GamesRelay looks at recent developments with Natal and wonders whether the system can actually match what was presented at E3 last year.
Just look at that girl in the picture. Look at her! She's playing some water game. Who the hell is gonna play a water game with their friends on or offline together? Really? Milo? Milo?!!!!! Peter and the rest of his crew are insane in my eyes. Please, please dont get me started on that elephant cause right now cause I think im gonna freakin snap!
People are trend set morons... Believe it or not, there are plenty of moronic people in the world who would sit around and play a water game and flick their hands back and forth lookin' very absurd in the process. Natal should be in every mental institution across the globe cos' only retards, idiots, crazy people and jerg offs will get into it... Sadly, the entire world is comprised of 95% of nothing but. Natal will make a huge splash cos' it's "NEW" and "NEW" sells. New sells because idiots think they have to be on the cutting edge of something no matter how stupid it is. The pager comes to mind in the 90's... Some idiots would have the pager and the cell phone. Stupid? Yeah, just a little bit. there are idiots in this world who go out and buy a phone every 6 months. Some jerg off's buy a laptop every year, knowing very little about the fact they can upgrade them themselves at half the cost. People are morons. Consumers are the most idiotic people on the face of the planet. They will buy a turd if their friends did. Just so they're not left out of the loop. Heaven forbid someone be themselves and have a mind of their own. Why do you think the Jonus Brothers and Taylore Swift are so popular? Do you think it's because they're talented? It's because the media fed them to a couple "cool" kids and then those "Cool" kids had to be emulated by other kids trying to be "cool" ... You're about to snap? I'm right there with ya.
@ nogolis . Dude, that was deep. I never looked at it like that until now, and now im not mad at fanboys anymore. I realize they are suffering more then anything and I need to help, not make fun of those who are in need. Thank you Noglis. I would like to shoot you in a game or two one day. Add me.
but i still hope they deliver something fresh n ya so far looks like a flop also hoping the ps3 wand delivers seems a bit tighter for the control n the wand will have buttons at least.
This info on Natal is worrying. But perhaps the worst part about it is that we are yet to see any tangible use of Natal on 1st person and 3rd person games. So far the PS3 Sphere seems more promising.
I can't wait to care even less after it debuts. Natal just seems like it is destined for the bargain bin unless some kind of stellar "hardcore" games are developed for it. I would love to see some rich gameplay come E3 of someone wrecking house in Gears 2 using Natal or slinking around as Sam Fisher in SC:Conviction, but I feel this will never happen let alone a great new IP for the peripheral. I usually have the "don't judge until it's out" mentality but I just feel underwhelmed by the whole thing, and E3 09 Natal demos didn't help win we over either.
"Just look at that girl in the picture. Look at her!" I'm looking... at the E3 video and I would so tap that a$$. Back to subject. In the eye's of non 360 fanboys, we know that the natal tech demo was pretty pathetic, Lame, embarrassing and hilarious at times( Ricochet/ splish splash painting, lagging, you know...) But who knows, maybe, just maybe, it actually might have improved since capcom is working on a title for it and all and since one of my favorite dev. is capcom, I won't judge any further until I see a complete natal game in action.
....uh Taylor Swift is talented -_-
Look at you attacking a girl because you think people will stereo type the girl as not knowing anything about gaming. I'm looking at YOU, and this fanboy article. I noticed you didn't attack G4TV. I notice you didn't attach gamespot, or IGN or any expert male dominated game sites that PLAYED BURNOUT with NATAL. Why didn't you? Because people will instantly realize that game requires QUICk reflexes, and a instant response, and all that tested it said it had INSTANT responses! Not a single person that play tested it at E3 2009, or after E3 2009 said there was any delays. In fact they praise it for being instant, with good controls. I also noticed that at E3 Microsoft has already said that the NATAL box will have it's OWN SILICON. Now out of PURE negative fanboy speculation out of a fanboy site your trying to say it will be a load on the xbox360's three CPU's. WRONG, you FAIL, fantoy. I wonder when the ps3 waggle comes out will you supply the same logic? I dought it. Will the same site, and fantoys say there is a delay for the waggle because translating will put a load on the PS3? Especially since I have not seen a word about the PS3 waggle having it's own silicon inside the waggle!
There sure are a lot of haters out there. Every other article is either "Natal is Doomed" or "Natal Will Fail.' It's almost like these gaming blogs have it in for the thing already and it hasnt even been released. I say give it a chance. Dont count your chickens before they hatch. You never know, it might just blow people away.
One article from a fanboy site huh? http://www.google.com/searc... So how many for these sites got it out for natal?
Milo and Natal is Pedobear approved. So it wont fail... probably.
