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Release Dates: Does Nintendo Ever Learn?

Paul from Connected Consoles writes: An Englishman, an American and a Japanese man walk into a game store... The Japanese man leaves with Fatal Frame, the American with No More Heroes 2, and the Englishman with Disaster Da... empty handed.

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mjolliffe3225d ago

I want to play Monster Hunter Tri now! But have to wait till April at least :(

Trevorthenerd3225d ago

Capcoms fault not nintendos...

SpoonyRedMage3225d ago

Most of these examples aren't Nintendo's fault though, they don't tell Third parties when they can release game and even in their Press Releases they don't seem to include Square Enix releases for instance.

In the case of No More Heroes 2, Rising Star Games is probably keeping it until the next fiscal year because they're a tiny company and it will be probably their biggest release. No More Heroes is very important to them, whereas to Ubisoft it's a tiny title they can send out whenever.

mjolliffe3225d ago (Edited 3225d ago )

There's a lot of examples that are though...

And anyway, if they can release a game as big as Monster Hunter Tri in August last year in Japan, whys should the Americans and Europeans wait till April. Nintendo should make them release it simultaneously because if the game is good enough it will sell.

SpoonyRedMage3225d ago

Nintendo isn't allowed to dictate what third parties do! That's anti-competitive and they would be sued for it. In fact they were sued for dictating what third parties could release in the early nineties.

It's also one of the main reasons that Nintendo lost support following the SNES.

There are some bad examples which are still unclear though like with Fatal Frame 4 which is apparently due a dispute between Nintendo and Tecmo about making changes to the game for western release. Basically Tecmo wanted more money for it which Nintendo refused.

But Silent Hill and No More Heroes have nothing to do with Nintendo and Monster Hunter Tri's release date is probably decided by Capcom and is likely left till April to but it in the next Fiscal Year.

I disagree that the release list in thin though(although thinner than the HD consoles:
January: Tatsunoko vs Capcom(29th)
February: Crystal Bearers(5th), Endless Ocean 2(5th), Super Monkey Ball(12th), Sky Crawlers(26th)
March: Silent Hill(4th), Calling(18th), Rune Factory Frontier, Red Steel 2, Fragile Dreams

mastiffchild3225d ago

You're right on one thing there Spoons-it isn't always Nintendo's fault. However, it's their attittude to the EU that doesn't help how things look isn't it? Like the big EU games convention at Cologne(formerly Leipzig)where Nintendo are about the only sizeable company not to even attend for the past few years(IIRC)-it all adds to the feeling that we don't get as much attention as we should and we certainly don't get the releases we should or when we should get them if we ARE lucky enough for them to arrive.

Also, IDK about MH3 still being Capcom's sole decision seeing as it's being fully published by nintendo in the EU dioesn't that give them a lot of say when they'll be releasing and marketing it over here? At least that's got to be partially thir choice, no?

Whatever(and the argument over Fatal Frame4 is a joke and, imo, stems from Tecmo feeliong that if Nintendo wants changes to the game because of THEIR worries about THEIR (NoA)image then why should Tecmo pay for it all? That's entirely Nintendo being tight to a third party when they knew how the game was and didn't have to snaffle the rights to one of the very few third party franchises on the Wii with an existing western fanbase! As you know, I'm not even convinced those ARE the reasons behind it being pulled over here seeing as the game was actually advertised in the continental print mags for a March 2009 release! What changed?

Thing is it's as bad on the HD consoles from a lot of companies. Take Sega and the ongoing idiocy surrounding the Yakuza series:It's a moan we often hear from Sega that they don't know whether to bring it or not because the previous games didnb't sell very well(and they didn't as ,IIRC, Y2 sold about 40,000 in the States).However, I recall both games we did get so far bewing totally devoid of marketing, releasing 18months or more after they did in Japan(and in the case of Y2 on PS2 way after PS3 had launched!)and not even being available for preorder at my local Game or Gamestation because, and I quote "we don't even know if any will turn up! They never did last time!". They didn't send nearly enough stock out for it TO sell that well imo even if people had wanted or had even heard of it in the UK. It's really almost as if they(Sega) don't want the hassle of marketing, localising or shipping to the EU-let alone give the series a real push and, sadly, they haven't done so with any game in the series so far yet everyone who's borrowed my copies has been DYING to get their hands on the slick looking third installment and the MIA Kenzan!

