The New York Post: There's always a feeling of unease when exclaiming something ultimately subjective that you want to be taken objectively. And so I write the following with minor trepidation. Ready? Mass Effect 2 is the greatest RPG ever made.
.....And also is a shooter XD
the Definitive RPG of this Generation
im only starting off but not of all time... sorry ffvii will forever have the crown
the greatest rpg of all time????? LMAO.
Implying FFVII is better than FFVI because it isn't
They have absolutely no credibility to be calling best games in genre but I'm sure Mass Effect 2 is a great game and I'll pick it up when i finish 1
FFVII better than FFVI or Chrono Trigger? Only in your mind.
Mass Effect 2 one of the best RPGs this generation, but it doesn't hold a candle to Star Wars: KOTOR. That game is absolutely godly.
But who knows, maybe it's the greatest RPG ever made....
Hell I was never a StarWars fan, and I'm still not a fan today. but damn was KoToR great. BioWare is definately one of the gem development studios around this gen even last gen they had JadeEmpire. We need more people like them :D
Mass Effect 2 isn't even an rpg, its a shooter. And to say that its the greatest RPG of all time? Just curious, how long have you been playing games? Its no doubt that Mass Effect 2 is a great game but to say its the Greatest RPG ever? really?
How can that be possible when Secret of Mana is clearly the greatest RPG of all time ;) Can't wait to play this, devastated I have to wait until my birthday on the 6th of Feb... Oh well, I will play through ME1 again first.
dragun now the fanboys are going to roast you for speaking the truth
"the greatest RPG ever made .....And also is a shooter XD" the game is more than just shooting. you can beat the whole game without firing a single round of ammunition. you can rely upon your tech biotic powers. that's unheard of for many shooters don't you think? apart from having a lengthy campaign mode enriched with many decisions to make. the only decisions you make in all shooters is whether or not you should shoot your opponent...and it's always going to be the same answer, so you'll always know your outcome. with mass effect it's not like that shooting doesn't have to be a priority, if you don't want it to be.
I'm about 8 hours in. It's not the greatest RPG ever. In fact, I'd call it a lesser RPG than its predecessor. I think most people like it just because it's a bit darker and has characters that are overall more gray or black than white in their actions, but much of it has been replaced with gunplay in the latest in lieu of a strong storyline with which to play in. It might be the greatest action RPG game ever, though. I really like the action elements of the game and the RPG elements in between are more than enough to keep me going. My personal favorite RPG of all time is still Planescape: Torment, and that games darker than Mass Effect 2 but is a true RPG and nothing else.
All aboard the hype train. Choo chooo. But seriously what a statement. May be the best western RPG but not RPG.
A role-playing game (RPG) is a broad family of games in which players assume the roles of characters, or take control of one or more avatars, in a fictional setting. Actions taken within the game succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines. -You have character growth -Story driven gameplay -Leveling Role playing has to have a Sword? Anyways I'm a bit surprised the game is still at 9.6 on metacritic after 44 reviews.
more of a shooter, than RPG... and everyone, that played at least some RPGs will agree with me. For a RPG there would have to be more RPG elements in the game, not just talking to NPCs and some Quests... and don't come with some weapon/armor upgrades, which are very linear based in ME2 :p lol at the disagrees :D some angry xbox fanboys making their move... try to play some RPGs like Diablo and then compare it to ME2, but i warn you, the facts may hurt you :D
We call dem ACTION RPGS now dayz. I don't think your opinion on the number of "SIDE QUESTS" required to make a game a RPG matter as that is not the definition of RPGs.
It's more of a TPS with just enough role play for it to still be considered an RPG.
Neah, its a Role Playing Game that uses force powers or guns instead of swords. You're assuming a role of a fictional character the gamer builds in a story rich game while you level this character up. I'm playing the game now fighting to catch Thane and have not fired a shot. The Telekinesis is off the hook in this game, the telekinetic powers in this game is just as beefy as the guns play.
yes, yes, many gamers idea of RPG. "main character must be a character that wields a weapon that is sharp, it can be a lance, a sword, an axe, an arrow, or a spear." ..........even if the fvcking year is 3000, where hopping in and out of space crafts is a way of life in many civilizations. when it comes down to annihilating millions of aliens we must always sharpen are blades before use. ......no wonder why the aliens love to say that we're so primitive in every aspect to them.
If ME is a shooter than almost every jRPG is a simple turn-based strategy game. Mass Effect has more role playing elements than any other so-called RPG. Role playing isn't about combat mechanics or boosting your stats. It's about choices and consequences. In ME you make decisions all the time - small ones, like being friendly or rude in a dialog, big ones, like saving/killing a teammate and huge ones, like deciding the fate of an entire race. And they all have consequences that influence gameplay and storyline. This is pure RPG. With fun combat mechanics that somehow bother people, who think that clicking "Attack->Heal->Summ on->Attack->Heal" has anything to do with role playing.
I am a 360 fan, but i have to say i agree with Dragun619. I have not played the full game yet, so I have to reserve final judgment, but from what I have played...ya I agree.
I just want it.
