Aaron Greenberg has posted a response to the December NPD results in which he praises the Xbox 360 for its software sales and more.
Microsoft are right to look at things from a broader perspective, it did outsell the PS3 in North America. But not by much. However the very fact that it did outsell the mighty PS3 may be seen as a victory by some. However if we remain to take a broader perspective of things, the 360 has sold less this holiday period than in 2008 despite being cheaper. Obviously Microsoft realise that their market growth on their home turf is weakening, no wonder why they are putting all their cards on Natal. But it'll need to be nothing less than a cultural hit for the 360 to show growth in 2010 and beyond otherwise the PS3 will begin to consistently outsell it in the US as it does outside it. Personally, I'm excited about Natal's potential. Microsoft are more of a need of a brand image change than any other. Hopefully Natal gives them that, assuming it's worth it. If you agree with me, press either agree or disagree
Denial is not a good thing my friend. PlayStation 2 333.2K PlayStation 3 1.36M PSP 654.7K Xbox 360 1.31M Wii 3.81M Nintendo DS 3.31M EDIT: Oh,ok. The article was talking about the DECEMBER NPD sales, so I thought that is what he was referring to.
1. Wii 2. Xbox 360 3. PS3 Same story in North America since 2007. The PS3 is DEFINETLY closing the gap, however it'll be hard for it to take second place overall when the 360 cuts the price. M$ is INSANE. If the PS3 begins to outsell the 360 significantly, whose to say that that M$ won't add built-in Wi-fi or make Gold Membership free? Trust me...it will be VERY hard for the PS3 to overtake the 360 in NA. I'm not biased and I'm certaintly not a fanboy, just sayin what I think will happen. "the 360 has been dirt cheap, has had some insane bundles and that still was not enough, what needs a price cut is live and accessories, i dont think MS is willing to do that though" Because M$ is STILL in 2nd place. M$ isn't making Live free and giving consumers free Wi-fi cause their not in the danger zone yet. When/If the PS3 begins to outsell the 360 in NA, were gunna see M$ do crazy things. If M$ included Wi-fi out-of-the-box and all of a sudden made XBL Gold free, the PS3 would be done.
What 2009's biggest failure was the lack of console exclusives. However, in 2010 MS has 7 console exclusives already which should mean a good year. SCC ME2 Alan Wake Crackdown 2 Halo Reach Fable 3 Metro 2033 @Sunny He's talking about overall sales for the year 2009 in the US.
I thought the ps3 outsold the 360? MS shouldn't be too disheartened they beat their 2008 sales. Its just the ps3 beat its 2008 sales greatly with the price cut and the wii sells more than well... everything.
The PS3 beat the 360 in NA by just a little, but DESTROYED it in overall WW sales. In the end, NA =/= World and the world is where the PS3 triumphs.
no surprise greenburg mentioned the PS3 when talking about xbox 360 sales..... "However the very fact that it did outsell the mighty PS3 may be seen as a victory by some" its just funny hearing a 360 fan saying that given this is the 360s homeland where it has dominated before if MS wanted to do a image rebrand i would sell a SKU with EVERYTHING included and make a big thing about it in a marketing push, also, either cut or scrap the cost of live @deadreckoning666, the 360 has been dirt cheap, has had some insane bundles and that still was not enough, what needs a price cut is live and accessories, i dont think MS is willing to do that though
Does anyone know how much consumers spent on PS3 hardware, software and accessories? Also what was there attach rate? @saaking: link please? and not some random site.
Not all those games are exclusive, and it doesn't make sense to just limit the contenders to consoles to claim that they are. If that was the case I could call a lot of games PC exclusives, if I didn't want to take consoles into consideration. It really makes no sense to ignore an entire platform.
Just watch, Saaking wont post any link.
I'm not shocked Aaron had to look at the cumulative 2009 sales, the data is true. The 360 sold 486k more than the PS3 in 2009. He can't very well come out and say they sold 1.2 million less than they did last year. His disregard of the Wii is hilarious.
So the amount that the 360 outsold the PS3 by in the whole of 2009 in North America was made up in 1 month of sales in Japan (December).
