FIFA producer Tim Tschirner has said that he believes the Nintendo Wii matches up to the first Xbox in terms of power. Click the link.
quit your bellyaching it's not hurting you physically is it?
lol yeah, I was thinking that too. If its as powerful as a last gen console its not really next gen IMO.
hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahah ahaahahahaha heheheheheheheehehee?? FIFA producer???? Bloody footballers, what the hell do they know?? Dumb Bastards.
Quote from article: "The video hardware unfortunately is not as powerful. There's just a couple of key things that you can do on Xbox like shaders which you just cannot do on the Wii... Overall though it's pretty much what the original Xbox was." This means the Wii is a modified Gamecube. No shaders on Wii. No game on Wii can match Halo 1.
well i think the wii is the only next gen console because it brought a new concept the motion sensor controles and you can say ps3 has it too but the ps3 version cant compare to the wii's excution of it, and the wii was never ment to be a power house nintendo said that from day 1 they wernt out to compete for the best graphics, but the wii is smashing the competors.
Woudl you stop using my gamertag you idiot!?
That's probably true if not more powerful, its a shame that Nintendo keep releasing games that don't even try to push the graphics to the limit. It's kinda obvious Nintendo's goals weren't to make the most powerful system, just to concentrate on gameplay and penetrating the market.
I don't know .. did he mean Wii is as good or as bad as Xbox 1 ?
I can believe it's as powerful as the Xbox but I don't think Nintendo cares or the people who buy it. I think buyers are looking for fun through game play with "good enough" graphics. If this is a guys console (or gal) that is looking to play the Halo's and Metal Gear type games then you're parents did you wrong and you need to go have a talk with them. This system is made for friends and parties.
unlike most on here, my parents don't buy me sh*t i pay for my toys. have since i could work some 11yrs ago. even before that, i'ld work for systems and games but i'll agree with u. it's a fun party system and will show it's potential and more fun with time
Cuco33, you're a 70's baby just like me and my parents haven't bought me anything in a long time so my 360 and PS3 came out of my pocket so I feel your pain. I don't know how much potential the Wii has but it will have a lot of competition during this Christmas so I hope the Wii is ready for war.
From what I've seen so far, the Xbox 1 is more powerful than the Wii, and the Xbox played games in 720p.
Then check Scarface out. Even the developer said the visuals on the Wii are better then the Xbox's..
Wait until you see Metroid. I've seen it live and I'm pretty sure the Xbox couldn't have handled it.
didn't we already know this?
......and in chimes the voice of reason! This is seriously old news.
yes we did.... But it is posted so all the xbox and ps fans can flame the Wii ... Even though the Wii is kicking their ass all over the place. Since i have all 3 in my house when we get to drinking with friends over we are always playing WiiSports... Because it is easy to pick up and alot of fun for 4 people and it is fun as hell to play when drunk. It is new-gen (next gen is the Xbox Next and PS4.... can you all get that into your heads already that all the consoles are released and hence are new-gen or current gen????) because it is an improvement on their last console. There isn't an industry standard that says ... "You must be this tall to be current console gen" Get over yourselves already and play the freaking games. What you like is what you like. Maybe you might like all 3.. only 2... maybe you will never try the other 2... Stop acting like a bunch of 2 year olds and trying to justify yourself to people on a website full of people you will most likely never meet. You never know you might be a "Xbot" and find out you like alot of other stuff some of the hated "PS3 idiots" likes. But we chose to war over the BS of console gaming.
lucidmantra i couldnt agree more. I am all about owning all 3 myself and i also do pc gaming. Each one has a few games i want to play and then a bunch of trash i dont want to play. I guess i am more into games than systems.
Lucidmantra thanks for saying it in a nice way. Unlike my rants ><
Bubble-up Lucidmantra, well-said.
in this day and age. This is sad. This is another reason why the Wii will have no shelf space in my home.
I really don't get this at all. Why is it such a gawd awful thing for a console to have decent graphics compaired to eye popping graphics? It isn't! Just say you don't like Nintendo quit trying to blame the Wii over your unkown reasoning you hate a company that wants to bring games to people.