For shooter fans. If you love true RPG's, then you know this is not the best one ever. It's good but not that good.
ANY self-respecting RPG fan will know that Mass Effect 2 is not the best RPG ever made. It's good, but no way is it the best. Best WRPG imo is still Deus Ex, and best JRPG is the FF series as a whole (can't choose one).
For a real RPG see Planescape Torment. Or, more recently, Bioware's own Dragon Age.
Mass Effect 1 & 2 are the greatest console RPG's by far, period!
The game is very good but to call it the greatest rpg ever? No way, how can you call it that when they stripped most of the rpg elements away
I'm a sniper whore in this game. Screw rifles, shotties, and handguns. Sniper team is the way to go. Anyway, RPGwise Dragon Age is better sucks it's not open world with random encounters. I'm buying the expansion.
I've been playing this since yesterday and although I agree it's a great game, this one is less of an RPG than the first ME. It's more of a 3rd person squad shooter with an amazingly deep story with some rpg elements than a full fledge rpg. Anyone who proclaim this to be the best rpg ever is probably young as hell and started playing games this gen.
Awesome game... but no where near the "best RPG ever". I mean, it seems more of a shooter than RPG imo. Sure there's lots of dialog and leveling up, but its all relatively basic compared to traditional RPGs
=/ I personally think it can't rival the classics: Chrono Trigger Final Fantasy 6/7 Dragon Quest Zelda: OOT etc etc But I havn't played the game yet, and am willing to be surprised!
I have been playing the game and I agree. The RPG aspect of the game has been toned down since the first game. As much as the first game needed fixing I think they toned it back a bit too far. The game is still very good though, but it isn't just an RPG, its also a shooter, so you could possibly say the best Shooter RPG of all time.
But that also means that it has to compete with Deus Ex and System Shock 2. That is laughable. ME2 is not better than those games
Seriously I love Mass Effect 2 [A brief look at my comments should easily reveal this], love it to death been playing it for about 5 hours now; but I don't think it's the greatest RPG ever made...It's fine-tuned that much is for certain.
but then again, I don't usually like traditional rpg's much, really hate turned based and I can't really get into micro managing every little aspect of xp etc. I like the style of a Epic story driven game, and role play with interesting charachters, add a little shooter combat and I really love sci-fi universes, I was sad Too Human missed its potential, on paper it had all the right elements to make a AAA game, but the execution was not there, ME2 executes everything very well so yes its perfect for me, it hits all the aspects I like...so yeah, its the best rpg I've played. Enjoy the game, and Good Night. JOY
Great comments lately. Who are you and what have you done with J O Y? This game sounds great but I only own a PS3. I know I could play it on PC but for some reason I just don't care for gaming on PC. I am so backlogged on games right now that I decided to only buy FFXIII until I get caught up on some of the other games. Right now Demon's Souls is kicking my ass and I can't see being done with that for a long time. Such is life with family and full time employment. Enjoy the game... it sounds like a thoroughly enjoyable title.
Fail ME2 isn't a RPG
Yes it is. You do more than just shooting, and can get by with powers alone. And the depth of the gameplay, with decisions made changing the game in many ways make it more than a shooter. Far more. It is an rpg, you fail.
go look of the definition of RPG.. then come bk to N4G.. RPG IS split into JRPG= turn based or WRPG or Action RPG= real-time but the main essence is still retained which is the ablility to tailor the game to each player and make choices to alter the story either with dialog or action.... So stop ranting non-factual BS
This game is great!
the new york post disagrees.
I need to get more than 10 hours in to claim something like that, but it does seem believable.
FALLOUT 3 or Oblivion for this gen.
Fallout 3 is my fav this gen. Dumped over 400 hours into it across several saves, without even touching the DLC.
@7 Dragon Age, Demon's Souls, Persona 4 (if you wanna count as this gen), and ME1 and 2 are better than both of those, in my opinion. I really enjoyed Fallout 3, and would put it close with the others I listed. However, Oblivion was a downgrade in terms of funfactor (from Morrowind) and it was extremely boring.
Just no, I really liked Fallout3, the other one not so much. But both story and gameplay wise, those games cannot be compared to Mass effect 2.
lmao @ "best RPG ever made" You know they aren't gamers.
i agree it might be great, but it is not the best ever made. this gen there haven't been to many RPG's, jsut cuz this game came and has hype doesn't make it the lol. there are many RPG's out there that ppl rather play is all im saying. People have to ask themselves if they are going to be talking about ME2 10 -20 years from noe the FF series, chrono trigger, DQ etc.
...that's FF7. Try again. That being said.... If White Knight wasn't around the corner, I would def get this on PC. Simply curious. 12
they got paid by MS to say that
I don't count ME2 or ME as a RPG at all..It's more TPS then anything.
Only if you have some set definition for what an RPG is, and there isn't one. The combat in ME is of a TPS, but the exploration, leveling, storyline and character development are much more indicative of a WRPG. So really, the game is more of a WRPG than a TPS, but I'm not sure why it matters, it's a great game. I do, however, hate when people label anything as "best ***" as if it's a fact and not an opinion, which is what the article did.
