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PC -is- the new Next-Gen

Hooked Gamers writes: "What did the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 really do to bring us Next-Gen games? All things considered, not that much. With the technology behind the two machines rapidly aging and no new consoles in sight, it stands to reason that real Next-Gen gaming in the next few years will be done on the PC."

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Feral Gamer2907d ago (Edited 2907d ago )

I guess if you consider PCs having upgrades every couple of years, those incremental upgrades are "next gen" (i.e. new video card). But because there are new generations of video cards coming out every year or two, you could also say that PCs are quickly obsolete. Show me a 4 year old video card running the newest games on something other than minimum detail settings.

Cosquae2907d ago

nVidia 7950 GTX2? I think the 8800 GTX is only a few months older than that.

Can run most games around the mid-high level depending on resolution, excluding anything on the CryEngine.

New cards come out every few months but each 'generation' is really defined by the games that push gamers to get a new video card. Half life, Doom 3, Oblivion, Crysis. All games that pushed the graphical envelope at the time. Until a new game comes out that exceedes those standards graphically then there's no need to get a new card, just because it's old doesn't mean it's obsolete.

Kurylo3d2907d ago

actually 8800gtx can run crysis on everything very high except motion blur... and maybe put postprocessing down to high and water effects on high instead of very high... run it with no aa and maybe 1600 resolution... and the game gets 30 fps and still looks awesome

champ212907d ago

8800gtx is 3years old.. and it out does consoles in about every game.

it was out when the ps3 released.

only difference is its cheaper to play on that gpu. plus it can do resolutions ps3 can only dream of.

PotNoodle2907d ago (Edited 2907d ago )

Like said above, the 8800GTX is quite an old card now and easily outperforms the consoles.

You lot need to get off this whole thing about PC's _NEEDING_ upgrades every year or so, because they don't. They really don't. Just because there are always new cards coming out, doesn't mean you have to upgrade to them or that older cards become obsolete.

As for the article, its true, the consoles are cool for the first two or three years.. then the PC's pull ahead with MORE than just higher resoultion and better framerates, but with more graphical effects than the consoles could ever dream of supporting, we're starting to see that with DX11.

I love my consoles too, but i'm not going to kid myself pretending that the PCs don't have a big lead in terms of graphics, performance, control and online.

Charmers2907d ago

I never understood this argument, what kind of idiot would put good money down on four year old out dated tech ............... oh wait a minute people that buy consoles do that.

As has already been shown an 8800gtx would still smoke what the consoles do today. The thing is PC gamers are not restricted to buying 4 year old technology. You won't see many PC gamers being stupid enough to buy 4 year old technology with their money these days.

Microsoft Xbox 3602907d ago (Edited 2907d ago )

I see the PC fanboys are in full effect today. Too bad their high spec PC's never saw an exclusive GOTY game in years. The future still looks dry for the PC.

cervantes992907d ago

PS3 gave me Uncharted 1 & 2, MGS4, and LBP to name a few. NO video card can run those games, because you can't play them on PC.

360 gave me Mass Effect BEFORE PC version was released.

So what have PS360 given me? Only some of the best gaming in years that is all.

Ever since Diablo 2, the PC has been dead to me. Diablo 3 on the other hand ...

evrfighter2907d ago

The PS3 and 360 brought DLC along this gen

like a bad case of herpes. That's pretty much it.

If you wanted to play mgs4 you could pretty much youtube it. If you wanted to play UC2 you have tomb raider...or just watch Indiana Jones.

Charmers2907d ago

"360 gave me Mass Effect BEFORE PC version was released."

Naturally the PC version of Mass Effect is the definitive version. I can max Mass Effect out on my pc at 1680 x 1050 and run it at a silky smooth 60fps. I would much rather wait a bit longer and enjoy the games how they are meant to be played than run a game at a pathetic res of 1280 x 720 and barely 30fps.

Now we have Mass Effect 2 coming to the PC at the same time and I will get to play the game at the same time as you but have massively better graphics/control. I will of course be enjoying the game at a blissful 1680 x 1050 @ 60fps whereas you will be stuck with it at 1280 x 720 sub 30fps and to boot it will cost me nearly $20 less than you.

cervantes992907d ago (Edited 2907d ago )

Why is every retailer reducing PC game space and inventory while console space is increased year after year.

