"A US hacker who gained notoriety for unlocking Apple's iPhone as a teenager has told BBC News that he has now hacked Sony's PlayStation 3 (PS3)." By Jonathan Fildes, Technology reporter, BBC News
Cool, maybe a duplicate story but I havent seen this BBC news version yet, its kinda big that it made its way on that site
this actually is not a duplicate. It's new details and new interview from George by BBC. Like you said, I also have not seen this version until now. He even gives some new insight on what he's done and what he can no do. Even said he won't be responsible for releasing piracy methods but of course, if he releases the hacks someone else will. "I can now do whatever I want with the system. It's like I've got an awesome new power - I'm just not sure how to wield it." lmao "Mr Hotz said that he had begun the hack last summer when he had spent three weeks analysing the hardware." This kid either has a lot of time on his hands or is just a pure genius. He was the 18 y/o kid who was the first to unlock the first gen iPhone back in 2007. More recently, GeoHot released PurpleRa1n, which was the first jailbreak method for the iPhone 3GS running OS 3.0. The dude is a genius indeed
I'm going with Genius for 900 Blaze. Ding ding ding
Wasn't it a teen who cracked CSS (DeCSS) to allow DVDs to be ripped, etc.? Reverse Engineering FTW?
THESE "KIDS" should be working for the government.
One question though, are the authorities not able to crack down on him for what he is doing? Reverse engineering (which is what happens 99.9% of the time such hacks are made) to my knowledge is forbidden by many companies in their EULA.
lol another one who talks : soon i will show my work.. if you cracked it why don't you show it...--->>> it's easy you didn't crack it...
Dude, don't be hating cause you can't get past the "Parental Control" feature your mom set on your PS3 lol. This guy is the real deal, not some wanabee.
Also, since I don't think he makes any money from his exploits, If you were Sony (hypothetically), what could you sue him for...under what precedent?
What he is doing isn't ilegal. What is illegal is playing pirated games ^_^ I'd be interested to see what Homebrew will come to the PS3, no doubt that it will be hard to code for, but Id love to see what comes out of it. Sony are pretty good on there updates also, I can imagine it will be difficult to maintain a hacked PS3 and still go online. EDIT: @Perkel You Must be stupid? He said that he was going to create the software to allow others to hack it, he has hacked it himself, now he needs to just reverse some stuff and volia. He said he's going to release it, I have used his software to hack my iPhone he's part of the team that originally cracked it and his software Blackra1n cracks the iPhone in 10 seconds flat.
Yeah it's not illegal but it is questionable. I have a hacked PSP but I don't download any games. I just got LittleBigPlanet on the PSP. Worth every penny. And in all honesty, people probably will be able to squeeze more out of the PS3 if he did hack it cause a hacked PSP is waaay more useful than an unhacked one. But what he's doing is basically allowing people to play pirated games. There are a few people like me that just likes homebrew but 99% of people just want free games. Games are big on the PS3 so I wonder how people will storage them but whatever. It's still questionable. He knows it. Let's not lie here.
I'll bet that IF he release any source code of ps3's OS, the only thing he'll be getting is a butt load of lawsuit. The source code is more than likely to have IP pattens, and trade secrets which Sony can build a case on. Unlike cell phones, which sell does not effect by unlocking carriers, (if not actually makes it sells more) Sony will suffer directly due to it, and I just can't see they'll sit there watch it happen when they know exactly who is doing it.
My question is why is this news and the fact that the 360 was hacked almost out of the gate wasn't and isn't? And, when did anyone say the PS3 was unhackable? Harder, but definitely possible. He even is quoted saying the the PS3 is a "very secure system." As to the hacker, if it requires hardware then it's going to be a detriment right from the get-go, especially since he says he still hasn't cracked the HDD nor has he cracked their console code certification structures. I question the cost in hacking a PS3 for PS3 games itself as opposed to just doing the easier to mod PS2 for emulated software and PS2 games.
It's guys like this that keep freedom alive a little longer. Without them, we would never stick it to the man - the man would forever stick it to us, saying something like "I have a lifetime contract you need to sign before we can activate your phone. ..Bend over."
First, of course this is news because it's been over 3 years (a long time in tech terms) since PS3's were released and to this day it remains unhacked. If this guy succeeds, it will be something of a tech. milestone from a hackers perspective and "hacker community". Second, in case you didn't know, the IPHONE hack he created, that I watched on a tube site, it required soldering and needless to say, most people wouldn't do it. But that led to other hacks...and now, to "hack" an IPHONE, it takes roughly 5 or 6 mins of literal button pushes. What he's doing may eventually lead to something similar....usually that's how it works. I myself hate the idea that people will pirate hack PS3 software, I can't help but be even a little encouraged, if not excited, that we may all get Backwards compatibility back in our PS3's and even other homebrew apps that may turn our PS3's into DVR's that can play computer flash games, and can make toast at the same time. lol
"the man would forever stick it to us, saying something like "I have a lifetime contract you need to sign before we can activate your phone. ..Bend over." In reference to the AT&T IPHONES and plans, it's actually a 2 year contract that they sign you up for. But keep in mind, you can terminate the contract anytime you want, but they'll charge you $175 for the early cancellation, which is fair because they give you $200 off on the phone from the get go...at least for the 2nd and 3rd IPHONE version. The ones usually trying to get over are the customer who wants to NOT pay the cancellation fee, but they still want the phone at its discount, which isn't fair to AT&T.