I'd much rather have gotten it for PS3 instead of PC but i dont wanna wait that long...could be like 10 years before it lands on PS3 finally lol. I actually hope they make that movie they've been speculating about ... it would be almost like a Star Wars type movie ... a lot of work would have to be put into it, but the adaptation definitely has infinite potential.
I still can't believe people think ME2 is a RPG. " The issue mass effect had is that the rpg aspects, classes, stats, gear, party really didn't matter because you could do whatever you wanted and succeed. That isn't the RPG experience. The RPG experience consists of formula based combat and success. That means there has to be hard counters, the items, and the stats you have must be important in order to garner success. WoW is a great example of what makes an RPG an RPG and being able to f*cking fail if you're a sack of potatoes not understanding the basics and formula of combat. You need to achieve specifics, tailor your party, and your character to succeed during encounters. I'm talking pre-burning crusade endgame raids where the game actually requires something of players. Whether that is correct party composition, resistances, talents, gear, and strategies. Mass Effect has levels, stats, and gear however combat isn't dictated by whether or not your stats are delegated out in a manner consistent with a specific class role. You could take all of the same class and succeed. Combat was instead simply you showed up and unless you quit playing you'd win. It didn't help the "AI" is the possibly the worst ever either. This auto-scailing sh*t also makes for games where everything is forgiving of f*cking retarded ass decisions and choices whether with your party, character stats, or strategies you use. Mass effect is like the burger king of RPG's. The "have it your way" RPG for people that don't like RPG's. They enjoy it because you don't have to know anything of the game to succeed. You can allocate points, gear, and part composition however you want. RPG games are entirely about formulas and success via mathematical understanding with some luck thrown in via random factors. This casual approach where all of that is going to the way side so anyone who put money down can succeed defeats what a lot of gamers enjoyed about the genre. Mass Effect is hailed as the only "rpg" a lot of gamers that don't like rpgs like because beyond the outward appearance on the UI and what Bioware said it's not one. Hur dur you play a role, levels, and items. EVERY game has that sh*t but only when that sh*t determines the outcome of success can it be truly called an RPG. A lot of "action" rpgs are really piss f*cking poor rpg's as well and that is exactly what mass effect is." If you actually think ME2 is a RPG, read this first, and then defend it.
Fire Emblem = Epic RPG? (I don't know why everyone calls it an rpg. doesn't everyone know that an rpg is a rocket propelled grenade? good golly gosh, and here I thought we were gamers)
IS a JRPG. If you look at most, if not All Western RPG You'll see that MAss Effect IS a WRPG, saying otherwise would be like saying Fallout 3 isn't an RPG Oblivion, Morrowind , Diablo 2 ,Even dragon age is completable with character builds best suited for 'your personal experience' as opposed to What stat best suits your character to beat 'x' foe. To make my rant atad bit shorter, I think everything you just said is utterly retarded.
Mass effect is indeed an RPG. It got: Character Development - Check. Equipment - Check Leveling - check Item shops and towns - check Manageable party - check more then 20 hours of gameplay - check Lots of dialog - check Weapon/ship upgrades - check Sidequests - check Items and pets - check I could go on, But while writing this i noticed that Final fantasy 13 Lacks most of these features, Mass effect 2 is more rpg then Final fantasy 13.
I'm interested. I might have to pick it up (for $20), but I hated ME1. Should I have played it first?
It matters what did you hate about the first? ME2 is a deeper Gears of War, with a story and some dialogue choices.
I loved gears. Played it five times through. But for me Gears was about sitting on the couch next to you brother/ friend and blasting the sh!t out of bugs. What I didn't like about ME1 was how I couldn't go anywhere. I got to the mothership or whatever, did a whole lot of talking, and then said "f*ck it, I'm going to go read a book." It's not like I don't like deep games, It's that I thought ME1 was trying to be something it wasn't, and doing a bad job at it. Oh, and I've have yet to find a western RPG that I like. Maybe that has something to do with it.
Wait, so you prefer JRPGs....but complain about Mass Effect for being too open world? And you could go anywhere. The only place you couldn't go where the planets that where too hazardous.
I haven't played many JRPGs that I liked, and it certainly wasn't the open world aspect that I liked about them. (I strongly dislike sandbox/openworld). But when did I complain about it being too open world? I don't see that in my comment. And I've just never been able to get into WRPG's, despite trying. What I didn't like about ME1 was the amount of pointless dialog. It was like they said "Hey! look at this cool new speech wheel! Isn't it great?!" and overused it. Like I said, I got to the city ship thingy with the counsel, and quit. I couldn't find my ship, and I strongly disliked the shooting mechanics.
Mass Effect 2 is the greatest Western RPG ever made.
That's the only thing I'd say MIGHT be true. And I've never learned to be fond of Western RPGs. 12
Planescape: Torment anyone? It´s a hell of a game though,go Tali!
Should have read your comment before I posted mine above. So glad to see people who have truly experienced a truly great RPG. Characters, storyline, and even the fact that you could change your class just by finding someone to train you in a new one.