Anyone that doesn't like the Wii will talk about it's graphics...then say it has no online support and then say no HD support. They can't figure out why the Wii is selling..so they do whatever they can to knock it.
Nothing about the Wii is next generation in terms of console power and the ability to provide a ground breaking immersive gameplay experience. But it's fun, and it's a blast at parties and that makes it a winner. I would just never play the Wii by myself.
They say wii is about gameplay but I'm sorry my friend has one a i played it many times and it is NO WAY something i would pick up to play for fun maybe if i had 3 other people its just not interesting and the motion sensing is not all that accurate. The graphics are not whats horrible about the console its about the ridiculously kiddie games there are for it. Im tellin you SO MANY people have rushed to buy this system and awhile after they have there going to realize it wasnt all that and forget about it.
i finally made a good story @ps360wii ya lol funny
hey we almost got the same name ^^
That's a mixed blessing. Being as powerful as the Xbox isn't a bad thing...it was capable of pushing some serious pixels...but when stacked up against the power of the 360 and the PS3, it comes up short. It's a new-gen system with last-gen technology. And people don't seem to care. Nintendo hit the gaming sweet spot for price and mass appeal, and though some think that its dated technology is laughable, it's Nintendo that's laughing...all the way to the bank. (My 10,000th NFG point)
Here is the thing with the wii; if you are having a party (a non sausage party) and you bring up video games the room will quickly become divided and you run the risk of alienating people thus killing the party. In many ways video games are a party taboo. If you bring up the wii everyone is down to play. 90% of girls (you know those things that most of you just look at on the net) want nothing to do with the ps3 or 360 but you bring up the wii and all of a sudden they show interest. Personally i think playing games with chicks is a worth while compromise for so so graphics, most of the time when I play it I am too drunk to care about the graphics anyway. Once upon a time all games had bad graphics and it didn’t stop them from being fun. Plus it will have Metroid Prime 3.
exactly... some people will never see the forest through the trees though ... things must have cutting edge graphicsw for them to care. That is why we still stomache games that control like garbage but have nice graphics. the motion sensing for the the Wii is really pretty accurate (for the above poster) always when i get the Wii going about 10 mins after someone plays it for the first time they want to play MORE.. then 10 mins after that a massive good natured junk-talking session breaks out... and it makes the party that much funner. Sorry for all of you out there who can't get past the graphics and the fact it doesn't need 8 SPEs to be spanking your console like a child who got into the cookies in your home market.
The Wii and DS are the only consoles my girl will play. As soon as I hop on my PC or Xbox for gaming, she calls me a nerd haha. It seems to be all about the intuitive controls and the type of games. She likes the brain-development games, minigames, and some Mario games (she doesn't like Paper Mario but likes New Super Mario Bros for the DS). She would never be interested in an FPS or racing sim which I guess is why I get called out when I play FPSs on my PC lol. Most ppl on this site will not understand the Wii's appeal which is very unfortunate. Makes me wonder though, with the Wii being a very "social" gaming machine, how many of the ppl that diss it also spend 99% of their gaming time locked up in their room by themselves?
if Wii is the same as Xbox then.... i was thinking of something: Xbox used Direct x for texturing and stuff which sucked up the memory, Wii is using ram more efficient so wouldn't that make the Wii better? as in its more capable of doing the work better? and yes Xbox 1 had 720p for some games, but @ 480P you will have more calculation power from the GPU..so..... >_> ya get my point but infact i dun care! i want my Nintendo franchise..otherwise i didn't had one in the first place.
