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Forza gets huge user base boost from Christmas

Turn 10 says that Forza Motorsport 3 saw a huge jump in users during Christmas.

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Wrathman2908d ago

not so flopza anymore.

i bought it yesterday.and for 1,im very impressed with it.and i cant help think that when polyphony got a look at it at last years e3,they went back to gt5 and improved things.which contributed to the extended delay.

Bungie2908d ago

nice to see more people jumping in

Definitive indeed

Major Kanimo2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

nothing but quailty from turn 10

Edit: @thereapersson, i cant say that turn 10 is a good dev?..does my comment hurt your feelings

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DelbertGrady2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

It gotten great review scores to boot, and apparently has an active user base. Or does that not count either?

What criterias do you look at for quality in a game?

thereapersson2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

Yep, you're absolutely correct! Thanks to the prowess of Xbox LIVE's connection strengths, there is virtually no lag in online races. The netcode in this game is rock-solid! ;-)

green2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

The game is a massive success over here in the UK and has remained in the top 10 charts for the past two months while some bigger titles have dropped off the top 20 entirely.

As for the game its self, its really great.The best thing about the game has to be the physics engine which is simply top notch.Another node has to go to the storefront, the user generated content you see over there from tunning setups,photos to decals made by the Forza 3 community is really breathtaking.Never have i played a racing game that is soo driven by the community. Kudos to Turn 10.

mikeslemonade2908d ago

You guys act like it's new that xbox 360 games sell good.

sakura20092908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

a lot of people did rent the game during the holiday season

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Sez 2908d ago

have you been in a ps3 game thread. sonyfanboys always bring up MS or it's games. go look up GT5 time trail glitch. look how many time forza video's are posted or mentioned in that thread. matter of fact go to any thread about a ps3 game. see how many times MS or one of their games be mentioned in that thread.

The Maxx2908d ago

"again, sales =/= quality.

when will you guys learn?"

How about sales + Great reviews? Does that make a quality game?
The question is when will YOU ever learn.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam... (doesn't include Holiday sales yet)

http://www.metacritic.com/g... based on 87 reviews.

thereapersson2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

Yep, to experience true sim action, you need to utilize a driving wheel. Using a controller is nowhere near the intended way that the developers want you to experience their game.

I own a Logitech G25, BTW. Those Amazon gift cards really help bring down the cost...

I suppose you only made those comments because you don't own a racing wheel yourself?

@ Vega75

Your comment history means you have no possible excuse to complain about any trolling or Sony fanboy-related behavior. You are one of the worst 360 fanboys on this site, eager to proclaim "TEH SDF!!!" at any possible moment. Hypocrisy is your strongest attribute.

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boodybandit2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

Sure you can say what ever you want. That is the beauty of the internet and freedom of speech. However it does make you a tad ignorant to say that when you barely touched Forza 2 and you have never played Forza 3.

What is it with people saying butt hurt or did I hurt your feelings with opinions on gaming? Are you people serious? Maybe it is you yourselves that take other peoples opinions far too seriously and are lashing out with ignorant remarks like the one above as a source of retaliation for your own butt hurt feelings?

On topic:
I think Forza 3 is a very nice racer. It offers a lot of value for the price tag and it does a lot of things right but honestly, I'm just nit picking here, there are a lot of little things I wish they did differently. Hopefully Forza 4 will take care of those things.

Right now I am working on solid gold achievement pecking at the event list one race at a time. This is one long game and I got my new wheel (Fanatec 911 S) dialed in perfectly to my liking.

I love Christmas because it always adds new blood to games to play against. MW2 was like noobfest on the 25th. It was so easy to pad stats by tearing up the new players. I almost felt a little dirty / guilty doing so.

I haven't played Forza 3 online much recently (still piecing together my racing pod) so I didn't get a chance to play against the new blood, yet. :) By the time I get my pod set those guys wont be new blood any more :( but I'm working on finishing it right now.

Edit: Anyone that is a big fan of Forza 3 owe it to yourself to purchase a Fanatec 911 S. It is truly an amazing wheel and it adds a whole new dimension to the game that you will never get with a game controller.