What were the sales numbers for PC version of MW2 compared to console? I hate playing sales, but in this case it just shows that hardcore PC Gamers are a dying breed.

The writing is on the wall, PC gaming has died and transformed into the MMO or the latest Barbie Adventure - at least that is what PC sales numbers indicate.

t8502907d ago

20usd cheaper for a superior version lol

sucks to be paying a premium for a inferior version.

cervantes992907d ago (Edited 2907d ago )

I cannot dispute your comment about Mass Effect 2. PC will definitely have the best version, BUT great PC games are very few and far between.

Sure the PC tech is better, but it's not like Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 look bad on a 52" 1080P TV and 7.1 surround :)

mal_tez922907d ago

I have a 5770, 2.8 GHz dual core and 4GB of RAM, So my PC looks better than the playstation.

But overall I thing my PS3 was better value

Charmers2907d ago (Edited 2907d ago )

The reason why retailers are no longer devoting space to PC games on the shelves is pretty self evident. The PC is a progressive ever changing platform and PC gamers are making the switch to Direct Download which started nearly 7 years ago. Eventually consoles will go this route (despite people going I want my disc).

I have been a PC gamer for nigh on 20 years, the last time I set foot in a game store was probably about 6-7 years ago. I purchase all my games via steam or on the odd occasion I will buy a game on disc from an internet store. The lack of space retailers give to PC gaming is not evidence the PC is dying, it is evidence retail game shops are dying.

As for you going "it's not like Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 look bad on a 52" 1080P TV and 7.1 surround" Just imagine what they COULD have looked like if it they hadn't been limited to 1280 x 720 on a console with less than 512mbs of RAM. The PC version of Mass Effect looks, feels and plays a hell of a lot better than the console version. So it is reasonable to say that UC2 and Killzone 2 would look, feel and play a hell of a lot better than the console version.

If the PC is "dying" and relegated to Barbie games how come there are millions chomping at the bit to play Diablo 3 or starcraft 2 ? Just because you want PC gaming doesn't mean it is ever going to happen. I would be a little bit more concerned about your console if I was you. Sony and Microsoft are not going to keep pouring billions into keeping their consoles afloat forever you know.

cervantes992907d ago

This is a good spirited debate without mud slinging ... good show.

Let me make it perfectly clear - I do not want PC gaming dead - far from it. Count me as one of those millions and millions waiting for Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2. These are the games that WILL get me back into PC gaming.

I should have said PC Gaming has turned into the Blizzard show. That is not a bad thing, but does limit genre choice.

Direct download is the future and I welcome it, but as others have said below us, it just adds to the complexity of playing a PC game. Not for you or me, but for my Dad or any other casual, non-technical user.

Have a bubble. You have been one of the more intelligent posters I have dealt with in a while on this site and I respect your opinion.

evrfighter2907d ago

"I should have said PC Gaming has turned into the Blizzard show"

Actually pc gaming is no longer retail powered. It's steam powered

visit steams homepage right if you wanna see what I'm talking about. The holiday sales have probably been the best deals in video games in the history of gaming.

Charmers2907d ago

Ah no worries cervantes99 I would be a fool to say things are "rosy" with the PC at the moment. There are issues that need to be addressed with the PC platform.

The main problem with the PC platform is the fact there is no backer. Do you want to know why the xbox 360 has exclusives that the PC doesn't get ? It's because MS forks out the money for them and keeps the PC out of the loop. The same with Sony they use their own funds to make titles exclusive to their console. The PC does not have a big money backer it has to rely on itself and it's fan base to convince publishers to make games for the platform.

If you look at the multiplats that neither MS or Sony have a say in then you will see the PC is getting pretty much the same stuff as the consoles. The only issue is titles backed by Sony and MS.

A classic example of what I mean is Crysis, that was a PC only title and it did pretty well sales wise at the last check it had gone well past 2 million copies. Now Crysis 2 is multiplatform the reason because there is nothing stopping Crytek going multiplatform. Let's say Crysis had been a PS3 only title and sold 2 million you can bet your life Sony would have been in there and locked it down as a Playstation only exclusive.