We all know the Wii is nothing more then a supercharged Gamecube... One time again the hardwarespecs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Gamecube  Central processing unit 485 MHz IBM "Gekko" PowerPC CPU. 180 nm Graphics processing unit and system chipset 162 MHz "Flipper" LSI. 180 nm 43 MiB total non-unified RAM Wii Processors: CPU: PowerPC based "Broadway" processor, made with a 90 nm SOI CMOS process, reportedly† clocked at 729 MHz GPU: ATI "Hollywood" GPU made with a 90 nm CMOS process, reportedly† clocked at 243 MHz Memory: 88 MiB main memory (24 MiB "internal" 1T-SRAM integrated into graphics package, 64 MiB "external" GDDR3 SDRAM) 3 MiB embedded GPU texture memory and framebuffer. The CPU and GPU are just smaller, thus using less power (that's why the Wii is so minimum on power consumption), they just overclocked it a bit, as well as the CPU as the GPU. Ram is about double. That's what the Wii is. A gamecube on steroïds. The only selling point is the fun controller
Prime example of what i stated above. Mart dude, you know I have taken up for you before in convos with people around here bro. BUT being the king of the mountain only extends to the limits of your house. I understand how you feel, i used to feel that way myself. I appreciate your dedication to what you feel is right BUT. 1) this has been stated before, and I am sure you flamed on it. 2) I won't change you I am sure. You post a good number of hard evidense around here. But you don't have to bring a tanker truck of gas to a bonfire and add to the situations. JUST come out and say.. Wii sucks in my opinion. Then remember what i said as you are happy on your mountain, be happy there and point out the glaring falicies posted around here. Being #1-#5 on the posting list doesn't get you a cookie, even if it does then what? I do appreciate you being here but sometimes man you rub even me wrong because you are so focused with tunnelvision that you can't see dude there are other people out there and they don't care if these console is slower and has crappier graphics... THEY LIKE WHAT THEY LIKE.
The only selling point is the fun controller? Damn, I was hoping to get some fun Nintendo-developed games that won't be released on the other consoles...
Nice comparison. Saw my bro playing POC:At world's end and the game looked like an old ps2 game. The gfx were pathetic on his 46" HDTV. Maybe on 14" tv it would be ok. But i dint like it at all. The blazing angles also looked like crap. The only fun i had was playing those wii sport games which reminded me of playing pong with a someone, the gfx are bland and basic but the gameplay is fun. But for people living alone or who dont have anyone else to play wii with then its nothing more than a gimick which will provide few days of enjoyment and thats it.
I see your point sak500... but once again not EVERYTHING is Graphics. I would never expect to buy a Wii version of something and have it be the most graphically stunning version of a multiplatform title new new-gen consoles.
I think the majority of gamers needs to wake up and grow up, they sit and worry about games which there are much more important things to worry about, and not to mention through all of this bickering and bullshit gamers as a whole are getting a bad reputation as being immature morons, which from what I see is sadly true, I hope we can all agree that games are the main event, I'd rather see people making a big deal about games and gameplay. Woohoo for all three consoles!!
It has a faster proc than the Xbox and it has more ram. Plus the bus runs more efficiently due to all around faster ram and embedded ram. In theory it should be able to pump out better graphics than the original Xbox. The 2nd generation of 1rst party titles will show this in my opinion.
the Duct tape. LOL! :)
Look at the types of games that Nintendo makes. Do you think they require a Cell Processor? Do you think they require the bells and whistles of a PS3 or 360. I don't know if I want to play as a realistic plumber. I think a realistic Pokemon would just scare kids off. They've built a system that is catered to first party needs. This is why they will fail long term. Once the hysteria is over ... people will come down to earth over this "high"
2 years from now you will be thanking me for saying what I just said. Hopefully you'll have listened and invested in either or both the PS3 and 360. A controller alone should not push this industry forward. It has to be the total package.
So basically what you've just said is, graphics = "total package". Interesting.
When you progress with hardware it must not take tomorrow into consideration. It must take the day after tomorrow. The word future-proof has been tossed around quite a bit. We won't really understand it for a couple more years. GFX is just one of the factors of a successfull console. Connectivity, programability, playability, and ingenuity are some of the others. Where the Wii has succeeded in ingenuity, it has also failed in ingenuity. Do you really think the Wii is worth 250? What steps have Nintendo taken to keep the Wii fresh 3 years from now. Nothing, why? They should have thought of this when designing the machine. Being comparable to the Xbox is nothing to be proud of. No offense.