And that isn't a lonely tale these days, is it? Look at Demon's Souls. Rave reviews, on tons of GOTY lists and yet no plans for an EU release? Whyever not? The UK alone is the third largest single country games market so just HOW big is the EU? I realise localisation and the many tax and excise laws are a pain in the ass but, God knows, there's money to be made here. Why, in the case of DS(or any Sony PS3 region free games)don't they just do another run of the Japanese discs and make a subs patch for each language available on the PSN to D/L with a code on the disc? They could even charge a little fee to cover the minimal cost of a subtitle translation, couldn't they? If it starts doing well they could do a proper job and localise fully AND would knkow that next time out they had a fanbase here there and everywhere!But, no, because SCEE are the most useless EU part of any company ever to darken the shores of any EU nation, imo, and seem content for their gamers to lag behind the entir world in almost every way they can help us in doing so!

So "willNintendo ever learn!" should be "will the industry ever care about the EU?". We pay more for our consoles and more for our games(way, way more in some cases and ALWAYS more on average than Japan and the USA)than the two "pet" territories and, in Sony's case where the EU supported PS3 BETTER than anywhere on the planet in sales terms it's disgraceful to me. Whatever, they're all bad at it from Atlus(who just don't know we exist I think)to MS(why does our Live not have at least alternative services to the US with Netflix etc?)with them having varying degrees from Sony t the bottom and MS at the better end, of abusing their UK/EU gamers(I will NOT even start on the way these companies treat our Australian brothers!).

Nintendo aren't the worst at all and the author here is blaming them because the schedule looks crappy compared to the other consoles for Q1 in the UK without checking exactly how or why things have been delayed(doesn't seem aware, e.g, that different publihers are involved in some games from the US to the EU)but, still, they NEED to be better while Sony Europe need shooting(or something to make them it up and realise just how many of their loyal and long suffering EU gamers are starting to wonder just why we get so badly taken for granted and denied so many games from PS1 classics to new, full releases(the fiasco surrounding the release of SF2THDR is a case in ploint seeing as it released everywhere months before it did in the EU on the PSN. We'd had in in the EU on Liv a short time after the US but on the PSN they waited(blaming "legal" issues that MS somehow seemed not to have for the SAME gme in all the SAME countries)until a day or two before the release of effin' SF$!! Oh, I bet Capcom wer SO damn pleased about that! Or they wouldn't have been if they ever cared about us either which brings us right back to MH3 which seems to repeat the "almost here! No, it's gone again:(" pattern a couple of times per year these days!

Is it just me or are we in the UK/EU/Aus getting more Japanese games failing to reach our shores? And of those that DO come-are they getting here EVEN later than last gen? Anyway, thanks , Sony, for forcing me to import DS And thanks Play Asia for stopping shipping to the UK and making me use effin Ebay. And thanks to the two w4nkers on there that ripped me off when I DID try! We ONLY want the games, that's all and as you manage to sort them out for the States why, oh God, why not here? Our cash no good to you guys?

Mahr3225d ago (Edited 3225d ago )

"Nintendo isn't allowed to dictate what third parties do! That's anti-competitive and they would be sued for it. In fact they were sued for dictating what third parties could release in the early nineties"

This is all completely true, but what *is* Nintendo's fault is that since the Wii is specifically designed for region lockout, if I want to import a game, as in, buy the Japanese release from Japan, I am effectively banned from actually playing a game that I have legally purchased. This is not civilized.