I wonder how many of you have tried doing those publisher/advertising gigs online. Anyway, it wouldn't surprise me why we have a bunch of positive [or negative] reviews on certain products. The one advertising only needs to contact the publisher and tell them if they want a positive, negative, or generic opinion of their product. It is ultimately up to the one publishing to accept or decline the offer, so it doesn't surprise me if a bunch of the reviews out there are paid for and told to write something positive, or paid for and told to write something negative. Especially, given that these are websites generating a large number of unique visitors and much higher # of page impressions, they are prime targets for big advertisers. Heck, even twitter is a medium for advertising. The only problem is, we can't find out for sure if the article is a sponsored writeup since the FCC doesn't really say we have to be blunt about it. We only need to disclose it somewhere. For that, we'll have to find the disclosure page somewhere hidden in a site to see if they really are getting paid (or not) for writing their articles.
how Natal is supposed to work in a practical way. I'm being drop dead serious here. I don't know much about the tech or how it's supposed to work with most hardcore games (other than a few demos I've seen of Milo, Burnout, etc..), but being that fps' are ruling the day right now I would think that devs are trying to implement this new system into the genre. I posted this same thing a while back and no one really ever responded as to how Natal will work with your "run-0-the-mill" fps game? For the life of me - I just want someone, Anyone to explain to me how this works, because so far all I've got is: ==================== HOW YOU'LL WALK/RUN: Imagine a square on the floor and you're standing in the middle of it. Move forward in the square to walk forward (backward to move backward, etc..). To sprint, move to the far edge of the square and do high-knees. HOW YOU'LL SPIN AROUND: Drag your foot along the floor to "spin" the scenery. Drag your right foot back to turn left or forward to turn right. Kick hard and keep your foot off the floor to do a pirouette. HOW YOU'LL USE A GUN: Hold your hand like a gun and then, to fire, blink your left eye OR lower your thumb down to the knuckle of your middle finger.
reading what the travellers tales guy says I agree with him, natal is very clever but imperfect. However I think the lag issue wont matter in certain games where they can anticipate the lag. With the right games natal can shine. He is not the only developer however to question natal's accuracy; imo precision stuff is out of the question; this from Rob Pardo http://www.vg247.com/2009/0...
I certainly hope not! It needs to surpass what was presented at E3 last year by tenfold! Have you ever wondered what the bottom of an Avatar's shoe looks like?
I wold like to thank you for your deep concern for a product you will never use. I know that you only want the best for 360 owners and that your concerns about Natal is only to help M$ release a better product. We all know that the wand is superior and will be released this spring with all the great game that we have all seen. When Natal fails like you so lovingly predicted, you will get the honor of yelling to 360 fanboy "I told you so!!!"
For hardcore games, Natal will probably only be used in subtle ways such as upper body tracking (head, torso, etc.) for leaning and being able to look at various things without having to turn the camera.
@nogolis Don't care what Console you support, I only going to tell that your Logic is Almost Correct but you're forgetting that the xbox consumers are "HARDCORE" and natal is going against they "HARCORE NATURE", the thing can be hyped to Damn Much on the InterWebz by the M$ Fan-Crew but in the REAL WORLD it doesn't work like that Peace øut
Tap that ass? Are me talking games or porn now?
Arnon thanks for that answer! so this will be used limitedly in full blown "involved games" and somewhat tacked on maybe to older titles in the library for things that you just discussed (leaning, peaking, camera movement)? ..what i want to know is what's going to make all the Natal based games so different from the Wii's drawbacks (to hardcores) other than the graphics? I mean we are talking the 360 here... not exactly the domain of the cute, furry, and fam friendly Nintendo types so what is going to be so mind blowing about making facial expressions and getting animated in front of your set to the average hardcore gamer? How is this going to shift the landscape of the industry if it's not being implemented FULL BLOWN into say a Halo Reach where you can play the entire game with Natal? Was this ever conceived or was this never going to happen because for a while there MS was making it sound like gamers don't want/need controllers anymore because Natal is here. discuss
Since it's basically a camera that can track in a three dimensional environment, it could quite possibly be used for things such as hand tracking. Making various symbols for games such as Rainbow Six. Of course, some games will fully support Natal. I have no doubt in my mind that various parts of Fable 3 will be Natal-only (if you own it, of course). Fighting games could be done with it, though of course they would most likely be watered down... still, they're hardcore for such a device. We know Rare will create various games for the product as well. In all honesty, the only games that will fully support Natal will be the casual titles, with possibly a few hardcore games that work with Natal only. Still, it is nice to have body tracking for hardcore games. Works on PC quite nicely.
Project Anal Doomed to Fail
The lack of buttons / physical controls will be remedied in due time by Microsoft with another "must-have" $50 peripheral that will include all the buttons needed.
Funny you mention this because if you read interviews straight after Natal was shown, MS are quick to point out that they wanted games to use both Natal and the standard controller... so much for controllerless gaming.
The lack of ENOUGH buttons on the waggle will be remedied soon by Sony putting out a new must have item for the PS3.