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baum2908d ago

Sorry, sales don't dictate quality, and neither do reviews. It's obvious that reviewers get "royalties" from scores when generic games like halo, modern warfare and gears get so many free passes. Quality is subjective

One thing is certain, games on xbox sell because a significant part of its fanbase pays too much attention to review scores and to sales. It's funny because they don't realize that they are producing a self-fullfilling prophecy,I.e. It's good if it sells, therefore they are making it good (in their little minds)

DARK WITNESS2908d ago

^^ lol.... keep telling yourself that...

ABizzel12908d ago

Forza is a good game (check my review out), but let's be real, Forza 3 was on sale during most of it's release as low as $35 on Black Friday, and for $40 almost every other week, so it's going to sell well being $20 off.

IdleLeeSiuLung2908d ago

So was plenty of games! Many of them big games like Assassin's Creed 2 and Dragon Age and many others that despite the sale didn't do to well.

So what is your point?

SilentNegotiator2908d ago

LOL

Anyway, glad to see a good game selling.

u got owned2908d ago

Good to see great games doing well.

bioshock12212908d ago

Yes I agree I seriously think the reason Gran Turismo 5 was delayed was because of Forza 3. I mean remember last year when apparantly GT5 was going to be released in 09 and even the guy who makes gran turismo 5 said it was done and they could release it anytime they want but its up to sony to decide when. But then Forza 3 was announced and they got quiet all of a sudden. So yeah most likely sony got scared of forza 3 and delayed it so they can make it better.

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siyrobbo2908d ago

seems to me that it doesnt mean 1 new sale per second but 1 new user per second, probably people who opened there forza for christmas

ABizzel12908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

My point being that's why they all sold as well as they did. $20 off helped push people who normally would wait for the game, to get it instantly. And MS did this intentionally with almost all of their exclusives ODST, Forza, Left 4 Dead 2 were all $35 - $40 most of November and December along with multiplats. Whether this was a move to garner more 360 console sales or to try and give the gaming industry a boost since numbers were headed for a decline overall this year is unknown, but I'm sure both hold some weight to them.

@ 1.22

That was ignorant. And even if it was true, based off your comment then GT5 will be better than Forza 3, when it comes out. Maybe Turn 10 should have done the same thing and Forza physics would have been perfect.

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The Maxx2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

Several months...discounted to $19.99?

Forza 3 came out at the end of October...thats a couple of months ago not several, and i have yet to see a new copy of Forza 3 for $19.99. Do you have any links that show this? Or are we to take your lies as truth?

Bargin bin...at Toys r Us....Are we talking about Forza 3 or Forza? no link, no proof just your history of biased comments, and we are to take you seriously?

@Maddens Raiders
Just like LBP, Resistance 1 and 2, KZ2, Uncharted 2....broken record. But i guess if you say the same thing for every game, sooner or later you will be right.

How about we not all bring in speculatory sales BS for games not yet released and just focus on the topic at hand which is Turn 10 has now sold over 2 million copies of Forza 3 in only a couple of months. Good job Turn 10 for a genre over saturated with racers.

@ ABizzel1 You mean like these physics? http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

Major_Tom2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

For more than a month when I was working at Toys R Us we had Forza in the bargain bin section because no one bought it at all.

And remember to relax, these are video games, not your dire virginity.

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we won2908d ago

I knew a lot of people purchased this game recently because all of a sudden a ton of people on my friends list started playing Forza 3 all at once.

Again lol at *thereapersson* effort, give it up man.

ReviewsArePolitics2908d ago

"^^ lol.... keep telling yourself that... "

You know, where the offended poster has nothing to say so he attempts to make a witty retort and then fails because he didn't prove anyone wrong.

snp2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

I knew a lot of people purchased this game recently because all of a sudden a ton of people on my friends list started playing Forza 3 all at once.
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Mind you - and this applies to all games on all systems - there's this little thing called 'Christmas Day'. A game that's been sitting in the cupboard wrapped up for 4-6 weeks wasn't necessarily 'just sold recently!' simply because it was 'just opened/registered online'.