That is why PC's don't have "exclusives" any more there is nothing to stop developers from going multiplatform. I don't doubt for a minute that Starcraft and Diablo may appear in some form on the consoles sooner or later because there is nothing to stop Blizzard from doing it. In short the PC's open nature of no one having control is it's strongest but also it's weakest point.

However it is certainly true that when a game comes out for all three platforms the PC version is nearly always superior through brute power if because of nothing else. I personally don't game on a console because there is nothing of interest to me on the console. Any titles that do interest me such as Fallout 3 and Mass Effect 2 are always on the PC anyway and usually have the better version (already have my copy of Mass Effect 2 pre-ordered via EA stores downloader).

Persistantthug2907d ago (Edited 2907d ago )

but it is in a serious decline.

It's to the point that developers are starting to abandon PC development as the BEST OF THE BEST games seem to belong to consoles.

I mean, when was the last pure (as in only) PC game an AIAS Game Of The Year award winner? Answer....Half Life 2 (2004)

Since then it's been GOD OF WAR (PS2 2005), Gears Of War (XBOX 360) Call Of Duty 4 (multiplatform 2007) and Little Big Planet (PS3 2008).

Guess what the next AIAS GAME OF THE YEAR is set to be? UNCHARTED 2 (PS3 2009)

Like I said, PC is not dead, but it is only a shadow of what it used to be in days of old.
True story.

FarEastOrient2906d ago

I'm a victim of the PC upgrade cycles myself, I upgrade around the Total War series when it comes to high-end gaming. Which is every 2-3 years I will have to spend at least $2000 on CPUs, RAM, and Boards just to play that game in the extreme settings. It doesn't help I'm a graphic designer too so I eat polygons like cereal in the morning...

In my opinion I don't see PC outpacing gaming consoles until they hit $300-400 mark when it comes to intense gaming. There are several gaming projects being made for the PC but they concentrate more on the mid to lower level graphic settings so that more people can enjoy them. Example there are more Flash Games/Browser Games, Ed, Experimental, and Free to Play MMORPGs than there are EVE, World of Warcraft, Everquest, etc.

SilentNegotiator2906d ago

"The visual splendor was seen as proof that the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 were beastly machines and that they would in time be able to live up to the rest of our expectations; better artificial intelligence, more dynamic and fully destructible environments and new ways of interacting with the game world and its characters.

But they didn't"

I stop reading here. Because they DID.
Such an article could have been fine, but this has obviously been written by a bitter PC Gamer.

"It is worth noting that truly Next-Gen technologies -are- possible on consoles, they are just not being implemented"
And they aren't often implemented on PC games, either.

zeeshan2906d ago

Give me a PC priced $199 or $299 and that should also be able to play games like Crysis and I'd call that next-gen right away :)

Arnon2906d ago

Lol PCs are a good generation ahead of all consoles. It's the reason why Digital Download is already so popular for PC, and not for consoles. It's the reason why games like Crysis (released in 2007) exist and still top any game to date.

It's the reason why the saying "Next-Gen Ready means PC Now." exists. Sorry, but consoles are JUST getting stuff PCs have had for a good 5-10 years.

By the way...

-2560x1600 Resolution
-16x Anti-Aliasing
-16+ GB DDR3 (+ 2+ GB GDDR5) RAM
-Unlimited Framerate
-4 GPUs
-Dedicated player servers
-Mods
-Development Tools
-Free DLC
-Cheaper Games
-Superior Graphical Games
-Biggest Gaming Community in the World.
-Digital Downloads

Not only that, but PC gaming makes more yearly revenue than any console out at this moment.

http://news.bigdownload.com...

I'm always hearing "OH MY GAWD!! LUK AT THESE AMAZIN GRAFIX THAT CONSULS MAKE!". How are people just now discovering HD?

badz1492906d ago

PC is always more advanced from consoles because of its open platform nature, no question about that! the title is saying the PC is the real next gen, ok no sh1t sherlock!

but looking at your comment

"-2560x1600 Resolution
-16x Anti-Aliasing
-16+ GB DDR3 (+ 2+ GB GDDR5) RAM
-Unlimited Framerate
-4 GPUs"

how much does THAT cost again? can I get it for $299? and how many people in this world are having this setup? 50-60 million people?

come on now. individually, yes you can have the best setup in the world but what are the most played games on PC? WoW, Sims3, Starcraft, CS etc which are running superb on 3 to 4 year old mid end PCs! it's fact that there are less and less high budget games released for PC and to back the fact, benchmark for Pc games performance is Crysis - a game released in 2007! the thing is, no matter how powerful the PC platform is, best games are moving on to the consoles! sticking with the PC will not give you the chance of playing GoTY for these last 2 years you know!