LOL yall ps3fanboys are scared of natal hahahahahahah and yall better be.
natal will go the way of xbox -fail after ps3's price cut it is all over for x360 in console war
360 fans should be worried about the missing processor. Let's see how the 360 handles that extra 30% processing load. Get your fire extinguishers ready!!
You hit the nail with they better get there fire extinguishers ready, because something tells me that MS going to expand there 3 year warranty to 5 years after natal releases.
keep wondering sony editor .
which will launch in fall 2011. MS will switch to a 2 console strategy with the 360 (with natal) relegated to the casual and the 720 for the hardcore.
So what your telling me is, that if I want to continue playing the types of games I have for my 360, I'll have to upgrade to the 720? And since I have no interest in Natal, my 360 will become useless? No more support like the original? No more live? I tell you want, if they stop making the type of games most 360 owners like, trying to force them to the 720 they are gonna be SORELY disappointed with sales by the lost of many customers, me being the first. Thanks MS, I always knew you cared about your customer!
Really? I thought the guy behind the curtain, or on the sidelines at a keyboard, already sad that.
FLOP! like the 360.
we dont f*cking know yet. we have not seen any gameplay as of yet except those demos. How about we just wait and see. We cant can we, we have to piss on everything cause we're unhappy douches. no other hobby out there has such sad unhappy f*cks like gaming. its a f*cking gaming peripheral, thats it. Not all its cracked up to be, what is it cracked up to be besides the 360 foray into motion controlled gaming? I'm sure we'll see the same BS articles once the sony wand gets a firmer release time. It will be bullsh*t then too.
you inject common sense into a situation where it is usually NOT applied (N4G)! Props to you! This generation seems to be about "dooming" anything that gets some attention. Post E3, the industry buzz was about the gaming revolution that Natal would provide. Now, it seems there is a backlash. The PS3 had a similar backlash at launch, due to some hubris by Sony. As you stated, I'm sure there will be a "doom and gloom" article for the Sony controller as well. I guess it is the go-to move for sites to up their traffic. Just doom something...and flame on!!!*L*
I think the lag in Natal and lack of good games will be it's downfall. Only shovelware games can be played without buttons.
your post : """I think the lag in Natal and lack of good games will be it's downfall. Only shovelware games can be played without buttons.""" lets see if you really like the logic of your post by posting this: ""I think the lag in PS3 waggle and lack of good games will be it's downfall. Only shovelware games can be played without ENOUGH buttons."" hypocrisy!
The technology is at least an order of magnitude less complicated and the camera runs at least twice the speed of the Natal camera. So lag should be acceptably low.
@indysurfin dude nobody was bringing up the sony toy until you did. stop trying to bring in a mindless argument and put in something actually thoughtful. A lot of these comments here so far are serious and put some sensible thought to how Natal will function as a whole when it comes out. You have to agree and I do too, that when E3 was around, Natal was advertised as controller-less gaming. But with the recent interviews saying we could also use the controller, it sort of defeats the purpose of its claim/motto.
Sony quite clearly demonstrated the abillity of the wand to operate with little to no lag in their press conferences.
That is the perfect name for the ps wand. PSToy. Genius.
So much hate for something most people havnt even experienced yet
'Natal wont fail because there is far too much support for it and their will be a massive ad campaign for it. PSWand will fail because it lacks support, most likely wont have an ad campaign and if it did i dont see how sony will be able to convince a casual buyer to buy: A PS3 A PSEye 2-4 Wands That just seems far too much and far too expensive. At least you only need 1 Natal for 4 players plus its likely MS will has a 360 with it built in too.' That's what YOU said btw... have you played the wand? You seem to be hating on it. To which I retarted with counter points using INTELLIGENCE. Also... why won't the Natal fail you'll still need a controller so your whole 2-4 wand argument goes down the toilet. Also, you do realise you NEED to buy a 360 to play Natal? You seem reluctant to admit it but your a fanboy and pretty stupid as one. Natal will fail because IT CANNOT BE USED ONLINE. What's the 360's main draw? THE ONLINE. Natal will fail because their has yet to be a FPS shown on Natal infact all I've seen is Eytoy party games, and painting. Compare that to the Wand, I've seen LBP use it, Resident evil use it. I also saw a FPS tech demo AND a RTS tech demo. A sword fighting tech demo and a arhcery tech demo. If you show me a FPS working on Natal... I'll change my opinion but I have yet to see one. Also we are 'hating' on it, like you hate on the wand except we are far more justified because Microsoft are so arrogant about it. Even claiming 'Gaiming will now be entertainment' Forgive me but gaming has been entertaining long before Microsoft began to sell every last chunck o f gaming slowly back to us.
was the presentation of the dodgeball game at E3. yet im pretty sure people were duped because of the sound effects of dodgeball. dodgeball is a game we all played as kids. we love it. if you crank up the volume of dodgeball sound effects at a club people would love it. it really is that simple. natal is supposed to keep xbox360 relevant. the media were all over it and the fans followed but the people asking questions? well, they were labeled fanboy.
this is not your congressmen hiding a slush fund that pays for his mistresses. Its a toy. not some secret conspiracy to uncover. its a camera that lets you act goofy with your friends while you play games. its another point of input that could make for some interesting gameplay mechanics. thats it. no mystery.
