it is unimaginative, buggy, poorly executed, frustrating, etc.

Here's a hint: Gameplay > sales.

Redempteur2758d ago

i'm tired ..
i'm sick of this articles ..

They pass judgement when the game isn't out yet ..AND you don't know that will be the public reaction to it nor how the industry will react ..

What was the point ?
Is it that fun to critic a projet , that isn't even out ?

ANother thing is that i don't understand WHY should heavy rain be inferior to movies ...??
Games already proved that they can be AMAZING narratives experiences when you let them bloom in peace ... but of course you have to explain this to ALL OF YOU that never bought , ICO , FLOWER , SHADOW OF COLOSSUS , OKAMI ...
Games are a medium ... and every medium Can shine ..is it bad that Heavy rain is marketed as a interactive movie when it borrow so much from the movie style ...isn't it interactive ?

WHY the hate ?

baum2758d ago

From someone that defends the wee like you're link and it's zelda or hyrule because the Wii is unique (?), someone would expect you to not act as ignorantly as you just did. Your attitude only proves everyone that criticized the Wii that they are right; just like HR is nothing but cut-scenes and "no gameplay" as you put it, Wii games are nothing but glorified gamecube ports with waggle. Why make such an irrelevant comment? Just curious.