Arnon2906d ago (Edited 2906d ago )

I've been playing all the new games from 2008-2009 (as well as Crysis) at Max settings on my PC that has cost me a grand total of a launch PS3. I have about 43 games on Steam now, and they consist of old and new games. Oh by the way, my PC has 8 GB of RAM, a 640 GB HDD, and many other things that top a console quite easily, and once again... it was around the cost of a launch PS3.

The premise is not "Nobody can afford such features", it's the fact that you have the option to USE those features. When you pay $299.99 + Tax, you pay for a system that will play games basically on a Medium-low to Medium-high graphical output. Not to mention building a PC will save you a lot more money over time compared to purchasing a console. Also, all PC games are cheaper than their console counterparts, and do so much more.

PCs are power. Consoles are practical, but that still doesn't change the fact that PC gaming is still the most popular "console" to play, and you can easily spend a good $400-$500 for a PC that will outdo any console out there.

Also, the "best games" are not only subjective to the user, but the "best games" you're referring to, are exclusive simply because the company owns the developer. That has nothing to do with PC losing games. In fact, PC had more games released this year than the 360 and PS3 combined.

AAACE52906d ago (Edited 2906d ago )

I can buy a console for $200-$400. Almost every game will work with the controller that comes along with it. Over the next few years, the games will look better and add features. My console will ve valid for at least 5 years before I even consider getting any upgrades.

I can buy a PC for $300- $4,000. It can do alot more than a console. My mouse and keyboard will play most games, I may have to buy a controller for different games and I may have a hard time trying to configure it depending on how much I spend on it. Over the next few years, the games will look better and add features, but the only way I will be able to enjoy all this cool stuff is if I dump more money into upgrading my graphics card, sound card, add more RAM, etc. It can be pretty pricy, but at the end of the day, I can rest assured that I have a very powerful PC, at least until that new mammoth of a game like Crysis comes out and tells me that I need to upgrade again. And get mad when people try to tell me that there are better games on a console.

The way I see it, over a 5 year span...

Console - $400 ,online fees (if they apply) $250. Extra controller $50. = $700.

PC - $600 (average price people pay for PC's), Upgrades over 5 years to stay up to date 2-3 Graphic cards $200- $1500, 2-3 gigs of RAM $30- $100, 1-2 Sound cards and PC speakers or headphones $100-$400. You also gotta include the time spent installing games and updating and defragging and all that crap!

That's why I use my PC for internet and my console for gaming. I don't see the benefit in upgrading a PC. But that's just me! I don't want to offend you PC gamers too much. I learned my lesson a while ago. No matter what I say, you will still look at me like I made a bad decision!

OH yeah, Ps3 launched with a bluray drive providing more space to make better games.

When Xbox 360 launched, it was said to be more powerful than 95% of the PC's currently available at that time.

The two consoles found ways to bring entertainment to gamers in different ways and keep them connected and allow then different ways to meet and interact with each other.

itisa2906d ago

It always has been and it will likely remain so, even if powerful anti-piracy method comes to the rescue occasionally, but never for long.

And because of that,PC will always have less chance than [email protected] (include Wii if you like),to have an exclusive games(good quality games).Latest news on piracy:Crysis was forced to go multiplatform.

SaiyanFury2906d ago (Edited 2906d ago )

The common argument between console and PC gamers is the price. Yes, the HD consoles are cheaper and they do look good on an HDTV. But if you're willing to spend some money on a modern PC with a quad core proc and a modern video card coupled to decent RAM, PC games easily outperform the consoles because PC game developers aren't restricted to hardware specs. My Core 2 Quad, 4GB of RAM (upgrading in the near future), and GTX 285, are easily enough to play games like Crysis, The Saboteur, and Dragon Age in resolutions that surpass anything the consoles can do. Constant 60FPS in 1680x1050 with 4xAA and 16x anisotropic filtering. You simply can't get that level of performance with consoles. I can play Oblivion in the same resolution with pretty much all settings maxed and it's much cleaner than any console version. Playing it on PS3, it's much more messy in the graphics department when compared to it on my PC. That said, I still love the console versions because of the modern consoles interfacing with my home theatre. I'm not a PC elitist. I've been gaming on consoles far longer than PC, but a modern PC has it's advantages. Yes, it costs more money, but it's worth it in a lot of ways.