He didn't mention wii, because wii is dominating the market. He didn't talk specificly about 360 vs ps3 December NPD sales cause sony had a narrow edge. He did talk about US cumulative 2009 sales because the 360 is on top. He did talk about 360 software sales because they are amazing, even compared to wii which sells alot more hardware month to month and has a bigger install base. Typical PR, nothing over-the-top fanboyish about his comments. JOY
silvacrest: What release are you reading? He never said that. NPD shows great 2009 results for #Xbox360 $4.8B in consumer spend, outsold the PS3, led in 3rd party SW & record 8.8 SW attach http://www.examiner.com/exa... http://twitter.com/aarongre...
He quoted Meus Elven6, not Greenburg.
greenberg neglected talking about losing what many insiders call the most illustrious month of console sales along with black friday (the festive period) ps3 was the only console to see an increase in NPD sales by double figures (22%) ps3s is beating the 360 worldwide which proves japan is still relevant where its consistently beating the 360 by a huge margin and dfor the year 2009 its margin was by more than one million 360 outsold the ps3 overall in NPD by how large was the gap? they were both in the 4million bracket the lead was very marginal if you look at the figures so yes i agree with joy in the fact that greenberg is doing his PR talk even if there are FACTS that show its not as clear cut as greenberg suggests
Action Bastard: He specifically mentions Greenberg in his post.
no surprise greenburg mentioned the PS3 when talking about xbox 360 sales..... (1 sentence, referring to Greenburg) "However the very fact that it did outsell the mighty PS3 may be seen as a victory by some" (1 new sentence, quoting Meus) its just funny hearing a 360 fan saying that given this is the 360s homeland where it has dominated before (a follow up opinion to the Meus quote) Just b/c he mentioned Greenburg, doesn't mean his entire statement was referring to Greenburg.
Action Bastard: Where did Greenberg say anything about the PS3 in his statement? That was what I was asking.
LOL @ both sony and MS fanboys disregarding the ever increasing Wii lead, I keep hearing about how sony is going to steal the #1 spot, or how natal and that dildo wand that sony has are going to "DESTROY!!!!!!!!" the wii, because all of a sudden the hardcore gamers are backing motion control now that it has come to their system of choice. But the wii outsells all other consoles consistently and the gap is increasing, so when will the heralded "end of the Wii" take place exactly?
I love how Aaron brings out the absolute worst in people by expressing positive state of the 360.. Why not concentrate on what the 360 did well throughout the year.. Software sales and withstanding the amazing sales of what essentially was a brand new console from Sony. It is what it is.. Evil
http://playstationlifestyle... Total for the year 2009 Xbox360 - 4,770,700 PS3 - 4,334,500 Shang Tsung says .... Xbox360 Wins - Flawless Victory ***Edit*** Proud Wii360 owner and yes tricks are for kids and also I was only counting the HD system. But your right if you include the Wii then yes it is first which is good too. :)
Wii: 9,594,000 Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids.
In the end consoles are sold at a loss so they can make profit on software (games/ + bluy ray movies for sony) and hardware sales 2009 Microsoft did better job than Sony, question is if Microsoft will be able to keep this up.
Not all consoles are sold at a loss late in life. The Wii was never sold at a loss, and I'm pretty sure the 360 is breaking even now. I don't know how much the new PS3 slim costs, but I'd imagine it's pretty close to even if not completely even. Late in life console sales are meant to make money. Early life console sales are meant to increase install base.
Where in the NPD Charts did the 360 outsell the PS3 in December? I'm seeing 1.36M for the PS3 and 1.31M for the 360 in the US. Is that wrong? Is there something that I'm not seeing here?
I would like to know by what conditions people state the 360 or ps3 is beating the other in world wide numbers. By a given period like a single year or lifetime because if I am not mistaken, the ps3 is NOT beating the 360 in worldwide numbers for lifetime sales. Please explain how the ps3 is killing the 360 and under what specific data chart this information is displayed? I would think that any year over year growth is better than a decline. Keep in mind that not only are these consoles competing against each other, they are competing against themselves in previous quarterly results. Any gain is better than a decline. No spin there just plain simple common sense.