You were always able to install other OS's to ps3...that wasn't a secret, nor hack. Besides, he stated himself he couldn't break the coding for the memory, so it isn't really "hacked". He tinkered with it, but i barely think he even broke through the system. He says he never really played his ps3, maybe he didn't pay attention to some of the features ps3 had, but just now discovering them...Idk about this whole "hack" thing...we'll see.
I think you misread my intent on questioning the news. It wasn't on whether or not it was newsworthy, it was on why this was and hacking a 360 when it was done wasn't. All consoles get hacked, it's really not that big of news. Only reason PS3 took so long is because no one saw it as something that would be useful. Heck, even the hacker said it himself that he doesn't even play it and only owns one game. As far as your comment on the iPhone, you're comparing an initial hardware hack with a later, more proven firmware hack. Essentially, an illegally distributed application that modifies the firmware of the iPhone you're using. The hardware hack DID NOT lead to the software hack. They were done completely separate of each other. This is not the same thing for consoles, as even the 360 requires a mod to play pirated 360 games and it's unlikely the same wouldn't be needed for pirated PS3 games. Regardless, the discussion was about being able to play PS2 games on a modded PS3 in the article, and it's unlikely that it would in the end be cheaper or easier to do than kits that are already provided for current PS2 consoles, which won't have to deal with having to digitize and then read said digitized games on the PS3 HDD, which he has not hacked yet.
How do they know he's a cracker...could be a black guy
ROFLMFAO!!!!! I ALMOST did not get that joke! I was like whaaaa o_O?
lmao bubbles up man. that was hilarious. i also almost missed the joke
LOL good one.
Hahaha bubbles +, but truthfully, he is a white guy. He's on twitter and has his pic on there.
omg..that was too funny, anyone who disagreed with him doesnt have a sense of humor or just didnt get it
Wow, that was good. Definitely caught me off guard.
very interesting qoutes by the hacker in this article. Basically saying that all PS3's can play PS2 games... Well i hope he is telling the truth , maybe then Sony will release a firmware revision to allow us to play our PS2 games. Could the software/code have always been there in our PS3, but sony just decided to “turn it off” until the end of the PS2 lifecycle?. IF ( big IF) this is true, ALOT of PS3 owners will be pissed with Sony holding back suge a huge feature…
Nah I wouldn't be pissed...its a great idea to hold it back business wise. Though it would suck for us consumers.
PS3's were playing PS2 games even after the "emotion chip" was removed through emulation. Sony Got rid of the emulation under their own volition. Guessing why is easy.
well cause some people pay a difference of 200$ on release date of ps3 and still to these day there is a difference on price and the reason for that is the backward compatibility so saying that is agreeing getting rape without condom while the rapper has a brand new in is pocket
We've known for a while that all PS3s could play software emulated PS2 games. The reason why Sony hasn't gone that route is due to how easy it would be to pirate such software.
The reason Sony took away PS2 Backwards Compatibility was because PS2's were still selling. They kept it in when the system was 500-600 dollars and PS3 software was limited because at the time the PS3 needed the PS2 software as a supplement, when when software started rolling in and specifically, around the time PS3 went down to $400, B/C went out the door. So effectively, PS3 was $100 cheaper, but if you wanted a brand new PS2, you would have to spend $100. Fairly shrewd move on Sony's part.
Again, you are having some issues with reading comprehension when it comes to my post. Sony has made approaches to provide full BC to all PS3s. One of these was a completely software designed method. The problem with this software was that they saw an inability to prevent people from easily pirating digital copies of the game to run through the software. So, rather than going forward with that option, they dropped it. This isn't about getting rid of BC on the PS3s, it's about their attempts to provide it in another manner. Now, if the PS3 is hacked in a manner that can benefit those who pirate often, it is likely that it would only be a few months before someone outside of Sony makes the exact same type of program and all hacked PS3s would be able to play and easily distribute pirated versions of all PS2 games.
im not a fan or pro hacking thing on the ps3 so no. its not good for the ps3's life. ps3 is still lagging behind in sales overall, and cracked system means developers would not like that meaning... :c so, no. just rent the game or what not mate
1) The PS3 is not lagging behind in sales, in fact it has been outselling the 360 for years. 2) Hacked consoles drive sales in many markets where piracy is rampant. This can add millions of console sales. 3) If they cared about money over customers, a few years down the line they could block hacked consoles like the 360, forcing people to go out and buy a new console. A pathetic weasel tactic, that is only used by a struggling product (the 360). 4) Renting a game does not help out a developer or the console manufacturer. Rentals take away from sales, since you have many people sharing a single copy of their product, who had interest in it and might have bought it. These games are getting so short, thanks to the lack of next generation disc drive in the 360, that a game can be beaten in a day or two, that leaves no reason to buy a game after a rental.