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1.11
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam... (doesn't include Holiday sales yet)
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Forza may well have had a nice uptick in sales, but _never_ use Vgchartz to prove a point. They're woefully off more than half the time - as is discussed every time they make a blunder, then promptly forgotten about. Hell, just on this game they've had to 'readjust' their numbers (downwards in this case) numerous times already. I believe when Microsoft was announcing the game had sold '1 million', Vgchartz on numbers still without two weeks extra sales up till Microsofts announcement, had the game at >1.5 million (meaning adding those extra weeks in it's likely they were overestimating by as much as 700-900k).

The Maxx2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

I agree that VG chartz may not be the most accurate but if you can find a better online source to use i would be more than happy to use it.

"Mind you - and this applies to all games on all systems - there's this little thing called 'Christmas Day'. A game that's been sitting in the cupboard wrapped up for 4-6 weeks wasn't necessarily 'just sold recently!' simply because it was 'just opened/registered online'."

Stats show that majority of holiday shoppers don't buy Christmas gifts way before Christmas but are more inclined to do their shopping closer to the actual date. 75% of shoppers say they will do last minute shopping and 32% say that they plan to do all their shopping late. So i don't see too many game purchases done weeks before Christmas like your 4-6 week reference but rather closer to the dates 22nd - 24th.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stor...

snp2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

Stats show that majority of holiday shoppers don't buy Christmas gifts way before Christmas but are more inclined to do their shopping closer to the actual date. 75% of shoppers say they will do last minute shopping and 32% say that they plan to do all their shopping late. So i don't see too many game purchases done weeks before Christmas like your 4-6 week reference but rather closer to the dates 22nd - 24th.

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75% of shoppers say they will do "some" christmas shopping late. (of the "last minute" type). I'll presume leaving that "some" out was an accidental error, as it pretty significantly changes the complexion of that statement. (Hell, i did 'some' Christmas shopping right up until Christmas eve - but my games purchases came in early November when i caught them on sale at good prices).

"32% say that they plan to do all their shopping late." So more than two thirds buy early in other words. How early is anyone's guess. Hell, 'late' isn't even defined in this survey (one week out, two weeks out, one day out?) - it's all pretty vague and subjective (and unnecessary really when there's charts which already trace 'exactly' when Christmas related upturns in sales begin).

My '4-6 weeks' is based on the the time when a noticeable uptick in sales begins (not starts and ends, but begins) - traceable in video games in any number of yearly charts (or dvd sales charts, or any number of others). It's actually fairly conservative; most charts show the increase starting early November. To be sure the three single biggest days, or biggest three day block, may well be 22-24, but suggesting this is the largest part of a couple of months Christmas sales (season) as a whole. Nup, not by a long shot.

Major Kanimo2908d ago

@that random guy who says iv never touch forza iv beating forza 1 fully took me 2 months got to lvl 35 in forza 2 and since i have a job now i have only played forza 3 at friends and the demo i kno turn 10's devoloping skills as i have seen release game after game that i have enjoyed to so dont tell me i dont kno a thing or two about turn 10..

DARK WITNESS2907d ago (Edited 2907d ago )

@ ReviewsArePolitics

your right i really don't have much to say to that because the offending post is based on such a twisted thought process you know the person posting would not be worth arguing with.

I don't need to prove anything with regarding to what he was trying to propose because it's the same twisted logic thats been played over and over and there have been enough arguments against it that if the person truly wanted to see things objectively they would already know how wrong they are. lets just apply the same logic to a different argument.

sales don't = quality, thats right ya, and it must be true... so i guess that means the ps2's high sales means it must have been lacking in quality. Isn't GT one of the biggest selling games ever... but sales don't = quality to i guess forza > GT because...

the only time sales does not = quality is when it's relating to a 360 game or 360 related sales, but since you fanboys are always right then the same principal must apply to all those record breaking ps sales. it must have all been hype and media reviews. the ps brand has not really delivered any quality gaming experience, if it had it would have sold less because less sales = higher quality right ?

The Maxx2907d ago (Edited 2907d ago )

Absolutely great post. +bubbles to you.

Too bad it will fall on deaf ears.

@snp - do you have a source with those stats to support your theory?

snp2907d ago (Edited 2907d ago )

@snp - do you have a source with those stats to support your theory?
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I'm not quite sure what you're after. Something to show month to month sales which demonstrates an upsurge versus 'normal' months starting October/November? - any number of sites will do that. Highdefforums will demonstrate it on DVDs/Blurays (go into the smackdown forum), your own VGChartz for all it's overall misrepresentations will demonstrate a yearly Christmas season (or the NPD, if you want). Any number of sites will show you the Christmas sales season - which constitutes 'months' - year in year out...