Broad perspective is EXACTLY what Sony's goal has been the whole time! They know that over the lifetime of the console it will dominate. The 360's already starting to show that it's at the end of its lifecycle. Sure, Natal "might" add to that with a gimmick, but the actual hardware of the 360 is nearing its max.
thanks action for trying to clear up something i thought was clear and obvious @Elven6, from the examiner.com in quoats "NPD shows great 2009 results for #Xbox360 $4.8B in consumer spend, outsold the PS3, led in 3rd party SW & record 8.8 SW attach its in quoats and the title of the article is aaron greenberg responds to december NPD results, who else could it be refferencing if not greenberg?
The facts? Microsoft threw the kitchen sink and every possible bundle imaginable at the market. Bundles that no one could have dreamed of and they still couldn't beat Sony. No amount of broader perspective views will alter the fact that MS is losing the worldwide fight against Sony and Sony's lineup in 2010 is even more lethal than the MS multiplatform lineup. With one country added to the US total, Japan, Sony completely buries Microsoft.
Indeed. Gran Turismo 5 and God of War 3 will sell more systems than Halo Reach could ever dream of.
"he facts? Microsoft threw the kitchen sink and every possible bundle imaginable at the market. Bundles that no one could have dreamed of and they still couldn't beat Sony." What Mega Super Ultra Bundle are you referring to that MS threw out this Holidat? Batman lego and Pure? LOL. If you want to talk about outrages bundle, try the one that Best Buy have with throwing in a PS3 and a game and Blu Ray Movie for Free when you buy a Bravia TV. Both PS3 and X360 have some limited bundles like the MW2 Arcade Bundle at Walmart and the inFamous/ Batman AA/ The Dark Knight Blu Ray bundle at Walmart. Stop posting outrages claims.
Actually morganfell the 360 outsold the PS3 in NA without a price drop. The PS3 however had a price drop and it hardly made a dent. The PS3 isn't looking to good after 3yrs on the market and after a 130 million PS2 install base. 130 million for the PS2 and as powerful as a brand the PLaystation is the PS3 is failing by comparison. The PS2 sold 15 million n its 2nd year alone (in one year) and 18 million in ts 3rd. The hard fact is the 360 has stolen over half the Playstation install base and carved a permanent spot in the console arena dethroning the once mighty king of consoles. Sony has had to play catch up this entire gen with games, sales, and online and they are still behind. fact
If I am not mistaken the 360 outsold the PS3 in November and December combined. It also outsold the PS3 for the year. The PS3 with all it had going for it--the redesign, the amazing bundles, the strong game lineup, and a major price drop--only managed to just squeak by the 360 in sales for December. I know this doesn't include some of the other large markets, but how can people try and paint this as a failure for the 360 and a massive success for the PS3? I'm not saying the PS3 did bad, but it didn't have near the astronomical sales that PS3 fanboys were predicting for it. If this is as good as it was able to do even with all it had going for it, all I am saying is that it will be very difficult for the PS3 to catch the 360 at this rate. Furthermore, I don't know how they can increase the rate, since they have already used all their biggest cards. To make matters worse, the 360 has an amazing year ahead of it, which is likely to make catching up even more difficult.
FFS people America is not the f*cking world!!! PS3 greatly outsold the 360 world wide. If you wanna talk just about America then say you're talking about America instead of acting like you're talking about the world.
That's pretty ironic. Reasons above point out why.
That jessupj is an absolute fact. I think some people live back in the hills of West Virginia where they have to pipe in the sunlight. It is the world that matters. And the US is only a part of that. And as I said the 360 edging out of the PS3 in US sales is completely gone when Japan is added to the US totals. The PS3 completely leaves the 360 behind.
Microsoft REALLY want the third party approval.
read my mind NA=/=World where PS3 won. Well Nintendo but let's stay on the hd consoles.