Actually this could help the PS3. Look at the PSP - how many of those total sales do you think came from people mainly looking to hack the PSP? I actually see people post "I won't get a PSP Go until Custom Firmware gets released for it." While it would probably help hardware - it would be software that is effected. But I don't think very much PS3 wise I mean, who wants to download 20GB+ for just one game? Then blu ray discs are like what, $20 each?
Google is your friend. BD have steadily dropped over time. You can get a 20 pack for $40, that's only $2 per disc vs. $60 at the store plus a BD writer of course.
pretty much, then theres blu ray drives, using the correct blu ray disc (if its anything like the PS2 or 360 it wont just accept any cheap disk) alot of people have slow internet connections or/and capped download limits so downloading a 25+ game is not possible there are probably other things i have missed but basically this cat not be done by your average joe without heavy investment and we dont even no how he hacked it yet
... man there's other disadvantage of that ... who the hell wants to download a 50GB file onto their hard drive anyways? Those images are going to be "re-dunk-Q-Lous". This is one time I think this whole mod thing is stupid. I can understand DVDs and compression techniques but a lot of the ps3 games have uncompressed lossless audio (that alone takes up space), and the games themselves run in HD 720p and up. Why in Gods name would I spend my bandwidth on that?
People download blu-ray movies all the time. Much like the PS3, it is about getting quality. Sure I wouldn't take the time to download a 360 game, but a PS3 game on the other hand is well worth it.
people in other countries buy pirated games.they don't do it themselves.someone will do it and then just copy the data to other disks.that's how pirated games been selling all this time since the PSX era :P
i have downloaded a blu ray movie, most of them are ripped to 1.5GB depending on the length, i have downloaded 360 games, alot of them were worthy of my bandwidth and came in at 7,5GB but i wont be downloading PS3 games any time soon, to much investment + running cost (good quality blu ray disks wont be cheap)
I haven't seen any HD rips under 4.5 gigs. Most are 9-25 gigs.
The "root key" sounds interesting.
I'm more than happy to buy a new copy of the game, if money's tight, i wait till the price drops and get the game then. really cannot be bothered with hacking or pirating and I'm certain most people feel the same way. Clever guy though.
Linux- with full RSX and memory access. Yes please!
That's got to be top of the list. With access you could do so much more through Linux.
Damn...I have a Slim! :[
Let's see what comes of it, some nice homebrew apps wouldnt go amiss, they'll probably get features up and running before Sony like whats been seen on the PSP. I'm a fan of homebrew in a big way, I know many see this as a piracy thing, but for me it is not, I buy my games, plus I wouldnt be interested in downloading 25GB+.
# Name George Hotz # Location Cambridge Call the police
As of right now the PS3 is only using single layer Blu-ray disc which are in the neighborhood of 25 GB Most Blu-ray movies are under 12 GB Sony can easily deter pirating by using double layer Blu-ray disc which are around 50GB (Thus making some unbelievable games) Downloading 50Gb is not worth the bandwidth or time. Not only that but it's a tell tell sign for you to get phone calls from your ISP inquiring about what your doing. Next thing you know the FEDS are banging on your door. your handcuffed and being escorted to an unmarked sedan while your pr0n HDD is being paraded before news cameras So don't DO IT.
Several games use Dual layer BD, and Sony are very unlikely to force developers to use DL BDs when they're not required as they'd have to incur the cost which goes along with that, which is substantial. Everyone needs to carm down, theres no actual evidence of his claims yet, let alone the extent at which this "hack" could be used. For all we know a simple firmware update could stop it in its tracks.
thats not true, there are a few games that are over 25 gigs, MGS4 for one. Also if you go on torrent sites and look for the top quality blu-ray movies they are upwards of 25 or more gigs.
Most Blu Rays are nearing the 25 GB limit, I go to a few HD review sites and they usually list the disc size in their reviews, they are on average around the 30 GB range. For games it could be different, but even then, if your game is 15 GB there is only so much you can do to try and push it over to the dual layer side. You can use blank data to fill the void but I'm sure pirates would just remove it. Also, those who download torrents usually aren't the ones people go after, those who sell pirated software/movies, upload it, etc are the ones the authorities try to catch.