I think you're being sincere - you genuinely believe Christmas sales occur only, or overwhelmingly, in the days 22-24th.. That there's nothing statistically abnormal - directly relating to Christmas - about the months November/December overall.

And, i don't mean to be rude, but that really does astound me. I'm not even sure where to start (demonstrating what is called the 'Christmas sales season' is a block of time, and not two or three dates late in December...)

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DelbertGrady2908d ago

The multiplayer options in Forza 3 are awesome!

And the career mode isn't too shabby either :)

CRAIG6672908d ago

tag is well fun aint it!!!

Perjoss2908d ago

I find the cookie cutter career modes in driving games these days very boring, start with a crappy car and do many races to unlock more cars / tracks. I loved Forza 2 and I played it to death, but I dont want to do that all over again. I think test drive unlimited got it right, open world and tons of point to point races, i just dont like race tracks anymore, boring to go round and round.

I cant wait for the new test drive game, hopefully they stick to their guns and make another open world / exploration type game again. The first game had handling issues and the cop chases were kinda weak but hopefully they will improve.

punisher992908d ago

I'm not sure if you even played close attention the the GT academy demo. Because the car used in it, is not the 350z. Its the new 370z, which is ofcourse a different car. And why do people keep talking about the handling in that demo?? That demo is set to "professional" physics, which in the GT world is the hard difficulty level. Normal GT gameplay is "standard".

CRAIG6672908d ago

Its great,i got it for xmas and aint stopped playing it since,much better than the first 2 imo,up to lvl25.

peeps2908d ago

yeh, i like the career a bit more than 2. my only problem is that it seems much much easier than the first 2.

i know i can always not use things like the rewind feature etc but after playing the game for the first time i was gifted several cars 'from turn 10' and can use them in career. problem is it's allowing me to use racing class cars against races involving cars from classes like d and c.

like i say i guess u dont have to use all the aids (and they're there to make it more accessible) but when i don't get rewarded for not using features like rewind, i find it hard not 2 use it when i know it essentially allows me to win every race in career.

green2908d ago

I don't really understand this statement "problem is it's allowing me to use racing class cars against races involving cars from classes like d and c". Are you talking about the carrer mode? Because if you are, then i don't understand how that can be possible when every race is for a particular class. So if the race is for class C, then the annoncer will say "your car is not eligible for this class,.

It will then ask you to either choose another car, remove or add upgrades to make your car eligible. I am in season 6 and never have i been able to use a car from a different class for a race with a predefined class restriction.

As for rewind, there are a few penalties. 7/10 times, your lap time will not get recorded.As for the game being easier, i will agree on certain parts. The unmodified cars are easier to drive because in Forza 2, the physics for unmodified care were completely off. They were basically undriveable which is not true of real life cars. Harder does not mean more realistic.

Now if you want the game to get harder, try playing it with the clutch enabled.

peeps2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

"Are you talking about the carrer mode? Because if you are, then i don't understand how that can be possible when every race is for a particular class."

some races are mid engine etc, and cus of my level, even tho i enter with a racing class all other cars are around the level of cars i should be racing with. the result is accepting an event and lapping cars for easy wins

another race was an audi race where they were nearly all in quatro's and i was in some souped up racing version that i got from the special edition

green2908d ago

Now i understand what you are talking about. I think its because the carrer mode is open unlike previous Forza games that were more scripted and scaled the difficulty the more you progressed. On that note i agree with you.

siyrobbo2908d ago

i completed the game (carrer mode anyways), the best racing game this gen (so far) in my opinion. Theres absolutely bags of replayability

Im going for the solid gold achievement now, sooooo time consuming and yet still so much fun

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hm0uzy2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

definatly i got bored of that game,fells arcade, but that whats happen when u play real sims lol...and i can tell u guys... forza is not even close 2 a sim, car don't fell having weight and beave estrange on replays... what a joke, but is fun...

DelbertGrady2908d ago

I don't think you have played Forza 3, and if you have you are in denial.