SpoonyRedMage3225d ago (Edited 3225d ago )

Well with the events I'd say it's more that Nintendo doesn't really care for the events, they don't go to TGS and usually have the smallest showing at E3. They tend to hold their own events to announce things or just announce them whener.

With Fatal Frame though I don't think it's as simple as Nintendo being tight to Tecmo(especially considering they employed them for Metroid) but you are right that it's probably more complicated, Suda 51 just recently refused to comment on it so something went down but there doesn't seem to be any bad blood between them...(or may be there is between Suda and Tecmo? I dunno).

No Nintendo doesn't have full publishing for Monster Hunter, Capcom are still the official publisher but everything that the publisher has to spend money to do(advertising, ratings, districution) is being done by Nintendo. Obviously the decision to move to April is to put in the next fiscal year though.

I'd say Nintendo are actually quite good in Europe compared to the US though, I'd say personally, we tend to get titles at around the same time, or even earlier and even get quite a few games they don't(although they get a few we don't).

You are right about Europe being treated terribly though, which is weird when you look at who makes up most of the sales. For instance Marvelous' Wii titles sell the most in Europe in general.(LKS and NMH did)

Mahr, yes it's not very consumer friendly. The reason region locking came about was because of rating and also to protect each individual division's interests. NOA and NOE are technically two separate entities and for every person from Europe who imported from the US that's a lost sales for NOE and it also skews the demographics, a game could be the most popular in Europe but sell the most from the US, so then they'd concentrate on the US foolishly.

@V: Yer, I'm not saying it's completely right but that's why they do it, unfortunately that does block us from playing some games.

But take for instance Demon Souls, if many people have imported it due to it not getting an EU release and then someone sees the US sales and decides to bring it over the sales potential is damaged due to the imports and not everyone will double dip. Then they'd have a justification(however wrong it is) for not bringing future games over. As I said, unfortunate.

Mahr3225d ago

"'Mahr, yes it's not very consumer friendly. The reason region locking came about was because of rating and also to protect each individual division's interests."

I know why region locking came about; I'm saying it's immoral and uncivilized.

"NOA and NOE are technically two separate entities and for every person from Europe who imported from the US that's a lost sales for NOE"

The scenario that I'm talking about is if I'm from a region where a game is not released and I buy from the game from a region where it was released, I am not allowed to play it. So in that example, I would be in Europe, importing a game from the US because NOE decided not to publish it.

It's not a lost sale for NOE because NOE is not actually selling it. The number of sales that NOE gets will be zero whether I import the game or not.

"and it also skews the demographics, a game could be the most popular in Europe but sell the most from the US, so then they'd concentrate on the US foolishly"

If the US is the only region where said game is available, then it clearly doesn't matter to Nintendo where the game is the most popular.

Mahr3225d ago

"But take for instance Demon Souls, if many people have imported it due to it not getting an EU release and then someone sees the US sales and decides to bring it over the sales potential"

Obviously no one at Sony, From Software, or Atlus considers that to be an even remotely likely issue since they released the game on the PS3, which is Region Free, so Europeans can import that game all they want and take away from the hypothetical sales of Imaginary European Publishing Company LTD.

"Then they'd have a justification(however wrong it is) for not bringing future games over."

I don't care whether a company brings a game over or not; it's their right whether they want to expend the cost of a release in a region. But if they say "We're not going to release in this region", then they've clearly forfeit any right to the sales of that region.

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xx SgtP3pp3r xx3225d ago

I hate it when a game is released in one region and then not another. I think us Europeans have it the worst as there are a larger diversity of languages to code into the game.

John_Dylan3225d ago

Meh weve grown numb to it already, Mother 3 never crossed the Pacifc either and again another dedicated group of souls manage to translate everything to flawless English.

But for games like the above it really is the choice of the developer, you cant blame it squarely on Nintendo.

rumplstilts3224d ago

The reasons why MHTri is so delayed is for a few reasons such as Wii speak support. They also added an easier friend system. there is also localisation issues.