Is a PC the definitive next-gen platform? Who's to say? I enjoy games on it, but I also love my console games. Games perform better on open-ended hardware, but it's impressive what developers can do on closed-hardware.

inveni02906d ago

I run Crysis on Very High at above 20fps (which I'm confortable with). The only game I get sluggish on is Star Wars: Force Unleashed USE. My specs?

AMD X2 3800+
NVidia 8800GT 512MB
3.5GB Ram

So, yeah...it doesn't take much. What kills me on SW:FU is the processor. All that Euphoria and DMM relies on the processor. My processor is on the old 939 sockets. That's really, really old. Like 5 years old.

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The_Zeitgeist2907d ago

In all seriousness....This article is terrible.

"What did the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 really do to bring us Next-Gen games? All things considered, not that much."

Oh really?

Yeah I'm going to let the rest of you take this one. It's just too easy.

Cosquae2907d ago

The PS3/360 did everything faster, better, clearer than the previous generation but not necessarily anything 'new'.

Guess it depends what you want in 'Next-Gen' but this generation has so far just been an evolution, not a revolution in gaming. HD gaming has been done before (PC) as has digital downloading and many of the features that distinguish this console generation from the last.

I say 'so far' because I think Natal or the PS3 equivalent could be something 'new', even if it is just a new way of doing motion control like the Wii before it. Could also be interesting to see if the PCs or consoles are the first to bring 3D gaming to the mass market.

Kiriel2907d ago

Yep, so easy that you can't think up anything yourself. :P

Baka-akaB2907d ago (Edited 2907d ago )

@Cosquae

I think he means along the line of gameplay ....
In wich case pretty many things new this generation came from consoles gaming , be it home or portable ...

everyone knows that PC are always more powerful ... and when not if ever , one or two cards or processor later they catch up ...

Nathan Drake22907d ago

how about little big planet,heavy rain,the last guardian,where are revolutionary pc exclusives?

Cosquae2907d ago (Edited 2907d ago )

Spore, Sims, WoW, Civ series...

People have been playing Sims/WoW/Civ long before any of those games you mentioned and will probably be doing so long after.

Baka-akaB2907d ago

Wow is the only exclusive of the list .... and isnt in any way other than it's huge following revolutionnary . It merely is the same things mmo had to offer for eons , only polished by blizzard , and with the art design and theme of a blizzard game . Hence the huge popularity , hardly its innovations .

But i'll concede to you that MMO is a field than mostly innovate on pc rather than console .

tdrules2907d ago

most pc revolutionary exclusives are RELEASED with massive communities and an infrastructure LBP can only dream of.

I will be buying Heavy Rain and Last Guardian obviously, but you have to realise that PC has and always will be a source of evolution.

Christopher2907d ago

None of those you mentioned are new, though...

Sims 3 is Sims 2 with a little more and better graphics.

WoW is EQ/DAoC/UO all combined into one.

Civ is just like the last ones, with better graphics.

Spore is Sims w/aliens, and a very dumbed down version of one at that.

Honestly, progress is happening equally on all platforms
- N+
- LBP
- CoD/KZ2/Halo/MAG
- Scribblenauts
- GTA: Chinatown Wars
- Uncharted 2/Crysis 2

The funny thing is people trying to compare progress as if none is made on one system. Aren't we continually surprised by games each year on all platforms?

Baka-akaB2907d ago (Edited 2907d ago )

@tdrules

but wich revolutionnary exclusives again ?

PC got the bigger infrastructure and means , again that's undisputed . But as far as gameplay revolution , and innovation as implied by the article's title , it hardly is better than console .

more powerful ≠ revolution . Last time it really was , 2d was still ruling and more horse was needed for stuff like representing an actual open world , as opposed to flat surfaces . But that's pretty much most of it .
The next "industrial revolution" hasnt come yet , nor 4d .