If the PS3 were beating 360 so bad around the world then please explain why there's a 5-8 million 360console lead? DO you have any links that show PS3 well ahead world wide? I'm just curious where these numbers are coming from.
its just assumed because of the US and japan alone there is no NPD equivilent for the whole of europe, MOST assume PS3 own europe apart from the UK i agree with this because the rare times somebody post numbers from france, italy, spain germany etc it is dominated by wii and PS3
Because M$ had a 1 year head start.
oh beans...its pretty obvious why 360 has a lead - because it was out a year earlier. But the ps3 has been outselling it globally, closing the gap.
Explanation: The 360 was launched in November 2005. By the time the PS3 launched in November 2006, the 360 sold close to 6 million units. There's your explanation. Don't believe me? http://vgchartz.com/hwtable...
A year head start in the US and a year and some change in Europe. I'd also like to know how many people have bought more than one 360 due to technical issues and bans. Is that good enough for your fanboy mind or do we need to keep going?
You still there buddy? Can't find a wiki?
Ok guys let's try it again. I don't think any of you caught what I was trying to say. Now if the PS3 were only 6 million behind when the 360 launched then why (once again) is 360 still ahead by the same amount or more? Where is this gap being filled at other than Japan which obviously isn't enough? If 360 were being crushed worldwide I would assume they be in 3rd place by now, but that's not the case is it? Both consoles are pretty much moving at the same pace this gen. Really the only difference is 360 sales more software and accessories while PS3 sales more consoles when you combine psp and ps2 in the mix.
Did you not notice that the PS3 just started selling well 3-4 months ago? Before then, the gap between the two would always fluctuate between larger and smaller. If you look at the numbers, the 360 was drifting away from PS3 for more than half of 2009... until September when the price drop and Slim were in full affect.
6million when PS3 was released in US and Japan to limited numbers. the 360 had a free holiday to sell again. the PS3 didnt come to Europe til March. since that March date the PS3 as sold better then the 360.
But the point still stands that the 360 was 6 million ahead when the PS3 launched and it is still more than 6 million consoles ahead. Microsoft recently announced that the 360 had surpassed the 39 million mark, while most estimates put the PS3 at around 32 or 33 million. That would give the 360 a 6 or 7 million console lead. So, the lead has not shrunk. This means that the 360 and PS3 have been selling at almost exactly the same rate. Nevertheless, the 360 still has a multi-million console lead and the PS3 is going to have to start outselling it by a couple million a year if it is going to have any chance of catching up any time soon.
I highly doubt that. If Microsoft sold 39 million consoles then they would've just said "39 million consoles sold", just like how Sony always says sold. But they said "39 million consoles around the world", for all we know, there's probably 3 million 360s sitting around in warehouses. You can barely understand what MS says these days, they're always spinning.
@Beans it is generally accepted that PS3 beat 360 worldwide going by NPD + Media Create. See, 360 outsold the PS3 in the US by roughly 400,000 units. Okay, fine. PS3 outsold the 360 in Japan by over one million units; putting the PS3 ahead by 600,000 units or there abouts. Now, unless the 360 outsold the PS3 by more than 600,000 units across Europe, which i find hard to believe considering the continent's traditional "Sony love", then the PS3 outsold the 360 worldwide. Maybe not "crushed it" though.
Well, couldn't expect anything less from Greenburg.
Sales are stupid. If you don't own stocks in these companies then who gives a sh!t?
why does he always have to mention the competition? always having to bring how how much they outsold this and that... give a rest, maybe you should focus on yourselves then worry about beating the other guy because the truth is, the other guy is doing just that and he's kicking your ass even though you can't admit it yourself. god i hate greenberg. he's the personification of what microsoft is: a giant douche.
That's what I hate about Greenberg, always making everything a competition. Seriously who gives a sh!t about December sales.
the guy is insecure about his console i think, so he reassures himself with sales. i don't know why he cant just admit ps3 has amazing games/sales for being out the door with bad ports and a 600-500 dollar price tag. i think if he got some ps3 game time he would be pretty impressed. damn im glad i own all consoles.
Why he needs to respond to December NPD result so fast?...looks like somebody is hearing giant steps approaching.