'A controller alone should not push this industry forward' How could they have done this idea with an expensive system? it would have been way too much of a gamble to release a machine as powerful as the 360 and PS3 with a new way to control as standard. If it had bombed the losses would be massive.
in other words the wii has an awesome controller, and sales has nothing to do with how powerful a system is.
I don't think people are arguing that the controller is making it popular as much as the fact that it is the cheapest and has all the Nintendo games, which some people simply prefer. I don't think much of the Wii, but I acknowledge the pretty wide audience it appeals too, since I'm sure some people have no need for a 360 or PS3.
you bring up a good point, and perhaps in our gaming community we can be reminded that nintendo is actually creating gamers out of non-gamers... again... as it did with the nes!
so, it doesn`t matter how powerful system is, twice as much as gamecube or the same. you won`t see amazing graphic technology on it, but because of good ART, you still will see a NICE looking graphics in game. =) p.s. any bubble? thnx. =]]
Specs mean nothing to us. it means something to people who work with it. Those numbers might be lower, its still depending how the whole hardware works toghetter, how developers make us of it etc etc. its stupid to think Wii cant do more then the Xbox1. comparing specs in a discussion like this is uncalled for simply because we aint developers and know *hit about both hardwares.
wii really sucks, it doesnt compare to the ps3...why is the people buying it?
because not all want a PS3. and its being compared to the xbox1, so stop using drugs....you really have lost it.
cheap, fun for some time. =) people were buying yo-yo, tamagochi, and other stuff like that. Impulsive purchase. Wii is less console, and more FUN product. Why people buying balls, twister games and etc.? for fun.
Thats a lie. Wii is not as powerfull as original Xbox. Why? Because original Xbox had 720p and some of consoles nicest game ran in 60 frames per second in 720p.
You can already tell by some games now coming out for the wii that the very feature that Nintendo is betting it all on, the motion sensing nunchuk controller, the lack of diverse gameplay with this controller will in fact slow sales of third party titles as only first party titles IMO will use the wiimote at or near its full potential. And when more and more third party games start to use the snes controller style of gameplay instead of spending time finding more ways to use the nunchuk features, paying $50 to play what is essentially a gamecube title, even the same way you would've played a gamecube title controller wise, then this will hamper third party sales, and thus dry up third party support of the wii. And then it will be all on Nintendo's first party's shoulders to produce games that will keep people interested in buying a wii. But even though the wii enjoyed a diverse array of launch titles, the game releases have already slowed, and with games as basic as the ones that are released on the wii, development times are greatly reduced, so really you would expect to see alot of games, but the even bigger problem is now that zelda has released, and metroid and mario soon to follow, what do you have left to look for once these heavy hitters have all come and gone. Anybody that has owned a nintendo system knows that mario, zelda, and metroid games have years between sequels, and if third party support goes, then you have the same problem the gamecube as well as the N64 had. And if this scenario plays out, after this year, the wii will be dead in the water. Nintendo 8-bit (my all time favorite system) was the only system by Nintendo to release several ACTUAL Mario games on the same console as well as many spinoffs, as well as multiple zeldas and metroids. So if the Wii can't produce multiple sequels in its console life, then with no third party support or rather improper execution of gameplay functionality with the wiimote thus failing sales leading to less third party support, then I don't see the wii making it past this NOVELTY phase.
: Wii is less console, and more FUN product. : What? XD haha @Mk_red Doesnt mean the wii cant do it. they just kept it on 480P. every GPU can render high resolution these days but why should you if you dont have to, and keeping it on 480P makes the GPU calculate less and more calculation power will be free for other things that need to be calculated by the GPU. Nintendo is not focused on 720P and such. So saying its weaker because it wont SUPPORT 720P is narrow-minded. ( you are saying it cant handle 720P.......supporting and handle are 2 different things.)