Yet also its an industry game-changer. The new revolution. Just ask Peter Molyneux.
start off by saying your product sucks and will bring nothing new or interesting to your life. might as well get mad at shampoo
If I'm not mistaken Kojima san was excited for it as well.
Still, you're not allowed to question a product's validity? Especially when you see deviance that its not living up to all its claims? Shortly after its been introduced, and then again when a major change to it was made? In the end we are just talking about a product, so why is it better to blindly accept what the seller is saying?
you've made your point i'm bored
if you like jumping around like an idiot.
...the PS wand is great if you like holding a phallic object.
The ones who consider it "phallic" are the ones who are truly perverse & immature in nature.
look i dont know why people where getting so hype for this. MS is smoke are mirrors. the thing didnt work right before and is always in a controlled demo. this will be alright for mini games but i already have wii
bots will look like even more id!0t doing natal. fact.
ouch 360 owners that sucks. Im glad i join the dark side a long time ago
Rowsdower you fail to understand that people are dissapointed because they wanted hardcore games with impressive visuals on 360. They wanted it to be what the wii coudnt be. Now it seems it wont be what was promised.
i'm sorry, I try to be optimistic about this thing but i just can't. I can't feel excited about "air driving" in a video game. I'd much rather use a driving peripheral to feel the wheel, gas the pedal, shift the stick. I don't want to use a "make-believe" gun for FPS shooters. I'd much rather use an NES Zapper Before I pretend to have a gun in my hands. I like using my down,corner,right, punch buttons to do a hadoken. Can you imagine having to jump up and down to make your character do the same. The lady who lives below me in my apartment will be pissed! The bottom line is that Microsoft is trying to act like, "oh we can easily do hardcore games controlled with Natal." Yes you can MS. But what will the replay value be? What are you limitations? I can guarantee any hardcore gamer will go right back to using an old fashioned remote after they find out that you have to move your character by either pointing or twiddling your fingers upside down. I honestly believe that not implementing some form of physical controller with natal will be a huge mistake. Once MS realizes this, they can easily add one on. But then who would want to buy yet ANOTHER add on for an add on? Edit: i'm willing to try it because i do appreciate being surprised if it does satisfy its use, but I highly doubt that it will
I love how people are ignoring the fact that the head of a development house has complained... Not just people who don't know anything about the hardware.... seriously... for a developer to say the types of games that can use it are limited... well you SHOULD be worried.
You posted: ""I love how people are ignoring the fact that the head of a development house has complained... Not just people who don't know anything about the hardware.... seriously... for a developer to say the types of games that can use it are limited... well you SHOULD be worried. "" I love how you are ignoring how MANY developers are concerned about the PS3 waggle being way limited. I love how you are ignoring how EA and Take two are putting MOST of their efforts behind the xbox360's NATAL instead of the PS3's waggle! They seem be to MUCH more concerned with the PS3's waggle ablilities, and they are putting their money where the mouth is, and THESE ARE NOT 2nd party developers but truely independant 3rd party HUGH developers. A 2nd party developer, is a 2nd class lapdog to the console holder, instead of a 1st class lapdog, which is a first party developer.
The 8 Steps of Standard Microsoft policy: 1. Take an established successful idea and claim it as your own. 2. Debut said idea as NEW an AMAZING product that will change EVERYTHING. 3. Advertise what it is SUPPOSED to do on a big stage set to classic rock music. (Rolling stones or Beatles) 4. Find any way to make it cheap and fast to manufacture cutting every corner possible. 5. Throw money at developers who have no experience in said technology to make software. 6. Push back launch date several months when development stalls. 7. Backtrack on advertised product capabilities shortly before launch. 8. When product fails to meet expectations, rebrand product with an "X" in the title and charge more money.
You forgot 6A - release product with fundamental design flaw and fix it later if you can't delay it
Natal = clap your hands for RROD
The simple fact is... the current version of Natal won't work well with major AAA titles. Do you want a ton of wii style mini games? Great! but why not buy a wii with no controller delay issues? Who is left that needs a Natal then?
"AAA" is a subjective term. If a B class title is hyped and advertised enough, embraced in the public mind as being AAA, it becomes AAA. Haze says as much. And the way Natal is being promoted, games on it are going to be regarded as being one grade higher than they are.
Agreed for sure. Not hardcore at all