He posted on twitter. It's fast. That's how twitter works. Welcome to 2009. :p
Outsold the PS3? I guess Greenberg can have his own happy time. Sometimes wishful thinking isn't good though. He won't be saying the same thing next year when the PS3 outsells the 360 by a wider margin every month.
the PS3 only outsold the 360 in 3 of the 12 months. get your facts right ....Xbox outsold PS3 for the whole year
I guess you can also have your own little happy time. After all, you bots can watch all the p0rn you have since all you do every hour is shoot people in COD. The 360 did outsell the PS3. Oh yeah, in North America, xbot land. Why am I surprised? Mommy I want a xbox! Thank you! *screams like a girl and humps the 360 box*
this is December NPD not the whole year!! and by the way the ps3 outsold the 360 world wide most of the year 2009!! and they are ahead of them in Europe(biggest market in the world) and japan!! and its funny when u guys bring software sales because all major publishers reports shows that they make money more on ps3 than 360 why is that? i will answer it for u since u r a bot, it is because ps3 game sales have longer legs than 360 and thats a fact!!
1.3 million sales for each console, the difference being a mere 50,000 units and you say it's crushing the xbox ... HAHAHAH after a massive prices cut the PS3 should outsell the xbox by at lest 2:1 or even more ... Remember that's what xbox did for the first 9 months of 2009 .... Did you get your teeth whitened yet droids ... look at 2008 december NPD Wii - 2.15 million NDS - 3.04 million X360 - 1.44 million PS3 - 726,000 PSP - 1.02 million PS2 - 410,000 PS3 price cut hasn't harmed xbox sales at all ... !!!!
Is it important? Surely all that matters is that you have the system that best suits your needs. 45% of Americans believe in Creationism and that the world is less than 10,000 years old. Does that not speak volumes about the American masses? I'm not saying the yanks are stupid, far from it, but if they preferred Mama Mia to Star Wars does it make Star Wars any less amazing? I'll stick with a Playstation thanks.
Why is 4.7billloss showing US numbers from dec 2008? Forgive me for being sensible here but should figures that have no relation to the report be reported as spam? OT: It does look as though the PS3 is now in a stride. While 360 has not lost sales, it is up 1% afterall, the PS3 seems to climbing all the time.
you appear to have missed the whole point of the article. Yes, the NPD numbers show that PS3 beat xbox by 50K in NA in dec 2009. However, the article is about greenburg talking about xbox outselling PS3 throughout the whole year ... Your comment about the ps3 CRUSHING the xbox is a lol ... I made the comparison between 2008 and 2009 because to be crushing I'd expect the PS3 to be outselling the abox by at least 2 to 1, just like the xbox did in 2008. simples. What it shows is that year on year xbox sales have not dipped, so while PS3 is doing fantastically it's not huting the xbox, in stark contrast to how the xbox's price cut uf 2008 sent xbox sales soaring way above PS3's, outselling it sometimes 4:1 even in Japan. For PS3 to just be holding on so soon after amassive price cut is a real disappointment no matter how you spin it. Who thought after 3/4 years this gen we'd STILL be talking about the PS3 having to catch up ... the way droids went on about it at the PS3 launch they all thought the xbox would be consined to the dustbin and in last place ... you have to admit ... it's done very well this gen reagardless ... @@ RedDragon - it was a response to a post ... it's valid ... not spam ... it shows you a real crushing of sales of one console over another ... not some 50k scrape .... capiche?
They thought they had Dec. sorry you lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you got beat on your home turf, then you know you got your A$$ handed to you in world wide sales. It's just a matter time crapbox tards cheerleaders. the PS3 is only getting better and selling alot!!!!!!!!!!! Natal will do nothing for the 360, add-on will kill the 360. It's sad the 360 need add-on to give it longevity. You can't mess with the sony brand, hello look at the 10 years old playstation 2. sony knows how to take care of it's gamers. watch MS fanboys Ms will crap on you once more. come get some xbots.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE GOES THE CHEERLEADERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Selling neck and neck with the PS3 won't cut it for Microsoft because they are being out sold by the PS3 everywhere else. Sony can maintain neck and neck sales with Microsoft in North America and still close the gap world wide by end of the year.