What is the big deal? Why is it so hard to wrap your FPS-ridden minds around this? Maybe you ‘tards can help me understand. You want three systems to be going for the exact same result? We all know that the PS3 and 360 are pretty much doing the same thing. They’re doing the whole photo realistic graphics thing, and really have games with similar themes, for the most part. I’ll be the first to admit, I see pics of a PS3 game (or 360) and think “wow, that’s realistic.” Why is it so unacceptable that another company wants to do something different? We all know most of the world doesn’t seem to care. Next-gen is a marketing word, it means nothing, it’s like “new and improved”. You guys get on here and regurgitate terms created by some guy in sales like you’re making a point. What are you guys, fundamentalist Christians? Is there only one way to do things, must it always be the way it’s been done before? Is it possible to open up the mind a bit? Nintendo games are fun, regardless of super crazy graphics. Many of the non-nintendo games are fun, too. It seems to me like a true lover of video games would understand that. To discount a system solely on its technological specs is elitist and snobbish. You don’t hate on old school games, do you? Does it always have to be top notch, brand new to be worth any attention? If you wanna knock wii, use a real reason, not because it isn’t a supercomputer, you fuking graphics snobs. And don’t even with the “not worth $250” thing. It’s a great deal. I actually spent it. I would never in my right mind drop $600 on a console. Again, that’s a lame argument. There’s millions of thing for sale that are much more than the actual cost of production, it’s called profit, And I’m pretty sure that Sony and MS are after that as well. All I hear is "gamecube 1.5, fad, gonna lose steam" make a decent point, for chrissakes. @ sajj316 – I’m pretty sure Nintendo has plans up their sleeves for the future. Maybe you could lend the knowledge you have in creating your video game empire, jackazz?
I'll be happy to enlighten you about this industry. considering you just signed up to N4G ... calling me a jackazz isn't the best way to start. Do that again and I will wii on your face.
the reason i wouldn't get it is that if the games are going to be the same as Gamecube, PS2 and Xbox then why buy it? I can probably buy all 3 of those systems for the price of a Wii. It's like if a new VCR came out, do you ditch DVD? So what is the point in buying it? I already played all those types of games on my last system
Maybe similar graphics, not the same gameplay, plus, fresh ideas and different control, you couldn't possibly get that on a last gen console. I hate this cut and dry crap!
Dude, is it all graphics with you? Just because the specs are similar, it has nothing to do with the games. Do you think before you speak?
No it's not just graphics, there's physics, AI etc etc that make a game. But the point is Wii doesn't have enough power to do that either, if the wii isn't about games what is it about?
Care to give specific examples of AI and physics which the PS3/360 can do but that the Wii cannot? I'll assume for now that you only say things which you have solid evidence to support, so please share with us.
AI is yet to be displayed, but games like Assassins Creed should show off some pretty good AI. Physics see Motorstorm
You still fail to provide proof that the Wii cannot achieve the level of AI that "should" be present in Assassin's Creed or that the physics calculations in Motorstorm are too advanced for the Wii. Simply naming games isn't proof. You may be correct, but I'm basically trying to help you differentiate fact from hype.
I think people should mock Reggie or Iwata's voice with "250 US DOLLARS!!" Instead of Kaz Hirai's voice with "$599 U.S. Dollars". Seriously, 250 for a gamecube. LOL, I paid less than that when they were making a loss on it!! For $250, they could have: a) Not lost any money, but not won any money. That way they could have pumped it up a little more with RAM, a better GPU, CPU, faster clock speeds, and a cooling system. OR b) Lost some money, and get even more demand from hardcore gamers. That way, they could have added half the RAM of Xbox 360, half the processor of 360 and half the GPU of PS3, a great cooling system and 10 gigs of storage space or so. For the small ass virtual console games, it's enough. That way they could add even gamecube, saturn and dreamcast games, and have the option to add more storage space. Same price, same concept, same demand from casuals, no need to emphasize on graphics, but still bringing in the hardcore. That way their games might look or feel half decent for next-gen. Who could blame them though. If they can barely produce a gamecube, imagine the time it would take them to produce a machine which is half or a third as powerful as one of the next-gen consoles; and they wouldn't even be making a profit. Let's see if they can manage to get their attach rate way up with so many casuals and non-gamers buying into the momentary fad.
Nintendo wants 'hardcore gamers'. You guys bitsch about everything and sign petitions about videogames. They made fun of you in Super Paper Mario for a reason. Hardcores have been bitsching about Nintendo for years.