I've had the chance to play both Forza 3 and the GT5 Racing Academy demo, and the 350z in Forza feels a lot heavier than the one in GT.
I wasn't impressed at all by the handling in the demo. It's extremely twitchy and made the car feel somewhat like a gocart on ice. It wouldn't be fair to comment on the graphics just yet but I do hope the handling in the demo isn't representative of what's to be found in the full game.

And what's up with the music, seriously? :)

green2908d ago

- Traction contol
- Auto brake
- ABS
- Stability management control
Change it from automatic to manual with clutch. Play the game like this then come back and tell us if the handling felt arcadey.

GameOn2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

Firstly, don't listen to the closet troll above. Check out his past comments lol.

Secondly, InsideSimRacing reviewed this game very highly, It's up there with the best PC racing sims such as hm0uzy mentioned above.

NewZealander2908d ago

my brother is a GT fan and he was looking forward to GT5, he said he will buy a ps3 when GT5 comes out, he lives with my mum and she has a xbox360, she bought him forza 3 for xmas knowing he likes car raceing games as he is a petrol head through and through, after playing froza he found him self loveing the game, anyhow he and my mother came and had xmas with me , I live in a diff city, I have a ps3 and he saw I had the demo of GT5 so he wanted to play it, now after he played it and after him playing forza 3 well guess what, he is moveing to a flat after xmas and buying himself him self A new console and it will be so he can play his new forza game as he was not impressed with what he saw in the GT5 demo, first thing he said was whats with the 2d ppl in the crowed, forza 3 ppl r 3d, and whats with the arcade sounding music?? this made me laugh as my brother is or was a sony/GT fan through and through, my mum changed him lol just from buying him forza 3, so if you r a car fan and not a console fan you will know what game or console to get to play forza 3.

GameOn2908d ago

And he lived happily ever after. :)

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DARK WITNESS2908d ago

^^^ Ouch !! someone sounds deeply hurt on a personal level. do you need a tissue or something ?

Maybe his brother should take his purchase back to the shop because some butt hurt fanboy on the internet called him a dumbass..

taylork372908d ago

@ Baum

So the publishers of GT5 put out a demo a few months before the release and in no way is if reflective of the real game.... You're in a dream world.
So either the publishers are idiots and pump out a 200 MB demo that is complete sh*t and not related to the real game, or the demo is really part of the game, and some of it just looks like crap.

You choose.

Until then, don't get pissed off because someone actually played a demo and took it for what it is usually worth....A SAMPLE OF THE GAME.

rekonizakilla2908d ago

Forza is a good game. I don't own a 360 myself but my brother does and having played it, I like it. GT accademy has worst graphics than prologue, so don't let it put you off next year.
There is no denying that both games handle very differntly so I guess it comes down to choice.

DevastationEve2908d ago

I think it's a right slap in the face to have a game so long in development as GT 5 and yet only be able to show off 200MB of it in the demo. And on top of that they released so called "prologue versions" of their games and charged you for it every time.

Polyfony = shamelessly milking their "perceived" superiority. At least Turn 10 had to fight hard for the rep they've been able to acquire, and they did it TWICE while GT 5 hasn't even left the garage.

ReviewsArePolitics2908d ago

"I think it's a right slap in the face to have a game so long in development as GT 5 and yet only be able to show off 200MB of it in the demo."

Slap in the face? The only ones saying it's a "slap in the face" are 360 fanboys (no surpise here). I don't blame them though, after the "slap in the face" that was Forza 3, they better keep through fits and try to amortize the hype behind Gran Turismo 5 just to save face.

DevastationEve2908d ago

Well sure, it was an overstatement. But you'd think that at least the prologues would've been free, since it's all essentially just beta testing so that they can make GT 5 better.

So it's gotta be that the demo IS indicative of the final product's quality...and anyone that disagrees with that I'd have to ask then W H E N are we going to S E E that quality? When it finally releases??

*most demos are 99.9% accurate of what the final game will be, very few changes will made after the demo. and of course anything you can't play in the demo can be changed anyway.

*Sonic Unleashed demo weighs only 186 MB and it's H U G E.

*compression was used a lot more for demos due to CD space and 56k internet, but not so much anymore. so usually the detail you see in the demo will be what you see in the final game (not always).

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