Not even the least an attack on PC . it clearly got more power and it's advantage . But its hardly the leading and driving force ... only one of them

Pandam0bile2907d ago

Little Big Planet? Please. Ever hear of a thing called Garry's Mod?

mastiffchild2906d ago

Panda, not the same thing, not at all. My kids couldn't get their heads round Garry's Mod like they can LBP at all and you know it.

Seriously, there's pros and cons to both console and PC gaming and neither is inherently "better" than the other-it's horses for courses and exclusive taste for exclusive taste and most PC gamers DON'Thave a great rig that oputs consoles to shame-better probably, but most PC gamers aren't top end and, imo, that's why we aren't getting the games that push the tech quite as often as we did. Valve are lagging on that front and even iD gimped Rage because of the lack of a HDD on all 360's IIRC-as you would put it the tail seems to be wagging the dog.

Then consider the move I fear MS are amking right now-Gears1 appeared with extra content on PC so where's Gears2? Where's Fable2? Etc, etc-amnd I'm not betting ANY money on seeing Alan Wake for PC and certainly won't in it's original planned form as, again, it was cut down for 360 and they won't make it different for PC afterwards beyond higher res or better framerate if they now make it at all. MS want more top of the line exclusives for 360/whatever their next console is as consoles make more on the software these days due to higher prices and lesser amounts of piracy.

I used to game a lot more on my PC than I currently do-for a lot of reasons but mainly because there are just more interesting exclusives to me on PS3 and 360 these days and with so many games I play them where they come out first as I don't have the time to wait around. Also there's the feeling when playing online on PC that it's noot an even playing field as you don't have a clue what tech the other guy has while on console it's more or less the same for evetrryone and I like both that and the comfort of console gaming and the fact every console I've ever owned is more robust than any PC i've had.

Another issue, though, and it's the biggie for me, is the state of the overall gaming community and I'#m seeing it again today. the PC crowd likes to think it's cleverer and more gfrown up than the console crowd and dfinitely you do get more casuals and more kids gaming on consoles but, and it's a big one, there's no need for the attitude. Why do we think console gamers just weren't prepared to stand up for PC gamers over MW2 dedicated servers? It was plainly because they're sick of us PC gamers being arrogant tools towards them-we don't know why anyone games on what they do, do we? If someone can only afford a console do they deserve our scorn? If they aren't tech savvy enough to build or maintain a decent rig themselves do they? Because they're new to gaming, perhaps, do they deserve laughing at for paying more for a game(which, being fair, if you waited til the game released on PC the console version is often cheaper by then anyway having been reduced)? No, no they don't and until we drop all the little things like this we'll continue nbeing shafted by the industry. Obviously I don't think it's only PC fans with the bad attitude-PS360 fanboys are equally appalling and devisive to the larger gaming community.

As for the article-it plainly ignores what PS360 and Wii have done this gen in finding new markets and making devs find new ways of working with multi SPU architechture and existing PC modes too through necessity , strides in 3D gaming and driving the HD revolution into the mainstream. PC gaming loses people nbecause the elitist few taint the platform for a lot of newcomers-and even for me as a veteran PC gamer it gets on my tits and certain games communities can plain eff right off for the attitudes you find there. IF PC gamers are going to be regarded as the wise old owls they like to see themselves as then it's them who need to be proactive over this elitism and also things like piracy as while it's as big as it is there'll be little sympathy from console gamers when you have problems. Seriously, noones better than anyone else even if a decent rig is more powerful than any console and the sooner we get over ourselves(whatever we game on) the sooner we can start getting fair treatment and see the industry move forwards more quickly again-imo, natch.

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Briefcase Joe2907d ago

If this article is terrible, why did you approve it?

Nathan Drake22907d ago

spore,sims,civ are not pc exclusives.wow came out 5 years ago.

tdrules2907d ago

it came out five years ago and still nothing has taken its crown, longevity console games can only dream of.

name a console launch title still being played at the level of WoW

Method2907d ago

Just because many lifeless nerds are addicted to it doesn't make it a good game. WoW is a work simulator, no more, no less.

tdrules2907d ago

dont believe I said it was good.
its successful. deal with it