Usually in my country piracy occurs due to hardcopies being sold... 360 games are downloaded by some vendor and then he in turn sells them or loads them in the HDD (you have to provide him obviously) for something like 15-20$. Still you can get it for Free if you waste you Bandwidth and take the pains to do that, but most my friends who own a 360 (before the M$ pirate ban) used to just go out and get the games loaded in he HDD. 20$ is a heck of a lot cheaper especially since you get the games 2-3 days before the release date. If piracy starts on the PS3, then the PS3 might sell a lot of consoles. 1 of 360s major selling point is piracy. Most my friends have a 360 to play offline games and a PS3 for their main gaming... I would by lying if I would say that I haven't been jealous of them playing all the new games before release date at a third of the price...
fishy is right, a simple firmware would shut the system down so i dont know if its worth the risk TBH
is good news for me not about pirating software but the statement he made about being able to play ps2 games this is something i have been waiting for so i shall be keeping an eye out
the ps3 is NOT outselling the 360 by the way ;) great to hear that,my ps3 is waiting :D
it has been outselling the 360 worldwide since release. Even VGchartz agrees with this and they skew their numbers quite a bit.
Proof? PS3 sold more in NPD December and sold a bucket load more in December... Infact after the Slim, the PS3 outsold the 360 by a whopping 3 million (ending the year with a 2 million lead)... So ya PS3 IS outselling the 360. Hope you come out of your dreamland soon.
If the PS3 was outselling the Xbox 360 since launch it would have overtaken it by now. The PS3 asides from a few blue moon weeks has been outselling the Xbox 360 in Japan since launch, it's pretty close in Europe, too close to tell in some case, up until the summer of 2009 the 360 was outselling the PS3 in North America as well.
^^^^^ PS3 has been outselling the 360 since launch in Japan... I Europe, PS3 has been outselling it SINCE LAUNCH.. The proof is in the numbers... Both are at roughly 11 million (according to VGZ, PS3 is ahead now), so PS3 even though launching a YEAR AND A HALF later in Europe, must have outsold it to gain over the 360 in such a short time.... US is 360s main market.. PS3 has been keeping up there during the last few months. In short, EU and JAP are PS3 market and US is 360's market. This shows that even though 360 sold like 10 million due to headstart, the PS3 has gained nearly 5 million in this period mainly due to JAP and EU market. I can see the gap only shrinking here onwards with GT5 lined up in EU and JAP being a dead market for the 360.. US is the only place 360 has to bank on outselling the PS3. All PS3 has to do is keep up with 360 in US and 360 will eventually be outsold.... Simple facts in numbers.
Sony 'Make.Believe' GeoHotz 'Believe!' awwww yeah! we no longer have to wait on sony to get new features, leave it to the true creative minds to get things done 'the scene" keep up the good work GeoHotz!!! you da man!!!!
He admits he has'nt hacked the protected memory. So he has'nt fully hacked the PS3. SPU's can lock off parts of the PS3's memory stopping unsigned code from running. Without protected memory been hacked, it's a total waste of time.
I wanna know how he got it to play ps2 games
I have some friends who work with the hack n dev team for the iphone, all say the guy is beyond pro. way to go george, can't wait to see what people come up with. people all over are against hackers, but look at all the useful things people have done with homebrew, all because of people like him. all the tweaks and upgrades MS put into the 360? stuff that people hacked their original xbox to do. 1/2 the stuff apple put into their 3.0 software for the iphone was ideas from apps people had already made for cydia. the lists go on and on. if companies worked with these people instead of trying to lock them out, we'd all be better off for it. piracy wouldn't be an issue if these companies would charge a decent price for their services. 60$ for a stupid movie tie in platformer? junk 20-30$ for a DVD/Blu ray that ALREADY made a profit in the movie theater? BS. 15$ for a CD to buy 1-2 good songs? lolz. charge a reasonable price for a good service, and most people will pay. successful companies know this.
a) if its a stupid movie tie in platformer then don't buy it b) Not every movie makes a profit in theaters, and movies are constantly on sale somewhere, I have 166 Blurays and I have only paid initial MSRP for a few of them c) if you only want 1 or 2 songs off the CD, then just buy them off of a service like Itunes for $1 each instead of the whole CD
Please don't hack it for playing pirated games, just do it for homebrew. Pirated games ruin systems like the PSP and devs get scared developing for it... I hate people who make programs so pirated games can be run, I love homebrew applications though.
when a console is hacked is because sony want it to be hacked ps1 and ps2 were hacked once sony aprove it ps3 in other hand will not be hacked until sony said so maye never maybe someday. i don't care.
If i am Kaz Hirai, i´dd give him a job. Or not?
Mother of God, it's true! My PS3 is now patiently waiting for custom firmware and the inevitable PS2 emulator!! It's just a matter of time....or a couple of years!